Sought: IE 5.0 "high encryption" (128 bit) patch

Hello all,

I've got a Win98se machine here, running IE 5 with a 40-bit encryption and
I'm looking for a way to upgrade that to128-bit.

I've been googeling for it for an hour or so, but can't seem to find
anything that works (apart from se128-16.exe, which didn't want to install)

Anyone knows if its (stil) available and where to get it ?

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

Scratch that 128-bit update request: I was just able to test IE 6 with
128-bit encryption, and it refused to connect.

Any update with an even stronger encryption available ?

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 at 1:15:30 PM UTC-6, R.Wieser wrote:
Scratch that 128-bit update request: I was just able to test IE 6 with
128-bit encryption, and it refused to connect.

Any update with an even stronger encryption available ?

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

No, they stopped at 128, but there were issues where IE would not report the correct flavor of encryption strength which sounds more like the issue you are having to me. Don't recall the solution either and websites that used to offer those articles being taken down these days.

What you are actually looking for is a patch for IE 4.01 SP1 called ie4axpdom.exe. It can be applied to higher versions, but if ie5 still says something other than 128 bit in the about box you may need to run it with special switches which used to be documented by MS at their knowledge base but links to these too tend to not work so good these days. The file itself will be found inside any decent ie 4.01 SP1 archive if you can find one.

You may be asking too much to have 98 and ie on the web? Plenty do it but not so much with IE. I don't do it at all for example.

Hello Lee,

What you are actually looking for is a patch for IE 4.01
SP1 called ie4axpdom.exe.

I've googeled for it, and stumbled over "ie5axpdom.exe". I take it that
will work as well (have not applied it yet) ?

You may be asking too much to have 98 and ie on the web?

Not really, as that combination still seems to, apart from HTTPS, do
everything I ask from it, which is displaying HTML pages. It ofcourse
helps that I have, by choice, JS disabled and no other components (Flash,
Java etc) installed.

Plenty do it but not so much with IE.

One reason I still use it is because I often save webpages pages to disk
(MSDN and the like), and IE always adds the URL of the page to the saved
file.

But yes, I've also got-and-use (an very old version of) FF. ... which, I
just found out, also can't connect using HTTPS anymore. :-\

.... If you wonder why I never noticed before, I'm using a local filtering
proxy which uses OpenSSL. It seems to accept IE's and FFs low-grade
encryption at the local end, but uses a higher-grade encryption at 'the
interwebz' side.

The reason I'm noticing it *now* is because I was trying to use some WinInet
code using HTTPS. It just wouldn't want to work (it didn't use the
filtering proxy).

All-in-all, I might have to go and look for some IE and FF upgrading. Hmmm
....

Any suggestions to a specific version ? Preferrably low bloat and not nosy.
Third-party component compatibility (to Jave, Flash, etc) is not an issue,
as I do not really want to install them anyway.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


-- Origional message:
Lee schreef in berichtnieuws
...
On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 at 1:15:30 PM UTC-6, R.Wieser wrote:
Scratch that 128-bit update request: I was just able to test IE 6 with
128-bit encryption, and it refused to connect.

Any update with an even stronger encryption available ?

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

No, they stopped at 128, but there were issues where IE would not report the
correct flavor of encryption strength which sounds more like the issue you
are having to me. Don't recall the solution either and websites that used
to offer those articles being taken down these days.

What you are actually looking for is a patch for IE 4.01 SP1 called
ie4axpdom.exe. It can be applied to higher versions, but if ie5 still says
something other than 128 bit in the about box you may need to run it with
special switches which used to be documented by MS at their knowledge base
but links to these too tend to not work so good these days. The file itself
will be found inside any decent ie 4.01 SP1 archive if you can find one.

You may be asking too much to have 98 and ie on the web? Plenty do it but
not so much with IE. I don't do it at all for example.

