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  #23  
Old March 19th 12, 11:55 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Bill in Co
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Default Tablet machines and W9X?

Lostgallifreyan wrote:
MotoFox confucius-
wrote
in
:

Didn't stop me from pulling out the video board (had an old 16-bit
Hercules ISA video board kicking around that worked well enough),
sticking
98 on that box and using the SCSI to host a dial-up BBS for almost 10
years, tho...



Before I had a computer, I think. I never got to see a BBS. Although I
guess I'm using its direct decendent right now.. I'm not sure how Usenet
relates to BBS, exactly though, if at all. Maybe just a similar use,
rather
than method?


As I recall, some of the BBS services were used to get updated program
files, or for some add-ons for the program, and were often hosted by the
manufacturers. But in addition to these, there were some that were
analogous to newsgroups for customers to participate in, with posts relating
to hardware and software issues. And I seem to recall using Procomm for
this.

These were (as I recall) pretty much DOS-based services, with basic text
screens (character displays only, limited to the basic ASCII set, like in
DOS), although I think some later programs allowed you to run it in a DOS
window, like Procomm Plus. But my memory may be off.

One might say, in a sense, that BBS was a forerunner to Usenet.
You don't know what you were missing. :-) I guess it seems primitive by
today's standards.


  #24  
Old March 20th 12, 12:42 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Lostgallifreyan
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Default Tablet machines and W9X?

"Bill in Co" wrote in
m:

One might say, in a sense, that BBS was a forerunner to Usenet.
You don't know what you were missing. :-) I guess it seems primitive
by today's standards.


I think I heard of a BBS from a guy who ran computer music gear. The Atari ST
had just got some program called Cubase, and I remember the amazing whiteness
and sharpness of the screen image, (no colours) and the guy (Steve Risley I
think his name was) mentioning a BBS in conjunction with electronic music. I
hadn't even got a phone at the time. But I was programming sounds on FM
synthesizers, and was trying to figure out who if anyone might be interested
in them, and what other things people were getting up to. Everything
techincal from that time seems primitive now. But I don't knock it. A
computer called DSKY that wouldn't hold a candle to a pocket calculator not
only got men to the moon, it got the Apollo 17 crew back again.
  #25  
Old March 20th 12, 01:07 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Sjouke Burry[_3_]
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Lostgallifreyan wrote in
:

"Bill in Co" wrote in
m:

One might say, in a sense, that BBS was a forerunner to Usenet.
You don't know what you were missing. :-) I guess it seems
primitive by today's standards.


I think I heard of a BBS from a guy who ran computer music gear. The
Atari ST had just got some program called Cubase, and I remember the
amazing whiteness and sharpness of the screen image, (no colours) and
the guy (Steve Risley I think his name was) mentioning a BBS in
conjunction with electronic music. I hadn't even got a phone at the
time. But I was programming sounds on FM synthesizers, and was trying
to figure out who if anyone might be interested in them, and what
other things people were getting up to. Everything techincal from that
time seems primitive now. But I don't knock it. A computer called DSKY
that wouldn't hold a candle to a pocket calculator not only got men to
the moon, it got the Apollo 17 crew back again.


Google bulletin board archives, 221000000 hits!!!!!!!!
  #26  
Old March 20th 12, 09:22 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Lostgallifreyan
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Default Tablet machines and W9X?

Sjouke Burry s@b wrote in
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Lostgallifreyan wrote in
:

"Bill in Co" wrote in
m:

One might say, in a sense, that BBS was a forerunner to Usenet.
You don't know what you were missing. :-) I guess it seems
primitive by today's standards.


I think I heard of a BBS from a guy who ran computer music gear. The
Atari ST had just got some program called Cubase, and I remember the
amazing whiteness and sharpness of the screen image, (no colours) and
the guy (Steve Risley I think his name was) mentioning a BBS in
conjunction with electronic music. I hadn't even got a phone at the
time. But I was programming sounds on FM synthesizers, and was trying
to figure out who if anyone might be interested in them, and what
other things people were getting up to. Everything techincal from that
time seems primitive now. But I don't knock it. A computer called DSKY
that wouldn't hold a candle to a pocket calculator not only got men to
the moon, it got the Apollo 17 crew back again.


Google bulletin board archives, 221000000 hits!!!!!!!!


I deliberately didn't do that. Just now I did, and I saw nothing that gave me
any sense of how it differed from Usenet or a mailing list. Most of Google's
returns (as ever) were irrelevant drivel and worse. Google is NO substitute
for talking to a person who says they ran a bulletin board.

I could wade through Google for hours trying to find out more but I really
don't want to do that. Put it this way: If you could talk to an actor, or
Google all the 'celeb' pages, which would you choose?!
  #27  
Old March 20th 12, 09:43 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
J. P. Gilliver (John)
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In message , Bill in Co
writes:
[]
As I recall, some of the BBS services were used to get updated program
files, or for some add-ons for the program, and were often hosted by the
manufacturers. But in addition to these, there were some that were
analogous to newsgroups for customers to participate in, with posts relating
to hardware and software issues. And I seem to recall using Procomm for
this.

