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  #41  
Old March 5th 10, 04:29 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.windowsme.general
Corday[_3_]
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Default Free and not free AV for 98 and how to get around the problem

What 98 Guy says is true and you'll have reasonable AV protection. The
problem is Norton and the WindowsME OS are rather incompatible and other
problems will arise which is OK if you don't mind doing a clean OS install
every so often.
--
I mastered Wordstar graphics!


"98 Guy" wrote:

I might as well post this to our friends using Windows ME, since NAV
2002 is equally suitable for that maligned operating system.

MEB wrote:

Take your garbage and ignorance back to where ever you came from


You forgot to full-quote me. Why are you not consistent in that regard?

The product you suggest has NO comprehension of the exploits and
methods being used today


NAV 2002 can be updated from Symantec such that it has the most current
virus signatures and scan-engine - equal to any symantec product being
sold today.

And you can get it as part of Norton SystemWorks 2002.

How you ask? By following these instructions:

------------------

The Norton SystemWorks 2002 CD can be downloaded from these links:

http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/7/...82/NSW02-A.ZIP
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/7/...82/NSW02-B.ZIP
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/7/...82/NSW02-C.ZIP
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/7/...82/NSW02-D.ZIP

The password to unzip each of them is "a". Each file is close to 50 mb
in size.

When unzipped, you'll get

NSW02-1.piz
NSW02-2.piz
NSW02-3.piz
NSW02-4.piz

Rename them each to .zip. They are not password protected.

Create a directory (name doesn't matter) and move files 1, 2 and 3 into
that directory and unzip them into that directory. There should be no
conflicts or warnings to over-write any existing files.

For file 4, move it to the \SUPPORT\IE5 directory and unzip it's
contents into that directory.

When you're done all that, you should have an exact copy of the
directory structure of the NSW 2002 CD. There should be 10 files and 13
folders in the root directory. 590 files, 41 folders, 207 mb.

To install NSW-2002, just run setup.exe in the root.

Notes:

1) Before installing, you should go to add/remove programs in control
panel and check to see if you have any Symantec or Norton products
already there, including LiveUpdate, LiveReg, Norton AntiVirus, Norton
Utilities, or Norton SystemWorks. You will probably have to remove some
or most of them, and then re-boot your computer, for NSW2002 to install
itself correctly. You should also make sure your PC's clock/calendar is
set to the correct date.

2) Once you complete step 1, perform a file-find on your system and look
for a file called "catalog.livesubscribe" or just "catalog.*". If you
find that file (it will be in a norton or symantec directory) then it
must be deleted before you install this software.

3) After installing NSW2002, let it restart your system. There are
several settings in NAV that I turn off - like automatically check for
updates, and warn if virus def's are old. If it gives you the option of
registering the software - don't. It's not necessary for it to
function.

4) If you click on "Check for Updates" you will probably be told that
there is an update to Symantec Redirector, which can be downloaded but
may not install. In any case, it's my experience that both auto and
manual updating (liveupdate button) doesn't work, and hasn't worked
since maybe 2007. But that's ok, because you can download all program
updates and virus definitions from here (Symantec Intelligent Updater):

ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/englis...ymcdefsi32.exe

That file always contains the most recent virus definition update. So
download and run it as often as you want (even once a day if you're
paranoid).

5) After installing NSW 2002, you'll see that NAV 2002 will accept new
virus definition files for the next 366 days. After that, the
Intelligent Updater will not update the product. But that's ok, because
all you need to do is un-install and re-install NSW 2002 to get another
year's worth of functionality (so don't delete these files once you
download them! Keep them on your hard drive or burn them to a CD). One
thing to remember is that after uninstalling it, you will need to delete
the file "catalog.livesubscribe" in order to re-install and re-activate
it for another year.

