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FULL Win98 SE Support Until 2006?
I am running Windows 98 SE which is badly in need of cleaning and
reinstallation. I have read the Microsoft notice on Windows 98 SE support through June 2006. Do you think this means that if I format my drive and do a clean install of 98 SE I can expect to connect with Windows Update and download ALL the past updates until June 2006? I am not able to manage the new PC I would like at this time. In another year, I could. Thanks for your help. Chris |
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"Chris B." emailnameaccount.com.invalid wrote in message ... I am running Windows 98 SE which is badly in need of cleaning and reinstallation. I have read the Microsoft notice on Windows 98 SE support through June 2006. Do you think this means that if I format my drive and do a clean install of 98 SE I can expect to connect with Windows Update and download ALL the past updates until June 2006? I am not able to manage the new PC I would like at this time. In another year, I could. Thanks for your help. Chris the updates will be around , thru windows update for quite awhile and probably elsewhere after that |
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Haggis had this to say: My reply is at the bottom of your sent message: "Chris B." emailnameaccount.com.invalid wrote in message ... I am running Windows 98 SE which is badly in need of cleaning and reinstallation. I have read the Microsoft notice on Windows 98 SE support through June 2006. Do you think this means that if I format my drive and do a clean install of 98 SE I can expect to connect with Windows Update and download ALL the past updates until June 2006? I am not able to manage the new PC I would like at this time. In another year, I could. Thanks for your help. Chris the updates will be around , thru windows update for quite awhile and probably elsewhere after that I'd really like to see some of the source go to the public domain when the product life is finally over. For MS to support the OS for 8 years is actually better than you'd get from most companies. If, for instance, you'd purchased a copy of Adobe Acrobat 5.0 and you were having issues with it today they're sure to tell you that you have to upgrade as they no longer support the program. Or, at least, I suspect that particular company would as I've known most other companies to do. It would be interesting, and a great gesture, for Microsoft to open up a portion of the code so that updates could be made in the private sector as it's likely that a large number of people (including in the many millions of boxes in the business spectrum) are going to want to remain with 9x. They have it now. They don't want to upgrade for price due to price of the OS or hardware, hassle, and added support calls. While many have and I'm sure more will the general feelings seem to be that it's quite true that Microsoft certainly is going above and beyond the call of duty by providing the additional support durations for the OS though at the same time there's hopes for an alternative solution at the end of the cycle so that people aren't forced to upgrade. Of course, logical thinking would dictate that Microsoft shouldn't do this from a business perspective. A business must maintain a steady flow of capital by increasing it's capacity and providing new products or services in order to remain financially healthy. Not cycling out the older product, not urging people to upgrade, and supporting products that stopped generating revenue years ago is a horrid BUSINESS decision. The logical business choice is to have created a third edition (and no I don't mean ME) based on the same kernel with lesser hardware requirements and some of the new features as well as the ability to incorporate newer software such as the up-coming IEv7 as well as a restore (Only they really need to make that accessable from OUTSIDE of the operating system but I'm digressing.) which would have provided the people with older hardware or a love/hate relationship with the 9x kernel to continue with their current systems and expectations while giving Microsoft continued revenue from the 9x kernel. That's just my opinion and nobody ever listens to me. Galen -- Signature changed for a moment of silence. Rest well Alex and we'll see you on the other side. |
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If is true that there was a certain beauty about windows 98 (You could still
