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Recovery disc re-instal: can't get past W98 logon (repost)
Below is the copy of the response to this problem from a month ago!
I've tried both solutions but still no success. This is an all usb pc...does that help? Any further assistance would be great. Tks. And, should Noel's correct solution not work for some reason, try a work around by assigning a blank password in safe mode: Blank Password: Go to control panel, network, primary network logon and select Windows Logon. Go to control panel, passwords, user profiles and ensure the "all user's" box is marked. If you have a password established, go to control panel, passwords, change windows password, type the password in the old box, leave the rest blank and OK your way out. If you have forgotten your password, delete the .pwl file with your user name (mine is ron.pwl); however, be aware that you will lose all passwords stored in the ...pwl file. If you do not have a password established or have deleted the ...pwl file, when the W95/98 logon screen appears at boot, type a user name only and hit OK. If the logon screen continues to appear and you have Tweak UI installed, go to the Paranoia tab and remove the mark from "clear last user." -- Regards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "Noel Paton" wrote in message ... Boot to Safe Mode Open Device Manager Remove ALL Keyboard and Mouse entries Remove ALL entries in the 'Other Devices' Branch (if present) Remove ALL error-flagged entries Boot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall the drivers, hopefully curing your problem -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Bryan P" Bryan wrote in message news Gateway Neo recovery disks used to re-install W98SE. No problems with setup. When it gets to the password window after the instal I have no mouse or keybd control. It will boot in Safe Mode OK. Keybd and mouse control all OK. So if I can have help in bypassing the Passwd window or some other fix, that would be great. Tks in anticipation. |
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Recovery disc re-instal: can't get past W98 logon (repost)
What is the setting for legacy keyboard support in BIOS setup?
http://support.intel.com/support/per.../cs-011939.htm -- Jeff Richards MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) "Bryan P" wrote in message ... Below is the copy of the response to this problem from a month ago! I've tried both solutions but still no success. This is an all usb pc...does that help? Any further assistance would be great. Tks. And, should Noel's correct solution not work for some reason, try a work around by assigning a blank password in safe mode: Blank Password: Go to control panel, network, primary network logon and select Windows Logon. Go to control panel, passwords, user profiles and ensure the "all user's" box is marked. If you have a password established, go to control panel, passwords, change windows password, type the password in the old box, leave the rest blank and OK your way out. If you have forgotten your password, delete the .pwl file with your user name (mine is ron.pwl); however, be aware that you will lose all passwords stored in the ..pwl file. If you do not have a password established or have deleted the ..pwl file, when the W95/98 logon screen appears at boot, type a user name only and hit OK. If the logon screen continues to appear and you have Tweak UI installed, go to the Paranoia tab and remove the mark from "clear last user." -- Regards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "Noel Paton" wrote in message ... Boot to Safe Mode Open Device Manager Remove ALL Keyboard and Mouse entries Remove ALL entries in the 'Other Devices' Branch (if present) Remove ALL error-flagged entries Boot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall the drivers, hopefully curing your problem -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Bryan P" Bryan wrote in message news Gateway Neo recovery disks used to re-install W98SE. No problems with setup. When it gets to the password window after the instal I have no mouse or keybd control. It will boot in Safe Mode OK. Keybd and mouse control all OK. So if I can have help in bypassing the Passwd window or some other fix, that would be great. Tks in anticipation. |
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Recovery disc re-instal: can't get past W98 logon (repost)
Jeff
Since the user has mouse/KBD access before logon, the USB must be switched on - and Legacy only affects DOS/BIOS USB control, not Windows. -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Jeff Richards" wrote in message ... What is the setting for legacy keyboard support in BIOS setup? http://support.intel.com/support/per.../cs-011939.htm -- Jeff Richards MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) "Bryan P" wrote in message ... Below is the copy of the response to this problem from a month ago! I've tried both solutions but still no success. This is an all usb pc...does that help? Any further assistance would be great. Tks. And, should Noel's correct solution not work for some reason, try a work around by assigning a blank password in safe mode: Blank Password: Go to control panel, network, primary network logon and select Windows Logon. Go to control panel, passwords, user profiles and ensure the "all user's" box is marked. If you have a password established, go to control panel, passwords, change windows password, type the password in the old box, leave the rest blank and OK your way out. If you have forgotten your password, delete the .pwl file with your user name (mine is ron.pwl); however, be aware that you will lose all passwords stored in the ..pwl file. If you do not have a password established or have deleted the ..pwl file, when the W95/98 logon screen appears at boot, type