Hi Rudy,

On Thursday, August 27, 2015 at 2:18:08 AM UTC-6, R.Wieser wrote:
Hello Lee,

What you are actually looking for is a patch for IE 4.01
SP1 called ie4axpdom.exe.

I've googeled for it, and stumbled over "ie5axpdom.exe". I take it that
will work as well (have not applied it yet) ?

I would still be leery since it's the wrong name, but there ARE ie 5 flavors at that. I was not aware of this part, I get mine from archived ie versions, the only one I find for IE 5 is from IE 5.01 SP2 and is called IE501DOM.EXE. Again any decent archive of that particular flavor of ie should have that file in there. I did re-find a website that addresses quite a few cypher strength issues.
http://inetexplorer.mvps.org/answers/17.html

Hopefully something there will work for you. Also found a MS knowledge base article with the working switches so that you can run it such that it will overwrite current files no matter their version, which rarely IS needed. These switches are universal on MS update executables, it's not just about this particular update.

/n:v Do not check version
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/831167
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/842607


You may be asking too much to have 98 and ie on the web?

Not really, as that combination still seems to, apart from HTTPS, do
everything I ask from it, which is displaying HTML pages. It ofcourse
helps that I have, by choice, JS disabled and no other components (Flash,
Java etc) installed.

Plenty do it but not so much with IE.

One reason I still use it is because I often save webpages pages to disk
(MSDN and the like), and IE always adds the URL of the page to the saved
file.

But yes, I've also got-and-use (an very old version of) FF. ... which, I
just found out, also can't connect using HTTPS anymore. :-\

... If you wonder why I never noticed before, I'm using a local filtering
proxy which uses OpenSSL. It seems to accept IE's and FFs low-grade
encryption at the local end, but uses a higher-grade encryption at 'the
interwebz' side.

The reason I'm noticing it *now* is because I was trying to use some WinInet
code using HTTPS. It just wouldn't want to work (it didn't use the
filtering proxy).

All-in-all, I might have to go and look for some IE and FF upgrading. Hmmm
...

Any suggestions to a specific version ? Preferrably low bloat and not nosy.
Third-party component compatibility (to Jave, Flash, etc) is not an issue,
as I do not really want to install them anyway.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser



Since I don't even try the internet with win98 I have zero advice on that issue. I find the working parts of FF with XP to be much more than I could have dreamed for using 98 - but the two are not the same. Where I own the file system in 98 and can do what ever I want with batch and script there, XP just sometimes tells me I have no permissions and otherwise refuses to play fair, I see a lot of these same issues being addressed in current windows with registry entries but they don't work for XP. Not ready for prime time is what XP still is.

While 98's mht file save is very nice, modern FF does this too with a twist.. The support files are stored in a like named folder but where you cut the html file to is where the folder goes as well automatically - they can not be separated and it seems to do a fair job of rendering from anywhere. I can fire off an mht file from decades ago and it looks as fine as it ever did in 98 ie, that is VERY nice. I go ahead and save the url in a metapad document which can be set to launch the default browser on double click and all links are blue to note they will launch if double clicked. Some of these otherwise plain jane text files are massive and almost ever link in them is long dead, but that's not my fault. Here is an example of how handy this method is:
http://sirocco.accuweather.com/sat_m...v/isawvcsw.gif

Cut and pasted from a metapad text file, I use this one to do my own long range forecasting, very little BS to read.

Lee wrote:
Hi Rudy,

On Thursday, August 27, 2015 at 2:18:08 AM UTC-6, R.Wieser wrote:
Hello Lee,

What you are actually looking for is a patch for IE 4.01
SP1 called ie4axpdom.exe.

I've googeled for it, and stumbled over "ie5axpdom.exe". I take it that
will work as well (have not applied it yet) ?