use dos in full mode), Microsoft decision is based on its product lifecycle (www.microsoft.com/lifecycle) and due to the large number of version, it nearly impossible to provide consistent support to all these versions. There are presently numerous open source/public domain groups which are working on alternate versions of dos and windows. Check www.freedos.org and www.reactos.com and fusion os http://fos.sourceforge.net/ http://freemenos.sourceforge.net/. Microsoft has in fact given source code to a certain degree to companies with more than 1,000 windows licenses so they contribute to the development of windows. "Galen" wrote: In , Haggis had this to say: My reply is at the bottom of your sent message: "Chris B." emailnameaccount.com.invalid wrote in message ... I am running Windows 98 SE which is badly in need of cleaning and reinstallation. I have read the Microsoft notice on Windows 98 SE support through June 2006. Do you think this means that if I format my drive and do a clean install of 98 SE I can expect to connect with Windows Update and download ALL the past updates until June 2006? I am not able to manage the new PC I would like at this time. In another year, I could. Thanks for your help. Chris the updates will be around , thru windows update for quite awhile and probably elsewhere after that I'd really like to see some of the source go to the public domain when the product life is finally over. For MS to support the OS for 8 years is actually better than you'd get from most companies. If, for instance, you'd purchased a copy of Adobe Acrobat 5.0 and you were having issues with it today they're sure to tell you that you have to upgrade as they no longer support the program. Or, at least, I suspect that particular company would as I've known most other companies to do. It would be interesting, and a great gesture, for Microsoft to open up a portion of the code so that updates could be made in the private sector as it's likely that a large number of people (including in the many millions of boxes in the business spectrum) are going to want to remain with 9x. They have it now. They don't want to upgrade for price due to price of the OS or hardware, hassle, and added support calls. While many have and I'm sure more will the general feelings seem to be that it's quite true that Microsoft certainly is going above and beyond the call of duty by providing the additional support durations for the OS though at the same time there's hopes for an alternative solution at the end of the cycle so that people aren't forced to upgrade. Of course, logical thinking would dictate that Microsoft shouldn't do this from a business perspective. A business must maintain a steady flow of capital by increasing it's capacity and providing new products or services in order to remain financially healthy. Not cycling out the older product, not urging people to upgrade, and supporting products that stopped generating revenue years ago is a horrid BUSINESS decision. The logical business choice is to have created a third edition (and no I don't mean ME) based on the same kernel with lesser hardware requirements and some of the new features as well as the ability to incorporate newer software such as the up-coming IEv7 as well as a restore (Only they really need to make that accessable from OUTSIDE of the operating system but I'm digressing.) which would have provided the people with older hardware or a love/hate relationship with the 9x kernel to continue with their current systems and expectations while giving Microsoft continued revenue from the 9x kernel. That's just my opinion and nobody ever listens to me. Galen -- Signature changed for a moment of silence. Rest well Alex and we'll see you on the other side. |
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Yes, MS will continue to provide limited support for Windows 98 through
June '06. However, you should know that it is getting harder and harder for them to patch certain vulnerabilities successfully, and there is a *large* segment of the IT world that is intent on making Windows 9x and NT disappear as soon as possible, due to the fact of their being increasingly difficult to protect. The reason for this effort is to protect their *own* modern networks from attacks perpetrated from unpatched or unpatchable systems. I suggest you continue to maintain your own system to the best of your ability, and move to Windows XP as soon as it is practicable for you, preferably by the end of this year. These efforts to get rid of "Legacy" systems promise to increase substantially over the course of this year. (And, to you MS haters, this is *not* MS wanting to do this for financial gain. People who are responsible for large portions of the world's computer infrastructure are demanding it.) Oh, and waiting for Longhorn to come out before dumping 9x or NT is *not* a viable solution. -- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm "Chris B." emailnameaccount.com.invalid wrote in message ... I am running Windows 98 SE which is badly in need of cleaning and reinstallation. I have read the Microsoft notice on Windows 98 SE support through June 2006. Do you think this means that if I format my drive and do a clean install of 98 SE I can expect to connect with Windows Update and download ALL the past updates until June 2006? I am not able to manage the new PC I would like at this time. In another year, I could. Thanks for your help. Chris |
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The critical updates will be there at Windows Update for a while.
