changing partition letter cut me off from the internet

This problem arose during an attempt to prepare for installing XP as a
second OS in addition to Win98se.

At the outset I had a single HDD partitioned into C: and D:. Windows
98se, as you'd expect, lives in C: My applications live in D:

In preparation for when I try installing XP, I used Partition Magic to
make a new partition between the former C: and D: partitions.

Partition Magic does this and, if OK'd, uses a thing called
Drivemapper to change all the references to D: to the new partition,
E:

After this, with one or two evidences of where Drive Mapper had missed
something (eg, Quicken was still looking for a data file in the new D:
instead of the new E, various applications that I tested were just
fine.

However..........when I came to run applications which run on the
internet, nothing worked. Not via broadband (single port router), nor
dial up although, in the latter case, DUN appeared to correctly
connect with my dialup, judging from the modem sounds and the sys tray
icon.

I am now able to post this because, when I deleted the new (empty)
partition and OK'd Drivemapper to put all the references back to where
they had been originally, internet connections were resumed.

Long story...........

However, is there anyone out there who can explain why I lost the
ability to use my internet-based applications?

I should add that I disabled my firewall (in startup) while I went
through the above process.

I also used regedit to search for references to the empty newly-formed
partition.

In case this is relevant, I run IE6 from the unchanged C: partition,
along with Windows, but the other apps, like Eudora and Agent, would
have been affected by the move although they showed no problems in
loading correctly.

It would be great if there was a whizz out there who had a clue about
this one.

All help gratefully acknowledged.

The new partition wasn't the problem. The problem was almost certainly
DriveMapper changing a value that it *thought* was a pointer to the old D:\
drive but which actually wasn't. When a partition contains lots of apps, it's
almost impossible to successfully change the drive letter--too many pointers in
too many places, not just the Registry and a few config files. And robot apps
like DriveMapper are simply not smart enough. (Though I suppose if it first
supplies a list of proposed changes, you could wade through that to see if you
spot the false positive.)

In your case, I would recommend that you leave the partition where it is and put
your new partition after it. Or slide both C:\ and D:\ south and put the new
partition at the beginning of the disk.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"John" wrote in message
...
This problem arose during an attempt to prepare for installing XP as a
second OS in addition to Win98se.

At the outset I had a single HDD partitioned into C: and D:. Windows
98se, as you'd expect, lives in C: My applications live in D:

In preparation for when I try installing XP, I used Partition Magic to
make a new partition between the former C: and D: partitions.

Partition Magic does this and, if OK'd, uses a thing called
Drivemapper to change all the references to D: to the new partition,
E:

After this, with one or two evidences of where Drive Mapper had missed
something (eg, Quicken was still looking for a data file in the new D:
instead of the new E, various applications that I tested were just
fine.

However..........when I came to run applications which run on the
internet, nothing worked. Not via broadband (single port router), nor
dial up although, in the latter case, DUN appeared to correctly
connect with my dialup, judging from the modem sounds and the sys tray
icon.

I am now able to post this because, when I deleted the new (empty)
partition and OK'd Drivemapper to put all the references back to where
they had been originally, internet connections were resumed.

Long story...........

However, is there anyone out there who can explain why I lost the
ability to use my internet-based applications?

I should add that I disabled my firewall (in startup) while I went
through the above process.

I also used regedit to search for references to the empty newly-formed
partition.

In case this is relevant, I run IE6 from the unchanged C: partition,
along with Windows, but the other apps, like Eudora and Agent, would
have been affected by the move although they showed no problems in
loading correctly.

It would be great if there was a whizz out there who had a clue about
this one.

All help gratefully acknowledged.

John wrote in
:

This problem arose during an attempt to prepare for installing XP as a
second OS in addition to Win98se.

At the outset I had a single HDD partitioned into C: and D:. Windows
98se, as you'd expect, lives in C: My applications live in D:

In preparation for when I try installing XP, I used Partition Magic to
make a new partition between the former C: and D: partitions.

Partition Magic does this and, if OK'd, uses a thing called
Drivemapper to change all the references to D: to the new partition,
E:

After this, with one or two evidences of where Drive Mapper had missed
something (eg, Quicken was still looking for a data file in the new D:
instead of the new E, various applications that I tested were just
fine.

However..........when I came to run applications which run on the
internet, nothing worked. Not via broadband (single port router), nor
dial up although, in the latter case, DUN appeared to correctly
connect with my dialup, judging from the modem sounds and the sys tray
icon.

I am now able to post this because, when I deleted the new (empty)
partition and OK'd Drivemapper to put all the references back to where
they had been originally, internet connections were resumed.

You are fortunate that you were able to get everything back like it
was. I could tell you some horror stories about Patrion Magic... :-)
But since you did, I'd suggest adding your new partion on the end and
installing XP to E: drive.
I've been running 98 and XP on C and D for at least a couple of years
now... only problem I had was when adding another physical disk drive, it
wanted to become "D". Actually I have three 120 gig drives hooked up now,
but the 2nd and 3rd ones are formatted as "extended partitions", which
allows them to tack theirselves on to the end of the drive letters list.

