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  #1  
Old April 30th 06, 08:38 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Default PCR-- need ref to your update list

Sorry to ask you to trot it out again, but could you give me the ref to the
post with your 98 update list? I thought I'd saved it but can't find it in
my computer mare's nest.

While we're on the subject, I'd swear I had the box checked on the WUp
personal prefs to give me the catalog option, but it won't, doesn't, and I
can't make it do it. Any ideas? Not that it's a big problem, since I have
that bookmarked. But, I've also noticed that, on that page, searching for
updates for W98 doesn't bring up anything any more recent than 856358,
6/13/05 and 'System Admin. Scripting Guide Scripts', 1/4/05. A few (3 or
so?) are from 2004, and the rest are all much older. I know that sometime
late last year it became necessary to use WUp to get the files, but surely
there should be more there than that? If it's of any use to you, I'll post
my list of updates.

Thanks,
Joe


  #2  
Old April 30th 06, 03:08 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Default PCR-- need ref to your update list

jt3 wrote:
Sorry to ask you to trot it out again, but could you give me the ref to
the post with your 98 update list? I thought I'd saved it but can't
find it in my computer mare's nest.

While we're on the subject, I'd swear I had the box checked on the WUp
personal prefs to give me the catalog option, but it won't, doesn't, and
I can't make it do it. Any ideas? Not that it's a big problem, since I



Be sure you have the site in your trusted zone and/or give it Scripts,
ActiveX, etc.. otherwise it won't show up.

Actually, along with giving cookies permission, I also just click a reg I
made to do it:

REGEDIT4

[HKEY_USERS\.DEFAULT\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Cur rentVersion\Internet
Settings\Zones\3]
"1001"=dword:00000000
"1200"=dword:00000000
"1400"=dword:00000000
"1402"=dword:00000000
"1405"=dword:00000000
"1407"=dword:00000000
"1606"=dword:00000000
"1609"=dword:00000000

..and then reverse it back to secure when done

REGEDIT4

[HKEY_USERS\.DEFAULT\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Cur rentVersion\Internet
Settings\Zones\3]
"1001"=dword:00000003
"1200"=dword:00000003
"1400"=dword:00000003
"1402"=dword:00000003
"1405"=dword:00000003
"1407"=dword:00000003
"1606"=dword:00000003
"1609"=dword:00000001

...but of course your secure settings, and/or original settings, may be
different than mine from the get go.

Rick

have that bookmarked. But, I've also noticed that, on that page,
searching for updates for W98 doesn't bring up anything any more recent
than 856358, 6/13/05 and 'System Admin. Scripting Guide Scripts',
1/4/05. A few (3 or so?) are from 2004, and the rest are all much
older. I know that sometime late last year it became necessary to use
WUp to get the files, but surely there should be more there than that?
If it's of any use to you, I'll post my list of updates.

Thanks,
Joe





  #3  
Old April 30th 06, 07:17 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Default PCR-- need ref to your update list

Below is what I usually post for that. The Corporate site does have less
than the 78 critical updates offered at the Catalog. Some of the 78 are
duplicates per IE version, though-- & can it be they haven't removed
some that became superceded? Anyhow, that could be a small problem
concerning ones already taken. But I'm sure the successor can handle it!
(One thing: Don't be tempted to take driver updates from Windows
Update!. They are poison! Get them from your manufacturer instead!)

There's a mess of regular criticals, both at the Corporate site
http://www.microsoft.com/windows98/d.../corporate.asp

& at...
http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.co...en/default.asp
...., which also can be got by...
(1) "START button, Windows Update".
(2) Click "Personalize..." in left pane & then check "Display the
link..." in right pane.
(3) Click "Windows Update Catalog" in left pane, which is now under "See
Also". (Perhaps you need to leave & re-enter the site to see it.)
(4) Click "Find Updates..." in right pane.
(5) Select OS in window & click "Search".
(6) Select "Critical Updates...", & be patient for them to show up in
the bottom window. Maybe play with the little SortBy box.

You must decide which apply to your computer, when you take them that
way. And the literature may not be perfectly clear about it. Perhaps, if
you've done it once letting the site decide, you may now...

"START, Find, F/F, 'Windows Update.log'". (Use double quotes around that
name.) Click it for a possible clue inside. Otherwise...

Here is all that-- first Compaq-- then Windows Update has
deemed appropriate for this Win98SE.

(A) At IE6, Help, About...
SP1, Q313829, Q328970, Q328389, Q324929, Q810847, Q813951, Q816506,
Q813489, Q330994, Q818529, Q822925, Q828750, Q824145, Q832894,
Q837009, Q831167, Q823353, Q867801, Q833989, Q834707, Q889293, Q867282,
Q891781, Q890923, Q883939, Q896688, Q905915, & Q912812.

NOTE: MS does not update IE's About box to remove mention of updates
that subsequently were superceded. See Add/Remove (below) for that. IOW,
it doesn't delete them from...
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Internet
Settings]
"MinorVersion"=";SP1;q313829;Q328970;Q328389;Q3249 29;Q810847;Q813951;
Q816506;Q813489;Q330994;Q818529;Q822925;Q828750;Q8 24145;Q832894;
Q837009;Q831167;Q823353;Q867801;Q833989;Q834707;Q8 89293;Q867282;
Q891781;Q890923;Q883939;Q896688;Q905915;Q912812;"

(B) At "START, Run, MSInfo32, Software Environment, Software Updates",
or at "START, RUN, QFECheck"..:

Windows 98 Second Edition=4,10,0,2222
Updates=Year 2000 Update for Windows 98b
SP2: Windows 98 Second Edition USBHUB
W98: KB891711, KB896358, KB908519, Q245729, Q274113, Q314147,
Q323172, Q323255, Q329115, Q811630, Q840315, Q888113, &
Q890175.
W98SE: Q823559, Q245272, Q256015, Q259728, Q260067, Q273017, Q273991
Win98SE: Q249973, Q238453, Q239887, UHCD
Windows 98 Second Edition Digital Video
Windows 98 TELNET

(C) At "Control Panel, Add/Remove Programs, Install/Uninstall tab":

(1) 128 bit encryption support for Dial-up Networking
(2) Internet Explorer Q912812
(was Q905915, Q896688, Q883939, Q890923, Q891781, Q889293,
Q834707, Q867801, Q831167, Q832894, Q824145, Q828750,
Q822925, Q818529)
(3) Internet Explorer Q903235 (was Q883939).
*Well, later I uninstalled this one.
(4) Microsoft Data Access Components KB870669
(5) Microsoft Internet Explorer 5 Web Accessories
(6) Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 SP1 and Internet Tools
(7) Microsoft Internet Print Services
(8) Microsoft Outlook Express 6
(9) Microsoft VGX Q833989
(10) MSN Messenger 4.5
(11) NetMeeting 3.01
(12) Outlook Express Q823353 (was Q837009, Q330994)
(13) Windows 98 KB891711 Update
(14) Windows 98 KB896358 Update
(15) Windows 98 KB908519 Update
(16) Windows 98 Q823559 Update
(17) Windows 98 Q840315 Update
(18) Windows 98 Q888113 Update
(19) Windows 98 Q890175 Update
(20) Windows 98 Second Edition Digital Video Update
(21) Windows Media Player system update (9 series)


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"jt3" wrote in message
...
| Sorry to ask you to trot it out again, but could you give me the ref
to the
| post with your 98 update list? I thought I'd saved it but can't find
it in
| my computer mare's nest.
|
| While we're on the subject, I'd swear I had the box checked on the WUp
| personal prefs to give me the catalog option, but it won't, doesn't,
and I
| can't make it do it. Any ideas? Not that it's a big problem, since I
have
| that bookmarked. But, I've also noticed that, on that page, searching
for
| updates for W98 doesn't bring up anything any more recent than 856358,
| 6/13/05 and 'System Admin. Scripting Guide Scripts', 1/4/05. A few (3
or
| so?) are from 2004, and the rest are all much older. I know that
sometime
| late last year it became necessary to use WUp to get the files, but
surely
| there should be more there than that? If it's of any use to you, I'll
post
| my list of updates.
|
| Thanks,
| Joe
|
|


  #4  
Old April 30th 06, 08:06 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Default PCR-- need ref to your update list

Thanks, PCR. That'll keep me occupied for a while, sorting and
cross-checking. I'll post back, should I find anything of interest, or, say,
'curious yellow'. Used to use a product for pulling wires through conduits
we called that. Of course, the original dates me a bit, though I never
actually saw the movie, just heard lots of talk about it.

J.
"PCR" wrote in message
...
Below is what I usually post for that. The Corporate site does have less
than the 78 critical updates offered at the Catalog. Some of the 78 are
duplicates per IE version, though-- & can it be they haven't removed
some that became superceded? Anyhow, that could be a small problem
concerning ones already taken. But I'm sure the successor can handle it!
(One thing: Don't be tempted to take driver updates from Windows
Update!. They are poison! Get them from your manufacturer instead!)

