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Windows Live - no more Outlook Express
Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to access Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and Vista. The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol DeltaSynch to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV. Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft problematic creation? Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others think about this... -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ |
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Windows Live - no more Outlook Express
That the last time I used a Hotmail account was ten years ago. Recommend DO
NOT use Hotmail or Live. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User www.grystmill.com "MEB" meb@not wrote in message ... Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to access Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and Vista. The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol DeltaSynch to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV. Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft problematic creation? Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others think about this... -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ |
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Windows Live - no more Outlook Express
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http://groups.google.com/group/micro...b191d2ef1c9614 No, Windows Live Mail is NOT supported in Win9x. -- ~PA Bear MEB wrote: Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to access Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and Vista. The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol DeltaSynch to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV. Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft problematic creation? Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others think about this... |
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Windows Live - no more Outlook Express
Same here, just about coincident with the time it was
purchased by MS and started to require java, every cookie and script in the book to access and use the site. "Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message ... That the last time I used a Hotmail account was ten years ago. Recommend DO NOT use Hotmail or Live. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User www.grystmill.com "MEB" meb@not wrote in message ... Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to access Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and Vista. The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol DeltaSynch to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV. Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft problematic creation? Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others think about this... -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ |
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Windows Live - no more Outlook Express
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message ... | cf. | http://groups.google.com/group/micro...b191d2ef1c9614 | | No, Windows Live Mail is NOT supported in Win9x. | -- | ~PA Bear Okay, we discussed a year or so ago the Live Mail issue. So perhaps it might be advisable to include HERE some of the purported information pulled from the threads PA referenced. --------- Hello All, I wanted to take some time to address the concerns/questions that have started on this thread. Microsoft is doing this to force people onto the client: False. We are doing this because the DAV protocol is inefficient on larger mailbox sizes. Once Hotmail upgrade storage space synchronization issues happen within DAV. DeltaSynch is a stable protocol that will be able to efficiently handle large accounts. This locks people into a Microsoft client to access Hotmail: False. Hotmail customers are able to utilize POP3, or as mentioned below, other clients such as Thunderbird. Though Live Mail is optimized for usage against Hotmail, it is not the single choice for connection. You will also be able to continue full access through your browser. Does this affect Live Hotmail and Outlook Connector - Yes. Any user utilizing Outlook connector 1.8 or earlier will need to upgrade to the new OLC. Live Mail is currently DeltaSynch ready and Live Hotmail is available through your browser. ----- Scott Hammer Sr. Supportability Program Manager Windows Live Mail Technologies Microsoft Corporation ------- end post Subject: ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Expre To correct myself... Hotmail customers are able to utilize POP3, or as mentioned below, other clients such as Thunderbird. I meant Hotmail PLUS customers are able to utilize POP3 as they currently do... --- Scott Hammer Sr. Support Program Manager Windows Live Mail Technologies Microsoft Corporation ---- So PA how do I pull all the legal documents, court notices, and other contained upon and within my specifically created hotmail/live, registered with the government account, WITHOUT the materials being destroyed in the process? | | MEB wrote: | Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to access | Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and Vista. | The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol DeltaSynch | to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV. | Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft problematic | creation? | | Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others think | about this... | -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ |
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Windows Live - no more Outlook Express
What I know is that I've been using Hotmail and accessing it via Outlook
