Security Updates CD and Windows Update

OK, now I have more testing to do! I installed ME, then the SecUp CD, then
went to WU and the scan succeeded! Only difference from before is that I
*didn't* visit WU and install ActiveX components before installing the SecUp
CD this time, whereas I'd always visited WU before installing the SecUp CD
on previous occasions. This would point to the solution offered by oops!,
perhaps?

Anyway, I now have two scenarios to test, and I'll watch my LAN settings
while I'm at it.

Later.... Much, much later... (where;s my pipe!?)

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"MowGreen [MVP]" wrote in message
...
GAry ... did you try these steps as suggested on the V4 Troubleshooter ?

Disable the options "Automatically detect settings" and "Use automatic
configuration script." To do this:
1. Open Internet Explorer.
2. Click "Tools," and then click "Internet Options."
3. Click "Connections," and then click "LAN Settings."
4. Make sure the check boxes for "Automatically detect settings" and "Use
automatic configuration script" are not selected.
Try to access the Windows Update site again.

Also, verify that you can connect to SSL-enabled Web sites (sites that
start with https://). Most online retailers use SSL (Secure Socket
Layer) sites during the checkout/payment process. If you've connected to
one of these sites in the past then chances are that SSL is working
correctly on your computer. You can also test your ability to connect to
SSL sites using a SSL test site like this:

https://www.stanford.edu/group/idg/l...cure/test.html

If you cannot connect to SSL sites then the Windows Update scan will not
work. Make sure
that the SSL port (port 443) is open on your network.

Dumb question but, is the system's time set correctly ?
And, what does the Windows Update.log show ?


MowGreen [MVP 2003-2007]
===============
*-343-* FDNY
Never Forgotten
===============



Gary S. Terhune wrote:

Thanks, I'll give that a try after dinner...or later yet... Looking like
a night for insomnia.

Gary,

Please note the workaround I proposed is specific to an error when upgrading
to IE6SP1 on WinME, and ONLY when an error message similar to "unable to
install all components" appears.

If this is one of the issues you are facing, do try the workaround.

Zee





"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
OK, now I have more testing to do! I installed ME, then the SecUp CD, then
went to WU and the scan succeeded! Only difference from before is that I
*didn't* visit WU and install ActiveX components before installing the
SecUp CD this time, whereas I'd always visited WU before installing the
SecUp CD on previous occasions. This would point to the solution offered
by oops!, perhaps?

Anyway, I now have two scenarios to test, and I'll watch my LAN settings
while I'm at it.

Later.... Much, much later... (where;s my pipe!?)

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"MowGreen [MVP]" wrote in message
...
GAry ... did you try these steps as suggested on the V4 Troubleshooter ?

Disable the options "Automatically detect settings" and "Use automatic
configuration script." To do this:
1. Open Internet Explorer.
2. Click "Tools," and then click "Internet Options."
3. Click "Connections," and then click "LAN Settings."
4. Make sure the check boxes for "Automatically detect settings" and
"Use automatic configuration script" are not selected.
Try to access the Windows Update site again.

Also, verify that you can connect to SSL-enabled Web sites (sites that
start with https://). Most online retailers use SSL (Secure Socket
Layer) sites during the checkout/payment process. If you've connected to
one of these sites in the past then chances are that SSL is working
correctly on your computer. You can also test your ability to connect
to SSL sites using a SSL test site like this:

https://www.stanford.edu/group/idg/l...cure/test.html

If you cannot connect to SSL sites then the Windows Update scan will not
work. Make sure
that the SSL port (port 443) is open on your network.

Dumb question but, is the system's time set correctly ?
And, what does the Windows Update.log show ?


MowGreen [MVP 2003-2007]
===============
*-343-* FDNY
Never Forgotten
===============



Gary S. Terhune wrote:

Thanks, I'll give that a try after dinner...or later yet... Looking like
a night for insomnia.

Only Updates called for by WU that I can't locate as stand-alone installers
are two Recommended updates, the "IE Navigation Sound" update (for 98, 98SE
and ME) and the "MovieMaker Update" for ME. Any ideas?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"MowGreen [MVP]" wrote in message
...
GAry ... did you try these steps as suggested on the V4 Troubleshooter ?

