Security Updates CD and Windows Update

Can anyone explain to me why, on a fresh install of Windows ME, after
installing the Security Updates CD (Feb. 2004), Windows Updates no longer
functions? I get there OK, but when I click to scan for updates, it stalls
at 0%... Forever. I've tried this twice, from clean install on, with the
same results. I've also installed Scripting Engine 5.6 and Repaired IE as
per instructions from Windows Update T-Shooter. Even installed Java runtimes
and force reinstalled IE6 SP1. No luck.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

Quote:

What you are seeing when you visit the Windows Update site is a known
problem and started happening about two weeks ago. The problem is server
side not with your PC and the Microsoft's Windows Update team originally
denied any responsibility for the problem however the light has started to
come on and they have now changed their stance to "we are investigating".
I suggest you wait a few days and try again. Since Win Me like all Win 9x
operating systems is out of support don't expect those concerned at
Microsoft to expend much effort or be in a rush to get this problem fixed.
--
Mike Maltby


Unquote.

Zee



"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Can anyone explain to me why, on a fresh install of Windows ME, after
installing the Security Updates CD (Feb. 2004), Windows Updates no longer
functions? I get there OK, but when I click to scan for updates, it stalls
at 0%... Forever. I've tried this twice, from clean install on, with the
same results. I've also installed Scripting Engine 5.6 and Repaired IE as
per instructions from Windows Update T-Shooter. Even installed Java
runtimes and force reinstalled IE6 SP1. No luck.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

No explanation Gary, however I wonder what happens if you DON'T use the CD,
but rather go straight to the WU site after freshly installing WinMe and
attempt all the updates directly from there.

BTW - I'm quite sure that you would have been most patient, mine took some
30 seconds to update from 0% to 33% and maybe a minute or so to complete to
100% (on broadband) so the update scan is certainly still working.

Mart


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Can anyone explain to me why, on a fresh install of Windows ME, after
installing the Security Updates CD (Feb. 2004), Windows Updates no longer
functions? I get there OK, but when I click to scan for updates, it stalls
at 0%... Forever. I've tried this twice, from clean install on, with the
same results. I've also installed Scripting Engine 5.6 and Repaired IE as
per instructions from Windows Update T-Shooter. Even installed Java
runtimes and force reinstalled IE6 SP1. No luck.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Mart" wrote in message
...
No explanation Gary, however I wonder what happens if you DON'T use the
CD, but rather go straight to the WU site after freshly installing WinMe
and attempt all the updates directly from there.

My current project is my own Update set for 98, 98SE and ME systems, so that
I don't depend on WU. Who knows how much longer 9x users will be able to get
in. But I need the info there to know what to include. I'm now doing a new
install to see how many more updates it will take if I don't use the SecUp
CD, and to try just installing IE6SP1. All I know is that it works before I
run Micorosft's Updates CD and not afterwards.

BTW - I'm quite sure that you would have been most patient, mine took some
30 seconds to update from 0% to 33% and maybe a minute or so to complete
to 100% (on broadband) so the update scan is certainly still working.

I left it for two hours. On broadband.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Can anyone explain to me why, on a fresh install of Windows ME, after
installing the Security Updates CD (Feb. 2004), Windows Updates no longer
functions? I get there OK, but when I click to scan for updates, it
stalls at 0%... Forever. I've tried this twice, from clean install on,
with the same results. I've also installed Scripting Engine 5.6 and
Repaired IE as per instructions from Windows Update T-Shooter. Even
installed Java runtimes and force reinstalled IE6 SP1. No luck.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

I know about the "Welcome to Mac" page issue, but this is different. When I
can get to WU, it stalls at 0% when scanning for updates.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"oops!!" wrote in message
...
Quote:

What you are seeing when you visit the Windows Update site is a known
problem and started happening about two weeks ago. The problem is server
side not with your PC and the Microsoft's Windows Update team originally
denied any responsibility for the problem however the light has started to
come on and they have now changed their stance to "we are investigating".
I suggest you wait a few days and try again. Since Win Me like all Win 9x
operating systems is out of support don't expect those concerned at
Microsoft to expend much effort or be in a rush to get this problem fixed.
--
Mike Maltby


Unquote.

