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Old March 9th 12, 02:52 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
98 Guy
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First, Alan, I'm curious as to why you chose to post your question to
this group:

microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update

I ask because that newsgroup has had no traffic for many months, if not
years.

I notice that you are posting via giganews. Does giganews not carry the
much more active (and probably the defacto win-98 newsgroup) -

microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion

???

I am cross-posting your message to that group, where it will be seen
(for better or worse) by what appears to be the last remaining rag-tag
collection of people that still pay some attention or interest to
Windows 98.

Alan Justice wrote:

I have Win98, IE 6.0, 256 MB RAM, and 500 MHz Dell. All I use
it for is internet access but many sites don't support my system.


Alan, I could post pages of technical and perhaps not-so-easy-to-follow
instructions informing you how to "beef up" your installation of windows
98 to make it more compatible with several different aspects of web
technology. I could start down that path, but more than likely you will
not follow it (for one reason or another).

In fact, I really don't expect to ever see you reply back here in this
thread that you've started (most one-time posters don't come back). I'm
not trying to scare you off - I hope you do come back. The odds are
that you will read this, but you won't follow through and show that
you're really interested.

So I'll just say that there is a lot you can do with a win-98 system to
make it compatible with the web, and you won't see any such nag screens
telling you that your system is not compatible.

You just have to come back here and say that you're really interested
and committed to trying.

I can't even access the Win update site!


Microsoft made some changes about 6 months ago that made the
windows-update server incompatible with windows 98. But if you visited
that site at any time from mid-2006 up until mid 2011 then your system
will have everything it needs. Microsoft has not added anything new for
win-98 systems on that site since July 2006.

Is there any hope with this system, or do I need a new
computer?


It's up to you. Technically, windows 98 and your system is capable of
being enhanced to achieve what you are looking for.
  #2  
Old March 9th 12, 02:57 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Bill in Co
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98 Guy wrote:
First, Alan, I'm curious as to why you chose to post your question to
this group:

microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update

I ask because that newsgroup has had no traffic for many months, if not
years.

I notice that you are posting via giganews. Does giganews not carry the
much more active (and probably the defacto win-98 newsgroup) -

microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion

???

I am cross-posting your message to that group, where it will be seen
(for better or worse) by what appears to be the last remaining rag-tag
collection of people that still pay some attention or interest to
Windows 98.

Alan Justice wrote:

I have Win98, IE 6.0, 256 MB RAM, and 500 MHz Dell. All I use
it for is internet access but many sites don't support my system.


Alan, I could post pages of technical and perhaps not-so-easy-to-follow
instructions informing you how to "beef up" your installation of windows
98 to make it more compatible with several different aspects of web
technology. I could start down that path, but more than likely you will
not follow it (for one reason or another).

In fact, I really don't expect to ever see you reply back here in this
thread that you've started (most one-time posters don't come back). I'm
not trying to scare you off - I hope you do come back. The odds are
that you will read this, but you won't follow through and show that
you're really interested.

So I'll just say that there is a lot you can do with a win-98 system to
make it compatible with the web, and you won't see any such nag screens
telling you that your system is not compatible.

You just have to come back here and say that you're really interested
and committed to trying.

I can't even access the Win update site!


Microsoft made some changes about 6 months ago that made the
windows-update server incompatible with windows 98. But if you visited
that site at any time from mid-2006 up until mid 2011 then your system
will have everything it needs. Microsoft has not added anything new for
win-98 systems on that site since July 2006.

Is there any hope with this system, or do I need a new
computer?


It's up to you. Technically, windows 98 and your system is capable of
being enhanced to achieve what you are looking for.


If I were in his shoes, I'd recommend he get an additional 256MB of RAM, and
install Firefox or Pale Moon to handle the websites (but maybe not the
latest versions, though). And preferably Win98SE, if he can still find it.


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Old March 9th 12, 03:01 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Lostgallifreyan
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"Bill in Co" wrote in
m:

And preferably Win98SE, if he can still find it.


eBay. I've seen a few occasionally. Beats the hell out of paying for a new
OS, maybe...
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Old March 9th 12, 03:13 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Lostgallifreyan
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98 Guy wrote in :

Alan Justice wrote:

I have Win98, IE 6.0, 256 MB RAM, and 500 MHz Dell. All I use
it for is internet access but many sites don't support my system.



If ONLY for internet access, it might be better to go for a new tablet
machine with all the fixtures and fittings pre-installed. That's a very
different need than for a workstation machine where it pays to do our own
research and customisations.

I strongly advise against keeping personal records on some new machine
though, especially financial or secure login and account details. Never trust
some off-the-shelf new machine to be secure, they are prime targets for
attack. Treat them like a bus station doorway, and watch your step the same
way you do around busses and strangers hustling about.

(I think many more people may come to separate the net from their work and
home machines, the same way they shut the world out when they want to do
private stuff in a secure house. It's not fashionable to think this way with
do-it-all telephonic wingdings with more ringtones than a jukebox, and people
touting 'cloud computing', but not everyone will rush in like fools where
angels fear to tread. And watching lemmings is always more fun from a safe
distance away from the edge).
  #5  
Old March 9th 12, 08:07 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Alan Justice
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"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
First, Alan, I'm curious as to why you chose to post your question to
this group:

microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update

I ask because that newsgroup has had no traffic for many months, if not
years.

I notice that you are posting via giganews. Does giganews not carry the
much more active (and probably the defacto win-98 newsgroup) -

microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion

???

I am cross-posting your message to that group, where it will be seen
(for better or worse) by what appears to be the last remaining rag-tag
collection of people that still pay some attention or interest to
Windows 98.