I would still be leery since it's the wrong name, but there ARE ie 5
flavors
at that. I was not aware of this part, I get mine from archived ie
versions,
the only one I find for IE 5 is from IE 5.01 SP2 and is called
IE501DOM.EXE.
Again any decent archive of that particular flavor of ie should have that
file in there. I did re-find a website that addresses quite a few cypher
strength issues.
http://inetexplorer.mvps.org/answers/17.html

Hopefully something there will work for you. Also found a MS knowledge
base article with the working switches so that you can run it such that it
will
overwrite current files no matter their version, which rarely IS needed.
These switches are universal on MS update executables, it's not just about
this particular update.

/n:v Do not check version
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/831167
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/842607


You may be asking too much to have 98 and ie on the web?

Not really, as that combination still seems to, apart from HTTPS, do
everything I ask from it, which is displaying HTML pages. It ofcourse
helps that I have, by choice, JS disabled and no other components (Flash,
Java etc) installed.

Plenty do it but not so much with IE.

One reason I still use it is because I often save webpages pages to disk
(MSDN and the like), and IE always adds the URL of the page to the
saved file.

But yes, I've also got-and-use (an very old version of) FF. ... which, I
just found out, also can't connect using HTTPS anymore. :-\

... If you wonder why I never noticed before, I'm using a local filtering
proxy which uses OpenSSL. It seems to accept IE's and FFs low-grade
encryption at the local end, but uses a higher-grade encryption at 'the
interwebz' side.

The reason I'm noticing it *now* is because I was trying to use some
WinInet
code using HTTPS. It just wouldn't want to work (it didn't use the
filtering proxy).

All-in-all, I might have to go and look for some IE and FF upgrading.
Hmmm
...

Any suggestions to a specific version ? Preferrably low bloat and not
nosy.
Third-party component compatibility (to Jave, Flash, etc) is not an
issue,
as I do not really want to install them anyway.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser



Since I don't even try the internet with win98 I have zero advice on that
issue. I find the working parts of FF with XP to be much more than I
could
have dreamed for using 98 - but the two are not the same. Where I own the
file system in 98 and can do what ever I want with batch and script there,
XP
just sometimes tells me I have no permissions and otherwise refuses to
play
fair, I see a lot of these same issues being addressed in current windows
with registry entries but they don't work for XP. Not ready for prime
time
is what XP still is.

Or a bit past prime time, since Windows 10 is all the rage nowadays (but not
for me - XP is fine over here. (Granted, there were some "losses" in the
migration from 98 to XP like the ones you mentioned, but not enough to hold
me back). And then there's the big browser problem - trying to get a
browser that works well on most web sites with 98.

While 98's mht file save is very nice, modern FF does this too with a
twist.
The support files are stored in a like named folder but where you cut the
html file to is where the folder goes as well automatically - they can not
be
separated and it seems to do a fair job of rendering from anywhere.

You can save a mht file in Firefox if you install the right add-on, such as
UnMHT. No need to have to save "web page complete" (with all the extra
files in another directory), as the mht file puts it all into one file,
which can then be opened by either IE or FF at a later time. However, at
this point in time, even IE8 is a bit problematic with some web sites, so
it's probably best to stick with FF (but to me, preferably not the latest
versions).

Hello Lee,

Thanks for the links. :-)

the only one I find for IE 5 is from IE 5.01 SP2 and is
called IE501DOM.EXE

I found that one too, but as my IE version is 5.00 I assume a that above
patch won't work for me. I did also find an IE5DOM.EXE though.

So, I have a choice between IE5AXPDOM and IE5DOM. Alas, as the page I found
those on did not offer any explanation to them I have no idea which one I
should install. Or maybe both of them can, or even need to be installed.
Any idea ?

While 98's mht file save is very nice, modern FF does this too
with a twist. ... where you cut the html file to is where the folder
goes as well automatically - they can not be separated

Yeah, I found that out on an XP machine where I decided that the files in
the supporting folder where not neccesary and I deleted the folder, and it
caused the HTML file (in which I just had painstakingly weeded out all the
cruft, like avatars and such) to disappear as well. :-\

Cut and pasted from a metapad text file

My apologies, but to me that looks like a run-of-the-mill image. Any
reason you're saving it as a metapad text file instead of as an image (what
are the pro's of doing it that way) ?