Zee



"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Can anyone explain to me why, on a fresh install of Windows ME, after
installing the Security Updates CD (Feb. 2004), Windows Updates no longer
functions? I get there OK, but when I click to scan for updates, it
stalls at 0%... Forever. I've tried this twice, from clean install on,
with the same results. I've also installed Scripting Engine 5.6 and
Repaired IE as per instructions from Windows Update T-Shooter. Even
installed Java runtimes and force reinstalled IE6 SP1. No luck.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

OK, it also happens if I only install IE6 SP1. Gonna make things
difficult...

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
I know about the "Welcome to Mac" page issue, but this is different. When I
can get to WU, it stalls at 0% when scanning for updates.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"oops!!" wrote in message
...
Quote:

What you are seeing when you visit the Windows Update site is a known
problem and started happening about two weeks ago. The problem is server
side not with your PC and the Microsoft's Windows Update team originally
denied any responsibility for the problem however the light has started
to
come on and they have now changed their stance to "we are investigating".
I suggest you wait a few days and try again. Since Win Me like all Win
9x
operating systems is out of support don't expect those concerned at
Microsoft to expend much effort or be in a rush to get this problem
fixed.
--
Mike Maltby


Unquote.

Zee



"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Can anyone explain to me why, on a fresh install of Windows ME, after
installing the Security Updates CD (Feb. 2004), Windows Updates no
longer functions? I get there OK, but when I click to scan for updates,
it stalls at 0%... Forever. I've tried this twice, from clean install
on, with the same results. I've also installed Scripting Engine 5.6 and
Repaired IE as per instructions from Windows Update T-Shooter. Even
installed Java runtimes and force reinstalled IE6 SP1. No luck.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

Gary,

Is this the "Unable to install all components" issue?

If it is, try this:

Go to My Computer - Tools - Folder Options - View:
- Select "Show hidden files and folders", click Apply - OK

Create a folder named "Old uninstall".

Go to folder C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\Uninstall Information.

Now Edit - Select All - Cut all files.

Open "Old uninstall" folder and paste the files.

You will now be able to install all the troublesome components.

If everything works as expected, you can delete the "Old Uninstall" folder
and the files you moved.

Good luck,

Zee






"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
OK, it also happens if I only install IE6 SP1. Gonna make things
difficult...

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
I know about the "Welcome to Mac" page issue, but this is different. When
I can get to WU, it stalls at 0% when scanning for updates.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"oops!!" wrote in message
...
Quote:

What you are seeing when you visit the Windows Update site is a known
problem and started happening about two weeks ago. The problem is
server
side not with your PC and the Microsoft's Windows Update team originally
denied any responsibility for the problem however the light has started
to
come on and they have now changed their stance to "we are
investigating".
I suggest you wait a few days and try again. Since Win Me like all Win
9x
operating systems is out of support don't expect those concerned at
Microsoft to expend much effort or be in a rush to get this problem
fixed.
--
Mike Maltby


Unquote.

Zee



"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Can anyone explain to me why, on a fresh install of Windows ME, after
installing the Security Updates CD (Feb. 2004), Windows Updates no
longer functions? I get there OK, but when I click to scan for updates,
it stalls at 0%... Forever. I've tried this twice, from clean install
on, with the same results. I've also installed Scripting Engine 5.6 and
Repaired IE as per instructions from Windows Update T-Shooter. Even
installed Java runtimes and force reinstalled IE6 SP1. No luck.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

Gary, although your proposal seems a fair and plausible reason to undertake
your current project, it doesn't isolate the cause of the failure. In other
words, is the CD aspect of the update the cause of the 0% stall or is the
problem due (as Zee has partly alluded elsewhere) to the 'current' WU site
issue. Maybe there's more than just the Mac issues - as Mike's quote
actually mentions 'server side' - hence my suggestion, thus eliminating the
CD (or not) as the real cause of the problem.

And I would certainly concede that two hours of no progress is a true test
of anyone's patience g

Mart


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
"Mart" wrote in message
...
No explanation Gary, however I wonder what happens if you DON'T use the
CD, but rather go straight to the WU site after freshly installing WinMe
and attempt all the updates directly from there.

My current project is my own Update set for 98, 98SE and ME systems, so
that I don't depend on WU. Who knows how much longer 9x users will be able
to get in. But I need the info there to know what to include. I'm now
doing a new install to see how many more updates it will take if I don't
use the SecUp CD, and to try just installing IE6SP1. All I know is that it
works before I run Micorosft's Updates CD and not afterwards.

BTW - I'm quite sure that you would have been most patient, mine took
some 30 seconds to update from 0% to 33% and maybe a minute or so to
complete to 100% (on broadband) so the update scan is certainly still
working.

