The Color 'Red' is missing

"cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)" wrote in
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On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:54:17 -0400, "webster72n"

In Properties/Settings under 'Colors' the color red is now completely
missing, while at first it sporadically changed back to 'normal' with all
colors present.
This makes the display appear greenish and the former blue purplish.
Otherwise no changes.

Klap (hit lightly) the monitor; it may be a dry joint is cutting out
the red color gun. Also, check the pins in the plug that plugs the
monitor's signal lead into the PC; it may be that pin(s) corresponding
to the red signal are bent out of their correct path.

Does this indicate the monitor going bad'?

As above. If CMOS Setup also looks blue-purplish, then it's most
likely the monitor or its cabling.

Tried the cable already, but what about the "Degauss Switch"?
No "Menu" button on this baby.
Seems to be working fairly "steady" right now. H.




--------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - -
To one who only has a hammer,
everything looks like a nail
--------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - -

Thanks for the heads-up Mart, I wasn't aware of that.
I thought it was only with LCD monitors.

George Gee


"Mart" wrote in message
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Some do, some don't George - seems to depend on their make and more so,
their age.

Mart


"George Gee" wrote in message
...
Heirloom

If Harry's screen is a CRT, it will not show any information
i.e. no screensaver or "Have no signal".

George Gee




"Heirloom" wrote in message
...
I explained that in my earlier post, H. Simply turn on your monitor,
without turning on the cpu....you can leave everything connected. Your
monitor should have some sort of screen saver built in that will inform
you that you "have no signal" and "the monitor is working
properly"....usually, a small window of varying colors that moves around
on the screen. Additionally, you should have access to the menu of
settings which includes the color adjustments, skew, brightness,
contrast, etc. If these menu items and the screen saver message are of
proper color, then the problem is with something other than your monitor,
i.e. the video cable, the connections or the video card and/or the
integrity of its' seating. If the color is okay in the monitor only
test, try first reconnecting the video cable at both ends. If this does
not help, then try 'reseating' the video card (taking proper precautions
of disconnecting power and grounding yourself to the case or suitable
ground so as not to destroy any static sensitive devices).

If the color is out of whack in the monitor only test, you have a bad
monitor and, as stated by someone earlier, don't waste your money
getting a CRT fixed. Bite the bullet and get an LCD....they are getting
pretty cheap now. If the video cable is at fault, you can 'usually'
reproduce the symptoms by moving or wiggling the cable and connections.
If this fails to help, you are left with swapping the video
card.....they, too, are getting pretty cheap.......you could probably
find someone that will give you one of their old 32 or 64Meg cards that
is still working well.

Suggest you go back through the pertinent portions of this thread, all
the suggestions seem to have been valid.
Heirloom, old and must find some
sustinence

"webster72n" wrote in message
...

With just the monitor on, H?
How does that play out?
(Don't mind my ignorance!) H.

Harry wrote :-

With a bit of luck, that degauss switch may just be my answer, we'll see.

Harry, unless you've got a faulty monitor (which is in doubt anyway!) or an
odd-ball make, all (CRT) monitors automatically degauss themselves on every
'cold' or 'warm' (return from standby) power-up. - If you listen carefully,
you may even hear the current surge through the degaussing coils immediately
the power is applied. - So it's very unlikely, unless you've got other
magnetic devices or fields close to your screen and/or you never down-power
your monitor) to be your problem.

Mart


"webster72n" wrote in message
...

There is no menu button on my monitor, H.
Instead I have a "Pin Cushion" button and a "Degauss Switch", besides the
vertical and horizontal adjustments.
With a bit of luck, that degauss switch may just be my answer, we'll see.

Harry.


"Heirloom" wrote in message
...
Mine did...........all three of them. Odd. Even at that, would the menu
button not respond?? I would think it should.
Heirloom, old and worked for me

"George Gee" wrote in message
...
Heirloom

If Harry's screen is a CRT, it will not show any information
i.e. no screensaver or "Have no signal".

George Gee




"Heirloom" wrote in message
...
I explained that in my earlier post, H. Simply turn on your
monitor,
without turning on the cpu....you can leave everything connected. Your
monitor should have some sort of screen saver built in that will inform
you that you "have no signal" and "the monitor is working
properly"....usually, a small window of varying colors that moves
around
on the screen. Additionally, you should have access to the menu of
settings which includes the color adjustments, skew, brightness,
contrast,
etc. If these menu items and the screen saver message are of proper
color, then the problem is with something other than your monitor, i.e.
the video cable, the connections or the video card and/or the integrity
of
its' seating. If the color is okay in the monitor only test, try first
reconnecting the video cable at both ends. If this does not help, then
try 'reseating' the video card (taking proper precautions of
disconnecting
power and grounding yourself to the case or suitable ground so as not
to
destroy any static sensitive devices).

If the color is out of whack in the monitor only test, you have a bad
monitor and, as stated by someone earlier, don't waste your money
getting
a CRT fixed. Bite the bullet and get an LCD....they are getting
pretty
cheap now. If the video cable is at fault, you can 'usually'
reproduce
the symptoms by moving or wiggling the cable and connections. If this
fails to help, you are left with swapping the video card.....they,
too,
are getting pretty cheap.......you could probably find someone that
will
give you one of their old 32 or 64Meg cards that is still working
well.

Suggest you go back through the pertinent portions of this thread, all
the suggestions seem to have been valid.
Heirloom, old and must find
some
sustinence

"webster72n" wrote in message
...

With just the monitor on, H?
How does that play out?
(Don't mind my ignorance!) H.

As I already discovered, Mart, it didn't have any effect on the color
scheme.
For now I'm putting up with this 'minor inconvenience', until getting a
chance to obtain an LCD Monitor.
Thanks for all your help.

Harry.


"Mart" wrote in message
...
Harry wrote :-

With a bit of luck, that degauss switch may just be my answer, we'll
see.

Harry, unless you've got a faulty monitor (which is in doubt anyway!) or
an
odd-ball make, all (CRT) monitors automatically degauss themselves on
every
'cold' or 'warm' (return from standby) power-up. - If you listen
carefully,
you may even hear the current surge through the degaussing coils
immediately
the power is applied. - So it's very unlikely, unless you've got other
magnetic devices or fields close to your screen and/or you never
down-power
your monitor) to be your problem.

Mart


"webster72n" wrote in message
...

There is no menu button on my monitor, H.
Instead I have a "Pin Cushion" button and a "Degauss Switch", besides
the
vertical and horizontal adjustments.
With a bit of luck, that degauss switch may just be my answer, we'll
see.

Harry.


"Heirloom" wrote in message
...
Mine did...........all three of them. Odd. Even at that, would the
menu
button not respond?? I would think it should.
Heirloom, old and worked for me

"George Gee" wrote in message
...
Heirloom

If Harry's screen is a CRT, it will not show any information
i.e. no screensaver or "Have no signal".

George Gee




"Heirloom" wrote in message
...
I explained that in my earlier post, H. Simply turn on your
monitor,
without turning on the cpu....you can leave everything connected.
Your
monitor should have some sort of screen saver built in that will
inform
you that you "have no signal" and "the monitor is working
properly"....usually, a small window of varying colors that moves
around
on the screen. Additionally, you should have access to the menu of
settings which includes the color adjustments, skew, brightness,
contrast,
etc. If these menu items and the screen saver message are of proper
color, then the problem is with something other than your monitor,
i.e.
the video cable, the connections or the video card and/or the
integrity
of
its' seating. If the color is okay in the monitor only test, try
first
reconnecting the video cable at both ends. If this does not help,
then
try 'reseating' the video card (taking proper precautions of
disconnecting
power and grounding yourself to the case or suitable ground so as not
to
destroy any static sensitive devices).

If the color is out of whack in the monitor only test, you have a
bad
monitor and, as stated by someone earlier, don't waste your money
getting
a CRT fixed. Bite the bullet and get an LCD....they are getting
pretty
cheap now. If the video cable is at fault, you can 'usually'
reproduce
the symptoms by moving or wiggling the cable and connections. If
this
fails to help, you are left with swapping the video card.....they,
too,
are getting pretty cheap.......you could probably find someone that
will
give you one of their old 32 or 64Meg cards that is still working
well.

Suggest you go back through the pertinent portions of this thread,
all
the suggestions seem to have been valid.
Heirloom, old and must find
some
sustinence

"webster72n" wrote in message
...

With just the monitor on, H?
How does that play out?
(Don't mind my ignorance!) H.

Harry,

You might find this little utility (freeware) from Nokia helpful in
determining the purity of your colours - not to mention the geometry of your
screen.
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multime...tor-Test.shtml

Mart

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:41:43 -0400, "webster72n"

To sum it up, Mart, I haven't tried the 'thumping' or any of the other
interferences, since there is no reason for it to become loose.

CRT monitors have failure-over-time that resemble mechanical devices,
and that's because some factors are common to both:
- transisions between heat and cold
- mechanical tug on some components due to switching magnetic fields

So often, soldered joints can crack. When the monitor cools, the
metal surfaces may shrink away from each other, and when hot, they may
expand into contact. In practice, the pattern is usually more random
than "fails when cold, OK when hot".

When I started up now, everything is ok., but later on, mostly when I'm
connected with Yahoo or Google, it will happen again, I'm sure. Seems like
the green is missing in the color scheme too.

IF these effects are...
- absolute, i.e. when red dies, all red everywhere is gone
- pervade all contexts, including outside Windows
....then this is most likely monitor or other display hardware. As
such, which web site you were on etc. become immaterial.



--------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - -
To one who only has a hammer,
everything looks like a nail
--------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - -

Degaussing is not going to cure you lack of red problem.
Heirloom, old and used to be done with a
large coil

"webster72n" wrote in message
...

There is no menu button on my monitor, H.
Instead I have a "Pin Cushion" button and a "Degauss Switch", besides the
vertical and horizontal adjustments.
With a bit of luck, that degauss switch may just be my answer, we'll see.

Harry.


"Heirloom" wrote in message
...
Mine did...........all three of them. Odd. Even at that, would the menu
button not respond?? I would think it should.
Heirloom, old and worked for me

"George Gee" wrote in message
...
Heirloom

If Harry's screen is a CRT, it will not show any information
i.e. no screensaver or "Have no signal".

George Gee




"Heirloom" wrote in message
...
I explained that in my earlier post, H. Simply turn on your
monitor,
without turning on the cpu....you can leave everything connected. Your
monitor should have some sort of screen saver built in that will inform
you that you "have no signal" and "the monitor is working
properly"....usually, a small window of varying colors that moves
around
on the screen. Additionally, you should have access to the menu of
settings which includes the color adjustments, skew, brightness,
contrast,
etc. If these menu items and the screen saver message are of proper
color, then the problem is with something other than your monitor, i.e.
the video cable, the connections or the video card and/or the integrity
of
its' seating. If the color is okay in the monitor only test, try first
reconnecting the video cable at both ends. If this does not help, then
try 'reseating' the video card (taking proper precautions of
disconnecting
power and grounding yourself to the case or suitable ground so as not
to
destroy any static sensitive devices).

If the color is out of whack in the monitor only test, you have a bad
monitor and, as stated by someone earlier, don't waste your money
getting
a CRT fixed. Bite the bullet and get an LCD....they are getting
pretty
cheap now. If the video cable is at fault, you can 'usually'
reproduce
the symptoms by moving or wiggling the cable and connections. If this
fails to help, you are left with swapping the video card.....they,
too,
are getting pretty cheap.......you could probably find someone that
will
give you one of their old 32 or 64Meg cards that is still working
well.

Suggest you go back through the pertinent portions of this thread, all
the suggestions seem to have been valid.
Heirloom, old and must find
some
sustinence

"webster72n" wrote in message
...

