Time Zone Question

I'm in the Eastern Daylight Savings Time Zone. My Time in the tray is
correct. Clicking on the time in the tray shows my Time Zone as 05:00 ?
Should that be 04:00 for Daylight Savings now ?
Fred

No.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Fred" sorry@no can do.net wrote in message
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I'm in the Eastern Daylight Savings Time Zone. My Time in the tray is
correct. Clicking on the time in the tray shows my Time Zone as 05:00 ?
Should that be 04:00 for Daylight Savings now ?
Fred

Tks Glen
Fred

"glee" wrote in message
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No.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Fred" sorry@no can do.net wrote in message
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I'm in the Eastern Daylight Savings Time Zone. My Time in the tray is
correct. Clicking on the time in the tray shows my Time Zone as 05:00 ?
Should that be 04:00 for Daylight Savings now ?
Fred

That list of Time Zones only shows the Standard Time offset. Your post shows
that you are currently set at GMT -04:00, which is correct for Eastern
Daylight Time.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Fred" sorry@no can do.net wrote in message
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I'm in the Eastern Daylight Savings Time Zone. My Time in the tray is
correct. Clicking on the time in the tray shows my Time Zone as 05:00 ?
Should that be 04:00 for Daylight Savings now ?
Fred

Thanks
Fred

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
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That list of Time Zones only shows the Standard Time offset. Your post
shows
that you are currently set at GMT -04:00, which is correct for Eastern
Daylight Time.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Fred" sorry@no can do.net wrote in message
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I'm in the Eastern Daylight Savings Time Zone. My Time in the tray is
correct. Clicking on the time in the tray shows my Time Zone as 05:00 ?
Should that be 04:00 for Daylight Savings now ?
Fred

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in news:ep2S7hYaHHA.596
@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:

Gary S. Terhune

Gary, maybe this has been answered before.

I saw your posts several weeks ago for DST, saved the fixes then, but
decided to simply manually change the time when necessary and unchecked
Automatically Adjust for DST.

Is this method a problem in W98SE for some reason?

ms

Frankly, I don't know. If unchecking that item simply means that it won't
update your clock automatically, that's no biggy. But if it means that
Daylight Saving Time will not be considered at all, you have the following
issue.

Say you're in the Eastern Time Zone and you post a message at 8am, your
time. If you use OE, your message Date/Time header will say, in part:
"13:00:00 -0500" (sent at 13:00:00 GMT.) It will say that all year for a
post sent at 8 am sharp, according to your own clock. If you use the normal
Date/Time procedures and adjust for daylight saving time, that same email,
sent during DST, will read 12:00:00 -0400. In short, if you don't adjust
for DST, the rest of the world will think your post was sent an hour later
than it really was. So a post you sent at 5am, my time (PACIFIC), will show
as being sent at 6am, instead (13:00:00 -0700 instead of 12:00:00 -0700).

You'll be one hour out of sync. And even if all that check mark does is stop
the clock from being automatically adjusted, but not DST being calculated
properly vis-a-vis GMT, if you don't update the DST info in the Registry,
your time will appear off for those periods of difference between the old
DST rules and the new DST rules. You'll appear one hour ahead of the rest of
the world for three weeks in March and however many weeks DST is extended in
the Fall (assuming you're in the US.)

Your post was time-stamped 19 Mar 2007 14:14:42 GMT (XNews doesn't show GMT
offset it uses to calculate GMT, but I assume it does it the same as OE.)
What time did you really send it (your time) and what time zone are you in?

Note that email messages, etc., aren't the only things involved. If you have
any interaction with remote software (web-based or using some private server
elsewhere), and that software makes automatic time/date calculations based
upon your Zip code, for instance, you'll be out of sync. By your clock,
something occurred at 8am, but according to the server, it happened at 9am,
your time.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com


"ms" wrote in message
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"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in news:ep2S7hYaHHA.596
@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:

Gary S. Terhune

Gary, maybe this has been answered before.

I saw your posts several weeks ago for DST, saved the fixes then, but
decided to simply manually change the time when necessary and unchecked
Automatically Adjust for DST.

Is this method a problem in W98SE for some reason?

ms

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in
:

Frankly, I don't know. If unchecking that item simply means that it
won't update your clock automatically, that's no biggy. But if it
means that Daylight Saving Time will not be considered at all, you
have the following issue.