a user name only and hit OK. If the logon screen continues to appear and you have Tweak UI installed, go to the Paranoia tab and remove the mark from "clear last user." -- Regards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "Noel Paton" wrote in message ... Boot to Safe Mode Open Device Manager Remove ALL Keyboard and Mouse entries Remove ALL entries in the 'Other Devices' Branch (if present) Remove ALL error-flagged entries Boot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall the drivers, hopefully curing your problem -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Bryan P" Bryan wrote in message news Gateway Neo recovery disks used to re-install W98SE. No problems with setup. When it gets to the password window after the instal I have no mouse or keybd control. It will boot in Safe Mode OK. Keybd and mouse control all OK. So if I can have help in bypassing the Passwd window or some other fix, that would be great. Tks in anticipation. |
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Recovery disc re-instal: can't get past W98 logon (repost)
We are all assuming that OP had legacy support enabled for the install. We
do not know whether or not the user has retained the legacy setting for the boot. If not, and if Windows is assuming that the keyboard is configured as it was for the install, then the boot will fail. -- Jeff Richards MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) "Noel Paton" wrote in message ... Jeff Since the user has mouse/KBD access before logon, the USB must be switched on - and Legacy only affects DOS/BIOS USB control, not Windows. -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Jeff Richards" wrote in message ... What is the setting for legacy keyboard support in BIOS setup? http://support.intel.com/support/per.../cs-011939.htm -- Jeff Richards MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) "Bryan P" wrote in message ... Below is the copy of the response to this problem from a month ago! I've tried both solutions but still no success. This is an all usb pc...does that help? Any further assistance would be great. Tks. And, should Noel's correct solution not work for some reason, try a work around by assigning a blank password in safe mode: Blank Password: Go to control panel, network, primary network logon and select Windows Logon. Go to control panel, passwords, user profiles and ensure the "all user's" box is marked. If you have a password established, go to control panel, passwords, change windows password, type the password in the old box, leave the rest blank and OK your way out. If you have forgotten your password, delete the .pwl file with your user name (mine is ron.pwl); however, be aware that you will lose all passwords stored in the ..pwl file. If you do not have a password established or have deleted the ..pwl file, when the W95/98 logon screen appears at boot, type a user name only and hit OK. If the logon screen continues to appear and you have Tweak UI installed, go to the Paranoia tab and remove the mark from "clear last user." -- Regards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "Noel Paton" wrote in message ... Boot to Safe Mode Open Device Manager Remove ALL Keyboard and Mouse entries Remove ALL entries in the 'Other Devices' Branch (if present) Remove ALL error-flagged entries Boot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall the drivers, hopefully curing your problem -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Bryan P" Bryan wrote in message news Gateway Neo recovery disks used to re-install W98SE. No problems with setup. When it gets to the password window after the instal I have no mouse or keybd control. It will boot in Safe Mode OK. Keybd and mouse control all OK. So if I can have help in bypassing the Passwd window or some other fix, that would be great. Tks in anticipation. |
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Recovery disc re-instal: can't get past W98 logon (repost)
No it won't - USB is detected and drivers are loaded in the default
configuration, and as such are not dependent on the Legacy settings - besides which he's uninstalled/reinstalled the mouse and keyboard in this configuration. -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Jeff Richards" wrote in message ... We are all assuming that OP had legacy support enabled for the install. We do not know whether or not the user has retained the legacy setting for the boot. If not, and if Windows is assuming that the keyboard is configured as it was for the install, then the boot will fail. -- Jeff Richards MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) "Noel Paton" wrote in message ... Jeff Since the user has mouse/KBD access before logon, the USB must be switched on - and Legacy only affects DOS/BIOS USB control, not Windows. -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Jeff Richards" wrote in message ... What is the setting for legacy keyboard support in BIOS setup? http://support.intel.com/support/per.../cs-011939.htm -- Jeff Richards MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) "Bryan P" wrote in message ... Below is the copy of the response to this problem from a month ago! I've tried both solutions but still no success. This is an all usb pc...does that help? Any further assistance would be great. Tks. And, should Noel's correct solution not work for some reason, try a work around by assigning a blank password in safe mode: Blank Password: Go to control panel, network, primary network logon and select Windows Logon. Go to control panel, passwords, user profiles and ensure the "all user's" box is marked. If you have a password established, go to control panel, passwords, change windows password, type the password in the old box, leave the rest blank and OK your way out. If you have forgotten your password, delete the .pwl file with your user