Alan Justice wrote:

I have Win98, IE 6.0, 256 MB RAM, and 500 MHz Dell. All I use
it for is internet access but many sites don't support my system.


Alan, I could post pages of technical and perhaps not-so-easy-to-follow
instructions informing you how to "beef up" your installation of windows
98 to make it more compatible with several different aspects of web
technology. I could start down that path, but more than likely you will
not follow it (for one reason or another).

In fact, I really don't expect to ever see you reply back here in this
thread that you've started (most one-time posters don't come back). I'm
not trying to scare you off - I hope you do come back. The odds are
that you will read this, but you won't follow through and show that
you're really interested.

So I'll just say that there is a lot you can do with a win-98 system to
make it compatible with the web, and you won't see any such nag screens
telling you that your system is not compatible.

You just have to come back here and say that you're really interested
and committed to trying.

I can't even access the Win update site!


Microsoft made some changes about 6 months ago that made the
windows-update server incompatible with windows 98. But if you visited
that site at any time from mid-2006 up until mid 2011 then your system
will have everything it needs. Microsoft has not added anything new for
win-98 systems on that site since July 2006.

Is there any hope with this system, or do I need a new
computer?


It's up to you. Technically, windows 98 and your system is capable of
being enhanced to achieve what you are looking for.


The last post to this group was 2 years, so I am amazed that I got a
response right away. You must have some way of automatically checking
groups for activity. I tried to access some other windows update groups but
they would not load. The last time I checked the Windows Update site it
gave no recommendations for me.

It's not that I'm married to Win98. What's the latest OS I can update to on
this machine? And how much will it help?

I only have dial-up. DSL has just been introduced to my area, but I can't
get it through Earthlink, only the phone company (Frontier, which bought
Verizon). I need to keep Earthlink because of my business web site.

I do have a more recent computer (XP, 2.8 GHz, 2 GB SD RAM) that I use for
image processing, but since I finally got a digital camera, I may want to
update that and replace my internet computer with it.

--
Alan Justice
http://home.earthlink.net/~wildlifepaparazzi/


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Old March 9th 12, 08:09 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Alan Justice
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"Lostgallifreyan" wrote in message
.. .
98 Guy wrote in :

Alan Justice wrote:

I have Win98, IE 6.0, 256 MB RAM, and 500 MHz Dell. All I use
it for is internet access but many sites don't support my system.



If ONLY for internet access, it might be better to go for a new tablet
machine with all the fixtures and fittings pre-installed. That's a very
different need than for a workstation machine where it pays to do our own
research and customisations.

I strongly advise against keeping personal records on some new machine
though, especially financial or secure login and account details. Never

trust
some off-the-shelf new machine to be secure, they are prime targets for
attack. Treat them like a bus station doorway, and watch your step the

same
way you do around busses and strangers hustling about.

(I think many more people may come to separate the net from their work and
home machines, the same way they shut the world out when they want to do
private stuff in a secure house. It's not fashionable to think this way

with
do-it-all telephonic wingdings with more ringtones than a jukebox, and

people
touting 'cloud computing', but not everyone will rush in like fools where
angels fear to tread. And watching lemmings is always more fun from a safe
distance away from the edge).


I think that with dial-up, I'm not much of a target, right?
--
Alan Justice
http://home.earthlink.net/~wildlifepaparazzi/


  #9  
Old March 9th 12, 01:53 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
98 Guy
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Alan Justice wrote:

I think that with dial-up, I'm not much of a target, right?


It's not so much that you're not a target because of your dial-up
connection.

Your win-98 system is not a target for malware, viruses, trojans or
worms because windows 98 is/was much less vulnerable to web-based
exploitation than NT-based versions (windows 2k, XP, etc).

There were many holes and vulnerabilities for the combination of
IE6/Windows-XP/Java/Adobe-PDF during the years 2002 through 2006 that
resulted in those systems being constantly comprimized and infected with
malware. Windows 98 (because of it's relative "simplicity") was not
impacted or simply not vulnerable to the vast majority of those exploits
during those years (a fact that Microsoft and the technical press and
media either did not recognize or did not want to mention).

Alan - based on what you wrote it sounds like you probably won't make
the effort to enhance your win-98 system given that you have other
options and priorities.

And because of the software you'll need to download to enhance and
update your win-98 system, you probably won't do it because it's only
practical to do it through a broad-band (not dial-up) connection.

I think your first priority is not what to do with your win-98 system.
You should first look into replacing your dialup connection with a
highspeed, broad-band connection.
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Old March 9th 12, 05:46 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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On Fri, 09 Mar 2012 05:28:00 -0600, Lostgallifreyan
wrote:

"Alan Justice" wrote in news:tr-
:

I do have a more recent computer (XP, 2.8 GHz, 2 GB SD RAM) that I use for
image processing, but since I finally got a digital camera, I may want to
update that and replace my internet computer with it.


That machine is your best bet. A 500 MHz machine will look weak if you try to
run WXP on it, unless you know more than most people do about streamlining
it. Stay with W98 SE on that, you'll just about make it cope with XviD
playback if you're lucky, it won't do much more. If you want more from that
camera than shuttling CF cards between it and a reader/adapter, you'll need
some modern USB support and other drivers that USB will do ok as supplied.

Dump that I.E v6 if at all possible. Even Microsoft kind of wish that hadn't
happened...


I agree about dumping IE. Get Firefox and/or K-Meleon.

Your 500mhz machine will run Windows 2000.

I suggest making a dual booting system withg 98 and 2000. Thats what I
have. I mostly just use 2000 for easy access to USB stuff. Win98 is
still the best OS, but it's lousy with USB support.


 




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