Windows Live - no more Outlook Express

Nope, still waiting for Scott or Live to respond...

Not a windmill PA, but a real possibility. Particularly as Microsoft is
attempting the take over of Yahoo. Might have bearing with the FTC as well.

Microsoft isn't god after all...Injunctions have been issued for far less
than what is presently proposed.

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

"PCR" wrote in message
...
| PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
| | If he's still running Win98, he /will/ lose access to all Hotmail
| | folders in OE after 30 June 2008, as will anyone else running Win9x
| | or Win2K. Those running WinXP have several options.
|
| Uh-oh-- that's no Cervantes windmill, then! But you &/or Hammer told him
| how to save it, right? (I didn't quite get it.)
|
| | PCR wrote:
| | PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
| | Prolly tilting at another windmill.
| |
| | Well, I don't know enough about Windows Live to say whether he faces
| | a real problem with the new MS policy. (I never used it, & it looks
| | to be too complex to quickly fathom.) Sounds like he's got a lot of
| | data he fears he may lose. It's in yours & Hammer's hands! And MEB's!
| |
| | PCR wrote:
| | PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
| | MEB wrote:
| | snip
| | Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE news
| | group [soon to be defunct apparently]...
| |
| | Neither OE nor the OE newsgroups are "soon to be defunct."
| |
| | Although MS stopped all development of OE in 2006 (...), support
| | for OE (i.e., critical security updates) will continue as long as
| | the OS in which OE is running is supported. Although
| | (twice-)Extended Support for Win9x ended in July 2006, WinXP SP3
| | will be supported through 2014.
| |
| | That being said and although MS has said nothing publically about
| | this, I wouldn't be surprised if the little-trafficked
| | microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroup
| | disappeared from the MS newsserver soon.
| |
| | PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent
| | him to oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped
| | NG!!??
| |
| | --
| | OE-specific newsgroup:
| |
| news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...xpress.general
| |
| | ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
| | MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| Should things get worse after this,
| PCR
|
|
|

And, since I didn't quite catch this part, the way to do that is to what,
"move" or "copy" them to local OE folders? Or is HM/Live so screwed up that
even that doesn't work?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
If he's still running Win98, he /will/ lose access to all Hotmail folders
in OE after 30 June 2008, as will anyone else running Win9x or Win2K.
Those running WinXP have several options.

PCR wrote:
PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
Prolly tilting at another windmill.

Well, I don't know enough about Windows Live to say whether he faces a
real problem with the new MS policy. (I never used it, & it looks to be
too complex to quickly fathom.) Sounds like he's got a lot of data he
fears he may lose. It's in yours & Hammer's hands! And MEB's!

PCR wrote:
PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
MEB wrote:
snip
Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE news
group [soon to be defunct apparently]...

Neither OE nor the OE newsgroups are "soon to be defunct."

Although MS stopped all development of OE in 2006 (...), support for
OE (i.e., critical security updates) will continue as long as the OS
in which OE is running is supported. Although (twice-)Extended
Support for Win9x ended in July 2006, WinXP SP3 will be supported
through 2014.

That being said and although MS has said nothing publically about
this, I wouldn't be surprised if the little-trafficked
microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroup disappeared
from the MS newsserver soon.

PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent him
to oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped NG!!??

--
OE-specific newsgroup:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...xpress.general

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

Make a local folder for the purpose and drag the to it.

"Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message
...
And, since I didn't quite catch this part, the way to do that is to what,
"move" or "copy" them to local OE folders? Or is HM/Live so screwed up
that even that doesn't work?

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
If he's still running Win98, he /will/ lose access to all Hotmail folders
in OE after 30 June 2008, as will anyone else running Win9x or Win2K.
Those running WinXP have several options.

PCR wrote:
PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
Prolly tilting at another windmill.

Well, I don't know enough about Windows Live to say whether he faces a
real problem with the new MS policy. (I never used it, & it looks to be
too complex to quickly fathom.) Sounds like he's got a lot of data he
fears he may lose. It's in yours & Hammer's hands! And MEB's!