Say you're in the Eastern Time Zone and you post a message at 8am,
your time. If you use OE, your message Date/Time header will say, in
part: "13:00:00 -0500" (sent at 13:00:00 GMT.) It will say that all
year for a post sent at 8 am sharp, according to your own clock. If
you use the normal Date/Time procedures and adjust for daylight saving
time, that same email, sent during DST, will read 12:00:00 -0400. In
short, if you don't adjust for DST, the rest of the world will think
your post was sent an hour later than it really was. So a post you
sent at 5am, my time (PACIFIC), will show as being sent at 6am,
instead (13:00:00 -0700 instead of 12:00:00 -0700).

You'll be one hour out of sync. And even if all that check mark does
is stop the clock from being automatically adjusted, but not DST being
calculated properly vis-a-vis GMT, if you don't update the DST info in
the Registry, your time will appear off for those periods of
difference between the old DST rules and the new DST rules. You'll
appear one hour ahead of the rest of the world for three weeks in
March and however many weeks DST is extended in the Fall (assuming
you're in the US.)

Your post was time-stamped 19 Mar 2007 14:14:42 GMT (XNews doesn't
show GMT offset it uses to calculate GMT, but I assume it does it the
same as OE.) What time did you really send it (your time) and what
time zone are you in?


I am in the Pacific Coast Time Zone, (Oregon), IIRC, I sent it about 8:30
AM local time.

Note that email messages, etc., aren't the only things involved. If
you have any interaction with remote software (web-based or using some
private server elsewhere), and that software makes automatic time/date
calculations based upon your Zip code, for instance, you'll be out of
sync. By your clock, something occurred at 8am, but according to the
server, it happened at 9am, your time.


No remote software involved here. I did this change when the DST
occurred, several weeks ago, haven't noticed any ill effects. Being a
morning person, I tend to post early AM. I rarely see a response before
the next morning, as many people post at night. So being one hour out of
sync is probably not a big issue for me.

In the past, I've saved several threads on my issues here. In later
editing, the time correlation to figure the order to sequence replies is
very difficult to figure out. And that's just the basic time differences
in different time zones.

ms

"ms" wrote in message
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"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in
:

Frankly, I don't know. If unchecking that item simply means that it
won't update your clock automatically, that's no biggy. But if it
means that Daylight Saving Time will not be considered at all, you
have the following issue.

Say you're in the Eastern Time Zone and you post a message at 8am,
your time. If you use OE, your message Date/Time header will say, in
part: "13:00:00 -0500" (sent at 13:00:00 GMT.) It will say that all
year for a post sent at 8 am sharp, according to your own clock. If
you use the normal Date/Time procedures and adjust for daylight saving
time, that same email, sent during DST, will read 12:00:00 -0400. In
short, if you don't adjust for DST, the rest of the world will think
your post was sent an hour later than it really was. So a post you
sent at 5am, my time (PACIFIC), will show as being sent at 6am,
instead (13:00:00 -0700 instead of 12:00:00 -0700).

You'll be one hour out of sync. And even if all that check mark does
is stop the clock from being automatically adjusted, but not DST being
calculated properly vis-a-vis GMT, if you don't update the DST info in
the Registry, your time will appear off for those periods of
difference between the old DST rules and the new DST rules. You'll
appear one hour ahead of the rest of the world for three weeks in
March and however many weeks DST is extended in the Fall (assuming
you're in the US.)

Your post was time-stamped 19 Mar 2007 14:14:42 GMT (XNews doesn't
show GMT offset it uses to calculate GMT, but I assume it does it the
same as OE.) What time did you really send it (your time) and what
time zone are you in?


I am in the Pacific Coast Time Zone, (Oregon), IIRC, I sent it about 8:30
AM local time.

I, too, am in the Pacific zone, and I show your post as sent at 7:14 am. If
you were on DST, and sent the post at 8:14 am, then GMT time stamp should
have been 15:14:42 (8:14:42 + 07:00), instead of 14:14:42. IOW, you're all
screwy, since if you were still on Standard time, the timestamp would have
been even later, 8:14:42 + 08:00, or 16:14:42 GMT. Your current stettings
indicate that you are either on Mountain Daylight time or Central Standard
time (GMT - 06:00). That's IF you sent the post at 08:14:42.

Note that email messages, etc., aren't the only things involved. If
you have any interaction with remote software (web-based or using some
private server elsewhere), and that software makes automatic time/date
calculations based upon your Zip code, for instance, you'll be out of
sync. By your clock, something occurred at 8am, but according to the
server, it happened at 9am, your time.


No remote software involved here. I did this change when the DST
occurred, several weeks ago, haven't noticed any ill effects. Being a
morning person, I tend to post early AM. I rarely see a response before
the next morning, as many people post at night. So being one hour out of
sync is probably not a big issue for me.

In the past, I've saved several threads on my issues here. In later
editing, the time correlation to figure the order to sequence replies is
very difficult to figure out. And that's just the basic time differences
in different time zones.

You simply need to look at the GMT part of the time stamp to know what order
they come in. But having your time off can affect the threading, making your
post seem to have been sent before it really was, or after it really was. As
for the other potential issues, it could conceivably affect things like
online services (banking, etc.)

Not sure why you don't just run the patch. It's harmless and can save a lot
of mental hassle.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in
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"ms" wrote in message
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"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in
:

Frankly, I don't know. If unchecking that item simply means that it
won't update your clock automatically, that's no biggy. But if it
means that Daylight Saving Time will not be considered at all, you
have the following issue.

Say you're in the Eastern Time Zone and you post a message at 8am,
your time. If you use OE, your message Date/Time header will say, in
part: "13:00:00 -0500" (sent at 13:00:00 GMT.) It will say that all
year for a post sent at 8 am sharp, according to your own clock. If
you use the normal Date/Time procedures and adjust for daylight
saving time, that same email, sent during DST, will read 12:00:00
-0400. In short, if you don't adjust for DST, the rest of the world
will think your post was sent an hour later than it really was. So a
post you sent at 5am, my time (PACIFIC), will show as being sent at
6am, instead (13:00:00 -0700 instead of 12:00:00 -0700).

You'll be one hour out of sync. And even if all that check mark does
is stop the clock from being automatically adjusted, but not DST
being calculated properly vis-a-vis GMT, if you don't update the DST
info in the Registry, your time will appear off for those periods of
difference between the old DST rules and the new DST rules. You'll
appear one hour ahead of the rest of the world for three weeks in
March and however many weeks DST is extended in the Fall (assuming
you're in the US.)

Your post was time-stamped 19 Mar 2007 14:14:42 GMT (XNews doesn't
show GMT offset it uses to calculate GMT, but I assume it does it
the same as OE.) What time did you really send it (your time) and
what time zone are you in?


I am in the Pacific Coast Time Zone, (Oregon), IIRC, I sent it about
8:30 AM local time.

I, too, am in the Pacific zone, and I show your post as sent at 7:14
am. If you were on DST, and sent the post at 8:14 am, then GMT time
stamp should have been 15:14:42 (8:14:42 + 07:00), instead of
14:14:42. IOW, you're all screwy, since if you were still on Standard
time, the timestamp would have been even later, 8:14:42 + 08:00, or
16:14:42 GMT. Your current stettings indicate that you are either on
Mountain Daylight time or Central Standard time (GMT - 06:00). That's
IF you sent the post at 08:14:42.

I just checked, it reads as expected, Pacific Time. But you convinced me,
see below.

Note that email messages, etc., aren't the only things involved. If
you have any interaction with remote software (web-based or using
some private server elsewhere), and that software makes automatic
time/date calculations based upon your Zip code, for instance,
you'll be out of sync. By your clock, something occurred at 8am, but
according to the server, it happened at 9am, your time.


No remote software involved here. I did this change when the DST
occurred, several weeks ago, haven't noticed any ill effects. Being a
morning person, I tend to post early AM. I rarely see a response
before the next morning, as many people post at night. So being one
hour out of sync is probably not a big issue for me.

In the past, I've saved several threads on my issues here. In later
editing, the time correlation to figure the order to sequence replies
is very difficult to figure out. And that's just the basic time
differences in different time zones.

You simply need to look at the GMT part of the time stamp to know what
order they come in. But having your time off can affect the threading,
making your post seem to have been sent before it really was, or after
it really was. As for the other potential issues, it could conceivably
affect things like online services (banking, etc.)

Not sure why you don't just run the patch. It's harmless and can save
a lot of mental hassle.


I'll do it. Of course, that's with my manual adjustment in place.

Thanks, Gary.