6) If you have a large hard drive and/or if you've got a FAT-32 volume
with more than the usual 4 million clusters (perhaps a SATA or USB
drive), Norton Disk Doctor and Norton Speed disk are compatible with
volumes with up to 6.3 million clusters, but not more without using the
command-line parameter /NOLBA. When using this parameter, the upper
limit for NDD and SD is somewhere between 7.8 and 31 million clusters.
The switch /NOLBA forces NDD and SD to skip the drive configuration
check. This can also be done with a registry entry by adding a DWORD
registry value named NOLBACHECK at this location:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Symantec\Norton Utilities

When this option is set to 1, Norton Disk Doctor and Speed Disk skip the
drive configuration check.

5) BTW, NAV 2002 runs fine on Win-2K and XP (sp1, 2 and 3).

Norton SystemWorks 2002 CD includes:

- Norton CleanSweep 2002
- Norton AntiVirus 2002
- Norton Utilities 2002
- Roxio GoBack 3.0
- FastSafe (Fast & Safe Cleanup)
- Symantec Process Viewer
- Norton Rescue Disk version 15.0
- Microsoft Internet Explorer version 5.50.4134.600

Enjoy
.

  #42  
Old March 5th 10, 04:29 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.windowsme.general
Corday[_3_]
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Posts: 138
Default Free and not free AV for 98 and how to get around the problem

What 98 Guy says is true and you'll have reasonable AV protection. The
problem is Norton and the WindowsME OS are rather incompatible and other
problems will arise which is OK if you don't mind doing a clean OS install
every so often.
--
I mastered Wordstar graphics!


"98 Guy" wrote:

I might as well post this to our friends using Windows ME, since NAV
2002 is equally suitable for that maligned operating system.

MEB wrote:

Take your garbage and ignorance back to where ever you came from


You forgot to full-quote me. Why are you not consistent in that regard?

The product you suggest has NO comprehension of the exploits and
methods being used today


NAV 2002 can be updated from Symantec such that it has the most current
virus signatures and scan-engine - equal to any symantec product being
sold today.

And you can get it as part of Norton SystemWorks 2002.

How you ask? By following these instructions:

------------------

The Norton SystemWorks 2002 CD can be downloaded from these links:

http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/7/...82/NSW02-A.ZIP
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/7/...82/NSW02-B.ZIP
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/7/...82/NSW02-C.ZIP
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/7/...82/NSW02-D.ZIP

The password to unzip each of them is "a". Each file is close to 50 mb
in size.

When unzipped, you'll get

NSW02-1.piz
NSW02-2.piz
NSW02-3.piz
NSW02-4.piz

Rename them each to .zip. They are not password protected.

Create a directory (name doesn't matter) and move files 1, 2 and 3 into
that directory and unzip them into that directory. There should be no
conflicts or warnings to over-write any existing files.

For file 4, move it to the \SUPPORT\IE5 directory and unzip it's
contents into that directory.

When you're done all that, you should have an exact copy of the
directory structure of the NSW 2002 CD. There should be 10 files and 13
folders in the root directory. 590 files, 41 folders, 207 mb.

To install NSW-2002, just run setup.exe in the root.

Notes:

1) Before installing, you should go to add/remove programs in control
panel and check to see if you have any Symantec or Norton products
already there, including LiveUpdate, LiveReg, Norton AntiVirus, Norton
Utilities, or Norton SystemWorks. You will probably have to remove some
or most of them, and then re-boot your computer, for NSW2002 to install
itself correctly. You should also make sure your PC's clock/calendar is
set to the correct date.

2) Once you complete step 1, perform a file-find on your system and look
for a file called "catalog.livesubscribe" or just "catalog.*". If you
find that file (it will be in a norton or symantec directory) then it
must be deleted before you install this software.

3) After installing NSW2002, let it restart your system. There are
several settings in NAV that I turn off - like automatically check for
updates, and warn if virus def's are old. If it gives you the option of
registering the software - don't. It's not necessary for it to
function.