Express for over a decade now. I seldom ever use any web based email account via the browser except for accounts setup specifically to give a valid email account when registering at a site etc. (gmail etc.) as I never give out my actual ISP email address (and hence get basically no spam in it). What is nice about OE interface is that I get a local copy on my pc of the email. That means I can easily move it into another folder and eventually it gets saved to cd during periodic backup. Now I'll be "forced" to basically forward Hotmail email to my isp email account for saving. That's better way!!!??? My own take on things is that MS eventually wants all their software to be "downloaded as required" with as little as possible kept on local pc. Well have some "stub" for (as example) Word and when we go to start it the actual software will be downloaded as needed so we can be billed for it's use every time that happens. This Live crap is the harbinger of that design, e.g. get people used to it first, slowly creep it into mindset etc. "MEB" meb@not wrote in message ... Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to access Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and Vista. The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol DeltaSynch to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV. Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft problematic creation? Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others think about this... -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ |
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Windows Live - no more Outlook Express
PS: If you're a Windows Live Hotmail Plus subscriber *and* access your
Hotmail account in OE via POP3, this policy change will NOT affect you. -- ~PA Bear PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: cf. http://groups.google.com/group/micro...b191d2ef1c9614 No, Windows Live Mail is NOT supported in Win9x. MEB wrote: Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to access Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and Vista. The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol DeltaSynch to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV. Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft problematic creation? Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others think about this... |
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Windows Live - no more Outlook Express
[Crossposted to the little-trafficked Internet Mail (which is supposedly
being monitored by the Windows Live Mail team now) and Win98.OE newsgroups for widest exposure.] So PA how do I pull all the legal documents, court notices, and other contained upon and within my specifically created hotmail/live, registered with the government account, WITHOUT the materials being destroyed in the process? Actually, Win9x users have a few choices he 1. You'll still be able to access your email archive via the webmail page after 30 June 2008. IOW your data won't be deleted there (unless the account hasn't been accessed for XX days). 2a. You can Copy or Move all Hotmail messages to one or more local OE folders for archiving prior to 30 June 2008. [Do NOT use the OE local folders Inbox, Sent Items, or Deleted Items folders for archiving ANYTHING!] 2b. OE Tools | Accounts | Mail | [Hotmail] | Properties | General | Include this account when sending or synchronizing If you disable the above option /prior to 30 June 2008/, OE will not attempt to sync with the WebDAV server again; therefore your Hotmail messages and folders in OE won't/can't be deleted by the (non-existant) server. eg NB: If you attempt to send a message using your Hotmail account or poll the account for new messages, OE *will* attempt to synchronize with the (non-existant) WebDAV server and all your data *will* be deleted from OE! 3. Prior to 30 June 2008: a. subscribe to Windows Live Hotmail Plus (US$19.95/year; not available in all countries); *and* b. make sure you're accessing the Hotmail account in OE via POP3 (cf. http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com...0CA!171.entry). =============== Windows Live Hotmail Support & FAQ https://support.live.com/eform.aspx?...ail&ct=eformts -- ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net DTS-L http://dts-l.net/ MEB wrote: PA Bear wrote: cf. http://groups.google.com/group/micro...b191d2ef1c9614 No, Windows Live Mail is NOT supported in Win9x. Okay, we discussed a year or so ago the Live Mail issue. So perhaps it might be advisable to include HERE some of the purported information pulled from the threads PA referenced. snip cf. http://groups.google.com/group/micro...fd442cf4ac054e cf. http://groups.google.com/group/micro...4a99b1322267f3 /snip So PA how do I pull all the legal documents, court notices, and other contained upon and within my specifically created hotmail/live, registered with the government account, WITHOUT the materials being destroyed in the process? MEB wrote: Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to access Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and Vista. The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol DeltaSynch to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV. Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft problematic creation? Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others think about this... |
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Windows Live - no more Outlook Express
PA is correct. There is also a migration that will happen when you install
WLM from Oe that should take care of this as well. -s -- Scott Hammer Sr. Support Program Manager Windows Live Mail Technologies Microsoft Corporation "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message ... [Crossposted to the little-trafficked Internet Mail (which is supposedly being monitored by the Windows Live Mail team now) and Win98.OE newsgroups for widest exposure.] So PA how do I pull all the legal documents, court notices, and other contained upon and within my specifically created hotmail/live, registered with the government account, WITHOUT the materials being destroyed in the process? Actually, Win9x users have a few choices he 1. You'll still be able to access your email archive via the webmail page after 30 June 2008. IOW your data won't be deleted there (unless the account hasn't been accessed for XX days). 2a. You can Copy or Move all Hotmail messages to one or more local OE folders for archiving prior to 30 June 2008. [Do NOT use the OE local folders Inbox, Sent Items, or Deleted Items folders for archiving ANYTHING!] 2b. OE Tools | Accounts | Mail | [Hotmail] | Properties | General | Include this account when sending or synchronizing If you disable the above option /prior to 30 June 2008/, OE will not attempt to sync with the WebDAV server again; therefore your Hotmail messages and folders in OE won't/can't be deleted by the (non-existant) server. eg NB: If you attempt to send a message using your Hotmail account or poll the account for new messages, OE *will* attempt to synchronize with the (non-existant) WebDAV server and all your data *will* be deleted from OE! 3. Prior to 30 June 2008: a. subscribe to Windows Live Hotmail Plus (US$19.95/year; not available in all countries); *and* b. make sure you're accessing the Hotmail account in OE via POP3 (cf. http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com...0CA!171.entry). =============== Windows Live Hotmail Support & FAQ https://support.live.com/eform.aspx?...ail&ct=eformts -- ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net DTS-L http://dts-l.net/ MEB wrote: PA Bear wrote: cf. http://groups.google.com/group/micro...b191d2ef1c9614 No, Windows Live Mail is NOT supported in Win9x. Okay, we discussed a year or so ago the Live Mail issue. So perhaps it might be advisable to include HERE some of the purported information pulled from the threads PA referenced. snip cf. http://groups.google.com/group/micro...fd442cf4ac054e cf. http://groups.google.com/group/micro...4a99b1322267f3 /snip So PA how do I pull all the legal documents, court notices, and other contained upon and within my specifically created hotmail/live, registered with the government account, WITHOUT the materials being destroyed in the process? MEB wrote: Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to access Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and Vista. The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol DeltaSynch to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV. Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft problematic creation? Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others think about this... |
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Windows Live - no more Outlook Express
Continuing the crosspost to microsoft.public.internet.mail,
microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion, and microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroups. NB: This thread originated in microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion newsgroup and is a Win9x-specific discussion Windows Live Mail is not supported in Win9x. -- ~PA Bear Windows Live Mail Technologies Support wrote: PA is correct. There is also a migration that will happen when you install WLM from Oe that should take care of this as well. -s [Crossposted to the little-trafficked Internet Mail (which is supposedly being monitored by the Windows Live Mail team now) and Win98.OE newsgroups for widest exposure.] So PA how do I pull all the legal documents, court notices, and other contained upon and within my specifically created hotmail/live, registered with the government account, WITHOUT the materials being destroyed in the process? Actually, Win9x users have a few choices he 1. You'll still be able to access your email archive via the webmail page after 30 June 2008. IOW your data won't be deleted there (unless the account hasn't been accessed for XX days). 2a. You can Copy or Move all Hotmail messages to one or more local OE folders for archiving prior to 30 June 2008. [Do NOT use the OE local folders Inbox, Sent Items, or Deleted Items folders for archiving ANYTHING!] 2b. OE Tools | Accounts | Mail | [Hotmail] | Properties | General | Include this account when sending or synchronizing If you disable the above option /prior to 30 June 2008/, OE will not attempt to sync with the WebDAV server again; therefore your Hotmail messages and folders in OE won't/can't be deleted by the (non-existant) server. eg NB: If you attempt to send a message using your Hotmail account or poll the account for new messages, OE *will* attempt to synchronize with the (non-existant) WebDAV server and all your data *will* be deleted from OE! 3. Prior to 30 June 2008: a. subscribe to Windows Live Hotmail Plus (US$19.95/year; not available in all countries); *and* b. make sure you're accessing the Hotmail account in OE via POP3 (cf. http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com...0CA!171.entry). =============== Windows Live Hotmail Support & FAQ https://support.live.com/eform.aspx?...ail&ct=eformts -- ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net DTS-L http://dts-l.net/ MEB wrote: PA Bear wrote: cf. http://groups.google.com/group/micro...b191d2ef1c9614 No, Windows Live Mail is NOT supported in Win9x. Okay, we discussed a year or so ago the Live Mail issue. So perhaps it might be advisable to include HERE some of the purported information pulled from the threads PA referenced. snip cf. http://groups.google.com/group/micro...fd442cf4ac054e cf. http://groups.google.com/group/micro...4a99b1322267f3 /snip So PA how do I pull all the legal documents, court notices, and other contained upon and within my specifically created hotmail/live, registered with the government account, WITHOUT the materials being destroyed in the process? MEB wrote: Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to access Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and Vista. The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol DeltaSynch to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV. Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft problematic creation? Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others think about this... |
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