--
-- Puritanism: the haunting fear that someone somewhere may be happy. --

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

The new partition wasn't the problem. The problem was almost certainly
DriveMapper changing a value that it *thought* was a pointer to the old D:\
drive but which actually wasn't. When a partition contains lots of apps, it's
almost impossible to successfully change the drive letter--too many pointers in
too many places, not just the Registry and a few config files. And robot apps
like DriveMapper are simply not smart enough. (Though I suppose if it first
supplies a list of proposed changes, you could wade through that to see if you
spot the false positive.)

In your case, I would recommend that you leave the partition where it is and put
your new partition after it. Or slide both C:\ and D:\ south and put the new
partition at the beginning of the disk.

Thanks, Gary

I've erased the as yet unused extra partition, allowed Drive Mapper to
do its evil work, and got back the use of my internet apps.

Hooray, I cried.

During my Partitioning jaunt, I had turned off my firewall and
antivirus protection.

So I turned my antiv back on and, sad to say, my internet apps could
no longer connect.

So I uninstalled antiv.

Still no joy.

So I uninstalled my firewall.

And now I'm able to communicate again.

I'm pleased at that, but its all a bit complex and I can't get my head
round it because I don't know what it is that was adversely affected
by a naughty change from D: to E: brought about by Drivemapper.

By guesswork, I presume that something to do with 'sockets' is getting
mucked up but I have no basic understanding that would help me here.

Does anyone out there know enough to guess which reg refs could have
been mucked up by both the partitioning, and the subsequent
machinations of my antiv and firewall?

I know this is awfullly mucky but any help, in addition to Gary's
successful suggestion would be most welcome.

Then I reinstalled my virus protection and lost my internet con

Menno Hershberger wrote:

You are fortunate that you were able to get everything back like it
was. I could tell you some horror stories about Patrion Magic... :-)
But since you did, I'd suggest adding your new partion on the end and
installing XP to E: drive.
I've been running 98 and XP on C and D for at least a couple of years
now... only problem I had was when adding another physical disk drive, it
wanted to become "D". Actually I have three 120 gig drives hooked up now,
but the 2nd and 3rd ones are formatted as "extended partitions", which
allows them to tack theirselves on to the end of the drive letters list.

I've used Partition Magic many times, over many years, with both win95
and 98, (without using the Drive Mapper part), and its never before
given trouble.

I got into this approach of interposing a new partition because I have
read that a new OS must be installed within 8Gb of the start of the
disc (something to do with a max cylinder restriction). I've also
been warned against mixing the two OS's in the same partition.

But thanks for the encouragement to keep trying. If tacking on the
new partition at the end will work beyond the 8Gb total will work,
then that would be just great.

I'm not expert enough in the area to suggest specific errors and their remedies.
When confronted by situations like yours, I remove ALL networking adapters,
clients, etc., including the devices themselves in Device Manager, then
reinstall and reconfigure. In your case, you would follow that with reinstalling
AV and FW. But first, go to the vendor(s) of those apps and get whatever tools
they offer for ensuring that the entire app has been eradicated from your
system. Normal uninstallers are prone to leaving a lot of crap behind, and it
gets carried right back into the mix when you reinstall.

Out of curiosity, what AV and Firewall are you running?

As for locating the specific error--I'd imagine that one could keep the geeks in
the networking NGs entertained for weeks, g.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"John" wrote in message
news
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

The new partition wasn't the problem. The problem was almost certainly
DriveMapper changing a value that it *thought* was a pointer to the old D:\
drive but which actually wasn't. When a partition contains lots of apps, it's
almost impossible to successfully change the drive letter--too many pointers
in
too many places, not just the Registry and a few config files. And robot apps
like DriveMapper are simply not smart enough. (Though I suppose if it first
supplies a list of proposed changes, you could wade through that to see if
you
spot the false positive.)

In your case, I would recommend that you leave the partition where it is and
put
your new partition after it. Or slide both C:\ and D:\ south and put the new
partition at the beginning of the disk.

Thanks, Gary

I've erased the as yet unused extra partition, allowed Drive Mapper to
do its evil work, and got back the use of my internet apps.

Hooray, I cried.

During my Partitioning jaunt, I had turned off my firewall and
antivirus protection.

So I turned my antiv back on and, sad to say, my internet apps could
no longer connect.

So I uninstalled antiv.

Still no joy.

So I uninstalled my firewall.

And now I'm able to communicate again.

I'm pleased at that, but its all a bit complex and I can't get my head
round it because I don't know what it is that was adversely affected
by a naughty change from D: to E: brought about by Drivemapper.

By guesswork, I presume that something to do with 'sockets' is getting
mucked up but I have no basic understanding that would help me here.

Does anyone out there know enough to guess which reg refs could have
been mucked up by both the partitioning, and the subsequent
machinations of my antiv and firewall?