4) If you click on "Check for Updates" you will probably be told that
there is an update to Symantec Redirector, which can be downloaded but
may not install. In any case, it's my experience that both auto and
manual updating (liveupdate button) doesn't work, and hasn't worked
since maybe 2007. But that's ok, because you can download all program
updates and virus definitions from here (Symantec Intelligent Updater):

ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/englis...ymcdefsi32.exe

That file always contains the most recent virus definition update. So
download and run it as often as you want (even once a day if you're
paranoid).

5) After installing NSW 2002, you'll see that NAV 2002 will accept new
virus definition files for the next 366 days. After that, the
Intelligent Updater will not update the product. But that's ok, because
all you need to do is un-install and re-install NSW 2002 to get another
year's worth of functionality (so don't delete these files once you
download them! Keep them on your hard drive or burn them to a CD). One
thing to remember is that after uninstalling it, you will need to delete
the file "catalog.livesubscribe" in order to re-install and re-activate
it for another year.

6) If you have a large hard drive and/or if you've got a FAT-32 volume
with more than the usual 4 million clusters (perhaps a SATA or USB
drive), Norton Disk Doctor and Norton Speed disk are compatible with
volumes with up to 6.3 million clusters, but not more without using the
command-line parameter /NOLBA. When using this parameter, the upper
limit for NDD and SD is somewhere between 7.8 and 31 million clusters.
The switch /NOLBA forces NDD and SD to skip the drive configuration
check. This can also be done with a registry entry by adding a DWORD
registry value named NOLBACHECK at this location:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Symantec\Norton Utilities

When this option is set to 1, Norton Disk Doctor and Speed Disk skip the
drive configuration check.

5) BTW, NAV 2002 runs fine on Win-2K and XP (sp1, 2 and 3).

Norton SystemWorks 2002 CD includes:

- Norton CleanSweep 2002
- Norton AntiVirus 2002
- Norton Utilities 2002
- Roxio GoBack 3.0
- FastSafe (Fast & Safe Cleanup)
- Symantec Process Viewer
- Norton Rescue Disk version 15.0
- Microsoft Internet Explorer version 5.50.4134.600

Enjoy
.

  #43  
Old March 6th 10, 01:29 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.windowsme.general
thanatoid
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Default Free and not free AV for 98 and how to get around the problem

=?Utf-8?B?Q29yZGF5?= wrote in
:

SNIP

While you are more than free to say whatever idiotic things come
to your mind, at least learn to SNIP, FFS.



--
The lonely child plays with eternity, while a gang of children
plays with time.
Karel Capek
  #44  
Old March 6th 10, 01:29 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.windowsme.general
thanatoid
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Default Free and not free AV for 98 and how to get around the problem

=?Utf-8?B?Q29yZGF5?= wrote in
:

SNIP

While you are more than free to say whatever idiotic things come
to your mind, at least learn to SNIP, FFS.



--
The lonely child plays with eternity, while a gang of children
plays with time.
Karel Capek
  #45  
Old March 6th 10, 04:37 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
PCR
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Default Free and not free AV for 98 and how to get around the problem

thanatoid wrote:
With apologies to all involved, I am /really/ getting tired of
the never-ending "Free AV for 98?" threads.

Of course, nothing will stop them, even this post, since most
people are too lazy to read even a hundred old posts, being
absolutely certain that they are the first person ever faced
with the particular problem at hand. Don't even mention Google.
One would think it didn't exist. (As much as I hate the Web,
Google IS generally quite useful, as long as you don't forget
that the result most worth looking at it is not necessarily on
the first page, let alone /the first link/. Anyway.)

Here are 2 fairly simple solutions to the above mentioned
endless questions.

In case you are not too cheap to pay $40/year (you spend more on
cappuccinos in one week, FFS) for a 98 version (2.7) of the best
AV software there is, ESET NOD32, while it is no longer
available on their site as of Feb 1, the virus signature updates
for that version will be available until Feb 1, 2012. (If you
don't have the program and can't find it, I will be more than
happy to post it to a file-sharing site. The same license works
for all versions. Ver 2.70.39 was the last 98SE version. Vers
3.x and 4.x run on Win2000 and up. (There are also full
"security suite versions" but I'm not into those.)

