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Old October 8th 06, 08:55 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
ms
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Default Working with BING

Subject: Everest Report
Date: 8 Oct 2006 19:17:10 GMT
From: ms
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion

ms wrote in :

"PCR" wrote in news:uIugB5v6GHA.2364
@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:


But what does this line mean, then? Has it changed...?...

Primary Master User 7921 MB ....LBA

... If so, to what? If it now says "Auto" there, does it still say
just 7921 MB? Is it still LBA? Could be you also need to delete those
empty partitions you've got before the BIOS will detect the hard
drive right. But I just don't know, not for sure.

Good news

In my BING screen "Work with Partitions", I created 4 FAT32 partitions.
They completely use the 10 GB hard drive, no free space.

The first 3 are listed in the screen with names including ANP, the last
one is MBR Entry 3. There is no indication the first partition is active.
Does BING do that automatically?

When I created the last partition, it went OK. When it completed
formatting and error checking, looked OK but now at the top of the screen
is the legend "errors exist". I looked in Properties in each partition,
no error notation.

Comment?

ms
  #2  
Old October 8th 06, 09:01 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
ms
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Sorry, editing

This post should read:
In my BING screen "Work with Partitions", I created 4 FAT32
partitions. They completely use the 10 GB hard drive, no free space.

The first 3 are listed in the screen with names including ANP, the
last one is MBR Entry 3. There is no indication the first partition is
active. Does BING do that automatically?

When I created the last partition, it went OK. When it completed
formatting and error checking, looked OK but now at the top of the
screen is the legend "errors exist". I looked in Properties in each
partition, no error notation.

Comment?

ms

  #3  
Old October 8th 06, 09:23 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Bill in Co.
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ms wrote:
Subject: Everest Report
Date: 8 Oct 2006 19:17:10 GMT
From: ms
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion

ms wrote in :

"PCR" wrote in news:uIugB5v6GHA.2364
@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:


But what does this line mean, then? Has it changed...?...

Primary Master User 7921 MB ....LBA

... If so, to what? If it now says "Auto" there, does it still say
just 7921 MB? Is it still LBA? Could be you also need to delete those
empty partitions you've got before the BIOS will detect the hard
drive right. But I just don't know, not for sure.

Good news

In my BING screen "Work with Partitions", I created 4 FAT32 partitions.
They completely use the 10 GB hard drive, no free space.

The first 3 are listed in the screen with names including ANP, the last
one is MBR Entry 3. There is no indication the first partition is active.
Does BING do that automatically?


I don't think so, but I'm not positive. But there is a "set active"
option or button, which I have had to use when cloning my hard drive to a
second (backup) one. Normally the second drive HD1 is NOT set active, since
the first one (HD0) already is. (I'm talking about booting off the floppy
in maintenance mode).

When I created the last partition, it went OK. When it completed
formatting and error checking, looked OK but now at the top of the screen
is the legend "errors exist". I looked in Properties in each partition,
no error notation.

Comment?

ms



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Old October 8th 06, 10:01 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
ms
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ms wrote in :

Sorry, editing

This post should read:
In my BING screen "Work with Partitions", I created 4 FAT32
partitions. They completely use the 10 GB hard drive, no free space.

The first 3 are listed in the screen with names including ANP, the
last one is MBR Entry 3. There is no indication the first partition is
active. Does BING do that automatically?

When I created the last partition, it went OK. When it completed
formatting and error checking, looked OK but now at the top of the
screen is the legend "errors exist". I looked in Properties in each
partition, no error notation.

Comment?

ms



BIOS screen on bootup,
Primary Master LBA, UDMA 66, 10247 MB

Standard Cmos Setup screen:
Primary Master Auto
Slave None
Secondary Master Auto
Slave None

IDE Autodetect:
2 (Y) 10241 1245 cyl .... LBA mode

1 10248 19856 Normal

3 10248 2482 Large

When I ran the Fujitsu diag, (it always ran fine before), it opened and
detects a non-Fujitsu hard drive! It won't run, and the only difference
is the BIOS is set to Auto.

Two issues:
a. BING says errors present, doesn't show them.

b. now the Fujitsu util does not detect the Fujitsu hard drive.

ms

  #5  
Old October 8th 06, 10:06 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Gary S. Terhune
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Bill, you don't set a hard drive Active, you set a Primary Partition as
Active, and yes, I forgot to mention that in BING you do that in "View MBR",
but I *think* the first Primary you create is automatically set Active by
BING if no Active partition already exists.

Remember that you only need to use a Primary Partition for OS installations.
Use an Extended Partition with Volumes for partitions that will be used for
data storage only (or TEMP partition or whatever.)

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
ms wrote:
Subject: Everest Report
Date: 8 Oct 2006 19:17:10 GMT
From: ms
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion

ms wrote in :

"PCR" wrote in news:uIugB5v6GHA.2364
@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:


But what does this line mean, then? Has it changed...?...

Primary Master User 7921 MB ....LBA

... If so, to what? If it now says "Auto" there, does it still say
just 7921 MB? Is it still LBA? Could be you also need to delete those
empty partitions you've got before the BIOS will detect the hard
drive right. But I just don't know, not for sure.