However, there have been a few at this NG who have done a fresh install, only to report Windows Update would not work afterwards. Even worse, others could not get the fresh install itself to complete. So, if your current system is actually still usable, probably it is a good idea to do a full system backup first. In any event... Once you have a functioning system, especially one close to a clean install, do a full system backup. If you have multiple partitions, I guess a backup is a bit more complex. It depends upon the ties between the Registry & the other partitions, as to whether they must be backed up concurrently. Also, if you've changed the hardware since the backup, you may need to change it back before a restore. http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/index.html Backup & partitioning strategy http://home.wanadoo.nl/geurt/home.html Extended Operating System Loader http://www.acronis.com/products/trueimage/ TrueImage http://www.arjsoftware.com ARJ Archiver http://www.betterbackup.com/ Retrospect CD Backup http://www.bootitng.com/ 's BootIt NG, has a variety of backup capabilities: Copy to HDD, or Image to HDD or to CD. (TBIView, freely downloadable, can retrieve individual files from an Image.) Shrink/expand your partitions without data loss. Multi-boot, if you dare. Free, run from floppy, but pay up as I did if satisfied. To install & use beyond 30 days, $34.95. http://www.cdrfaq.org/ CD R/W Backup http://www.cyberiapc.com/backup.htm MyOwnBackup (MOB) (Free) http://www.han-soft.com/habt.php Auto Backup (30-day free trial) http://www.hp.com/cgi-bin/cposupport...&p=hpcdwriter2 Simple Backup http://www.karenware.com/ PtReplicator (Free) http://www.lifesaverbackup.com/ http://www.mvps.org/links.html Should have good info http://www.pcmag.com/ Lots & lots of sturdy downloads. There is a $20 yearly charge now. http://www.powerquest.com/partitionmagic Partition Magic http://www.ranish.com/part/ Ranish Partition Manager http://www.rescue-me.net/gold.html http://www.simtel.net/pub/dl/58307.shtml Backups http://www.stompinc.com/bump/bump_details.phtml?stp Backup MyPC http://www.thirdstar.net/thirdstar_datarecovery.htm Data recovery http://www.tomsterdam.com/ BU process, performance, etc. http://www.v-com.com/product/pc_ind.html Partition Commander http://www.veritas.com Backup apps http://www.xxcopy.com/ Detailed Procedure Copy (Free) http://www.zeleps.com/ Partition re-sizer (Free) All gathered at this site. Whichever you choose, approach it carefully and verify all is well. After making a copy, run Scandisk/Defrag on it. If it's an Image, use it's verify option; perhaps, restore it and do a Scandisk/Defrag. http://www.pchelpandconsulting.com/links/windows.html WinDrvExpert http://www.jermar.com/wdrvbck.htm WinDrvBckup free version Those last two supposedly back up all currently installed drivers, such that they can be reinstalled. I never tried it but have seen a favorable report/two & one that was so-so. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, should things get worse after this, PCR "Chris B." emailnameaccount.com.invalid wrote in message ... | I am running Windows 98 SE which is badly in need of cleaning and | reinstallation. I have read the Microsoft notice on Windows 98 SE support | through June 2006. Do you think this means that if I format my drive and do | a clean install of 98 SE I can expect to connect with Windows Update and | download ALL the past updates until June 2006? | I am not able to manage the new PC I would like at this time. In | another year, I could. | Thanks for your help. | | Chris | | |
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If errors are caused by hardware, then a reinstall of Windows is not the
cure. However... Setup.exe, run from your Installation CD or from your .cabs folder, accomplishes either an Over-Install or a Fresh Install. The procedural difference is you first wipe the prior Windows installation for a Fresh Install, or install it to different folders. Two folders are involved: "C:\Windows" & "C:\Program Files", and these files: MSDOS.sys, Config.sys, Autoexec.bat & System.1st. For an Over-install, you must direct it to install to C:\Windows, instead of C:\Windows.000 (where it normally would want to go, when it sees a "C:\Windows" already exists). An over-install supposedly leaves all else intact, but there are some who say it will over-write .vxds (drivers) and otherwise musses settings. Therefore, it becomes a lot of work to do it, as you must un/re-install large applications, before/after the over-install. Also, you