AFAICT, the sig updates for 2.7 are the /same/ files as the ones
for the 3 and 4 versions (see below).

So you can either pay the measly 40 bucks and stop these ENDLESS
questions which are REALLY getting boring, or you can install a
free copy (if you have to ask where...) of XP on another
partition ONLY to get the new versions of the few currently free
/AND/ XP+ ONLY A-V programs there are, and scan whatever you
want from there, and then reboot back into 98.

In case you're wondering, the "run from XP partition and then
reboot" solution is based on my firm belief that running an A-V
all the time while on-line is totally pointless.

I might add ESET consistently beats all the others in ratings,
although you really have to read between the lines and THINK
about the different aspects of "reviewing". (Some are simply
ridiculous: "ease of installation". Sigh.)

But while, not surprisingly, Norton is the best-seller - just
like IE/OE are the most-used internet software, in spite of also
being the most dangerous software ever - most sites not run by
lying payola weasels agree ESET is the best.

Here is what /seems/ a non-biased review...

http://www.consumersearch.com/antivi...est-antivirus-
software

...although I am sure SOMEONE will claim how they are in fact on
ESET's payroll.

Of course, certain aspects of the above solutions may be totally
invalidated if someone proves that Win2000 and up viruses are
different than 9x viruses, but I do not believe they are. And
even if they ARE, a good scanner /should/ find them anywhere.
One of the best (free) scanners for years was F-Prot for DOS and
it found stuff on all Win platforms, AFAIK.

(There actually IS a DOS version of ESET NOD32 as well, but it
and its defs have not been updated in quite some time and will
not be. But I have it if you want it. Even ESET said in its
blurb that SOME stuff can be found easier from DOS than from
within the 32-bit OS.)

Just my 2 cents, or $39.99 if you prefer. (Discount if you buy a
2 year license).


I haven't had to pay for protection yet, first getting McAfee free for
some reason well beyond the year that came with the purchase of this
machine. Next, avast! has been legitimately free! But I'll take your
recommendation under serious consideration. I think Terhune used to
recommend that one, too. Thanks.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR



  #46  
Old March 6th 10, 04:37 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
PCR
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Posts: 4,396
Default Free and not free AV for 98 and how to get around the problem

thanatoid wrote:
With apologies to all involved, I am /really/ getting tired of
the never-ending "Free AV for 98?" threads.

Of course, nothing will stop them, even this post, since most
people are too lazy to read even a hundred old posts, being
absolutely certain that they are the first person ever faced
with the particular problem at hand. Don't even mention Google.
One would think it didn't exist. (As much as I hate the Web,
Google IS generally quite useful, as long as you don't forget
that the result most worth looking at it is not necessarily on
the first page, let alone /the first link/. Anyway.)

Here are 2 fairly simple solutions to the above mentioned
endless questions.

In case you are not too cheap to pay $40/year (you spend more on
cappuccinos in one week, FFS) for a 98 version (2.7) of the best
AV software there is, ESET NOD32, while it is no longer
available on their site as of Feb 1, the virus signature updates
for that version will be available until Feb 1, 2012. (If you
don't have the program and can't find it, I will be more than
happy to post it to a file-sharing site. The same license works
for all versions. Ver 2.70.39 was the last 98SE version. Vers
3.x and 4.x run on Win2000 and up. (There are also full
"security suite versions" but I'm not into those.)

AFAICT, the sig updates for 2.7 are the /same/ files as the ones
for the 3 and 4 versions (see below).

So you can either pay the measly 40 bucks and stop these ENDLESS
questions which are REALLY getting boring, or you can install a
free copy (if you have to ask where...) of XP on another
partition ONLY to get the new versions of the few currently free
/AND/ XP+ ONLY A-V programs there are, and scan whatever you
want from there, and then reboot back into 98.

In case you're wondering, the "run from XP partition and then
reboot" solution is based on my firm belief that running an A-V
all the time while on-line is totally pointless.