Disable the options "Automatically detect settings" and "Use automatic
configuration script." To do this:
1. Open Internet Explorer.
2. Click "Tools," and then click "Internet Options."
3. Click "Connections," and then click "LAN Settings."
4. Make sure the check boxes for "Automatically detect settings" and "Use
automatic configuration script" are not selected.
Try to access the Windows Update site again.

Also, verify that you can connect to SSL-enabled Web sites (sites that
start with https://). Most online retailers use SSL (Secure Socket
Layer) sites during the checkout/payment process. If you've connected to
one of these sites in the past then chances are that SSL is working
correctly on your computer. You can also test your ability to connect to
SSL sites using a SSL test site like this:

https://www.stanford.edu/group/idg/l...cure/test.html

If you cannot connect to SSL sites then the Windows Update scan will not
work. Make sure
that the SSL port (port 443) is open on your network.

Dumb question but, is the system's time set correctly ?
And, what does the Windows Update.log show ?


MowGreen [MVP 2003-2007]
===============
*-343-* FDNY
Never Forgotten
===============



Gary S. Terhune wrote:

Thanks, I'll give that a try after dinner...or later yet... Looking like
a night for insomnia.

See my reply to Mow. It would *appear* that the issue does indeed involve
component installation, since the one time I *didn't* visit WU and install
the ActiveX components *before* installing IE6, the scan worked OK. I'll be
testing further, and applying your workaround (and checking Mow's
suggestions) on a system where I visit WU before installing IE6.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"oops!!" wrote in message
...

Gary,

Please note the workaround I proposed is specific to an error when
upgrading to IE6SP1 on WinME, and ONLY when an error message similar to
"unable to install all components" appears.

If this is one of the issues you are facing, do try the workaround.

Zee





"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
OK, now I have more testing to do! I installed ME, then the SecUp CD,
then went to WU and the scan succeeded! Only difference from before is
that I *didn't* visit WU and install ActiveX components before installing
the SecUp CD this time, whereas I'd always visited WU before installing
the SecUp CD on previous occasions. This would point to the solution
offered by oops!, perhaps?

Anyway, I now have two scenarios to test, and I'll watch my LAN settings
while I'm at it.

Later.... Much, much later... (where;s my pipe!?)

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"MowGreen [MVP]" wrote in message
...
GAry ... did you try these steps as suggested on the V4 Troubleshooter ?

Disable the options "Automatically detect settings" and "Use automatic
configuration script." To do this:
1. Open Internet Explorer.
2. Click "Tools," and then click "Internet Options."
3. Click "Connections," and then click "LAN Settings."
4. Make sure the check boxes for "Automatically detect settings" and
"Use automatic configuration script" are not selected.
Try to access the Windows Update site again.

Also, verify that you can connect to SSL-enabled Web sites (sites that
start with https://). Most online retailers use SSL (Secure Socket
Layer) sites during the checkout/payment process. If you've connected
to one of these sites in the past then chances are that SSL is working
correctly on your computer. You can also test your ability to connect
to SSL sites using a SSL test site like this:

https://www.stanford.edu/group/idg/l...cure/test.html

If you cannot connect to SSL sites then the Windows Update scan will
not work. Make sure
that the SSL port (port 443) is open on your network.

Dumb question but, is the system's time set correctly ?
And, what does the Windows Update.log show ?


MowGreen [MVP 2003-2007]
===============
*-343-* FDNY
Never Forgotten
===============



Gary S. Terhune wrote:

Thanks, I'll give that a try after dinner...or later yet... Looking
like a night for insomnia.

OK, it did it again. I installed ME (clean install), then went to WU and
scanned for updates, installing all the components, then installed SecUp CD,
then went to WU... Scan sticks at 0%. Nothing ticked in LAN Settings, and
HTTPS/SSL works OK (though that link you gave me does not.)

Off to try the solution offered by oops!

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"MowGreen [MVP]" wrote in message
...
GAry ... did you try these steps as suggested on the V4 Troubleshooter ?

Disable the options "Automatically detect settings" and "Use automatic
configuration script." To do this:
1. Open Internet Explorer.
2. Click "Tools," and then click "Internet Options."
3. Click "Connections," and then click "LAN Settings."
4. Make sure the check boxes for "Automatically detect settings" and "Use
automatic configuration script" are not selected.
Try to access the Windows Update site again.

