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Rhyme but no Reason to System Restore points deletion
'opefully there is still time for me to learn to control our WinMe
computer. I've noticed since I got to messing around with it, that System Restore points dissappearing for no reason I was aware of. I don't run some of the Disk Cleaning Utilities nearly as much as I used to. I used to Defragment alot (every night) because I had seen how disk (file) fragmentation can degrade system response time. Back then I never used System Restore points - was barely aware they existed. It also seemed I never needed them. Nowadays things have changed (Dunno why / wish I did) System Restore points can really save your system. In these circumstances, I am pretty sure that the Defragment utility destroys Restore points. Can some one please clarify this situation? HTH Bob from Oceanside |
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Rhyme but no Reason to System Restore points deletion
Bob wrote: 'opefully there is still time for me to learn to control our WinMe computer. I've noticed since I got to messing around with it, that System Restore points dissappearing for no reason I was aware of. One good reason for this is obviously your messing about I don't run some of the Disk Cleaning Utilities nearly as much as I used to. I used to Defragment alot (every night) because I had seen how disk (file) fragmentation can degrade system response time. Back then I never used System Restore points - was barely aware they existed. It also seemed I never needed them. Nowadays things have changed (Dunno why / wish I did) System Restore points can really save your system. In these circumstances, I am pretty sure that the Defragment utility destroys Restore points. Can some one please clarify this situation? Answer. Stop fiddling g and instead explain exactly what is happening. You have provided no details, no error messages, nothing other than admitting you fiddled with your system and that system restore now no longer works. Meanwhile may I suggest you try the following quick test the results of which might give a clue as to what is happening. a) Create a shortcut on your desktop to a file. b) Create a manual checkpoint Could you create a checkpoint? c) Delete the shortcut d) Restore your PC to the checkpoint you created. Was the shortcut restored? Did you see any error messages? e) Reboot your PC Was the checkpoint retained? -- Mike Maltby |
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Rhyme but no Reason to System Restore points deletion
"Mike M" wrote in message ... Bob wrote: 'opefully there is still time for me to learn to control our WinMe computer. I've noticed since I got to messing around with it, that System Restore points dissappearing for no reason I was aware of. One good reason for this is obviously your messing about I don't run some of the Disk Cleaning Utilities nearly as much as I used to. I used to Defragment alot (every night) because I had seen how disk (file) fragmentation can degrade system response time. Back then I never used System Restore points - was barely aware they existed. It also seemed I never needed them. Nowadays things have changed (Dunno why / wish I did) System Restore points can really save your system. In these circumstances, I am pretty sure that the Defragment utility destroys Restore points. Can some one please clarify this situation? Answer. Stop fiddling g and instead explain exactly what is happening. You have provided no details, no error messages, nothing other than admitting you fiddled with your system and that system restore now no longer works. Meanwhile may I suggest you try the following quick test the results of which might give a clue as to what is happening. a) Create a shortcut on your desktop to a file. b) Create a manual checkpoint Could you create a checkpoint? c) Delete the shortcut d) Restore your PC to the checkpoint you created. Was the shortcut restored? Did you see any error messages? e) Reboot your PC Was the checkpoint retained? Don't mean to interfere, Mike, but oddly enough the same thing happened to me after my last defragmentation with 'Diskeeper Light', I lost all of my restore points and only realized the reason, when reading this post. I followed your recommended procedure and was unable to retain the checkpoint, the shortcut remained in the recycle bin and was not reproduced on the desktop.. There were no error messages and the reboot is automatic. Nothing else seems to be wrong. H. -- Mike Maltby |
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Rhyme but no Reason to System Restore points deletion
Harry,
I personally doubt that running diskeeper light has much to do with your problem otherwise we would have seen many such reports over the last eight years. Defragging a system doesn't delete files from the system restore archive. You say you were unable to retain a checkpoint after rebooting your system. Something else is at play here, probably something you run each time you boot your system but in the absence of information I'll leave it to you to establish what that might be. shortcut remained in the recycle bin As I would expect. System Restore has no interest in the recycle bin nor its contents. Restored files are not restored from the recycle bin but rather from the system restore archive. -- Mike Maltby webster72n wrote: Don't mean to interfere, Mike, but oddly enough the same thing happened to me after my last defragmentation with 'Diskeeper Light', I lost all of my restore points and only realized the reason, when reading this post. I followed your recommended procedure and was unable to retain the checkpoint, the shortcut remained in the recycle bin and was not reproduced on the desktop.. There were no error messages and the reboot is automatic. Nothing else seems to be wrong. H. |
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Rhyme but no Reason to System Restore points deletion