Thanks for your help & regards,
Rudy Wieser


-- Origional message:
Lee schreef in berichtnieuws
...
Hi Rudy,

On Thursday, August 27, 2015 at 2:18:08 AM UTC-6, R.Wieser wrote:
Hello Lee,

What you are actually looking for is a patch for IE 4.01
SP1 called ie4axpdom.exe.

I've googeled for it, and stumbled over "ie5axpdom.exe". I take it that
will work as well (have not applied it yet) ?

I would still be leery since it's the wrong name, but there ARE ie 5 flavors
at that. I was not aware of this part, I get mine from archived ie
versions, the only one I find for IE 5 is from IE 5.01 SP2 and is called
IE501DOM.EXE. Again any decent archive of that particular flavor of ie
should have that file in there. I did re-find a website that addresses
quite a few cypher strength issues.
http://inetexplorer.mvps.org/answers/17.html

Hopefully something there will work for you. Also found a MS knowledge base
article with the working switches so that you can run it such that it will
overwrite current files no matter their version, which rarely IS needed.
These switches are universal on MS update executables, it's not just about
this particular update.

/n:v Do not check version
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/831167
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/842607


You may be asking too much to have 98 and ie on the web?

Not really, as that combination still seems to, apart from HTTPS, do
everything I ask from it, which is displaying HTML pages. It ofcourse
helps that I have, by choice, JS disabled and no other components (Flash,
Java etc) installed.

Plenty do it but not so much with IE.

One reason I still use it is because I often save webpages pages to disk
(MSDN and the like), and IE always adds the URL of the page to the saved
file.

But yes, I've also got-and-use (an very old version of) FF. ... which, I
just found out, also can't connect using HTTPS anymore. :-\

... If you wonder why I never noticed before, I'm using a local filtering
proxy which uses OpenSSL. It seems to accept IE's and FFs low-grade
encryption at the local end, but uses a higher-grade encryption at 'the
interwebz' side.

The reason I'm noticing it *now* is because I was trying to use some
WinInet
code using HTTPS. It just wouldn't want to work (it didn't use the
filtering proxy).

All-in-all, I might have to go and look for some IE and FF upgrading.
Hmmm
...

Any suggestions to a specific version ? Preferrably low bloat and not
nosy.
Third-party component compatibility (to Jave, Flash, etc) is not an issue,
as I do not really want to install them anyway.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser



Since I don't even try the internet with win98 I have zero advice on that
issue. I find the working parts of FF with XP to be much more than I could
have dreamed for using 98 - but the two are not the same. Where I own the
file system in 98 and can do what ever I want with batch and script there,
XP just sometimes tells me I have no permissions and otherwise refuses to
play fair, I see a lot of these same issues being addressed in current
windows with registry entries but they don't work for XP. Not ready for
prime time is what XP still is.

While 98's mht file save is very nice, modern FF does this too with a twist.
The support files are stored in a like named folder but where you cut the
html file to is where the folder goes as well automatically - they can not
be separated and it seems to do a fair job of rendering from anywhere. I
can fire off an mht file from decades ago and it looks as fine as it ever
did in 98 ie, that is VERY nice. I go ahead and save the url in a metapad
document which can be set to launch the default browser on double click and
all links are blue to note they will launch if double clicked. Some of
these otherwise plain jane text files are massive and almost ever link in
them is long dead, but that's not my fault. Here is an example of how handy
this method is:
http://sirocco.accuweather.com/sat_m...v/isawvcsw.gif

Cut and pasted from a metapad text file, I use this one to do my own long
range forecasting, very little BS to read.

In message , R.Wieser
writes:
[this is him quoting someone else]
While 98's mht file save is very nice, modern FF does this too
with a twist. ... where you cut the html file to is where the folder
goes as well automatically - they can not be separated

Yeah, I found that out on an XP machine where I decided that the files in
the supporting folder where not neccesary and I deleted the folder, and it
caused the HTML file (in which I just had painstakingly weeded out all the
cruft, like avatars and such) to disappear as well. :-\

Ouch! Hope you were able to retrieve it from the ressicle bin.