Also, verify that you can connect to SSL-enabled Web sites (sites that
start with https://). Most online retailers use SSL (Secure Socket
Layer) sites during the checkout/payment process. If you've connected to
one of these sites in the past then chances are that SSL is working
correctly on your computer. You can also test your ability to connect to
SSL sites using a SSL test site like this:

https://www.stanford.edu/group/idg/l...cure/test.html

If you cannot connect to SSL sites then the Windows Update scan will not
work. Make sure
that the SSL port (port 443) is open on your network.

Dumb question but, is the system's time set correctly ?
And, what does the Windows Update.log show ?


MowGreen [MVP 2003-2007]
===============
*-343-* FDNY
Never Forgotten
===============



Gary S. Terhune wrote:

Thanks, I'll give that a try after dinner...or later yet... Looking like
a night for insomnia.

There is no such folder as:
C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\Uninstall Information
on this system after installing IE6 SP1.

No folder with the word "uninstall" anywhere.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"oops!!" wrote in message
...
Gary,

Is this the "Unable to install all components" issue?

If it is, try this:

Go to My Computer - Tools - Folder Options - View:
- Select "Show hidden files and folders", click Apply - OK

Create a folder named "Old uninstall".

Go to folder C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\Uninstall Information.

Now Edit - Select All - Cut all files.

Open "Old uninstall" folder and paste the files.

You will now be able to install all the troublesome components.

If everything works as expected, you can delete the "Old Uninstall" folder
and the files you moved.

Good luck,

Zee






"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
OK, it also happens if I only install IE6 SP1. Gonna make things
difficult...

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
I know about the "Welcome to Mac" page issue, but this is different. When
I can get to WU, it stalls at 0% when scanning for updates.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"oops!!" wrote in message
...
Quote:

What you are seeing when you visit the Windows Update site is a known
problem and started happening about two weeks ago. The problem is
server
side not with your PC and the Microsoft's Windows Update team
originally
denied any responsibility for the problem however the light has started
to
come on and they have now changed their stance to "we are
investigating".
I suggest you wait a few days and try again. Since Win Me like all Win
9x
operating systems is out of support don't expect those concerned at
Microsoft to expend much effort or be in a rush to get this problem
fixed.
--
Mike Maltby


Unquote.

Zee



"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Can anyone explain to me why, on a fresh install of Windows ME, after
installing the Security Updates CD (Feb. 2004), Windows Updates no
longer functions? I get there OK, but when I click to scan for
updates, it stalls at 0%... Forever. I've tried this twice, from clean
install on, with the same results. I've also installed Scripting
Engine 5.6 and Repaired IE as per instructions from Windows Update
T-Shooter. Even installed Java runtimes and force reinstalled IE6 SP1.
No luck.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

My goof! Forgot to show all files after reinstalling ME! DOH!!!

But I don't think this will positively affect my problem with Windows
Updates. Still the same problem -- I can get to WU, but the scan stalls at
0%. I have to think it's something involving Scripting, or the controls, but
everything I've tried along those lines has failed. The only thing that
worked was to NOT go to WU before installing IE6 SP1.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
There is no such folder as:
C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\Uninstall Information
on this system after installing IE6 SP1.

No folder with the word "uninstall" anywhere.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"oops!!" wrote in message
...
Gary,

Is this the "Unable to install all components" issue?

If it is, try this:

Go to My Computer - Tools - Folder Options - View:
- Select "Show hidden files and folders", click Apply - OK

Create a folder named "Old uninstall".

Go to folder C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\Uninstall Information.

Now Edit - Select All - Cut all files.

Open "Old uninstall" folder and paste the files.

You will now be able to install all the troublesome components.

If everything works as expected, you can delete the "Old Uninstall"
folder and the files you moved.

Good luck,

Zee






"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
OK, it also happens if I only install IE6 SP1. Gonna make things
difficult...