I might add ESET consistently beats all the others in ratings,
although you really have to read between the lines and THINK
about the different aspects of "reviewing". (Some are simply
ridiculous: "ease of installation". Sigh.)

But while, not surprisingly, Norton is the best-seller - just
like IE/OE are the most-used internet software, in spite of also
being the most dangerous software ever - most sites not run by
lying payola weasels agree ESET is the best.

Here is what /seems/ a non-biased review...

http://www.consumersearch.com/antivi...est-antivirus-
software

...although I am sure SOMEONE will claim how they are in fact on
ESET's payroll.

Of course, certain aspects of the above solutions may be totally
invalidated if someone proves that Win2000 and up viruses are
different than 9x viruses, but I do not believe they are. And
even if they ARE, a good scanner /should/ find them anywhere.
One of the best (free) scanners for years was F-Prot for DOS and
it found stuff on all Win platforms, AFAIK.

(There actually IS a DOS version of ESET NOD32 as well, but it
and its defs have not been updated in quite some time and will
not be. But I have it if you want it. Even ESET said in its
blurb that SOME stuff can be found easier from DOS than from
within the 32-bit OS.)

Just my 2 cents, or $39.99 if you prefer. (Discount if you buy a
2 year license).


I haven't had to pay for protection yet, first getting McAfee free for
some reason well beyond the year that came with the purchase of this
machine. Next, avast! has been legitimately free! But I'll take your
recommendation under serious consideration. I think Terhune used to
recommend that one, too. Thanks.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR



  #47  
Old March 6th 10, 05:48 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
thanatoid
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Default Free and not free AV for 98 and how to get around the problem

"PCR" wrote in
:

SNIP

I haven't had to pay for protection yet, first getting
McAfee free for some reason well beyond the year that came
with the purchase of this machine. Next, avast! has been
legitimately free! But I'll take your recommendation under
serious consideration. I think Terhune used to recommend
that one, too. Thanks.


My pleasure.

I can't remeber, did Terhune SNIP stuff? Another habit well
worth acquiring.

;-)



--
The lonely child plays with eternity, while a gang of children
plays with time.
Karel Capek
  #48  
Old March 6th 10, 05:48 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
thanatoid
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 2,299
Default Free and not free AV for 98 and how to get around the problem

"PCR" wrote in
:

SNIP

I haven't had to pay for protection yet, first getting
McAfee free for some reason well beyond the year that came
with the purchase of this machine. Next, avast! has been
legitimately free! But I'll take your recommendation under
serious consideration. I think Terhune used to recommend
that one, too. Thanks.


My pleasure.

I can't remeber, did Terhune SNIP stuff? Another habit well
worth acquiring.

;-)



--
The lonely child plays with eternity, while a gang of children
plays with time.
Karel Capek
  #49  
Old March 8th 10, 01:40 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
PCR
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 4,396
Default Free and not free AV for 98 and how to get around the problem

thanatoid wrote:
"PCR" wrote in
:

SNIP

I haven't had to pay for protection yet, first getting
McAfee free for some reason well beyond the year that came
with the purchase of this machine. Next, avast! has been
legitimately free! But I'll take your recommendation under
serious consideration. I think Terhune used to recommend
that one, too. Thanks.


My pleasure.

I can't remeber, did Terhune SNIP stuff? Another habit well
worth acquiring.


Living in a trailer with a leaky roof required he keep his hair!


;-)


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR



  #50  
Old March 8th 10, 01:40 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
PCR
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 4,396
Default Free and not free AV for 98 and how to get around the problem

thanatoid wrote:
"PCR" wrote in
:

SNIP

I haven't had to pay for protection yet, first getting
McAfee free for some reason well beyond the year that came
with the purchase of this machine. Next, avast! has been
legitimately free! But I'll take your recommendation under
serious consideration. I think Terhune used to recommend
that one, too. Thanks.


My pleasure.

I can't remeber, did Terhune SNIP stuff? Another habit well
worth acquiring.


Living in a trailer with a leaky roof required he keep his hair!


;-)


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR



 




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