Actually, they _can_ be separated: there's a setting somewhere in XP
that is called something like "treat associated files folder and parent
file as one" (the wording may be very different from that, but that's
the gist) that can be turned off, but defaults to on. I can't remember
where it is - Folder View maybe? On the whole, I find it useful (e. g.
when _moving_ the pair), so I leave it on - but I hadn't realised
deleting the "files" folder deleted the parent, thanks for the
tip/warning!
[long tail snipped]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

One of my tricks as an armchair futurist is to "predict" things that are
already happening and watch people tell me it will never happen.
Scott Adams, 2015-3-9

Hello John,

Ouch! Hope you were able to retrieve it from the ressicle bin.

Nope, alas. I normally delete stuff fully (while keeping SHIFT depressed).
No sense in throwing something into the recycle-bin (in this case the folder
and its files) when you're sure you do not need it anymore. I just did not
know that this kind of file-folder linking even existed on XP (note to self:
find out how that works). And for the record, its only with FF that I've
ever experienced it.

On the whole, I find it useful (e. g. when _moving_ the pair)

I don't. There is no way to know *beforehand* which files and folders are
linked. Although you can (hopefully) easily recover from a bad move or copy
(*if* you do notice that you got more than you bargained for that is ...),
when deleting as I normally do its fully gone. With no warning of it
whatsoever. Its one of the kinds of MS "magic" I can do well without.

but I hadn't realised deleting the "files" folder deleted the
parent, thanks for the tip/warning!

You're welcome. :-)

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


-- Origional message:
J. P. Gilliver (John) schreef in berichtnieuws
...
In message , R.Wieser
writes:
[this is him quoting someone else]
While 98's mht file save is very nice, modern FF does this too
with a twist. ... where you cut the html file to is where the folder
goes as well automatically - they can not be separated

Yeah, I found that out on an XP machine where I decided that the files in
the supporting folder where not neccesary and I deleted the folder, and
it
caused the HTML file (in which I just had painstakingly weeded out all
the
cruft, like avatars and such) to disappear as well. :-\

Ouch! Hope you were able to retrieve it from the ressicle bin.

Actually, they _can_ be separated: there's a setting somewhere in XP
that is called something like "treat associated files folder and parent
file as one" (the wording may be very different from that, but that's
the gist) that can be turned off, but defaults to on. I can't remember
where it is - Folder View maybe? On the whole, I find it useful (e. g.
when _moving_ the pair), so I leave it on - but I hadn't realised
deleting the "files" folder deleted the parent, thanks for the
tip/warning!
[long tail snipped]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

One of my tricks as an armchair futurist is to "predict" things that are
already happening and watch people tell me it will never happen.
Scott Adams, 2015-3-9

Hi Rudy,
On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 2:45:02 AM UTC-6, R.Wieser wrote:
Hello Lee,

Thanks for the links. :-)

the only one I find for IE 5 is from IE 5.01 SP2 and is
called IE501DOM.EXE

I found that one too, but as my IE version is 5.00 I assume a that above
patch won't work for me. I did also find an IE5DOM.EXE though.

So, I have a choice between IE5AXPDOM and IE5DOM. Alas, as the page I found
those on did not offer any explanation to them I have no idea which one I
should install. Or maybe both of them can, or even need to be installed.
Any idea ?