"Mike M" wrote in message ... Harry, I personally doubt that running diskeeper light has much to do with your problem otherwise we would have seen many such reports over the last eight years. Defragging a system doesn't delete files from the system restore archive. You say you were unable to retain a checkpoint after rebooting your system. My mistake, I phrased it wrong: I was unable to retain the shortcut within the checkpoint, it stayed in the recycle bin. Since I don't have any problems creating a System CheckPoint and System Restore works fine otherwise, I'll have to be on the look-out for any inconsistencies in this area. Thanks for the enlightenment, Mike. Harry. Something else is at play here, probably something you run each time you boot your system but in the absence of information I'll leave it to you to establish what that might be. shortcut remained in the recycle bin As I would expect. System Restore has no interest in the recycle bin nor its contents. Restored files are not restored from the recycle bin but rather from the system restore archive. -- Mike Maltby webster72n wrote: Don't mean to interfere, Mike, but oddly enough the same thing happened to me after my last defragmentation with 'Diskeeper Light', I lost all of my restore points and only realized the reason, when reading this post. I followed your recommended procedure and was unable to retain the checkpoint, the shortcut remained in the recycle bin and was not reproduced on the desktop.. There were no error messages and the reboot is automatic. Nothing else seems to be wrong. H. |
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Rhyme but no Reason to System Restore points deletion
At the risk of repeating myself THE RECYCLE BIN HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH
SYSTEM RESTORE. System Restore does not use the recycle bin, it does not undelete files from the recycle bin. After eight years I would have hoped that you would know this. My mistake, I phrased it wrong: I was unable to retain the shortcut within the checkpoint, it stayed in the recycle bin. Nonsensical. A checkpoint is exactly that, a snapshot frozen in time of the state of the system at that point. So if snapshot/checkpoint "A" was made when the shortcut/file or whatever was present, then if subsequently the shortcut or file is deleted, restoring to snapshot/checkpoint "A" will restore the deleted file or shortcut regardless of whether it is in the recycle bin PROVIDED that the file is a) of a type monitored by system restore (and shortcuts are) and b) the file/shortcut is in a monitored location such as the desktop unless you have chosen to modify filelist.xml and exclude that location. -- Mike Maltby webster72n wrote: My mistake, I phrased it wrong: I was unable to retain the shortcut within the checkpoint, it stayed in the recycle bin. Since I don't have any problems creating a System CheckPoint and System Restore works fine otherwise, I'll have to be on the look-out for any inconsistencies in this area. Thanks for the enlightenment, Mike. |
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Rhyme but no Reason to System Restore points deletion
"Mike M" wrote in message ... At the risk of repeating myself THE RECYCLE BIN HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SYSTEM RESTORE. System Restore does not use the recycle bin, it does not undelete files from the recycle bin. After eight years I would have hoped that you would know this. My mistake, I phrased it wrong: I was unable to retain the shortcut within the checkpoint, it stayed in the recycle bin. Nonsensical. A checkpoint is exactly that, a snapshot frozen in time of the state of the system at that point. So if snapshot/checkpoint "A" was made when the shortcut/file or whatever was present, then if subsequently the shortcut or file is deleted, restoring to snapshot/checkpoint "A" will restore the deleted file or shortcut regardless of whether it is in the recycle bin PROVIDED that the file is a) of a type monitored by system restore (and shortcuts are) and b) the file/shortcut is in a monitored location such as the desktop unless you have chosen to modify filelist.xml and exclude that location. Did I pick the wrong subject for the shortcut (Google website)? I don't go into details, as modifying filelist.xml and the like. -- Mike Maltby webster72n wrote: My mistake, I phrased it wrong: I was unable to retain the shortcut within the checkpoint, it stayed in the recycle bin. Since I don't have any problems creating a System CheckPoint and System Restore works fine otherwise, I'll have to be on the look-out for any inconsistencies in this area. Thanks for the enlightenment, Mike. |
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Rhyme but no Reason to System Restore points deletion
Did I pick the wrong subject for the shortcut (Google website)?
Yes, Shortcuts to a file or folder have a (hidden) LNK extension whereas those to sites have a (hidden) URL extension. System Restore only monitors LNK files, not URL files as it has no interest in user data, That is why, in my initial post, I stated "a) Create a shortcut on your desktop to a file" rather than a shortcut to an internet location or site Repeating myself briefly. Create shortcut Create checkpoint to a file on the system Delete shortcut Rollback to checkpoint The checkpoint should now be restored. -- Mike Maltby webster72n wrote: Did I pick the wrong subject for the shortcut (Google website)? I don't go into details, as modifying filelist.xml and the like. |
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Rhyme but no Reason to System Restore points deletion
Correction (Thanks G or perhaps that should be webster999)
Create checkpoint to a file on the system should, of course, have read Create SHORTCUT to a file on the system. Se what you're doing to me now Harry? I just can't even think straight any more! vbg -- Mike Maltby Mike M wrote: Did I pick the wrong subject for the shortcut (Google website)? Yes, Shortcuts to a file or folder have a (hidden) LNK extension whereas those to sites have a (hidden) URL extension. System Restore only monitors LNK files, not URL files as it has no interest in user data, That is why, in my initial post, I stated "a) Create a shortcut on your desktop to a file" rather than a shortcut to an internet location or site Repeating myself briefly. Create shortcut Create checkpoint to a file on the system Delete shortcut Rollback to checkpoint The checkpoint should now be restored. Did I pick the wrong subject for the shortcut (Google website)? I don't go into details, as modifying filelist.xml and the like. |
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