Good news

In my BING screen "Work with Partitions", I created 4 FAT32 partitions.
They completely use the 10 GB hard drive, no free space.

The first 3 are listed in the screen with names including ANP, the last
one is MBR Entry 3. There is no indication the first partition is active.
Does BING do that automatically?


I don't think so, but I'm not positive. But there is a "set active"
option or button, which I have had to use when cloning my hard drive to a
second (backup) one. Normally the second drive HD1 is NOT set active,
since
the first one (HD0) already is. (I'm talking about booting off the
floppy
in maintenance mode).

When I created the last partition, it went OK. When it completed
formatting and error checking, looked OK but now at the top of the screen
is the legend "errors exist". I looked in Properties in each partition,
no error notation.

Comment?

ms





  #6  
Old October 8th 06, 10:18 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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"ms" wrote in message
...
| Subject: Everest Report
| Date: 8 Oct 2006 19:17:10 GMT
| From: ms
| Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
|
| ms wrote in :
|
| "PCR" wrote in news:uIugB5v6GHA.2364
| @TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:
|
|
| But what does this line mean, then? Has it changed...?...
|
| Primary Master User 7921 MB ....LBA
|
| ... If so, to what? If it now says "Auto" there, does it still say
| just 7921 MB? Is it still LBA? Could be you also need to delete
those
| empty partitions you've got before the BIOS will detect the hard
| drive right. But I just don't know, not for sure.
|
| Good news
| In my BING screen "Work with Partitions", I created 4 FAT32
partitions.
| They completely use the 10 GB hard drive, no free space.
|
| The first 3 are listed in the screen with names including ANP, the
last
| one is MBR Entry 3. There is no indication the first partition is
active.
| Does BING do that automatically?
|
| When I created the last partition, it went OK. When it completed
| formatting and error checking, looked OK but now at the top of the
screen
| is the legend "errors exist". I looked in Properties in each
partition,
| no error notation.
|
| Comment?

I begin to suspect the prior owner limited the size of that hard drive
purposely because it had errors he couldn't fix. I would run that
Fujitsu diagnostic utility on it, & see what it says. Delete that bad
partition first. Try creating it again, afterwards, if the utility
reports it did a repair.

Absolutely, as Colorado said, only one partition per hard drive
should/can be marked Active. It should be a Primary, too. The Active one
is the one that will boot to Windows.


  #7  
Old October 8th 06, 10:24 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Gary S. Terhune
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Default Working with BING

Please delete all partitions. Then look in "View MBR" and click on "Standard
MBR". Then go back and create new partitions.

I'm concerned that a drive overlay may exist. I haven't been following the
previous mega-thread except in a very cursory manner. Are you certain that
no overlay exists (you'd probably use the drive manufacturer's own tools to
determine this and remove the overlay if present.)

I've never seen that ANP notation in BING and don't know what it means. In
my experience, MBR Entry ## is the usual label that's applied to all Primary
Partitions BING creates. You might want to check out BING Support,
especially the BING forums.
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/support.html

There is a paragraph on that page called "TeraByte Sponsored Newsgroups".

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"ms" wrote in message ...
Sorry, editing

This post should read:
In my BING screen "Work with Partitions", I created 4 FAT32
partitions. They completely use the 10 GB hard drive, no free space.

The first 3 are listed in the screen with names including ANP, the
last one is MBR Entry 3. There is no indication the first partition is
active. Does BING do that automatically?

When I created the last partition, it went OK. When it completed
formatting and error checking, looked OK but now at the top of the
screen is the legend "errors exist". I looked in Properties in each
partition, no error notation.

Comment?

ms



  #8  
Old October 8th 06, 10:35 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Gary S. Terhune
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The Quirke one just reminded me of how I use BING to check partitions.
Select the partition and then click on Resize. The first thing it will do is
check the partition. It's only a fast check, and it won't tell you anything
about the nature of the error(s) found, if any... I *think*... , and it
won't fix anything. For that you'll need to run a real disk checking tool.

Personally, I'd leave the partitions the way they are, then use some disk
checking tool on them, and if bad sectors are found, toss that HD into the
trash -- unless this is only a play machine and you're willing to risk
losing everything on it when the disk continues to go bad, and it *will*
continue to go bad.

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"ms" wrote in message ...
ms wrote in :

Sorry, editing

This post should read:
In my BING screen "Work with Partitions", I created 4 FAT32
partitions. They completely use the 10 GB hard drive, no free space.

The first 3 are listed in the screen with names including ANP, the
last one is MBR Entry 3. There is no indication the first partition is
active. Does BING do that automatically?

When I created the last partition, it went OK. When it completed
formatting and error checking, looked OK but now at the top of the
screen is the legend "errors exist". I looked in Properties in each
partition, no error notation.