There's a mess of regular criticals, both at the Corporate site
http://www.microsoft.com/windows98/d.../corporate.asp

& at...
http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.co...en/default.asp
..., which also can be got by...
(1) "START button, Windows Update".
(2) Click "Personalize..." in left pane & then check "Display the
link..." in right pane.
(3) Click "Windows Update Catalog" in left pane, which is now under "See
Also". (Perhaps you need to leave & re-enter the site to see it.)
(4) Click "Find Updates..." in right pane.
(5) Select OS in window & click "Search".
(6) Select "Critical Updates...", & be patient for them to show up in
the bottom window. Maybe play with the little SortBy box.

You must decide which apply to your computer, when you take them that
way. And the literature may not be perfectly clear about it. Perhaps, if
you've done it once letting the site decide, you may now...

"START, Find, F/F, 'Windows Update.log'". (Use double quotes around that
name.) Click it for a possible clue inside. Otherwise...

Here is all that-- first Compaq-- then Windows Update has
deemed appropriate for this Win98SE.

(A) At IE6, Help, About...
SP1, Q313829, Q328970, Q328389, Q324929, Q810847, Q813951, Q816506,
Q813489, Q330994, Q818529, Q822925, Q828750, Q824145, Q832894,
Q837009, Q831167, Q823353, Q867801, Q833989, Q834707, Q889293, Q867282,
Q891781, Q890923, Q883939, Q896688, Q905915, & Q912812.

NOTE: MS does not update IE's About box to remove mention of updates
that subsequently were superceded. See Add/Remove (below) for that. IOW,
it doesn't delete them from...
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Internet
Settings]
"MinorVersion"=";SP1;q313829;Q328970;Q328389;Q3249 29;Q810847;Q813951;
Q816506;Q813489;Q330994;Q818529;Q822925;Q828750;Q8 24145;Q832894;
Q837009;Q831167;Q823353;Q867801;Q833989;Q834707;Q8 89293;Q867282;
Q891781;Q890923;Q883939;Q896688;Q905915;Q912812;"

(B) At "START, Run, MSInfo32, Software Environment, Software Updates",
or at "START, RUN, QFECheck"..:

Windows 98 Second Edition=4,10,0,2222
Updates=Year 2000 Update for Windows 98b
SP2: Windows 98 Second Edition USBHUB
W98: KB891711, KB896358, KB908519, Q245729, Q274113, Q314147,
Q323172, Q323255, Q329115, Q811630, Q840315, Q888113, &
Q890175.
W98SE: Q823559, Q245272, Q256015, Q259728, Q260067, Q273017, Q273991
Win98SE: Q249973, Q238453, Q239887, UHCD
Windows 98 Second Edition Digital Video
Windows 98 TELNET

(C) At "Control Panel, Add/Remove Programs, Install/Uninstall tab":

(1) 128 bit encryption support for Dial-up Networking
(2) Internet Explorer Q912812
(was Q905915, Q896688, Q883939, Q890923, Q891781, Q889293,
Q834707, Q867801, Q831167, Q832894, Q824145, Q828750,
Q822925, Q818529)
(3) Internet Explorer Q903235 (was Q883939).
*Well, later I uninstalled this one.
(4) Microsoft Data Access Components KB870669
(5) Microsoft Internet Explorer 5 Web Accessories
(6) Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 SP1 and Internet Tools
(7) Microsoft Internet Print Services
(8) Microsoft Outlook Express 6
(9) Microsoft VGX Q833989
(10) MSN Messenger 4.5
(11) NetMeeting 3.01
(12) Outlook Express Q823353 (was Q837009, Q330994)
(13) Windows 98 KB891711 Update
(14) Windows 98 KB896358 Update
(15) Windows 98 KB908519 Update
(16) Windows 98 Q823559 Update
(17) Windows 98 Q840315 Update
(18) Windows 98 Q888113 Update
(19) Windows 98 Q890175 Update
(20) Windows 98 Second Edition Digital Video Update
(21) Windows Media Player system update (9 series)


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"jt3" wrote in message
...
| Sorry to ask you to trot it out again, but could you give me the ref
to the
| post with your 98 update list? I thought I'd saved it but can't find
it in
| my computer mare's nest.
|
| While we're on the subject, I'd swear I had the box checked on the WUp
| personal prefs to give me the catalog option, but it won't, doesn't,
and I
| can't make it do it. Any ideas? Not that it's a big problem, since I
have
| that bookmarked. But, I've also noticed that, on that page, searching
for
| updates for W98 doesn't bring up anything any more recent than 856358,
| 6/13/05 and 'System Admin. Scripting Guide Scripts', 1/4/05. A few (3
or
| so?) are from 2004, and the rest are all much older. I know that
sometime
| late last year it became necessary to use WUp to get the files, but
surely
| there should be more there than that? If it's of any use to you, I'll
post
| my list of updates.
|
| Thanks,
| Joe
|
|




  #5  
Old April 30th 06, 08:09 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Default PCR-- need ref to your update list

Thanks, Rick. I'll check to see what happens if I enable scripts, ActiveX,
etc., rather than just have them ask. I've gotten the impression that there
must be a timing factor involved when you have the 'Ask' option
involved--some sites work OK, some don't, and I should have thought of that.
I like your idea of the reg file, and will give that a try.

Thanks, again,
Joe
"Rick Chauvin" wrote in message
...
jt3 wrote:
Sorry to ask you to trot it out again, but could you give me the ref to
the post with your 98 update list? I thought I'd saved it but can't
find it in my computer mare's nest.

While we're on the subject, I'd swear I had the box checked on the WUp
personal prefs to give me the catalog option, but it won't, doesn't, and
I can't make it do it. Any ideas? Not that it's a big problem, since I



Be sure you have the site in your trusted zone and/or give it Scripts,
ActiveX, etc.. otherwise it won't show up.

Actually, along with giving cookies permission, I also just click a reg I
made to do it:

REGEDIT4

[HKEY_USERS\.DEFAULT\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Cur rentVersion\Internet
Settings\Zones\3]
"1001"=dword:00000000
"1200"=dword:00000000
"1400"=dword:00000000
"1402"=dword:00000000
"1405"=dword:00000000
"1407"=dword:00000000
"1606"=dword:00000000
"1609"=dword:00000000

..and then reverse it back to secure when done

REGEDIT4

[HKEY_USERS\.DEFAULT\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Cur rentVersion\Internet
Settings\Zones\3]
"1001"=dword:00000003
"1200"=dword:00000003
"1400"=dword:00000003
"1402"=dword:00000003
"1405"=dword:00000003
"1407"=dword:00000003
"1606"=dword:00000003
"1609"=dword:00000001

..but of course your secure settings, and/or original settings, may be
different than mine from the get go.

Rick

have that bookmarked. But, I've also noticed that, on that page,
searching for updates for W98 doesn't bring up anything any more recent
than 856358, 6/13/05 and 'System Admin. Scripting Guide Scripts',
1/4/05. A few (3 or so?) are from 2004, and the rest are all much
older. I know that sometime late last year it became necessary to use
WUp to get the files, but surely there should be more there than that?
If it's of any use to you, I'll post my list of updates.

Thanks,
Joe







  #6  
Old April 30th 06, 08:44 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Default PCR-- need ref to your update list

You are welcome. Keep us informed. I should do a definitive
investigation of it, myself, like Terhune did a while ago. Chauvin did
one too.

Not only do you need to take those criticals, but better take IE6 SP1
separately as well. After a fresh install of Windows, Windows Update
won't work on what it gives you of IE.

But, if you have that free Security Update CD, it will give you a good
IE & many of the critical updates as well. You need to call MS for it
now-- & careful you don't say something that incurs a charge!