I left it for two hours. On broadband.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Can anyone explain to me why, on a fresh install of Windows ME, after
installing the Security Updates CD (Feb. 2004), Windows Updates no
longer functions? I get there OK, but when I click to scan for updates,
it stalls at 0%... Forever. I've tried this twice, from clean install
on, with the same results. I've also installed Scripting Engine 5.6 and
Repaired IE as per instructions from Windows Update T-Shooter. Even
installed Java runtimes and force reinstalled IE6 SP1. No luck.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

Thanks, I'll give that a try after dinner...or later yet... Looking like a
night for insomnia.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"oops!!" wrote in message
...
Gary,

Is this the "Unable to install all components" issue?

If it is, try this:

Go to My Computer - Tools - Folder Options - View:
- Select "Show hidden files and folders", click Apply - OK

Create a folder named "Old uninstall".

Go to folder C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\Uninstall Information.

Now Edit - Select All - Cut all files.

Open "Old uninstall" folder and paste the files.

You will now be able to install all the troublesome components.

If everything works as expected, you can delete the "Old Uninstall" folder
and the files you moved.

Good luck,

Zee






"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
OK, it also happens if I only install IE6 SP1. Gonna make things
difficult...

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
I know about the "Welcome to Mac" page issue, but this is different. When
I can get to WU, it stalls at 0% when scanning for updates.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"oops!!" wrote in message
...
Quote:

What you are seeing when you visit the Windows Update site is a known
problem and started happening about two weeks ago. The problem is
server
side not with your PC and the Microsoft's Windows Update team
originally
denied any responsibility for the problem however the light has started
to
come on and they have now changed their stance to "we are
investigating".
I suggest you wait a few days and try again. Since Win Me like all Win
9x
operating systems is out of support don't expect those concerned at
Microsoft to expend much effort or be in a rush to get this problem
fixed.
--
Mike Maltby


Unquote.

Zee



"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Can anyone explain to me why, on a fresh install of Windows ME, after
installing the Security Updates CD (Feb. 2004), Windows Updates no
longer functions? I get there OK, but when I click to scan for
updates, it stalls at 0%... Forever. I've tried this twice, from clean
install on, with the same results. I've also installed Scripting
Engine 5.6 and Repaired IE as per instructions from Windows Update
T-Shooter. Even installed Java runtimes and force reinstalled IE6 SP1.
No luck.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

I tried the IE6 SP1 CD, too (one I made myself from downloads.) Next is to
install IE6, minimal, via WU.

Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me that this server issue goes beyond the Mac
page. Just wondering if anyone else is getting the same results. SecUp CD
and IE6 SP1 installs don't have this effect on Win98 or 98SE.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Mart" wrote in message
...
Gary, although your proposal seems a fair and plausible reason to
undertake your current project, it doesn't isolate the cause of the
failure. In other words, is the CD aspect of the update the cause of the
0% stall or is the problem due (as Zee has partly alluded elsewhere) to
the 'current' WU site issue. Maybe there's more than just the Mac issues -
as Mike's quote actually mentions 'server side' - hence my suggestion,
thus eliminating the CD (or not) as the real cause of the problem.

And I would certainly concede that two hours of no progress is a true test
of anyone's patience g

Mart


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
"Mart" wrote in message
...
No explanation Gary, however I wonder what happens if you DON'T use the
CD, but rather go straight to the WU site after freshly installing WinMe
and attempt all the updates directly from there.

My current project is my own Update set for 98, 98SE and ME systems, so
that I don't depend on WU. Who knows how much longer 9x users will be
able to get in. But I need the info there to know what to include. I'm
now doing a new install to see how many more updates it will take if I
don't use the SecUp CD, and to try just installing IE6SP1. All I know is
that it works before I run Micorosft's Updates CD and not afterwards.

BTW - I'm quite sure that you would have been most patient, mine took
some 30 seconds to update from 0% to 33% and maybe a minute or so to
complete to 100% (on broadband) so the update scan is certainly still
working.

I left it for two hours. On broadband.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Can anyone explain to me why, on a fresh install of Windows ME, after
installing the Security Updates CD (Feb. 2004), Windows Updates no
longer functions? I get there OK, but when I click to scan for updates,
it stalls at 0%... Forever. I've tried this twice, from clean install
on, with the same results. I've also installed Scripting Engine 5.6 and
Repaired IE as per instructions from Windows Update T-Shooter. Even
installed Java runtimes and force reinstalled IE6 SP1. No luck.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com