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
I know about the "Welcome to Mac" page issue, but this is different.
When I can get to WU, it stalls at 0% when scanning for updates.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"oops!!" wrote in message
...
Quote:

What you are seeing when you visit the Windows Update site is a known
problem and started happening about two weeks ago. The problem is
server
side not with your PC and the Microsoft's Windows Update team
originally
denied any responsibility for the problem however the light has
started to
come on and they have now changed their stance to "we are
investigating".
I suggest you wait a few days and try again. Since Win Me like all
Win 9x
operating systems is out of support don't expect those concerned at
Microsoft to expend much effort or be in a rush to get this problem
fixed.
--
Mike Maltby


Unquote.

Zee



"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Can anyone explain to me why, on a fresh install of Windows ME, after
installing the Security Updates CD (Feb. 2004), Windows Updates no
longer functions? I get there OK, but when I click to scan for
updates, it stalls at 0%... Forever. I've tried this twice, from
clean install on, with the same results. I've also installed
Scripting Engine 5.6 and Repaired IE as per instructions from Windows
Update T-Shooter. Even installed Java runtimes and force reinstalled
IE6 SP1. No luck.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

Gary,

As I tried to explain the workaround I posted is for a failed install of
IE6SP1 on WinME with an error message "unable to install all components".

And only that, not WU in general.

Sorry to read you still face the same problems.

Zee





"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
My goof! Forgot to show all files after reinstalling ME! DOH!!!

But I don't think this will positively affect my problem with Windows
Updates. Still the same problem -- I can get to WU, but the scan stalls at
0%. I have to think it's something involving Scripting, or the controls,
but everything I've tried along those lines has failed. The only thing
that worked was to NOT go to WU before installing IE6 SP1.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
There is no such folder as:
C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\Uninstall Information
on this system after installing IE6 SP1.

No folder with the word "uninstall" anywhere.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"oops!!" wrote in message
...
Gary,

Is this the "Unable to install all components" issue?

If it is, try this:

Go to My Computer - Tools - Folder Options - View:
- Select "Show hidden files and folders", click Apply - OK

Create a folder named "Old uninstall".

Go to folder C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\Uninstall Information.

Now Edit - Select All - Cut all files.

Open "Old uninstall" folder and paste the files.

You will now be able to install all the troublesome components.

If everything works as expected, you can delete the "Old Uninstall"
folder and the files you moved.

Good luck,

Zee






"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
OK, it also happens if I only install IE6 SP1. Gonna make things
difficult...

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
I know about the "Welcome to Mac" page issue, but this is different.
When I can get to WU, it stalls at 0% when scanning for updates.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"oops!!" wrote in message
...
Quote:

What you are seeing when you visit the Windows Update site is a known
problem and started happening about two weeks ago. The problem is
server
side not with your PC and the Microsoft's Windows Update team
originally
denied any responsibility for the problem however the light has
started to
come on and they have now changed their stance to "we are
investigating".
I suggest you wait a few days and try again. Since Win Me like all
Win 9x
operating systems is out of support don't expect those concerned at
Microsoft to expend much effort or be in a rush to get this problem
fixed.
--
Mike Maltby


Unquote.

Zee



"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Can anyone explain to me why, on a fresh install of Windows ME,
after installing the Security Updates CD (Feb. 2004), Windows
Updates no longer functions? I get there OK, but when I click to
scan for updates, it stalls at 0%... Forever. I've tried this twice,
from clean install on, with the same results. I've also installed
Scripting Engine 5.6 and Repaired IE as per instructions from
Windows Update T-Shooter. Even installed Java runtimes and force
reinstalled IE6 SP1. No luck.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

Guess I hope I get a copy of your set until homeland security steps on MS
about unpatched systems.
Norman
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Yeah, but what do you do for all the POST-IE6 updates? There's a good
dozen
of them, I'm certain.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"PnP" wrote in message
...
Yes I've ran into that just recently myself and there is a work around
it
but
it take time. Format the drive reinstall DO NOT UPDATE TO IE6... UPDATE
ALL
OTHER UPDATES BEFORE YOU UPDATE IE 6. This will ensure you get all
updates
before the 0% STUCK. That's what I did if not just keep pressing F5
until
it
gives....

good luck

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

Again, I know about the "Welcome to Mac page" issue. I want to know if
anyone has determined that the "stuck at 0% scan" is also something
seen
by
others recently, something that might be attributable to the same
server
problem(s). Do you know, have you heard, that the 0% scan error is also
recently rife amongst ME users? It doesn't happen to my 98/98SE
installs.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"PnP" wrote in message
...
Gentleman the problems are with Microsoft. Yes something happened.
It's
fixed
if it happens again just wait a few days and try again.