--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"jt3" wrote in message
...
| Thanks, PCR. That'll keep me occupied for a while, sorting and
| cross-checking. I'll post back, should I find anything of interest,
or, say,
| 'curious yellow'. Used to use a product for pulling wires through
conduits
| we called that. Of course, the original dates me a bit, though I
never
| actually saw the movie, just heard lots of talk about it.
|
| J.
| "PCR" wrote in message
| ...
| Below is what I usually post for that. The Corporate site does have
less
| than the 78 critical updates offered at the Catalog. Some of the 78
are
| duplicates per IE version, though-- & can it be they haven't removed
| some that became superceded? Anyhow, that could be a small problem
| concerning ones already taken. But I'm sure the successor can handle
it!
| (One thing: Don't be tempted to take driver updates from Windows
| Update!. They are poison! Get them from your manufacturer instead!)
|
| There's a mess of regular criticals, both at the Corporate site
|
http://www.microsoft.com/windows98/d.../corporate.asp
|
| & at...
| http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.co...en/default.asp
| ..., which also can be got by...
| (1) "START button, Windows Update".
| (2) Click "Personalize..." in left pane & then check "Display the
| link..." in right pane.
| (3) Click "Windows Update Catalog" in left pane, which is now under
"See
| Also". (Perhaps you need to leave & re-enter the site to see it.)
| (4) Click "Find Updates..." in right pane.
| (5) Select OS in window & click "Search".
| (6) Select "Critical Updates...", & be patient for them to show up
in
| the bottom window. Maybe play with the little SortBy box.
|
| You must decide which apply to your computer, when you take them
that
| way. And the literature may not be perfectly clear about it.
Perhaps, if
| you've done it once letting the site decide, you may now...
|
| "START, Find, F/F, 'Windows Update.log'". (Use double quotes around
that
| name.) Click it for a possible clue inside. Otherwise...
|
| Here is all that-- first Compaq-- then Windows Update has
| deemed appropriate for this Win98SE.
|
| (A) At IE6, Help, About...
| SP1, Q313829, Q328970, Q328389, Q324929, Q810847, Q813951, Q816506,
| Q813489, Q330994, Q818529, Q822925, Q828750, Q824145, Q832894,
| Q837009, Q831167, Q823353, Q867801, Q833989, Q834707, Q889293,
Q867282,
| Q891781, Q890923, Q883939, Q896688, Q905915, & Q912812.
|
| NOTE: MS does not update IE's About box to remove mention of updates
| that subsequently were superceded. See Add/Remove (below) for that.
IOW,
| it doesn't delete them from...
|
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Internet
| Settings]
|
"MinorVersion"=";SP1;q313829;Q328970;Q328389;Q3249 29;Q810847;Q813951;
| Q816506;Q813489;Q330994;Q818529;Q822925;Q828750;Q8 24145;Q832894;
| Q837009;Q831167;Q823353;Q867801;Q833989;Q834707;Q8 89293;Q867282;
| Q891781;Q890923;Q883939;Q896688;Q905915;Q912812;"
|
| (B) At "START, Run, MSInfo32, Software Environment, Software
Updates",
| or at "START, RUN, QFECheck"..:
|
| Windows 98 Second Edition=4,10,0,2222
| Updates=Year 2000 Update for Windows 98b
| SP2: Windows 98 Second Edition USBHUB
| W98: KB891711, KB896358, KB908519, Q245729, Q274113, Q314147,
| Q323172, Q323255, Q329115, Q811630, Q840315, Q888113,
&
| Q890175.
| W98SE: Q823559, Q245272, Q256015, Q259728, Q260067, Q273017,
Q273991
| Win98SE: Q249973, Q238453, Q239887, UHCD
| Windows 98 Second Edition Digital Video
| Windows 98 TELNET
|
| (C) At "Control Panel, Add/Remove Programs, Install/Uninstall tab":
|
| (1) 128 bit encryption support for Dial-up Networking
| (2) Internet Explorer Q912812
| (was Q905915, Q896688, Q883939, Q890923, Q891781, Q889293,
| Q834707, Q867801, Q831167, Q832894, Q824145, Q828750,
| Q822925, Q818529)
| (3) Internet Explorer Q903235 (was Q883939).
| *Well, later I uninstalled this one.
| (4) Microsoft Data Access Components KB870669
| (5) Microsoft Internet Explorer 5 Web Accessories
| (6) Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 SP1 and Internet Tools
| (7) Microsoft Internet Print Services
| (8) Microsoft Outlook Express 6
| (9) Microsoft VGX Q833989
| (10) MSN Messenger 4.5
| (11) NetMeeting 3.01
| (12) Outlook Express Q823353 (was Q837009, Q330994)
| (13) Windows 98 KB891711 Update
| (14) Windows 98 KB896358 Update
| (15) Windows 98 KB908519 Update
| (16) Windows 98 Q823559 Update
| (17) Windows 98 Q840315 Update
| (18) Windows 98 Q888113 Update
| (19) Windows 98 Q890175 Update
| (20) Windows 98 Second Edition Digital Video Update
| (21) Windows Media Player system update (9 series)
|
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| should things get worse after this,
| PCR
|
| "jt3" wrote in message
| ...
| | Sorry to ask you to trot it out again, but could you give me the
ref
| to the
| | post with your 98 update list? I thought I'd saved it but can't
find
| it in
| | my computer mare's nest.
| |
| | While we're on the subject, I'd swear I had the box checked on the
WUp
| | personal prefs to give me the catalog option, but it won't,
doesn't,
| and I
| | can't make it do it. Any ideas? Not that it's a big problem,
since I
| have
| | that bookmarked. But, I've also noticed that, on that page,
searching
| for
| | updates for W98 doesn't bring up anything any more recent than
856358,
| | 6/13/05 and 'System Admin. Scripting Guide Scripts', 1/4/05. A
few (3
| or
| | so?) are from 2004, and the rest are all much older. I know that
| sometime
| | late last year it became necessary to use WUp to get the files,
but
| surely
| | there should be more there than that? If it's of any use to you,
I'll
| post
| | my list of updates.
| |
| | Thanks,
| | Joe
| |
| |
|
|
|
|


  #7  
Old May 1st 06, 05:56 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Default PCR-- need ref to your update list

I have the SCD. In fact, the first thing I did for a baseline was to use
the
..INFs on the CD to se which of the updates on my machine were due to it and
which were due to subsequent updates.

The list is not very large, but when I go to the TechNet site, it's clear
that the reason I don't have updates for a lot of those MSBs that were
issued, saying W98, se were affected must be due to MS reasoning that with a
dying W98 installed base, the explicit adaptation of some malware from the
XP design was unlikely to be feasible, so not a lot of need to address the
issue.

And as a practical approach, that may in fact be the case. For some of
those, I never heard of much in the way of attacks, anyhow.

Mostly, I'm just trying to cover all the bases before support disappears
entirely.

By the way, there were no abnormal events listed in the log file. And I
tried Rick's suggestions, but none of it made any difference--the selection
to show the link wouldn't take. Click on the box, 'x' shows up, click on
save settings, looks fine, go back to the previous page, then come back and
it's not set, once again. Try any combination . . . . do that, look for
updates, come back, it's gone. Set it, bomb out, come back, and it's gone.
Set it, bomb out, close down the machine, come back on and it's not set.

Looks rather to me as if they changed it deliberately. Be interested if you
find any difference. You might want to save the old update files first, in
case you want to keep it as it has been, if it will allow you. I have the
impression that the site handles it as a server, and it might be still
willing to accept your settings if already made, but not accept them if you
try to change from not having the option set. I don't know this, but it
seems like it.

I'll post back when I finally get through mashing all this stuff through my
sieve--
:-)

J
"PCR" wrote in message
...
You are welcome. Keep us informed. I should do a definitive
investigation of it, myself, like Terhune did a while ago. Chauvin did
one too.

Not only do you need to take those criticals, but better take IE6 SP1
separately as well. After a fresh install of Windows, Windows Update
won't work on what it gives you of IE.

But, if you have that free Security Update CD, it will give you a good
IE & many of the critical updates as well. You need to call MS for it
now-- & careful you don't say something that incurs a charge!