Comment?

ms



BIOS screen on bootup,
Primary Master LBA, UDMA 66, 10247 MB

Standard Cmos Setup screen:
Primary Master Auto
Slave None
Secondary Master Auto
Slave None

IDE Autodetect:
2 (Y) 10241 1245 cyl .... LBA mode

1 10248 19856 Normal

3 10248 2482 Large

When I ran the Fujitsu diag, (it always ran fine before), it opened and
detects a non-Fujitsu hard drive! It won't run, and the only difference
is the BIOS is set to Auto.

Two issues:
a. BING says errors present, doesn't show them.

b. now the Fujitsu util does not detect the Fujitsu hard drive.

ms





  #9  
Old October 8th 06, 10:42 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Bill in Co.
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Right.
Thanks for the corrections, Gary, my bad!

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
Bill, you don't set a hard drive Active, you set a Primary Partition as
Active, and yes, I forgot to mention that in BING you do that in "View

MBR",
but I *think* the first Primary you create is automatically set Active by
BING if no Active partition already exists.

Remember that you only need to use a Primary Partition for OS

installations.
Use an Extended Partition with Volumes for partitions that will be used

for
data storage only (or TEMP partition or whatever.)

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
ms wrote:
Subject: Everest Report
Date: 8 Oct 2006 19:17:10 GMT
From: ms
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion

ms wrote in :

"PCR" wrote in news:uIugB5v6GHA.2364
@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:


But what does this line mean, then? Has it changed...?...

Primary Master User 7921 MB ....LBA

... If so, to what? If it now says "Auto" there, does it still say
just 7921 MB? Is it still LBA? Could be you also need to delete those
empty partitions you've got before the BIOS will detect the hard
drive right. But I just don't know, not for sure.

Good news
In my BING screen "Work with Partitions", I created 4 FAT32 partitions.
They completely use the 10 GB hard drive, no free space.

The first 3 are listed in the screen with names including ANP, the last
one is MBR Entry 3. There is no indication the first partition is

active.
Does BING do that automatically?


I don't think so, but I'm not positive. But there is a "set active"
option or button, which I have had to use when cloning my hard drive to a
second (backup) one. Normally the second drive HD1 is NOT set active,
since the first one (HD0) already is. (I'm talking about booting off

the
floppy in maintenance mode).

When I created the last partition, it went OK. When it completed
formatting and error checking, looked OK but now at the top of the

screen
is the legend "errors exist". I looked in Properties in each partition,
no error notation.

Comment?

ms



  #10  
Old October 8th 06, 11:14 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
PCR
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"ms" wrote in message
...
| ms wrote in :
|
| Sorry, editing
|
| This post should read:
| In my BING screen "Work with Partitions", I created 4 FAT32
| partitions. They completely use the 10 GB hard drive, no free
space.
|
| The first 3 are listed in the screen with names including ANP, the
| last one is MBR Entry 3. There is no indication the first partition
is
| active. Does BING do that automatically?
|
| When I created the last partition, it went OK. When it completed
| formatting and error checking, looked OK but now at the top of the
| screen is the legend "errors exist". I looked in Properties in each
| partition, no error notation.
|
| Comment?
|
| ms
|
|
|
| BIOS screen on bootup,
| Primary Master LBA, UDMA 66, 10247 MB
|
| Standard Cmos Setup screen:
| Primary Master Auto
| Slave None
| Secondary Master Auto
| Slave None
|
| IDE Autodetect:
| 2 (Y) 10241 1245 cyl .... LBA mode
|
| 1 10248 19856 Normal
|
| 3 10248 2482 Large

Well, that certainly looks good now, getting the full hard drive. I was
overjoyed! There certainly are a huge number of screens in there,
though, & I must wonder whether something else is being missed. I've
posted the older settings below for someone to comment.

| When I ran the Fujitsu diag, (it always ran fine before), it opened
and
| detects a non-Fujitsu hard drive! It won't run, and the only
difference
| is the BIOS is set to Auto.

Why! Why! Why! BIOS appears to have auto-detected the correct amount of
GB for a...
Fujitsu MPE 3102AT 10 GB
...., which by Google search is 10.2 GB. What was the utility that said
it was a Fujitsu in the first place? Maybe run that again to get a new
report.

We were so close to getting the full amount! The proper manufacturer's
hard drive diagnostic utility is supposed to correct the errors-- not
disown the drive!

| Two issues:
| a. BING says errors present, doesn't show them.
|
| b. now the Fujitsu util does not detect the Fujitsu hard drive.
|
| ms

.....Quote older BIOS settings...........
Standard CMOS Setup
Primary Master User 7921 MB ....LBA
Primary Slave None 0
Secondary Master Auto 0 Auto
Secondary Slave None 0

BIOS Features
Hard disk boot from Pri-IDE-M
HDD Smart Capability Enabled

Power Management
HDD Power Down Disabled

Integrated Peripherals
?? IDE Channel 10. 11 Enabled
IDE Prefetch mode Enabled
IDE HDD Block mode Enabled
Primary Master P10 auto
Primary Master UDMA auto

?? - can't read my own writing!

HDD Autodetect
Select Primary Master
Options Sector
2(Y) 10241..... 63 LBA
1 10248......63 Normal
3 10248 63 Large
.......EOQ ms's older BIOS settings..........



 




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