Stop worring be thankful they don't just take it off the market
completely....

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

No, it can't be purchased. It never could be, it was free. There are
a
few
locations where you can download an ISO of it. Forget where, just
now.

OK, here's a post from "Lee", a few days ago, in the
Win98.Gen_Discussion
group:

-------------------------------------
Vic, our own Menno Hershberger posted an iso of the CD on his site
while it was still available for free. Go here and click continue
to
find and download windowsUpdate2004.iso file.
http://www.mewnlite.com/utilities/

The current direct link is below
http://www.alongthewapsie.com/util/_...Update2004.iso

Thanks, Menno."
-------------------------------------

I will soon offer a 2-CD package with the Security Updates CD and
the
rest
of what's necessary to update 98, 98SE and ME systems, for $3. My
cost,
really. Email me if you want on the list:
gryst at grystmill.com

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"helmsman" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:55:29 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune"
wrote:

That Mac page redirect is still occurring. Whether the problem is
related
to
mine (scan stuck at 0%), I don't know, but it only happens with
ME,
whereas
the Mac page thing happens on all 98, 98SE and ME. (I just keep
trying,
making sure to close all IE windows before next attempt.)

The Updates CD that MS put out in Feb 2004 is wholly
self-contained
and
does
not access the web directly. Only at the end are you offered some
follow-up
links.
Can that still be purchased and if so where?
TIA

Email me: gryst_at_grystmill.com

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Norman" wrote in message
...
Guess I hope I get a copy of your set until homeland security steps on MS
about unpatched systems.
Norman
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Yeah, but what do you do for all the POST-IE6 updates? There's a good
dozen
of them, I'm certain.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"PnP" wrote in message
...
Yes I've ran into that just recently myself and there is a work around
it
but
it take time. Format the drive reinstall DO NOT UPDATE TO IE6... UPDATE
ALL
OTHER UPDATES BEFORE YOU UPDATE IE 6. This will ensure you get all
updates
before the 0% STUCK. That's what I did if not just keep pressing F5
until
it
gives....

good luck

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

Again, I know about the "Welcome to Mac page" issue. I want to know if
anyone has determined that the "stuck at 0% scan" is also something
seen
by
others recently, something that might be attributable to the same
server
problem(s). Do you know, have you heard, that the 0% scan error is
also
recently rife amongst ME users? It doesn't happen to my 98/98SE
installs.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"PnP" wrote in message
...
Gentleman the problems are with Microsoft. Yes something happened.
It's
fixed
if it happens again just wait a few days and try again.

Stop worring be thankful they don't just take it off the market
completely....

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

No, it can't be purchased. It never could be, it was free. There
are
a
few
locations where you can download an ISO of it. Forget where, just
now.

OK, here's a post from "Lee", a few days ago, in the
Win98.Gen_Discussion
group:

-------------------------------------
Vic, our own Menno Hershberger posted an iso of the CD on his site
while it was still available for free. Go here and click continue
to
find and download windowsUpdate2004.iso file.
http://www.mewnlite.com/utilities/

The current direct link is below
http://www.alongthewapsie.com/util/_...Update2004.iso

Thanks, Menno."
-------------------------------------

I will soon offer a 2-CD package with the Security Updates CD and
the
rest
of what's necessary to update 98, 98SE and ME systems, for $3. My
cost,
really. Email me if you want on the list:
gryst at grystmill.com

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"helmsman" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:55:29 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune"
wrote:

That Mac page redirect is still occurring. Whether the problem is
related
to
mine (scan stuck at 0%), I don't know, but it only happens with
ME,
whereas
the Mac page thing happens on all 98, 98SE and ME. (I just keep
trying,
making sure to close all IE windows before next attempt.)

The Updates CD that MS put out in Feb 2004 is wholly
self-contained
and
does
not access the web directly. Only at the end are you offered some
follow-up
links.
Can that still be purchased and if so where?
TIA