I know this is awfullly mucky but any help, in addition to Gary's
successful suggestion would be most welcome.

Then I reinstalled my virus protection and lost my internet con

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

I'm not expert enough in the area to suggest specific errors and their remedies.
When confronted by situations like yours, I remove ALL networking adapters,
clients, etc., including the devices themselves in Device Manager, then
reinstall and reconfigure. In your case, you would follow that with reinstalling
AV and FW. But first, go to the vendor(s) of those apps and get whatever tools
they offer for ensuring that the entire app has been eradicated from your
system. Normal uninstallers are prone to leaving a lot of crap behind, and it
gets carried right back into the mix when you reinstall.

Out of curiosity, what AV and Firewall are you running?

EZ antivirus and Agnitum Outpost Pro

As for locating the specific error--I'd imagine that one could keep the geeks in
the networking NGs entertained for weeks, g.

Well I'm really grateful to you, Gary, for your help.

I don't know anything about your firewall, but this article might help with the
AV situation.
http://crm.my-etrust.com/default.asp...blem=uninstall

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"John" wrote in message
...
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

I'm not expert enough in the area to suggest specific errors and their
remedies.
When confronted by situations like yours, I remove ALL networking adapters,
clients, etc., including the devices themselves in Device Manager, then
reinstall and reconfigure. In your case, you would follow that with
reinstalling
AV and FW. But first, go to the vendor(s) of those apps and get whatever
tools
they offer for ensuring that the entire app has been eradicated from your
system. Normal uninstallers are prone to leaving a lot of crap behind, and it
gets carried right back into the mix when you reinstall.

Out of curiosity, what AV and Firewall are you running?

EZ antivirus and Agnitum Outpost Pro

As for locating the specific error--I'd imagine that one could keep the geeks
in
the networking NGs entertained for weeks, g.

Well I'm really grateful to you, Gary, for your help.

"John" wrote in message
news
Menno Hershberger wrote:

You are fortunate that you were able to get everything back like it
was. I could tell you some horror stories about Patrion Magic... :-)
But since you did, I'd suggest adding your new partion on the end and
installing XP to E: drive.
I've been running 98 and XP on C and D for at least a couple of years
now... only problem I had was when adding another physical disk drive, it
wanted to become "D". Actually I have three 120 gig drives hooked up now,
but the 2nd and 3rd ones are formatted as "extended partitions", which
allows them to tack theirselves on to the end of the drive letters list.

I've used Partition Magic many times, over many years, with both win95
and 98, (without using the Drive Mapper part), and its never before
given trouble.

I got into this approach of interposing a new partition because I have
read that a new OS must be installed within 8Gb of the start of the
disc (something to do with a max cylinder restriction). I've also
been warned against mixing the two OS's in the same partition.

But thanks for the encouragement to keep trying. If tacking on the
new partition at the end will work beyond the 8Gb total will work,
then that would be just great.

The 8GB restriction is for pre-XP stuff. XP is smart enough to understand
beyond those restrictions. The restriction you're speaking of also affects
some older boot manager versions.

My approach would be bit different. 98 partition first, then XP. Apps
would always be installed within their default locations, not in an
alternate partition. Extended partition with dos logical drive(s), I would
use for my own personal data, installation software and hardware drivers,
and imaging purposes.

I would also image my entire hard disk before installing XP.

John wrote in
:

This problem arose during an attempt to prepare for installing XP as a
second OS in addition to Win98se.

At the outset I had a single HDD partitioned into C: and D:. Windows
98se, as you'd expect, lives in C: My applications live in D:

In preparation for when I try installing XP, I used Partition Magic to
make a new partition between the former C: and D: partitions.

Partition Magic does this and, if OK'd, uses a thing called
Drivemapper to change all the references to D: to the new partition,
E:

After this, with one or two evidences of where Drive Mapper had missed
something (eg, Quicken was still looking for a data file in the new D:
instead of the new E, various applications that I tested were just
fine.

However..........when I came to run applications which run on the
internet, nothing worked. Not via broadband (single port router), nor
dial up although, in the latter case, DUN appeared to correctly
connect with my dialup, judging from the modem sounds and the sys tray
icon.

I am now able to post this because, when I deleted the new (empty)
partition and OK'd Drivemapper to put all the references back to where
they had been originally, internet connections were resumed.

Long story...........

However, is there anyone out there who can explain why I lost the
ability to use my internet-based applications?

I should add that I disabled my firewall (in startup) while I went
through the above process.

I also used regedit to search for references to the empty newly-formed
partition.

In case this is relevant, I run IE6 from the unchanged C: partition,
along with Windows, but the other apps, like Eudora and Agent, would
have been affected by the move although they showed no problems in
loading correctly.

It would be great if there was a whizz out there who had a clue about
this one.

All help gratefully acknowledged.

Can't you just format the middle partition as NTFS? W98 will not see it,
and you will not have to change anything.