must go to Windows Update afterwards, to see whether it detects it needs to reinstall it's criticals. There is Version Conflict Manager to do. Finally, they say, it is wise to back up critical data even before an over-install. Others swear an over-install is effortless (under an hour) and effective. Just select to install to the existing directory, when it makes the offer to go elsewhere. If it fails, then you may need to do a tweak, such as renaming Win.com before starting. (Personally, I have never Fresh or Over-Installed Windows. I did actually click Setup.exe once, and was presented with an alluring screenful-- but I cancelled.) Well, anyway, take a look at the URLs below, which really apply to both. You want to do a FRESH Install? Are you pure Windows or OEM, such as Compaq? If you are OEM, then you can get back to factory condition by using their recovery CD, such as QuickRestore, which may contain proprietary drivers and add-ons. Otherwise... http://www.hexff.com/index.html How to Clean Install This first has it all, but.. (a) Perhaps don't do the 2.5 swap file thing, & (b) You may rather have multiple partitions, & (c) Attend it's warning: Have any non-Windows peripheral drivers available to install afterwards. Here... http://www.pchelpandconsulting.com/links/windows.html WinDrvExpert http://www.jermar.com/wdrvbck.htm WinDrvBckup free version Those two supposedly back up all currently installed drivers, such that they can be reinstalled. I never tried it but have seen a favorable report/three, & at least one report that was "iffy". http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/w98_restore.html Badour has one http://aumha.org/win4/a/clean.htm Aumha has one http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=250928 How to Reinstall Windows http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=193902 How to Reinstall Windows into a new folder "Setup.txt", located in the same folder as "Setup.exe", either on CD or hard drive. This instructs how to run it from a folder on the hard drive, but "hexff" says it better. http://support.microsoft.com/default...71&Product=w98 "SU" Error Message List for Windows 95, Windows 98, and Windows Me Setup Get a Startup Diskette from http://www.bootdisk.com/ , if you don't already have one from "Control Panel, Add/Remove Programs, Startup Disk tab". Test the Startup Diskette. Boot it, put in a CD and "DIR" the CD. It will say which letter is the CD. (Otherwise, it is likely one letter higher than normal.) Here is what I know of those Installation CD's. The full list of capabilities of each type of CD is as follows, says Harper. Each requires a valid Product key. "Proof" means it must see you had a prior version. So, if it isn't sitting there, expect to insert a floppy or earlier CD. FULL VERSION: Will perform either clean install or upgrade of existing OS. Does not ask for proof of ownership of an earlier version. UPGRADE VERSION: Will perform either clean install or upgrade of existing OS. Will ask for proof of ownership of an earlier version if one is not installed. WIN98 SE UPDATES: Will only install if Windows 98 is present on the hard drive. Cannot be used for a clean install at all. OEM VERSION: Only installs on a clean, fresh-formatted hard drive. May be customized to include or omit components that would be found/not found on a retail CD. Be sure of your ProductKey... HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion ProductKey "12345-12345-12345-12345-12345" (1) "START, Run, RegEdit" (2) Click plus signs beginning at "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE", & ending with "Windows". (3) Click "CurrentVersion" in the left pane under "Windows". (4) Look in right pane for ProductKey. That is the one that was used to install your current Windows. Jot it down, as it may work if different from the one on your Windows 98 Manual or CD case. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, should things get worse after this, PCR "Chris B." emailnameaccount.com.invalid wrote in message ... | I am running Windows 98 SE which is badly in need of cleaning and | reinstallation. I have read the Microsoft notice on Windows 98 SE support | through June 2006. Do you think this means that if I format my drive and do | a clean install of 98 SE I can expect to connect with Windows Update and | download ALL the past updates until June 2006? | I am not able to manage the new PC I would like at this time. In | another year, I could. | Thanks for your help. | | Chris | | |
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