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  #21  
Old March 4th 12, 06:40 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
98 Guy
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:

Also, I earlier recommended Thunderbird - I'd forgotten what
'group I'm in, and am not sure if I'd recommend it for '98.
(Not that I know there's anything wrong with any version of
TB that runs under '98, just I genuinely don't know.)


I'm sure there are older versions of thunderbird and seamonkey that run
on win-98.

I bring up seamonkey because it's closely related to firefox and
thunderbird.

This page helps explain this:

http://ilias.ca/SeamonkeyvsFirefox

I really have no idea how to benchmark the usenet capability of
thunderbird and seamonkey vs what I use (Netscape Communicator) but
anyone looking for a fresh start and is even considering thunderbird
should probably also look at seamonkey.

Although Seamonkey seems to be BOTH a browser and mail/usenet client -
something that doesn't appeal to me.

If I had no previous experience with a dedicated usenet reader, and as a
win-98 user if I had to choose a usenet reader, it's not an easy choice
nor is it easy to even know what my options are.

Most lists of usenet clients are geared toward the software's ability to
sort and download binary usenet content (music, movies, etc) - something
that a person wanting to access only text newsgroups would have no
interest for.

Even when the lists show text readers, they rarely show what I use
(netscape communicator).

Something I've been meaning to do was try out the last version of
Netscape Communicator (4.8) which was released in 2002.

Here's a link to the archive's copy of an old netscape page:

http://web.archive.org/web/200603220...archive47x.jsp

And here's a link to Netscape Communicator 4.80 English
Download: Windows 95, 98, or NT - Complete Install (128-bit encryption)

http://web.archive.org/web/200401170...ll/cc32d48.exe
  #22  
Old March 4th 12, 07:42 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
98 Guy
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Just to continue this exploration of using Netscape as a usenet client
for win-98 systems...

The Netscape software suite which started in roughly 1994 continued
until the last version of the Netscape browser (version 9) in 2008.

But the E-mail/News client ended with Netscape 7. I have no idea if the
e-mail/news client is a separate program, but it's probably worth
exploring.

The Netscape 7 suite can be downloaded from he

http://aol-4.vo.llnwd.net/pub/netsca...Setup-Full.exe

There's a brief writeup about Netscape 7 he

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netscape_7

This is what a typical Netscape 7.1 e-mail/news screen looks like:

http://www.file-extensions.org/imgs/...scape-mail.gif

For comparison, this is some version of Forte Agent:

http://services.exeter.ac.uk/cmit/mo...screenshot.gif

Note that some old versions of Agent are free, and newer versions are
not.

This is Outlook Express:

http://www.melbpc.org.au/pcupdate/23...rticle7-11.jpg

This looks like a very old version of OE or IE:

http://www.windowsitpro.com/content/.../Screen_01.GIF

This is Outlook:

http://mapilab-ltd.ab-archive.net/gr...look-10704.gif

This is Eurdora:

http://mozillaquest.com/Mozilla_News...03_475x306.png

Not sure what this is (YeahReader?) or what it's connected to:

http://www.all-freeware.com/images/f...up_clients.gif

Something similar he

http://www.fileguru.com/images/b/wiz...ews-68484.jpeg

Not sure what an "RSS News Reader" is tapping into...
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Old March 4th 12, 07:49 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Lostgallifreyan
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in
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Agreed, if they're all going into the same folder/window/whatever. It
does need to fetch, though, on some sort of schedule ...


Xnews solves that by getting the headers. It only takes a moment on this
group, and only a moment to fetch the whole post when I select it.

On big groups I visit for the first time, getting headers is a pain, never
mind the posts too, but I can select a numeric range fron N to 1, where N can
be a huge number, up to the total available, and 1 is the latest post. I'd
prefer to select by post number or date as a range just to get the headers,
but I guess Usenet never developed a way to do that because no-one expected
to deal with the bulk of posts now available on the big groups. I think this
is why the big web-based binaries services like Giganews and Easynews
developed, to solve that on the server side, and provide other keys to narrow
searches with.

Saving posts in Xnews has the option of headers only, or full posts. I use
headers only to save time and space (these things warp entirely too easily,
don't you know? If I want to save a thread for reference I do, but often
they are archived all over the web, for years. I only save incoming posts if
I'm concerned with losing one if they didn't.
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Old March 4th 12, 08:10 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
98 Guy
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Lostgallifreyan wrote:

Xnews solves that by getting the headers.


Most news readers do that.

It only takes a moment on this group, and only a moment to fetch
the whole post when I select it.