--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"jt3" wrote in message
...
| Thanks, PCR. That'll keep me occupied for a while, sorting and
| cross-checking. I'll post back, should I find anything of interest,
or, say,
| 'curious yellow'. Used to use a product for pulling wires through
conduits
| we called that. Of course, the original dates me a bit, though I
never
| actually saw the movie, just heard lots of talk about it.
|
| J.
| "PCR" wrote in message
| ...
| Below is what I usually post for that. The Corporate site does have
less
| than the 78 critical updates offered at the Catalog. Some of the 78
are
| duplicates per IE version, though-- & can it be they haven't removed
| some that became superceded? Anyhow, that could be a small problem
| concerning ones already taken. But I'm sure the successor can handle
it!
| (One thing: Don't be tempted to take driver updates from Windows
| Update!. They are poison! Get them from your manufacturer instead!)
|
| There's a mess of regular criticals, both at the Corporate site
|
http://www.microsoft.com/windows98/d.../corporate.asp
|
| & at...
| http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.co...en/default.asp
| ..., which also can be got by...
| (1) "START button, Windows Update".
| (2) Click "Personalize..." in left pane & then check "Display the
| link..." in right pane.
| (3) Click "Windows Update Catalog" in left pane, which is now under
"See
| Also". (Perhaps you need to leave & re-enter the site to see it.)
| (4) Click "Find Updates..." in right pane.
| (5) Select OS in window & click "Search".
| (6) Select "Critical Updates...", & be patient for them to show up
in
| the bottom window. Maybe play with the little SortBy box.
|
| You must decide which apply to your computer, when you take them
that
| way. And the literature may not be perfectly clear about it.
Perhaps, if
| you've done it once letting the site decide, you may now...
|
| "START, Find, F/F, 'Windows Update.log'". (Use double quotes around
that
| name.) Click it for a possible clue inside. Otherwise...
|
| Here is all that-- first Compaq-- then Windows Update has
| deemed appropriate for this Win98SE.
|
| (A) At IE6, Help, About...
| SP1, Q313829, Q328970, Q328389, Q324929, Q810847, Q813951, Q816506,
| Q813489, Q330994, Q818529, Q822925, Q828750, Q824145, Q832894,
| Q837009, Q831167, Q823353, Q867801, Q833989, Q834707, Q889293,
Q867282,
| Q891781, Q890923, Q883939, Q896688, Q905915, & Q912812.
|
| NOTE: MS does not update IE's About box to remove mention of updates
| that subsequently were superceded. See Add/Remove (below) for that.
IOW,
| it doesn't delete them from...
|
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Internet
| Settings]
|
"MinorVersion"=";SP1;q313829;Q328970;Q328389;Q3249 29;Q810847;Q813951;
| Q816506;Q813489;Q330994;Q818529;Q822925;Q828750;Q8 24145;Q832894;
| Q837009;Q831167;Q823353;Q867801;Q833989;Q834707;Q8 89293;Q867282;
| Q891781;Q890923;Q883939;Q896688;Q905915;Q912812;"
|
| (B) At "START, Run, MSInfo32, Software Environment, Software
Updates",
| or at "START, RUN, QFECheck"..:
|
| Windows 98 Second Edition=4,10,0,2222
| Updates=Year 2000 Update for Windows 98b
| SP2: Windows 98 Second Edition USBHUB
| W98: KB891711, KB896358, KB908519, Q245729, Q274113, Q314147,
| Q323172, Q323255, Q329115, Q811630, Q840315, Q888113,
&
| Q890175.
| W98SE: Q823559, Q245272, Q256015, Q259728, Q260067, Q273017,
Q273991
| Win98SE: Q249973, Q238453, Q239887, UHCD
| Windows 98 Second Edition Digital Video
| Windows 98 TELNET
|
| (C) At "Control Panel, Add/Remove Programs, Install/Uninstall tab":
|
| (1) 128 bit encryption support for Dial-up Networking
| (2) Internet Explorer Q912812
| (was Q905915, Q896688, Q883939, Q890923, Q891781, Q889293,
| Q834707, Q867801, Q831167, Q832894, Q824145, Q828750,
| Q822925, Q818529)
| (3) Internet Explorer Q903235 (was Q883939).
| *Well, later I uninstalled this one.
| (4) Microsoft Data Access Components KB870669
| (5) Microsoft Internet Explorer 5 Web Accessories
| (6) Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 SP1 and Internet Tools
| (7) Microsoft Internet Print Services
| (8) Microsoft Outlook Express 6
| (9) Microsoft VGX Q833989
| (10) MSN Messenger 4.5
| (11) NetMeeting 3.01
| (12) Outlook Express Q823353 (was Q837009, Q330994)
| (13) Windows 98 KB891711 Update
| (14) Windows 98 KB896358 Update
| (15) Windows 98 KB908519 Update
| (16) Windows 98 Q823559 Update
| (17) Windows 98 Q840315 Update
| (18) Windows 98 Q888113 Update
| (19) Windows 98 Q890175 Update
| (20) Windows 98 Second Edition Digital Video Update
| (21) Windows Media Player system update (9 series)
|
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| should things get worse after this,
| PCR
|
| "jt3" wrote in message
| ...
| | Sorry to ask you to trot it out again, but could you give me the
ref
| to the
| | post with your 98 update list? I thought I'd saved it but can't
find
| it in
| | my computer mare's nest.
| |
| | While we're on the subject, I'd swear I had the box checked on the
WUp
| | personal prefs to give me the catalog option, but it won't,
doesn't,
| and I
| | can't make it do it. Any ideas? Not that it's a big problem,
since I
| have
| | that bookmarked. But, I've also noticed that, on that page,
searching
| for
| | updates for W98 doesn't bring up anything any more recent than
856358,
| | 6/13/05 and 'System Admin. Scripting Guide Scripts', 1/4/05. A
few (3
| or
| | so?) are from 2004, and the rest are all much older. I know that
| sometime
| | late last year it became necessary to use WUp to get the files,
but
| surely
| | there should be more there than that? If it's of any use to you,
I'll
| post
| | my list of updates.
| |
| | Thanks,
| | Joe
| |
| |
|
|
|
|





  #8  
Old May 1st 06, 10:51 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default PCR-- need ref to your update list

| but none of it made any difference--the selection
| to show the link wouldn't take. Click on the box, 'x' shows up, click
on
| save settings, looks fine, go back to the previous page, then come
back and
| it's not set, once again. Try any combination . . . . do that, look
for
| updates, come back, it's gone. Set it, bomb out, come back, and it's
gone.
| Set it, bomb out, close down the machine, come back on and it's not
set.

(1) "START button, Windows Update".
(2) Click "Personalize..." in left pane
(3) Check "Display the link..." in right pane.
(4) Click "Windows Update Catalog" in left pane, which is now under
"See Also". (Perhaps you need to leave & re-enter the site to see
it-- the whole site.)
(5) Click "Find Updates..." in right pane.
(6) Select OS in window & click "Search".
(7) Select "Critical Updates...", & be patient for them to show up in
the bottom window.

Where does it go wrong in that procedure? Is there an error message? I
haven't done it recently, BUT "Windows Update Catalog" is still there
now under "See Also". It's there each time I go to Windows Update &
before clicking anything.

(8) I do see... yea... under "Other Options" in the left pane, there
also is "Personalize Windows Update". Click that, & in the right pane,
you must also check "Display the link to the Windows Update Catalog
under See Also". That's right.

If none of that works, I guess it could be an ActiveX or Scripting
problem. How are you set at "Internet Options, Security tab, Internet
zone"? Try clicking the Default button, to start.

| The list is not very large, but when I go to the TechNet site

They are getting stingy with Win98SE. That's right. But you should find
78 critical updates at the Catalog...
http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.co...en/default.asp
....Of course, you don't really need them all with your Security Update
CD.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"jt3" wrote in message
...
| I have the SCD. In fact, the first thing I did for a baseline was to
use
| the
| .INFs on the CD to se which of the updates on my machine were due to
it and
| which were due to subsequent updates.
|
| The list is not very large, but when I go to the TechNet site, it's
clear
| that the reason I don't have updates for a lot of those MSBs that were
| issued, saying W98, se were affected must be due to MS reasoning that
with a
| dying W98 installed base, the explicit adaptation of some malware from
the
| XP design was unlikely to be feasible, so not a lot of need to address
the
| issue.
|
| And as a practical approach, that may in fact be the case. For some
of
| those, I never heard of much in the way of attacks, anyhow.
|
| Mostly, I'm just trying to cover all the bases before support
disappears
| entirely.
|
| By the way, there were no abnormal events listed in the log file. And
I
| tried Rick's suggestions, but none of it made any difference--the
selection
| to show the link wouldn't take. Click on the box, 'x' shows up, click
on
| save settings, looks fine, go back to the previous page, then come
back and
| it's not set, once again. Try any combination . . . . do that, look
for
| updates, come back, it's gone. Set it, bomb out, come back, and it's
gone.
| Set it, bomb out, close down the machine, come back on and it's not
set.
|
| Looks rather to me as if they changed it deliberately. Be interested
if you
| find any difference. You might want to save the old update files
first, in
| case you want to keep it as it has been, if it will allow you. I have
the
| impression that the site handles it as a server, and it might be still
| willing to accept your settings if already made, but not accept them
if you
| try to change from not having the option set. I don't know this, but
it
| seems like it.
|
| I'll post back when I finally get through mashing all this stuff
through my
| sieve--
| :-)
|
| J
| "PCR" wrote in message
| ...
| You are welcome. Keep us informed. I should do a definitive
| investigation of it, myself, like Terhune did a while ago. Chauvin
did
| one too.
|
| Not only do you need to take those criticals, but better take IE6
SP1
| separately as well. After a fresh install of Windows, Windows Update
| won't work on what it gives you of IE.
|
| But, if you have that free Security Update CD, it will give you a
good
| IE & many of the critical updates as well. You need to call MS for
it
| now-- & careful you don't say something that incurs a charge!
|
|
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| should things get worse after this,
| PCR
|

| "jt3" wrote in message
| ...
| | Thanks, PCR. That'll keep me occupied for a while, sorting and
| | cross-checking. I'll post back, should I find anything of
interest,
| or, say,
| | 'curious yellow'. Used to use a product for pulling wires through
| conduits
| | we called that. Of course, the original dates me a bit, though I
| never
| | actually saw the movie, just heard lots of talk about it.
| |
| | J.
| | "PCR" wrote in message
| | ...
| | Below is what I usually post for that. The Corporate site does
have
| less
| | than the 78 critical updates offered at the Catalog. Some of the
78
| are
| | duplicates per IE version, though-- & can it be they haven't
removed
| | some that became superceded? Anyhow, that could be a small
problem
| | concerning ones already taken. But I'm sure the successor can
handle
| it!
| | (One thing: Don't be tempted to take driver updates from Windows

| | Update!. They are poison! Get them from your manufacturer
instead!)
| |
| | There's a mess of regular criticals, both at the Corporate site
| |
http://www.microsoft.com/windows98/d.../corporate.asp
| |
| | & at...
| | http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.co...en/default.asp
| | ..., which also can be got by...
| | (1) "START button, Windows Update".
| | (2) Click "Personalize..." in left pane & then check "Display
the
| | link..." in right pane.
| | (3) Click "Windows Update Catalog" in left pane, which is now
under
| "See
| | Also". (Perhaps you need to leave & re-enter the site to see
it.)
| | (4) Click "Find Updates..." in right pane.
| | (5) Select OS in window & click "Search".
| | (6) Select "Critical Updates...", & be patient for them to show
up
| in
| | the bottom window. Maybe play with the little SortBy box.
| |
| | You must decide which apply to your computer, when you take them
| that
| | way. And the literature may not be perfectly clear about it.
| Perhaps, if
| | you've done it once letting the site decide, you may now...
| |
| | "START, Find, F/F, 'Windows Update.log'". (Use double quotes
around
| that
| | name.) Click it for a possible clue inside. Otherwise...
| |
| | Here is all that-- first Compaq-- then Windows Update has
| | deemed appropriate for this Win98SE.
| |
| | (A) At IE6, Help, About...
| | SP1, Q313829, Q328970, Q328389, Q324929, Q810847, Q813951,
Q816506,
| | Q813489, Q330994, Q818529, Q822925, Q828750, Q824145, Q832894,
| | Q837009, Q831167, Q823353, Q867801, Q833989, Q834707, Q889293,
| Q867282,
| | Q891781, Q890923, Q883939, Q896688, Q905915, & Q912812.
| |
| | NOTE: MS does not update IE's About box to remove mention of
updates
| | that subsequently were superceded. See Add/Remove (below) for
that.
| IOW,
| | it doesn't delete them from...
| |
|
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Internet
| | Settings]
| |
|
"MinorVersion"=";SP1;q313829;Q328970;Q328389;Q3249 29;Q810847;Q813951;
| | Q816506;Q813489;Q330994;Q818529;Q822925;Q828750;Q8 24145;Q832894;
| | Q837009;Q831167;Q823353;Q867801;Q833989;Q834707;Q8 89293;Q867282;
| | Q891781;Q890923;Q883939;Q896688;Q905915;Q912812;"
| |
| | (B) At "START, Run, MSInfo32, Software Environment, Software
| Updates",
| | or at "START, RUN, QFECheck"..:
| |
| | Windows 98 Second Edition=4,10,0,2222
| | Updates=Year 2000 Update for Windows 98b
| | SP2: Windows 98 Second Edition USBHUB
| | W98: KB891711, KB896358, KB908519, Q245729, Q274113,
Q314147,
| | Q323172, Q323255, Q329115, Q811630, Q840315,
Q888113,
| &
| | Q890175.
| | W98SE: Q823559, Q245272, Q256015, Q259728, Q260067, Q273017,
| Q273991
| | Win98SE: Q249973, Q238453, Q239887, UHCD
| | Windows 98 Second Edition Digital Video
| | Windows 98 TELNET
| |
| | (C) At "Control Panel, Add/Remove Programs, Install/Uninstall
tab":
| |
| | (1) 128 bit encryption support for Dial-up Networking
| | (2) Internet Explorer Q912812
| | (was Q905915, Q896688, Q883939, Q890923, Q891781, Q889293,
| | Q834707, Q867801, Q831167, Q832894, Q824145,
Q828750,
| | Q822925, Q818529)
| | (3) Internet Explorer Q903235 (was Q883939).
| | *Well, later I uninstalled this one.
| | (4) Microsoft Data Access Components KB870669
| | (5) Microsoft Internet Explorer 5 Web Accessories
| | (6) Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 SP1 and Internet Tools
| | (7) Microsoft Internet Print Services
| | (8) Microsoft Outlook Express 6
| | (9) Microsoft VGX Q833989
| | (10) MSN Messenger 4.5
| | (11) NetMeeting 3.01
| | (12) Outlook Express Q823353 (was Q837009, Q330994)
| | (13) Windows 98 KB891711 Update
| | (14) Windows 98 KB896358 Update
| | (15) Windows 98 KB908519 Update
| | (16) Windows 98 Q823559 Update
| | (17) Windows 98 Q840315 Update
| | (18) Windows 98 Q888113 Update
| | (19) Windows 98 Q890175 Update
| | (20) Windows 98 Second Edition Digital Video Update
| | (21) Windows Media Player system update (9 series)
| |
| |
| | --
| | Thanks or Good Luck,
| | There may be humor in this post, and,
| | Naturally, you will not sue,
| | should things get worse after this,
| | PCR
| |
| | "jt3" wrote in message
| | ...
| | | Sorry to ask you to trot it out again, but could you give me
the
| ref
| | to the
| | | post with your 98 update list? I thought I'd saved it but
can't
| find
| | it in
| | | my computer mare's nest.
| | |
| | | While we're on the subject, I'd swear I had the box checked on
the
| WUp
| | | personal prefs to give me the catalog option, but it won't,
| doesn't,
| | and I
| | | can't make it do it. Any ideas? Not that it's a big problem,
| since I
| | have
| | | that bookmarked. But, I've also noticed that, on that page,
| searching
| | for
| | | updates for W98 doesn't bring up anything any more recent than
| 856358,
| | | 6/13/05 and 'System Admin. Scripting Guide Scripts', 1/4/05.
A
| few (3
| | or
| | | so?) are from 2004, and the rest are all much older. I know
that
| | sometime
| | | late last year it became necessary to use WUp to get the
files,
| but
| | surely
| | | there should be more there than that? If it's of any use to
you,
| I'll
| | post
| | | my list of updates.
| | |
| | | Thanks,
| | | Joe
| | |
| | |
| |
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
|


  #9  
Old May 2nd 06, 08:04 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default PCR-- need ref to your update list

It never gets from (3) to (4). If I click on 'Display the link...' the box
is checked, I then click 'Save Settings' but the left pane never shows up
'Windows Update Catalog' no matter what I set the security settings in IE
to, or whether I close out IE or even reboot. It just acts as if the server
has been programmed to ignore any settings changes I make. 'WYSIWYG.' It
isn't really a problem--it just is an irritation, and I always worry that
maybe something else is haywire, for example, having taken a recent patch,
or such.

With respect to the updates you listed, you took the Internet Print Services
Beta? That's the only reference I could find for that. Additionally, the
W98SE Digital Video Update is now known as 'Video Capture Update for DirectX
v.8.0' and I had to dig pretty deeply into Google to find that one, since
your posts with that particular quote keep coming up as hits on Digital
Video Update. I couldn't tell what it was needed for, precisely, unless you
have an older Sony Digital Video Camera, which seemed to come up fairly
often. The other thing that came up was 243174up.exe, which apparently you
can only get by signing over your first-born child, and seems to be
necessary if you have a firewire camera.

Apparently you took WMP 9x? Is there any synchronism between DX9 and WMP9?
The reason I ask is that the SCD has DX8 and 9b, as well as WMP 7.1, 8, and
9. The odd thing is that I seem to have WMP 6.4.7.1121 (probably the W98se
release), but I also have evidence of 9.0.0.2980 in the registry, though I'm
not sure it's installed anywhere. There isn't any ref in 'Add/Remove' and
the version numbers come from the registry, from the file in C:\Program
Files\Windows Media Player\ folder, and 'Help/About'. I don't know how
you're supposed to know what you have for sure without an 'add/remove'
entry. As I recall, the SCD didn't allow W98 users much choice in
installation, but I may have fudged up the inf files to get what I wanted.
Trouble is, sometimes I wrote in my notebook, but not always.

The other major differences are in that I went through a couple of years
back and eliminated all the superceded updates, so I'm missing some you have
for IE, OE, and the HTML help patches.

I still have some slogging to do, back when done.

Joe
"PCR" wrote in message
...
| but none of it made any difference--the selection
| to show the link wouldn't take. Click on the box, 'x' shows up, click
on
| save settings, looks fine, go back to the previous page, then come
back and
| it's not set, once again. Try any combination . . . . do that, look
for
| updates, come back, it's gone. Set it, bomb out, come back, and it's
gone.
| Set it, bomb out, close down the machine, come back on and it's not
set.

(1) "START button, Windows Update".
(2) Click "Personalize..." in left pane
(3) Check "Display the link..." in right pane.
(4) Click "Windows Update Catalog" in left pane, which is now under
"See Also". (Perhaps you need to leave & re-enter the site to see
it-- the whole site.)
(5) Click "Find Updates..." in right pane.
(6) Select OS in window & click "Search".
(7) Select "Critical Updates...", & be patient for them to show up in
the bottom window.

Where does it go wrong in that procedure? Is there an error message? I
haven't done it recently, BUT "Windows Update Catalog" is still there
now under "See Also". It's there each time I go to Windows Update &
before clicking anything.

(8) I do see... yea... under "Other Options" in the left pane, there
also is "Personalize Windows Update". Click that, & in the right pane,
you must also check "Display the link to the Windows Update Catalog
under See Also". That's right.

If none of that works, I guess it could be an ActiveX or Scripting
problem. How are you set at "Internet Options, Security tab, Internet
zone"? Try clicking the Default button, to start.

| The list is not very large, but when I go to the TechNet site

They are getting stingy with Win98SE. That's right. But you should find
78 critical updates at the Catalog...
http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.co...en/default.asp
...Of course, you don't really need them all with your Security Update
CD.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"jt3" wrote in message
...
| I have the SCD. In fact, the first thing I did for a baseline was to
use
| the
| .INFs on the CD to se which of the updates on my machine were due to
it and
| which were due to subsequent updates.
|
| The list is not very large, but when I go to the TechNet site, it's
clear
| that the reason I don't have updates for a lot of those MSBs that were
| issued, saying W98, se were affected must be due to MS reasoning that
with a
| dying W98 installed base, the explicit adaptation of some malware from
the
| XP design was unlikely to be feasible, so not a lot of need to address
the
| issue.
|
| And as a practical approach, that may in fact be the case. For some
of
| those, I never heard of much in the way of attacks, anyhow.
|
| Mostly, I'm just trying to cover all the bases before support
disappears
| entirely.
|
| By the way, there were no abnormal events listed in the log file. And
I
| tried Rick's suggestions, but none of it made any difference--the
selection
| to show the link wouldn't take. Click on the box, 'x' shows up, click
on
| save settings, looks fine, go back to the previous page, then come
back and
| it's not set, once again. Try any combination . . . . do that, look
for
| updates, come back, it's gone. Set it, bomb out, come back, and it's
gone.
| Set it, bomb out, close down the machine, come back on and it's not
set.
|
| Looks rather to me as if they changed it deliberately. Be interested
if you
| find any difference. You might want to save the old update files
first, in
| case you want to keep it as it has been, if it will allow you. I have
the
| impression that the site handles it as a server, and it might be still
| willing to accept your settings if already made, but not accept them
if you
| try to change from not having the option set. I don't know this, but
it
| seems like it.
|
| I'll post back when I finally get through mashing all this stuff
through my
| sieve--
| :-)
|
| J
| "PCR" wrote in message
| ...
| You are welcome. Keep us informed. I should do a definitive
| investigation of it, myself, like Terhune did a while ago. Chauvin
did
| one too.
|
| Not only do you need to take those criticals, but better take IE6
SP1
| separately as well. After a fresh install of Windows, Windows Update
| won't work on what it gives you of IE.
|
| But, if you have that free Security Update CD, it will give you a
good
| IE & many of the critical updates as well. You need to call MS for
it
| now-- & careful you don't say something that incurs a charge!
|
|
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| should things get worse after this,
| PCR
|

| "jt3" wrote in message
| ...
| | Thanks, PCR. That'll keep me occupied for a while, sorting and
| | cross-checking. I'll post back, should I find anything of
interest,
| or, say,
| | 'curious yellow'. Used to use a product for pulling wires through
| conduits
| | we called that. Of course, the original dates me a bit, though I
| never
| | actually saw the movie, just heard lots of talk about it.
| |
| | J.
| | "PCR" wrote in message
| | ...
| | Below is what I usually post for that. The Corporate site does
have
| less
| | than the 78 critical updates offered at the Catalog. Some of the
78
| are
| | duplicates per IE version, though-- & can it be they haven't
removed
| | some that became superceded? Anyhow, that could be a small
problem
| | concerning ones already taken. But I'm sure the successor can
handle
| it!
| | (One thing: Don't be tempted to take driver updates from Windows

| | Update!. They are poison! Get them from your manufacturer
instead!)
| |
| | There's a mess of regular criticals, both at the Corporate site
| |
http://www.microsoft.com/windows98/d.../corporate.asp
| |
| | & at...
| | http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.co...en/default.asp
| | ..., which also can be got by...
| | (1) "START button, Windows Update".
| | (2) Click "Personalize..." in left pane & then check "Display
the
| | link..." in right pane.
| | (3) Click "Windows Update Catalog" in left pane, which is now
under
| "See
| | Also". (Perhaps you need to leave & re-enter the site to see
it.)
| | (4) Click "Find Updates..." in right pane.
| | (5) Select OS in window & click "Search".
| | (6) Select "Critical Updates...", & be patient for them to show
up
| in
| | the bottom window. Maybe play with the little SortBy box.
| |
| | You must decide which apply to your computer, when you take them
| that
| | way. And the literature may not be perfectly clear about it.
| Perhaps, if
| | you've done it once letting the site decide, you may now...
| |
| | "START, Find, F/F, 'Windows Update.log'". (Use double quotes
around
| that
| | name.) Click it for a possible clue inside. Otherwise...
| |
| | Here is all that-- first Compaq-- then Windows Update has
| | deemed appropriate for this Win98SE.
| |
| | (A) At IE6, Help, About...
| | SP1, Q313829, Q328970, Q328389, Q324929, Q810847, Q813951,
Q816506,
| | Q813489, Q330994, Q818529, Q822925, Q828750, Q824145, Q832894,
| | Q837009, Q831167, Q823353, Q867801, Q833989, Q834707, Q889293,
| Q867282,
| | Q891781, Q890923, Q883939, Q896688, Q905915, & Q912812.
| |
| | NOTE: MS does not update IE's About box to remove mention of
updates
| | that subsequently were superceded. See Add/Remove (below) for
that.
| IOW,
| | it doesn't delete them from...
| |
|
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Internet
| | Settings]
| |
|
"MinorVersion"=";SP1;q313829;Q328970;Q328389;Q3249 29;Q810847;Q813951;
| | Q816506;Q813489;Q330994;Q818529;Q822925;Q828750;Q8 24145;Q832894;
| | Q837009;Q831167;Q823353;Q867801;Q833989;Q834707;Q8 89293;Q867282;
| | Q891781;Q890923;Q883939;Q896688;Q905915;Q912812;"
| |
| | (B) At "START, Run, MSInfo32, Software Environment, Software
| Updates",
| | or at "START, RUN, QFECheck"..:
| |
| | Windows 98 Second Edition=4,10,0,2222
| | Updates=Year 2000 Update for Windows 98b
| | SP2: Windows 98 Second Edition USBHUB
| | W98: KB891711, KB896358, KB908519, Q245729, Q274113,
Q314147,
| | Q323172, Q323255, Q329115, Q811630, Q840315,
Q888113,
| &
| | Q890175.
| | W98SE: Q823559, Q245272, Q256015, Q259728, Q260067, Q273017,
| Q273991
| | Win98SE: Q249973, Q238453, Q239887, UHCD
| | Windows 98 Second Edition Digital Video
| | Windows 98 TELNET
| |
| | (C) At "Control Panel, Add/Remove Programs, Install/Uninstall
tab":
| |
| | (1) 128 bit encryption support for Dial-up Networking
| | (2) Internet Explorer Q912812
| | (was Q905915, Q896688, Q883939, Q890923, Q891781, Q889293,
| | Q834707, Q867801, Q831167, Q832894, Q824145,
Q828750,
| | Q822925, Q818529)
| | (3) Internet Explorer Q903235 (was Q883939).
| | *Well, later I uninstalled this one.
| | (4) Microsoft Data Access Components KB870669
| | (5) Microsoft Internet Explorer 5 Web Accessories
| | (6) Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 SP1 and Internet Tools
| | (7) Microsoft Internet Print Services
| | (8) Microsoft Outlook Express 6
| | (9) Microsoft VGX Q833989
| | (10) MSN Messenger 4.5
| | (11) NetMeeting 3.01
| | (12) Outlook Express Q823353 (was Q837009, Q330994)
| | (13) Windows 98 KB891711 Update
| | (14) Windows 98 KB896358 Update
| | (15) Windows 98 KB908519 Update
| | (16) Windows 98 Q823559 Update
| | (17) Windows 98 Q840315 Update
| | (18) Windows 98 Q888113 Update
| | (19) Windows 98 Q890175 Update
| | (20) Windows 98 Second Edition Digital Video Update
| | (21) Windows Media Player system update (9 series)
| |
| |
| | --
| | Thanks or Good Luck,
| | There may be humor in this post, and,
| | Naturally, you will not sue,
| | should things get worse after this,
| | PCR
| |
| | "jt3" wrote in message
| | ...
| | | Sorry to ask you to trot it out again, but could you give me
the
| ref
| | to the
| | | post with your 98 update list? I thought I'd saved it but
can't
| find
| | it in
| | | my computer mare's nest.
| | |
| | | While we're on the subject, I'd swear I had the box checked on
the
| WUp
| | | personal prefs to give me the catalog option, but it won't,
| doesn't,
| | and I
| | | can't make it do it. Any ideas? Not that it's a big problem,
| since I
| | have
| | | that bookmarked. But, I've also noticed that, on that page,
| searching
| | for
| | | updates for W98 doesn't bring up anything any more recent than
| 856358,
| | | 6/13/05 and 'System Admin. Scripting Guide Scripts', 1/4/05.
A
| few (3
| | or
| | | so?) are from 2004, and the rest are all much older. I know
that
| | sometime
| | | late last year it became necessary to use WUp to get the
files,
| but
| | surely
| | | there should be more there than that? If it's of any use to
you,
| I'll
| | post
| | | my list of updates.
| | |
| | | Thanks,
| | | Joe
| | |
| | |
| |
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
|




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Old May 2nd 06, 06:27 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Default PCR-- need ref to your update list

Now, I've found something at...
http://search.support.microsoft.com/...dv=1&spid=1139 MSKB
Search "Windows Update Catalog"; Windows 98; This First; All Words; Any
Time. There were many articles. I hope this one does it...

• Your settings are not saved when you try to personalize the Windows
Update Web site or the Microsoft Update Web site
(836914) - Explains what to do when your personal settings are not saved
for Windows Update or for Microsoft Update.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/836914/en-us

...., but I never had to do any of that!

| With respect to the updates you listed, you took the Internet Print
Services
| Beta?

You mean... (7) Microsoft Internet Print Services? Not sure whether it
was me or Compaq that took that one. (My printer hasn't printed for
quite a while, but I think it's out of ink.)

| W98SE Digital Video Update

This... (20) Windows 98 Second Edition Digital Video Update? Very
possibly Compaq did that one, not me! I have no Sony Digital Video
Camera or firewire camera. I cannot find 243174up.exe anywhere in here.

Compaq did bundle ArcSoft PhotoPrinter into this machine, but I never
use it. I also do have "firewire" which is natural for 98SE, but nothing
is plugged in for it that I know of.

| Apparently you took WMP 9x? Is there any synchronism between
| DX9 and WMP9?

No. Those were separate, & I never heard they must be matched.

| The reason I ask is that the SCD has DX8 and 9b, as well as WMP 7.1,
8, and
| 9. The odd thing is that I seem to have WMP 6.4.7.1121 (probably the
W98se
| release), but I also have evidence of 9.0.0.2980 in the registry,

An older version of WMP is kept, although you upgraded to v.9. I believe
you can access it this way... "START, Run, mplayer2.exe". Could be
that's what you see. Yea, it's Properties do show v.6.4.07.1121, just as
you said.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"jt3" wrote in message
...
| It never gets from (3) to (4). If I click on 'Display the link...'
the box
| is checked, I then click 'Save Settings' but the left pane never shows
up
| 'Windows Update Catalog' no matter what I set the security settings in
IE
| to, or whether I close out IE or even reboot. It just acts as if the
server
| has been programmed to ignore any settings changes I make. 'WYSIWYG.'
It
| isn't really a problem--it just is an irritation, and I always worry
that
| maybe something else is haywire, for example, having taken a recent
patch,
| or such.
|
| With respect to the updates you listed, you took the Internet Print
Services
| Beta? That's the only reference I could find for that. Additionally,
the
| W98SE Digital Video Update is now known as 'Video Capture Update for
DirectX
| v.8.0' and I had to dig pretty deeply into Google to find that one,
since
| your posts with that particular quote keep coming up as hits on
Digital
| Video Update. I couldn't tell what it was needed for, precisely,
unless you
| have an older Sony Digital Video Camera, which seemed to come up
fairly
| often. The other thing that came up was 243174up.exe, which
apparently you
| can only get by signing over your first-born child, and seems to be
| necessary if you have a firewire camera.
|
| Apparently you took WMP 9x? Is there any synchronism between DX9 and
WMP9?
| The reason I ask is that the SCD has DX8 and 9b, as well as WMP 7.1,
8, and
| 9. The odd thing is that I seem to have WMP 6.4.7.1121 (probably the
W98se
| release), but I also have evidence of 9.0.0.2980 in the registry,
though I'm
| not sure it's installed anywhere. There isn't any ref in 'Add/Remove'
and
| the version numbers come from the registry, from the file in
C:\Program
| Files\Windows Media Player\ folder, and 'Help/About'. I don't know
how
| you're supposed to know what you have for sure without an 'add/remove'
| entry. As I recall, the SCD didn't allow W98 users much choice in
| installation, but I may have fudged up the inf files to get what I
wanted.
| Trouble is, sometimes I wrote in my notebook, but not always.
|
| The other major differences are in that I went through a couple of
years
| back and eliminated all the superceded updates, so I'm missing some
you have
| for IE, OE, and the HTML help patches.
|
| I still have some slogging to do, back when done.
|
| Joe
| "PCR" wrote in message
| ...
| | but none of it made any difference--the selection
| | to show the link wouldn't take. Click on the box, 'x' shows up,
click
| on
| | save settings, looks fine, go back to the previous page, then come
| back and
| | it's not set, once again. Try any combination . . . . do that,
look
| for
| | updates, come back, it's gone. Set it, bomb out, come back, and
it's
| gone.
| | Set it, bomb out, close down the machine, come back on and it's
not
| set.
|
| (1) "START button, Windows Update".
| (2) Click "Personalize..." in left pane
| (3) Check "Display the link..." in right pane.
| (4) Click "Windows Update Catalog" in left pane, which is now under
| "See Also". (Perhaps you need to leave & re-enter the site to
see
| it-- the whole site.)
| (5) Click "Find Updates..." in right pane.
| (6) Select OS in window & click "Search".
| (7) Select "Critical Updates...", & be patient for them to show up
in
| the bottom window.
|
| Where does it go wrong in that procedure? Is there an error message?
I
| haven't done it recently, BUT "Windows Update Catalog" is still
there
| now under "See Also". It's there each time I go to Windows Update &
| before clicking anything.
|
| (8) I do see... yea... under "Other Options" in the left pane, there
| also is "Personalize Windows Update". Click that, & in the right
pane,
| you must also check "Display the link to the Windows Update Catalog
| under See Also". That's right.
|
| If none of that works, I guess it could be an ActiveX or Scripting
| problem. How are you set at "Internet Options, Security tab,
Internet
| zone"? Try clicking the Default button, to start.
|
| | The list is not very large, but when I go to the TechNet site
|
| They are getting stingy with Win98SE. That's right. But you should
find
| 78 critical updates at the Catalog...
|
http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.co...en/default.asp
| ...Of course, you don't really need them all with your Security
Update
| CD.
|
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| should things get worse after this,
| PCR
|
| "jt3" wrote in message
| ...
| | I have the SCD. In fact, the first thing I did for a baseline was
to
| use
| | the
| | .INFs on the CD to se which of the updates on my machine were due
to
| it and
| | which were due to subsequent updates.
| |
| | The list is not very large, but when I go to the TechNet site,
it's
| clear
| | that the reason I don't have updates for a lot of those MSBs that
were
| | issued, saying W98, se were affected must be due to MS reasoning
that
| with a
| | dying W98 installed base, the explicit adaptation of some malware
from
| the
| | XP design was unlikely to be feasible, so not a lot of need to
address
| the
| | issue.
| |
| | And as a practical approach, that may in fact be the case. For
some
| of
| | those, I never heard of much in the way of attacks, anyhow.
| |
| | Mostly, I'm just trying to cover all the bases before support
| disappears
| | entirely.
| |
| | By the way, there were no abnormal events listed in the log file.
And
| I
| | tried Rick's suggestions, but none of it made any difference--the
| selection
| | to show the link wouldn't take. Click on the box, 'x' shows up,
click
| on
| | save settings, looks fine, go back to the previous page, then come
| back and
| | it's not set, once again. Try any combination . . . . do that,
look
| for
| | updates, come back, it's gone. Set it, bomb out, come back, and
it's
| gone.
| | Set it, bomb out, close down the machine, come back on and it's
not
| set.
| |
| | Looks rather to me as if they changed it deliberately. Be
interested
| if you
| | find any difference. You might want to save the old update files
| first, in
| | case you want to keep it as it has been, if it will allow you. I
have
| the
| | impression that the site handles it as a server, and it might be
still
| | willing to accept your settings if already made, but not accept
them
| if you
| | try to change from not having the option set. I don't know this,
but
| it
| | seems like it.
| |
| | I'll post back when I finally get through mashing all this stuff
| through my
| | sieve--
| | :-)
| |
| | J
| | "PCR" wrote in message
| | ...
| | You are welcome. Keep us informed. I should do a definitive
| | investigation of it, myself, like Terhune did a while ago.
Chauvin
| did
| | one too.
| |
| | Not only do you need to take those criticals, but better take
IE6
| SP1
| | separately as well. After a fresh install of Windows, Windows
Update
| | won't work on what it gives you of IE.
| |
| | But, if you have that free Security Update CD, it will give you
a
| good
| | IE & many of the critical updates as well. You need to call MS
for
| it
| | now-- & careful you don't say something that incurs a charge!
| |
| |
| |
| | --
| | Thanks or Good Luck,
| | There may be humor in this post, and,
| | Naturally, you will not sue,
| | should things get worse after this,
| | PCR
| |