These were (as I recall) pretty much DOS-based services, with basic text
screens (character displays only, limited to the basic ASCII set, like in
DOS), although I think some later programs allowed you to run it in a DOS
window, like Procomm Plus. But my memory may be off.

[]
Well, some of them would work whatever was at your end, but some of them
actually ran the software you used to access them at their end,
including drawing your screen - in character mode: quite a lot of use
was made of a standard that had codes for character movement, and I
think colours - I think it was called ANSI. I remember now that I had
the equivalent software - what we'd now call a driver or DLL, I think -
locally, such that my DOS prompt was in colour, so that (say)

C:\this\that\theother\

had different colours for (IIRR) the C, the :, the \s, the , and the
rest (and from what I typed after them).
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I believe the cake has got to be sliced up to help those who are needy and
you've got to keep someone there who's going to make the cake. Here we always
destroy the people who make the cake. - Michael Caine (MM), RT, 7-13 Nov 2009.
  #28  
Old March 20th 12, 09:55 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Bill in Co
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Default Tablet machines and W9X?

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Bill in Co
writes:
[]
As I recall, some of the BBS services were used to get updated program
files, or for some add-ons for the program, and were often hosted by the
manufacturers. But in addition to these, there were some that were
analogous to newsgroups for customers to participate in, with posts
relating
to hardware and software issues. And I seem to recall using Procomm for
this.

These were (as I recall) pretty much DOS-based services, with basic text
screens (character displays only, limited to the basic ASCII set, like in
DOS), although I think some later programs allowed you to run it in a DOS
window, like Procomm Plus. But my memory may be off.

[]
Well, some of them would work whatever was at your end, but some of them
actually ran the software you used to access them at their end,
including drawing your screen - in character mode: quite a lot of use
was made of a standard that had codes for character movement, and I
think colours - I think it was called ANSI.


Yup, that's it. Which gave extended attributes to the basic ASCII
characters on a text screen, like different colors, blinking characters,
etc.

I remember now that I had
the equivalent software - what we'd now call a driver or DLL, I think -
locally, such that my DOS prompt was in colour, so that (say)

C:\this\that\theother\

had different colours for (IIRR) the C, the :, the \s, the , and the
rest (and from what I typed after them).
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I believe the cake has got to be sliced up to help those who are needy and
you've got to keep someone there who's going to make the cake. Here we
always
destroy the people who make the cake. - Michael Caine (MM), RT, 7-13 Nov
2009.



  #29  
Old March 20th 12, 10:00 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Bill in Co
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Default Tablet machines and W9X?

MotoFox wrote:
And it came to pass that Bill in Co delivered the following message unto
the people, saying~

As I recall, some of the BBS services were used to get updated program
files, or for some add-ons for the program, and were often hosted by the
manufacturers.


Some of them were, particularly if they were operated by computer game
companies or others. I recall Micro$oft even having such a service in the
mid 80s-mid 90s, parallelling their FTP system, in addition to providing
help forums like this Usenet hierarchy probably was back in its heyday.

These were (as I recall) pretty much DOS-based services, with basic text
screens (character displays only, limited to the basic ASCII set, like in
DOS), although I think some later programs allowed you to run it in a DOS
window, like Procomm Plus. But my memory may be off.


Some were DOS, yes, but they weren't strictly limited to it. Some ran off
Linux or BSD (mono.org is one that does.) Our BBS, "Ring of Thundera" ran
off Wildcat (surprise surprise) which was a very popular DOS BBS server in
the 90s-early 2000s.


And remember the different protocols available, and needing to know which
one was best to use for different cases? Like XMODEM, YMODEM,or ZMODEM, or
whatever?

One might say, in a sense, that BBS was a forerunner to Usenet. You
don't know what you were missing. :-) I guess it seems primitive by
today's standards.


Not strictly the forerunner to the Usenet, since Usenet and BBSes pretty
much co-existed for much of their existence.


Ooops. I must have forgotten that too.

I'd say they were more of a
fore-runner to the World Wide Web, although many had services similar to
what you'd find on Usenet ("talkers", we used to call those.)

Most were accessed via a direct dial-up line (i.e. a regular f0ne number
you'd call with your modem), so they definitely had a sense of localism,


Yup. (now it's starting to come back a little bit better to me :-)

since most, if not all, I've known about of were never made available via
WATS or 0800 numbers. In later years many BBSes added TCP-IP connectivity,
effectively making them available to anybody in the world with a telnet
client.

--
MotoFox
Originator of the word "enubulous"
...!i84w!exit210!304senye!motofox



 




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