PCR wrote:
PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
MEB wrote:
snip
Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE news
group [soon to be defunct apparently]...

Neither OE nor the OE newsgroups are "soon to be defunct."

Although MS stopped all development of OE in 2006 (...), support for
OE (i.e., critical security updates) will continue as long as the OS
in which OE is running is supported. Although (twice-)Extended
Support for Win9x ended in July 2006, WinXP SP3 will be supported
through 2014.

That being said and although MS has said nothing publically about
this, I wouldn't be surprised if the little-trafficked
microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroup disappeared
from the MS newsserver soon.

PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent him
to oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped NG!!??

--
OE-specific newsgroup:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...xpress.general

"MEB" meb@not wrote in
:

Nope, still waiting for Scott or Live to respond...

I hope you are a VERY patient man.

Not a windmill PA, but a real possibility. Particularly as
Microsoft is
attempting the take over of Yahoo. Might have bearing with
the FTC as well.

Microsoft isn't god after all...Injunctions have been
issued for far less
than what is presently proposed.

You either have me KF'd or decided to just not to reply to
anything I say, but I will say this anyway:

Nothing would please me more than a successful class-action suit
by millions and millions of Hotmail users against MS. However I
believe that the user agreement clearly states (as they ALL do)
that the service is provided with no guarantees of /any/ kind.
(Although even if it DID come with a guarantee I would still not
keep my mail on it.)

Of course, they make you sign a similar statement when you check
into a hospital, so it may be a legally invalid clause due to it
becoming as commonplace as to render it meaningless in RL.



--
Of course, it is no easy matter to be polite; in so far, I mean,
as it requires us to show great respect for everybody, whereas
most people deserve none at all; and again in so far as it
demands that we should feign the most lively interest in people,
when we must be very glad that we have nothing to do with them.

- Arthur Schopenhauer

What Frank said: Simply drag, Move, or Copy the Hotmail messages to one or
more local OE folders created for this purpose.

Dragging or Moving the messages will move Hotmail's copies to Hotmail's
Deleted Items folder by default.

Tip: Do NOT use OE's default Inbox or any other default OE folder for
archiving messages.
--
~Robear


Gary S. Terhune wrote:
And, since I didn't quite catch this part, the way to do that is to what,
"move" or "copy" them to local OE folders? Or is HM/Live so screwed up
that
even that doesn't work?

If he's still running Win98, he /will/ lose access to all Hotmail folders
in OE after 30 June 2008, as will anyone else running Win9x or Win2K.
Those running WinXP have several options.

Prolly tilting at another windmill.
snip
PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent him
to oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped NG!!??

And that works whether you're a paying member or not?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM" wrote in message
...
Make a local folder for the purpose and drag the to it.

"Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message
...
And, since I didn't quite catch this part, the way to do that is to what,
"move" or "copy" them to local OE folders? Or is HM/Live so screwed up
that even that doesn't work?

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
If he's still running Win98, he /will/ lose access to all Hotmail
folders in OE after 30 June 2008, as will anyone else running Win9x or
Win2K. Those running WinXP have several options.

PCR wrote:
PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
Prolly tilting at another windmill.

Well, I don't know enough about Windows Live to say whether he faces a
real problem with the new MS policy. (I never used it, & it looks to be
too complex to quickly fathom.) Sounds like he's got a lot of data he
fears he may lose. It's in yours & Hammer's hands! And MEB's!

PCR wrote:
PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
MEB wrote:
snip
Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE news
group [soon to be defunct apparently]...

Neither OE nor the OE newsgroups are "soon to be defunct."

Although MS stopped all development of OE in 2006 (...), support for
OE (i.e., critical security updates) will continue as long as the OS
in which OE is running is supported. Although (twice-)Extended
Support for Win9x ended in July 2006, WinXP SP3 will be supported
through 2014.

That being said and although MS has said nothing publically about
this, I wouldn't be surprised if the little-trafficked
microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroup disappeared
from the MS newsserver soon.

PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent him
to oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped NG!!??

--
OE-specific newsgroup:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...xpress.general

I'll use this one for response [as the rest are basically the same
suggestions].

Sorry, this doesn't work for these accounts, which Live is well aware of.

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________


"Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM" wrote in message
...
| Make a local folder for the purpose and drag the to it.
|
| "Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message
| ...
| And, since I didn't quite catch this part, the way to do that is to
what,
| "move" or "copy" them to local OE folders? Or is HM/Live so screwed up
| that even that doesn't work?
|
| "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
| ...
| If he's still running Win98, he /will/ lose access to all Hotmail
folders
| in OE after 30 June 2008, as will anyone else running Win9x or Win2K.
| Those running WinXP have several options.
|
| PCR wrote:
| PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
| Prolly tilting at another windmill.
|
| Well, I don't know enough about Windows Live to say whether he faces a
| real problem with the new MS policy. (I never used it, & it looks to
be
| too complex to quickly fathom.) Sounds like he's got a lot of data he
| fears he may lose. It's in yours & Hammer's hands! And MEB's!
|
| PCR wrote:
| PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
| MEB wrote:
| snip
| Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE news
| group [soon to be defunct apparently]...
|
| Neither OE nor the OE newsgroups are "soon to be defunct."
|
| Although MS stopped all development of OE in 2006 (...), support
for
| OE (i.e., critical security updates) will continue as long as the
OS
| in which OE is running is supported. Although (twice-)Extended
| Support for Win9x ended in July 2006, WinXP SP3 will be supported
| through 2014.
|
| That being said and although MS has said nothing publically about
| this, I wouldn't be surprised if the little-trafficked
| microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroup
disappeared
| from the MS newsserver soon.
|
| PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent him
| to oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped NG!!??
|
| --
| OE-specific newsgroup:
| news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...xpress.general
|

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
| Apples and oranges: It does work if the messages are available in (have
been
| downloaded to) the Hotmail-in-OE folders, Maurice. The fact that
| some/many/most of yours are not available has nothing to do with this
| functionality.
| --
| ~PA Bear

Ah but it does to those millions of users {per Scott} that may presently
have linked accounts, which may have used the accounts as a repository,
which apparently will no longer have that access UNLESS they use XP SP2 or
VISTA.

Remember, this ISN'T Microsoft's OS, or its EMAIL client, or anything
related. It IS a publicly offered SERVICE, in which millions of users may
now be unduly affected by the change, with NO WAY presently provided by the
service to remove their property.

As for your SOL,, or even the service agreement presentation,, these are
written by attorney's to disuade suits. They are not "iron plate", nor
"bullet proof".

|
| MEB wrote:
| Sorry, this doesn't work for these accounts, which Live is well aware
of.
|
| Make a local folder for the purpose and drag the to it.
|
| And, since I didn't quite catch this part, the way to do that is to
| what,
| "move" or "copy" them to local OE folders? Or is HM/Live so screwed up
| that even that doesn't work?
|
| If he's still running Win98, he /will/ lose access to all Hotmail
| folders
| in OE after 30 June 2008, as will anyone else running Win9x or Win2K.
| Those running WinXP have several options.
|
--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

Thank you, gentlemen.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
Yes, at least until after 30 June 2008 when all Hotmail messages and
folders will disappear (in OE only) when/if OE attempts to synchronize
with the non-existant WebDAV servers.

NB: If you uncheck "Include this account when receiving mail and
synchronizing" in OE Tools | Accounts | Mail | Hotmail | Properties |
General by 30 June 2008 and do NOT attempt to synchronize with the Hotmail
servers manually (via Send/Receive dropdown menu), the messages and
folders /should/ not be affected.
--
~Robear


Gary S. Terhune wrote:
And that works whether you're a paying member or not?


"Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM" wrote in
message
...
Make a local folder for the purpose and drag the to it.

"Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message
...
And, since I didn't quite catch this part, the way to do that is to
what,
"move" or "copy" them to local OE folders? Or is HM/Live so screwed up
that even that doesn't work?