| | "jt3" wrote in message
| | ...
| | | Thanks, PCR. That'll keep me occupied for a while, sorting
and
| | | cross-checking. I'll post back, should I find anything of
| interest,
| | or, say,
| | | 'curious yellow'. Used to use a product for pulling wires
through
| | conduits
| | | we called that. Of course, the original dates me a bit,
though I
| | never
| | | actually saw the movie, just heard lots of talk about it.
| | |
| | | J.
| | | "PCR" wrote in message
| | | ...
| | | Below is what I usually post for that. The Corporate site
does
| have
| | less
| | | than the 78 critical updates offered at the Catalog. Some of
the
| 78
| | are
| | | duplicates per IE version, though-- & can it be they haven't
| removed
| | | some that became superceded? Anyhow, that could be a small
| problem
| | | concerning ones already taken. But I'm sure the successor
can
| handle
| | it!
| | | (One thing: Don't be tempted to take driver updates from
Windows
|
| | | Update!. They are poison! Get them from your manufacturer
| instead!)
| | |
| | | There's a mess of regular criticals, both at the Corporate
site
| | |
http://www.microsoft.com/windows98/d.../corporate.asp
| | |
| | | & at...
| | | http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.co...en/default.asp
| | | ..., which also can be got by...
| | | (1) "START button, Windows Update".
| | | (2) Click "Personalize..." in left pane & then check
"Display
| the
| | | link..." in right pane.
| | | (3) Click "Windows Update Catalog" in left pane, which is
now
| under
| | "See
| | | Also". (Perhaps you need to leave & re-enter the site to see
| it.)
| | | (4) Click "Find Updates..." in right pane.
| | | (5) Select OS in window & click "Search".
| | | (6) Select "Critical Updates...", & be patient for them to
show
| up
| | in
| | | the bottom window. Maybe play with the little SortBy box.
| | |
| | | You must decide which apply to your computer, when you take
them
| | that
| | | way. And the literature may not be perfectly clear about it.
| | Perhaps, if
| | | you've done it once letting the site decide, you may now...
| | |
| | | "START, Find, F/F, 'Windows Update.log'". (Use double quotes
| around
| | that
| | | name.) Click it for a possible clue inside. Otherwise...
| | |
| | | Here is all that-- first Compaq-- then Windows Update has
| | | deemed appropriate for this Win98SE.
| | |
| | | (A) At IE6, Help, About...
| | | SP1, Q313829, Q328970, Q328389, Q324929, Q810847, Q813951,
| Q816506,
| | | Q813489, Q330994, Q818529, Q822925, Q828750, Q824145,
Q832894,
| | | Q837009, Q831167, Q823353, Q867801, Q833989, Q834707,
Q889293,
| | Q867282,
| | | Q891781, Q890923, Q883939, Q896688, Q905915, & Q912812.
| | |
| | | NOTE: MS does not update IE's About box to remove mention of
| updates
| | | that subsequently were superceded. See Add/Remove (below)
for
| that.
| | IOW,
| | | it doesn't delete them from...
| | |
| |
|
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Internet
| | | Settings]
| | |
| |
|
"MinorVersion"=";SP1;q313829;Q328970;Q328389;Q3249 29;Q810847;Q813951;
| | |
Q816506;Q813489;Q330994;Q818529;Q822925;Q828750;Q8 24145;Q832894;
| | |
Q837009;Q831167;Q823353;Q867801;Q833989;Q834707;Q8 89293;Q867282;
| | | Q891781;Q890923;Q883939;Q896688;Q905915;Q912812;"
| | |
| | | (B) At "START, Run, MSInfo32, Software Environment, Software
| | Updates",
| | | or at "START, RUN, QFECheck"..:
| | |
| | | Windows 98 Second Edition=4,10,0,2222
| | | Updates=Year 2000 Update for Windows 98b
| | | SP2: Windows 98 Second Edition USBHUB
| | | W98: KB891711, KB896358, KB908519, Q245729, Q274113,
| Q314147,
| | | Q323172, Q323255, Q329115, Q811630, Q840315,
| Q888113,
| | &
| | | Q890175.
| | | W98SE: Q823559, Q245272, Q256015, Q259728, Q260067,
Q273017,
| | Q273991
| | | Win98SE: Q249973, Q238453, Q239887, UHCD
| | | Windows 98 Second Edition Digital Video
| | | Windows 98 TELNET
| | |
| | | (C) At "Control Panel, Add/Remove Programs,
Install/Uninstall
| tab":
| | |
| | | (1) 128 bit encryption support for Dial-up Networking
| | | (2) Internet Explorer Q912812
| | | (was Q905915, Q896688, Q883939, Q890923, Q891781,
Q889293,
| | | Q834707, Q867801, Q831167, Q832894, Q824145,
| Q828750,
| | | Q822925, Q818529)
| | | (3) Internet Explorer Q903235 (was Q883939).
| | | *Well, later I uninstalled this one.
| | | (4) Microsoft Data Access Components KB870669
| | | (5) Microsoft Internet Explorer 5 Web Accessories
| | | (6) Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 SP1 and Internet Tools
| | | (7) Microsoft Internet Print Services
| | | (8) Microsoft Outlook Express 6
| | | (9) Microsoft VGX Q833989
| | | (10) MSN Messenger 4.5
| | | (11) NetMeeting 3.01
| | | (12) Outlook Express Q823353 (was Q837009, Q330994)
| | | (13) Windows 98 KB891711 Update
| | | (14) Windows 98 KB896358 Update
| | | (15) Windows 98 KB908519 Update
| | | (16) Windows 98 Q823559 Update
| | | (17) Windows 98 Q840315 Update
| | | (18) Windows 98 Q888113 Update
| | | (19) Windows 98 Q890175 Update
| | | (20) Windows 98 Second Edition Digital Video Update
| | | (21) Windows Media Player system update (9 series)
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| | | Thanks or Good Luck,
| | | There may be humor in this post, and,
| | | Naturally, you will not sue,
| | | should things get worse after this,
| | | PCR
| | |
| | | "jt3" wrote in message
| | | ...
| | | | Sorry to ask you to trot it out again, but could you give
me
| the
| | ref
| | | to the
| | | | post with your 98 update list? I thought I'd saved it but
| can't
| | find
| | | it in
| | | | my computer mare's nest.
| | | |
| | | | While we're on the subject, I'd swear I had the box
checked on
| the
| | WUp
| | | | personal prefs to give me the catalog option, but it
won't,
| | doesn't,
| | | and I
| | | | can't make it do it. Any ideas? Not that it's a big
problem,
| | since I
| | | have
| | | | that bookmarked. But, I've also noticed that, on that
page,
| | searching
| | | for
| | | | updates for W98 doesn't bring up anything any more recent
than
| | 856358,
| | | | 6/13/05 and 'System Admin. Scripting Guide Scripts',
1/4/05.
| A
| | few (3
| | | or
| | | | so?) are from 2004, and the rest are all much older. I
know
| that
| | | sometime
| | | | late last year it became necessary to use WUp to get the
| files,
| | but
| | | surely
| | | | there should be more there than that? If it's of any use
to
| you,
| | I'll
| | | post
| | | | my list of updates.
| | | |
| | | | Thanks,
| | | | Joe
| | | |
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