Above you assume wrong versions though, the only way to know for sure which you need is to consult the instructions (ie.cif) for ie installation contained within the ie5setup.exe file. Similarly named mutants may have less than perfect pedigrees which is the main point I seem to be failing to get across here. You can use which ever you want to, but I would only settle for genuine MS updates verified with a security tab check on their right click properties to double check that the package was digitally signed by MS. This is the part that just can't be faked. Otherwise you might be installing a virus. I just HATE it when that happens, although I have to admit it never has, not even once. The name really isn't so important, it's the source of who put that package together - verify that digitally signed signature and I have no issues other than version conflicts leading to dll/hell issues. They can be renamed to whatever as well, but ie will check exact size and exact name when installing the proper package. This failsafe is missing when you launch it yourself. Danger Will Robinson, danger.


Maybe you didn't know this part - using WinZip, you can see inside these IE5DOM.EXE type of files and even extract their contents to find their digital signatures/version info before you launch the installer package itself. In my archives, Ie 5.00 came in two flavors 5.00.2014.0216 and 5.00.2314.1000. The former calls for IE4AXPDOM.EXE while the latter requires IE4DOM.EXE. This information can be found in ie.cif file contained within ie5setup.exe that will will have the version information found by right clicking it. After installation there will be a filelist.dat file in the installation folder that also names exactly what was installed.

Current issue is that I have zero information of ANY ie version that called for ie5DOM.EXE file - I then have to treat it as a virus. Very likely it's entirely valid and not a virus, it's just been renamed, but from what? End of the day, it probably doesn't matter a great deal if you over versioned these files anyway by installing ie501dom.exe which was used thru 5.50 SP1. Higher versions of ie simply do not call for these files - exactly why I haven't looked into yet as it would require a 'clean' installation of windows itself followed by ie installation and then a search for the same files and their source found. Or not found at all as the case may be, and THIS may be your issue to begin with?

Here is a treat just to show you I do know what I'm talking about. Direct from MS - ie501dom.exe

http://www.download.windowsupdate.co...n/IE501DOM.EXE

It's not in the ie55sp2 folder though, but then it's also not called for there. I didn't realize this part until today. And the exact why of it never even attempted before either. Houston, we MAY have a problem?



While 98's mht file save is very nice, modern FF does this too
with a twist. ... where you cut the html file to is where the folder
goes as well automatically - they can not be separated

Yeah, I found that out on an XP machine where I decided that the files in
the supporting folder where not neccesary and I deleted the folder, and it
caused the HTML file (in which I just had painstakingly weeded out all the
cruft, like avatars and such) to disappear as well. :-\

Cut and pasted from a metapad text file

My apologies, but to me that looks like a run-of-the-mill image. Any
reason you're saving it as a metapad text file instead of as an image (what
are the pro's of doing it that way) ?

Thanks for your help & regards,
Rudy Wieser

Ahhh, grasshopper - look again. Today's image is different from yesterday's image as it's always the last few hours on a constantly rotating basis with a new frame added every 15 minutes. It's also an animated gif and that link has been valid for a decade at least. The advantage to doing it this way rather than just use their website as most are apt to do, is that I don't get a pop up showing carrot top trying to sell me life insurance nor do I have to wait for umpteen other gifs and flash to load, all attempting to divert my attention from the impending tornado storm perched above my location. I need to see where it came from so I can guess as to where it might be going and just exactly when that might happen. But mostly I need that information right NOW without any extra trash that really used to be an issue when I was on dialup at 19.2 speeds.

Watching Gilbert Gottfried trying to sell me Seinfeld's long handled shoe horn is funny on the other hand and I truly loved it, but I still don't want to see it when it's the imminent weather that is my goal. Saved as a standard text file means I don't need a (nonexistent) web page with a link on it to that animated gif in order to get to it. I could just copy and paste the link into any browser window too, but double clicking is way faster and without typos, I get there really quick like.

Thanks Bill for UnMHT addon info for FF, will be considering it as quite a few FF addons are extremely good at what they do. Youtube enhancerplus being one plugin that is outstanding for blocking all ads at that site and allowing me to save them for watching with VLC media player anytime I want. I probably could watch them in 98 too, but downloading them with 98 is probably not very easy.

MHT file save was broken in ie for the longest time, finally by version 5.50 SP2 they had it working pretty good.