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
If he's still running Win98, he /will/ lose access to all Hotmail
folders in OE after 30 June 2008, as will anyone else running Win9x or
Win2K. Those running WinXP have several options.

PCR wrote:
PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
Prolly tilting at another windmill.

Well, I don't know enough about Windows Live to say whether he faces
a
real problem with the new MS policy. (I never used it, & it looks to
be
too complex to quickly fathom.) Sounds like he's got a lot of data he
fears he may lose. It's in yours & Hammer's hands! And MEB's!

PCR wrote:
PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
MEB wrote:
snip
Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE news
group [soon to be defunct apparently]...

Neither OE nor the OE newsgroups are "soon to be defunct."

Although MS stopped all development of OE in 2006 (...), support
for
OE (i.e., critical security updates) will continue as long as the
OS
in which OE is running is supported. Although (twice-)Extended
Support for Win9x ended in July 2006, WinXP SP3 will be supported
through 2014.

That being said and although MS has said nothing publically about
this, I wouldn't be surprised if the little-trafficked
microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroup
disappeared
from the MS newsserver soon.

PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent
him
to oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped NG!!??

--
OE-specific newsgroup:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...xpress.general

MEB wrote:
| Nope, still waiting for Scott or Live to respond...

Ah! There you are! My apologies to Bear & Hammer for thinking they may
have done you in! And I hope you discover how to migrate your files too.

| Not a windmill PA, but a real possibility. Particularly as Microsoft
| is attempting the take over of Yahoo. Might have bearing with the FTC
| as well.

I realized afterward it was a class action lawsuit that Bear referred to
as a windmill. OK. I'm not sure-- didn't they say how to download your
files/E-Mails?

| Microsoft isn't god after all...Injunctions have been issued for far
| less than what is presently proposed.

It looks like that contract of MS's regarding the software is ironclad,
unless thanatoid or you have a point. (Maybe you do.) But can't you just
get your files?

| --
| MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| --
| _________
|
| "PCR" wrote in message
| ...
|| PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
|| | If he's still running Win98, he /will/ lose access to all Hotmail
|| | folders in OE after 30 June 2008, as will anyone else running Win9x
|| | or Win2K. Those running WinXP have several options.
||
|| Uh-oh-- that's no Cervantes windmill, then! But you &/or Hammer told
|| him how to save it, right? (I didn't quite get it.)
||
|| | PCR wrote:
|| | PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
|| | Prolly tilting at another windmill.
|| |
|| | Well, I don't know enough about Windows Live to say whether he
|| | faces a real problem with the new MS policy. (I never used it, &
|| | it looks to be too complex to quickly fathom.) Sounds like he's
|| | got a lot of data he fears he may lose. It's in yours & Hammer's
|| | hands! And MEB's!
|| |
|| | PCR wrote:
|| | PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
|| | MEB wrote:
|| | snip
|| | Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE
|| | news group [soon to be defunct apparently]...
|| |
|| | Neither OE nor the OE newsgroups are "soon to be defunct."
|| |
|| | Although MS stopped all development of OE in 2006 (...),
|| | support for OE (i.e., critical security updates) will continue
|| | as long as the OS in which OE is running is supported.
|| | Although (twice-)Extended Support for Win9x ended in July
|| | 2006, WinXP SP3 will be supported through 2014.
|| |
|| | That being said and although MS has said nothing publically
|| | about this, I wouldn't be surprised if the little-trafficked
|| | microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroup
|| | disappeared from the MS newsserver soon.
|| |
|| | PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent
|| | him to oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped
|| | NG!!??
|| |
|| | --
|| | OE-specific newsgroup:
|| |
|| news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...xpress.general
|| |
|| | ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
|| | MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since
|| | 2002
||
|| --
|| Thanks or Good Luck,
|| There may be humor in this post, and,
|| Naturally, you will not sue,
|| Should things get worse after this,
|| PCR
||

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR