gotta say.. so long ME

Don't know who told you Windows Me is limited to 512Mb RAM but that
was incorrect.

Even WFWG 3.11 runs fine with more than 512Mb. Only above 768Mb does
it start to get dicey.

As for Windows Me, I've been running it for some time with 1Gb of RAM
with no problems. Just don't go above 1Gb.

You want to limit VCACHE to 512Mb though. That's where the problems
are.

Ubuntu is a fine OS, to be sure, but no need to bury good old Me yet.


On Jun 26, 9:50?am, "Ogg" wrote:
I really really really wanted to believe that ME would serve me well for the
rest of my days with modest upgrades as required. Afterall, I upgraded the
original box with USB 2.0 and even replaced the original NIC. ME continued
to perform well. But all I really wanted was to be able to load atleast 3
apps in memory (Wordperfect, my browser, and WindowsExplorer as I navigated
through files over my network). Suddenly, Explorer.exe would close and fail
to reload the Taskbar apps! The only solution was to reboot. Very time
consuming and frustrating. Then when I learned that ME is theoretically
limited to 512meg ram and that the only way to use more ram is to trick ME
to think there is LESS, that disappointed me. Under those conditions it's
better to get a new OS that can handle that. And.. I really don't want to
spend more $'s on a new box when I've already invested in a fine 120gig hdd,
USB 2.0 expansion, 768meg total ram, and a better (DVI-capable) video card.

..Ogg.

"Alias" wrote..
Admittedly, I have sofar only run Ubuntu via Live-CD. ..
..but it was definitely higher than 1024x768.

Mine, too, but it got even better with the restricted drivers.

That's good to know. I am looking forward to the conversion to Ubuntu. I
have a really nice new (yet outdated by today's technology) AGP card with
DVI output intended for the old WinME pc. I want to be able to utilize that
without incident.

Ogg wrote:

That's good to know. I am looking forward to the conversion to
Ubuntu. I have a really nice new (yet outdated by today's
technology) AGP card with DVI output intended for the old WinME pc. I
want to be able to utilize that without incident.

Once again I have to say that your posts to this thread are the only ones
that I can find about Win Me having any problem with AGP. Other than for
yourself and your system I can confidently assure you that Win Me has no
such problems and that therefore you need to look a lot closer to home
than the operating system for any AGP problems you might have experienced
when running Win Me and should check for defective hardware.
--
Mike Maltby
MS-MVP Windows

AGP problems are documented on the MS tech site. Manipulating Vcache one
source of the problem.

"Mike M" wrote..
Once again I have to say that your posts to this thread are the only ones
that I can find about Win Me having any problem with AGP. Other than for
yourself and your system I can confidently assure you that Win Me has no
such problems..

Ogg wrote:
"Alias" wrote..
Admittedly, I have sofar only run Ubuntu via Live-CD. ..
..but it was definitely higher than 1024x768.
Mine, too, but it got even better with the restricted drivers.

That's good to know. I am looking forward to the conversion to Ubuntu. I
have a really nice new (yet outdated by today's technology) AGP card with
DVI output intended for the old WinME pc. I want to be able to utilize that
without incident.




What model card is it? How many MBs?

Alias

"Alias" wrote..
What model card is it? How many MBs?

The new card (with a dual DVI + analog output) is a modest e-GeForce 6200LE
4x 128meg.

The original card is a GeForce2 MX 400 2x 64meg.

The latter one seemed to work ok until I added 512meg for a total of 768meg
system ram. Vcache was set to 512.

ME with the new card was more unstable.

Ogg wrote:
"Alias" wrote..
What model card is it? How many MBs?

The new card (with a dual DVI + analog output) is a modest e-GeForce 6200LE
4x 128meg.

That will work fine.

Alias

The original card is a GeForce2 MX 400 2x 64meg.

The latter one seemed to work ok until I added 512meg for a total of 768meg
system ram. Vcache was set to 512.

ME with the new card was more unstable.

Referring to my proposal to attempt to install Ubuntu, Alias wrote :-

Once you've done all that, get back to me about Beryl.

Well, I'm sadly disappointed with my (many) attempts to successfully install
Ubuntu 6.06 (let alone 7.04). Probably the wrong forum but FWIW - I decided
to install it on my D: drive (WinMe being installed on the C: - which runs
like a well oiled clock).

Big mistake! - It's installed a Boot Manager on the C: which I can't get rid
of - but that's another story - and a PITA.

v 6.06 runs (if that's the right word) very slowly, eventually recognises my
PCI WiFi card and subsequently sees my router but won't let me connect.
OTOH, v7.04 doesn't recognise the card (nor my ps/2 mouse either!!) so still
doesn't connect. If I try to re-edit the 'Networks' settings in v6.06, it
won't reboot - just hangs until I re-install it. Jeepers! I thought that
I'd lived thru' enough hours watching spinning egg-timers loading (and
re-loading) MS OS's over the past years but they don't hold a candle to
Ubuntu.

Nah - Sorry Beryl, 'fraid you're going to have to wait. I think I'll stick
with WinMe (and XP of course) for a while longer yet.

Mart



"Alias" wrote in message
...
Mart wrote:
Thanks Alias, I might now take Ubuntu a bit more seriously and get around
to opening one of my boxes, swap the HDD for a spare and install Ubuntu -
your response makes it seem a bit more worthwhile. It doesn't run too
well on my old 200MMX with 256 MB of RAM, directly from the CD. Probably
needs the 'virtual memory' to get things to run a bit more effectively.

BTW - did you find the 'restricted drivers' elsewhere on the CD or did
you have to download them from a completely different (manufactures web
site?) source?

Mart

The restricted drivers for nVidia can be found once you've installed
Ubuntu 7.04 by clicking on System/Administration/Restricted Drivers
Manager. It takes five seconds or so.

Also, for the codecs, etc. go to
http://www.getautomatix.com/wiki/ind...e=Installation

Once you've downloaded it, just double click on the setup like you would
with Windows.

Once you've done all that, get back to me about Beryl.

Alias
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Mart wrote:
Referring to my proposal to attempt to install Ubuntu, Alias wrote :-

Once you've done all that, get back to me about Beryl.

Well, I'm sadly disappointed with my (many) attempts to successfully install
Ubuntu 6.06 (let alone 7.04). Probably the wrong forum but FWIW - I decided
to install it on my D: drive (WinMe being installed on the C: - which runs
like a well oiled clock).

Big mistake! - It's installed a Boot Manager on the C: which I can't get rid
of - but that's another story - and a PITA.

v 6.06 runs (if that's the right word) very slowly, eventually recognises my
PCI WiFi card and subsequently sees my router but won't let me connect.
OTOH, v7.04 doesn't recognise the card (nor my ps/2 mouse either!!) so still
doesn't connect. If I try to re-edit the 'Networks' settings in v6.06, it
won't reboot - just hangs until I re-install it. Jeepers! I thought that
I'd lived thru' enough hours watching spinning egg-timers loading (and
re-loading) MS OS's over the past years but they don't hold a candle to
Ubuntu.

Nah - Sorry Beryl, 'fraid you're going to have to wait. I think I'll stick
with WinMe (and XP of course) for a while longer yet.

Mart

Try putting a new hard drive in. I don't know but maybe Me and Ubuntu
can't co-exist.

Alias



"Alias" wrote in message
...
Mart wrote:
Thanks Alias, I might now take Ubuntu a bit more seriously and get around
to opening one of my boxes, swap the HDD for a spare and install Ubuntu -
your response makes it seem a bit more worthwhile. It doesn't run too
well on my old 200MMX with 256 MB of RAM, directly from the CD. Probably
needs the 'virtual memory' to get things to run a bit more effectively.

BTW - did you find the 'restricted drivers' elsewhere on the CD or did
you have to download them from a completely different (manufactures web
site?) source?

Mart
The restricted drivers for nVidia can be found once you've installed
Ubuntu 7.04 by clicking on System/Administration/Restricted Drivers
Manager. It takes five seconds or so.

Also, for the codecs, etc. go to
http://www.getautomatix.com/wiki/ind...e=Installation

Once you've downloaded it, just double click on the setup like you would
with Windows.

Once you've done all that, get back to me about Beryl.

Alias
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"Alias" wrote in message
...
Mart wrote:
Referring to my proposal to attempt to install Ubuntu, Alias wrote :-

Once you've done all that, get back to me about Beryl.

Well, I'm sadly disappointed with my (many) attempts to successfully
install
Ubuntu 6.06 (let alone 7.04). Probably the wrong forum but FWIW - I
decided
to install it on my D: drive (WinMe being installed on the C: - which
runs
like a well oiled clock).

Big mistake! - It's installed a Boot Manager on the C: which I can't get
rid
of - but that's another story - and a PITA.

v 6.06 runs (if that's the right word) very slowly, eventually
recognises my
PCI WiFi card and subsequently sees my router but won't let me connect.
OTOH, v7.04 doesn't recognise the card (nor my ps/2 mouse either!!) so
still
doesn't connect. If I try to re-edit the 'Networks' settings in v6.06,
it
won't reboot - just hangs until I re-install it. Jeepers! I thought
that
I'd lived thru' enough hours watching spinning egg-timers loading (and
re-loading) MS OS's over the past years but they don't hold a candle to
Ubuntu.

Nah - Sorry Beryl, 'fraid you're going to have to wait. I think I'll
stick
with WinMe (and XP of course) for a while longer yet.

Mart

Try putting a new hard drive in. I don't know but maybe Me and Ubuntu
can't co-exist.

That's exactly what I plan to do, Alias and, hopefully, successfully too, by
dual-booting. I am surprised, that Mart tried his adventure, because you
have called attention to it before, if I rmember correctly. Think he might
back up and give it another try? There shouldn't be any conflicts between
the two, if residing on seperate drives.
Come to think of it, he also may have used the wrong version.
The one before me is ver. 6.06 LTS, sent to me directly from "Yonder".

Harry.

Alias



"Alias" wrote in message
...
Mart wrote:
Thanks Alias, I might now take Ubuntu a bit more seriously and get
around
to opening one of my boxes, swap the HDD for a spare and install
Ubuntu -
your response makes it seem a bit more worthwhile. It doesn't run too
well on my old 200MMX with 256 MB of RAM, directly from the CD.
Probably
needs the 'virtual memory' to get things to run a bit more
effectively.

BTW - did you find the 'restricted drivers' elsewhere on the CD or did
you have to download them from a completely different (manufactures
web
site?) source?

Mart
The restricted drivers for nVidia can be found once you've installed
Ubuntu 7.04 by clicking on System/Administration/Restricted Drivers
Manager. It takes five seconds or so.

Also, for the codecs, etc. go to
http://www.getautomatix.com/wiki/ind...e=Installation

Once you've downloaded it, just double click on the setup like you
would
with Windows.

Once you've done all that, get back to me about Beryl.

Alias
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