With just the monitor on, H?
How does that play out?
(Don't mind my ignorance!) H.

This is very good to know, cquirke, thank you. H.


"cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)" wrote in
message news
On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:41:43 -0400, "webster72n"

To sum it up, Mart, I haven't tried the 'thumping' or any of the other
interferences, since there is no reason for it to become loose.

CRT monitors have failure-over-time that resemble mechanical devices,
and that's because some factors are common to both:
- transisions between heat and cold
- mechanical tug on some components due to switching magnetic fields

So often, soldered joints can crack. When the monitor cools, the
metal surfaces may shrink away from each other, and when hot, they may
expand into contact. In practice, the pattern is usually more random
than "fails when cold, OK when hot".

When I started up now, everything is ok., but later on, mostly when I'm
connected with Yahoo or Google, it will happen again, I'm sure. Seems
like
the green is missing in the color scheme too.

IF these effects are...
- absolute, i.e. when red dies, all red everywhere is gone
- pervade all contexts, including outside Windows
...then this is most likely monitor or other display hardware. As
such, which web site you were on etc. become immaterial.



--------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - -
To one who only has a hammer,
everything looks like a nail
--------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - -

Thanks very much, Mart. MH.


"Mart" wrote in message
...
Harry,

You might find this little utility (freeware) from Nokia helpful in
determining the purity of your colours - not to mention the geometry of
your
screen.

http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multime...tor-Test.shtml

Mart

Heirloom:

When starting this thread, I had no idea it would develop such a 'long
tail'.
It surely helped me find a solution.
Thanks to all.

Harry.


"Heirloom" wrote in message
...
Degaussing is not going to cure you lack of red problem.
Heirloom, old and used to be done with
a
large coil

"webster72n" wrote in message
...

There is no menu button on my monitor, H.
Instead I have a "Pin Cushion" button and a "Degauss Switch", besides
the
vertical and horizontal adjustments.
With a bit of luck, that degauss switch may just be my answer, we'll
see.

Harry.


"Heirloom" wrote in message
...
Mine did...........all three of them. Odd. Even at that, would the
menu
button not respond?? I would think it should.
Heirloom, old and worked for me

"George Gee" wrote in message
...
Heirloom

If Harry's screen is a CRT, it will not show any information
i.e. no screensaver or "Have no signal".

George Gee




"Heirloom" wrote in message
...
I explained that in my earlier post, H. Simply turn on your
monitor,
without turning on the cpu....you can leave everything connected.
Your
monitor should have some sort of screen saver built in that will
inform
you that you "have no signal" and "the monitor is working
properly"....usually, a small window of varying colors that moves
around
on the screen. Additionally, you should have access to the menu of
settings which includes the color adjustments, skew, brightness,
contrast,
etc. If these menu items and the screen saver message are of proper
color, then the problem is with something other than your monitor,
i.e.
the video cable, the connections or the video card and/or the
integrity
of
its' seating. If the color is okay in the monitor only test, try
first
reconnecting the video cable at both ends. If this does not help,
then
try 'reseating' the video card (taking proper precautions of
disconnecting
power and grounding yourself to the case or suitable ground so as not
to
destroy any static sensitive devices).

If the color is out of whack in the monitor only test, you have a
bad
monitor and, as stated by someone earlier, don't waste your money
getting
a CRT fixed. Bite the bullet and get an LCD....they are getting
pretty
cheap now. If the video cable is at fault, you can 'usually'
reproduce
the symptoms by moving or wiggling the cable and connections. If
this
fails to help, you are left with swapping the video card.....they,
too,
are getting pretty cheap.......you could probably find someone that
will
give you one of their old 32 or 64Meg cards that is still working
well.

Suggest you go back through the pertinent portions of this thread,
all
the suggestions seem to have been valid.
Heirloom, old and must find
some
sustinence

"webster72n" wrote in message
...

With just the monitor on, H?
How does that play out?
(Don't mind my ignorance!) H.