name (mine is ron.pwl); however, be aware that you will lose all passwords stored in the ..pwl file. If you do not have a password established or have deleted the ..pwl file, when the W95/98 logon screen appears at boot, type a user name only and hit OK. If the logon screen continues to appear and you have Tweak UI installed, go to the Paranoia tab and remove the mark from "clear last user." -- Regards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "Noel Paton" wrote in message ... Boot to Safe Mode Open Device Manager Remove ALL Keyboard and Mouse entries Remove ALL entries in the 'Other Devices' Branch (if present) Remove ALL error-flagged entries Boot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall the drivers, hopefully curing your problem -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Bryan P" Bryan wrote in message news Gateway Neo recovery disks used to re-install W98SE. No problems with setup. When it gets to the password window after the instal I have no mouse or keybd control. It will boot in Safe Mode OK. Keybd and mouse control all OK. So if I can have help in bypassing the Passwd window or some other fix, that would be great. Tks in anticipation. |
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Recovery disc re-instal: can't get past W98 logon (repost)
I've read your responses. Tks. I haven't checked BIOS yet (it's a neighbour's
PC), but reading the Intel link provided by Jeff, I can do all the things it says may not work if there is a legacy prob. Also even though I've removed all refs to keyboard and mouse in device manager (in safe mode) I've still got control if I boot in safe mode again, and of course I can't re-install that hardware in safe mode. And also re-installing from scratch with the recovery disk still gives the same problem. But I will check that legacy is enabled in BIOS. "Noel Paton" wrote: No it won't - USB is detected and drivers are loaded in the default configuration, and as such are not dependent on the Legacy settings - besides which he's uninstalled/reinstalled the mouse and keyboard in this configuration. -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Jeff Richards" wrote in message ... We are all assuming that OP had legacy support enabled for the install. We do not know whether or not the user has retained the legacy setting for the boot. If not, and if Windows is assuming that the keyboard is configured as it was for the install, then the boot will fail. -- Jeff Richards MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) "Noel Paton" wrote in message ... Jeff Since the user has mouse/KBD access before logon, the USB must be switched on - and Legacy only affects DOS/BIOS USB control, not Windows. -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Jeff Richards" wrote in message ... What is the setting for legacy keyboard support in BIOS setup? http://support.intel.com/support/per.../cs-011939.htm -- Jeff Richards MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) "Bryan P" wrote in message ... Below is the copy of the response to this problem from a month ago! I've tried both solutions but still no success. This is an all usb pc...does that help? Any further assistance would be great. Tks. And, should Noel's correct solution not work for some reason, try a work around by assigning a blank password in safe mode: Blank Password: Go to control panel, network, primary network logon and select Windows Logon. Go to control panel, passwords, user profiles and ensure the "all user's" box is marked. If you have a password established, go to control panel, passwords, change windows password, type the password in the old box, leave the rest blank and OK your way out. If you have forgotten your password, delete the .pwl file with your user name (mine is ron.pwl); however, be aware that you will lose all passwords stored in the ..pwl file. If you do not have a password established or have deleted the ..pwl file, when the W95/98 logon screen appears at boot, type a user name only and hit OK. If the logon screen continues to appear and you have Tweak UI installed, go to the Paranoia tab and remove the mark from "clear last user." -- Regards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "Noel Paton" wrote in message ... Boot to Safe Mode Open Device Manager Remove ALL Keyboard and Mouse entries Remove ALL entries in the 'Other Devices' Branch (if present) Remove ALL error-flagged entries Boot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall the drivers, hopefully curing your problem -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Bryan P" Bryan wrote in message news Gateway Neo recovery disks used to re-install W98SE. No problems with setup. When it gets to the password window after the instal I have no mouse or keybd control. It will boot in Safe Mode OK. Keybd and mouse control all OK. So if I can have help in bypassing the Passwd window or some other fix, that would be great. Tks in anticipation. |
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Recovery disc re-instal: can't get past W98 logon (repost)
If you have run through the Intel tests then I would agree it's not likely a
legacy support issue. Do you know that USB is working on this machine? Is USB getting loaded in safe mode, and can you test it? -- Jeff Richards MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) "Bryan P" wrote in message ... I've read your responses. Tks. I haven't checked BIOS yet (it's a neighbour's PC), but reading the Intel link provided by Jeff, I can do all the things it says may not work if there is a legacy prob. Also even though I've removed all refs to keyboard and mouse in device manager (in safe mode) I've still got control if I boot in safe mode again, and of course I can't re-install that hardware in safe mode. And also re-installing from scratch with the recovery disk still gives the same problem. But I will check that legacy is enabled in BIOS. |
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Recovery disc re-instal: can't get past W98 logon (repost)
You have two assumptions - USB is getting detected properly, and USB drivers
are loading properly. -- Jeff Richards MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) "Noel Paton" wrote in message ... No it won't - USB is detected and drivers are loaded in the default configuration, and as such are not dependent on the Legacy settings - besides which he's uninstalled/reinstalled the mouse and keyboard in this configuration. |
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Recovery disc re-instal: can't get past W98 logon (repost)
Jeff -
THE KEYBOARD AND MOUSE BOTH WORK IN SAFE MODE!!! therefore the USB works - but there is some factor inhibiting its effective use in normal mode. Please read what the poster has written, rather than attempting to support incorrect assumptions -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Jeff Richards" wrote in message ... You have two assumptions - USB is getting detected properly, and USB drivers are loading properly. -- Jeff Richards MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) "Noel Paton" wrote in message ... No it won't - USB is detected and drivers are loaded in the default configuration, and as such are not dependent on the Legacy settings - besides which he's uninstalled/reinstalled the mouse and keyboard in this configuration. |
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Recovery disc re-instal: can't get past W98 logon (repost)
I can only think that the driver files themselves have been corrupted, and
that you need to force a new driver set into the system. I suggest that you download updated drivers from the manufacturer's website, and install them (hopefully, you'll be able to do so while in Safe Mode), and then reboot. to normal mode where the system should detect the updated drivers and fix itself - if not, then reboot to safe mode, and remove the devices as before, and reboot again. -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Bryan P" wrote in message ... I've read your responses. Tks. I haven't checked BIOS yet (it's a neighbour's PC), but reading the Intel link provided by Jeff, I can do all the things it says may not work if there is a legacy prob. Also even though I've removed all refs to keyboard and mouse in device manager (in safe mode) I've still got control if I boot in safe mode again, and of course I can't re-install that hardware in safe mode. And also re-installing from scratch with the recovery disk still gives the same problem. But I will check that legacy is enabled in BIOS. "Noel Paton" wrote: No it won't - USB is detected and drivers are loaded in the default configuration, and as such are not dependent on the Legacy settings - besides which he's uninstalled/reinstalled the mouse and keyboard in this configuration. -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Jeff Richards" wrote in message ... We are all assuming that OP had legacy support enabled for the install. We do not know whether or not the user has retained the legacy setting for the boot. If not, and if Windows is assuming that the keyboard is configured as it was for the install, then the boot will fail. -- Jeff Richards MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) "Noel Paton" wrote in message ... Jeff Since the user has mouse/KBD access before logon, the USB must be switched on - and Legacy only affects DOS/BIOS USB control, not Windows. -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Jeff Richards" wrote in message ... What is the setting for legacy keyboard support in BIOS setup? http://support.intel.com/support/per.../cs-011939.htm -- Jeff Richards MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) "Bryan P" wrote in message ... Below is the copy of the response to this problem from a month ago! I've tried both solutions but still no success. This is an all usb pc...does that help? Any further assistance would be great. Tks. And, should Noel's correct solution not work for some reason, try a work around by assigning a blank password in safe mode: Blank Password: Go to control panel, network, primary network logon and select Windows Logon. Go to control panel, passwords, user profiles and ensure the "all user's" box is marked. If you have a password established, go to control panel, passwords, change windows password, type the password in the old box, leave the rest blank and OK your way out. If you have forgotten your password, delete the .pwl file with your user name (mine is ron.pwl); however, be aware that you will lose all passwords stored in the ..pwl file. If you do not have a password established or have deleted the ..pwl file, when the W95/98 logon screen appears at boot, type a user name only and hit OK. If the logon screen continues to appear and you have Tweak UI installed, go to the Paranoia tab and remove the mark from "clear last user." -- Regards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "Noel Paton" wrote in message ... Boot to Safe Mode Open Device Manager Remove ALL Keyboard and Mouse entries Remove ALL entries in the 'Other Devices' Branch (if present) Remove ALL error-flagged entries Boot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall the drivers, hopefully curing your problem -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Bryan P" Bryan wrote in message news Gateway Neo recovery disks used to re-install W98SE. No problems with setup. When it gets to the password window after the instal I have no mouse or keybd control. It will boot in Safe Mode OK. Keybd and mouse control all OK. So if I can have help in bypassing the Passwd window or some other fix, that would be great. Tks in anticipation. |
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