And that as well.

On big groups I visit for the first time, getting headers is a
pain, never mind the posts too, but I can select a numeric range
fron N to 1, where N can be a huge number, up to the total
available, and 1 is the latest post.


And that as well. At least my 10-year-old Netscape can.

I set my default at 250. If I wander into a newsgroup that has more
than that many unread (un-harvested) headers, I get a pop-up asking if I
want to stick with my default, or change it, or grab all available
headers. Any that I don't grab I can mark as "read" so they're not
offered again.

I'd prefer to select by post number or date as a range just to get
the headers,


It's hard to know ahead of time if 100 headers will get you 1 day's
worth or 1 year's worth of posts in a group that you're just opening for
the first time (or the first time in a long time).

but I guess Usenet never developed a way to do that because no-one
expected to deal with the bulk of posts now available on the big
groups.


I don't think that's the reason. Posts aren't stored on servers in
terms of their posting date. It's more like the order they arrived at
the server.

I think this is why the big web-based binaries services like Giganews
and Easynews developed, to solve that on the server side, and provide
other keys to narrow searches with.


No - they developed and became commercial (for fee) usenet providers so
that people could post and download copyrighted works (movies, music,
etc). Specialized news-client software also developed alongside those
servers to make it efficient and easy to identify, download and assemble
all the binary multi-part components of those binary posts.
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Old March 4th 12, 09:54 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Lostgallifreyan
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Lostgallifreyan wrote in
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I accept that the big Usenet providers took advantage of a way to make
money, but that's putting cart before horse. That was just opportunism,
a business model, but the techical foundation for it arose out of need.
If they'd set out solely to profit from bulk breach of copyright, they'd
be foolish even to say so in jest let alone mean it, because The MPAA
and SOPA types would be on their arses like stink on cheese.



About that, I wonder if the reason they don't seem to hit Usenet, but DO hit
BitTorrent, is that they want to have it on Usenet. If they can tap the
income of those big Usenet providers, they have a relatively easy way to get
paid. Tapping BitTorrent would be like drinking water out of damp muddy
ground. Why do that if you can do it straight from a pipe? I always figured
that tapping paid usenet services might be the RIAA and MPAA's best shot, if
they can reduce the leaks via torrents and small P2P systems. They don't even
have to work hard to make it happen, and nearly everyone gets what they want,
for pretty much what it currently costs them. The big providers won't like
it, but they'll put up with it, and pass the cost on as a small rise in
access costs for users.
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Old March 5th 12, 09:48 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
J. P. Gilliver (John)
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In message , 98 Guy writes:
[]
Note that some old versions of Agent are free, and newer versions are
not.

[]
I think there was always a "Free Agent" and a paid one, with the paid
one offering more features (I think at one time it did mail as well as
news, for example).

Thanks for all the screenshots of news clients: a useful post.
--
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"The people here are more educated and intelligent. Even stupid people in
Britain are smarter than Americans." Madonna, in RT 30 June-6July 2001 (page
32)
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Old March 5th 12, 02:06 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
98 Guy
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MotoTROLL spewed:

I happen to like the fact that I don't have to have a bull****
"account" to read and post to a news server. You have the
twisted idea that somehow that's an advantage.


It is. You can't spam with an account, lest you get booted off.
You wouldn't last a second on there.


Every post I've ever made on aioe I could equally make on ES.

Why would you think otherwise?

Because any boob can get a throw-away e-mail account for
Maternal September - so what's the point?


So you're saying you're a boob?


You're apparently too dense to know when I'm talking about you.

You're proof that even a monkey can get a Maternal September
account.


Says the monkey who insists on using AIOE in the presence of
better options like e-s.


ES is not better than AIOE.

AIOE is a completely open server, but it has rules that limit the number
of posts you can make in a 24 hour period, a limit that only spammers
would hit.

When exactly did I talk about "mixing" drivers here?


Think back to your little tirade on printers.
Oh, that's right--you can't see it, because you're on AIOE and
it happened over a month ago.


You mean what I posted on Dec 6 regarding Leslie Danks issue with the
Samsung CLX-3185 printer (I can check my own copies of what I post to
usenet - it doesn't matter how long AIOE's retention is)

You're still ****ed off that I trashed your solution by posting one of
my own.

Very juvenille of you - everyone here can see that.

I'm on Linux. Only morons use Windoze co connect to the Internet,


So why do you come here and act like a troll?

!i84w!exit210!304senye!motofox


What's is so special about the Red Lion Hotel?

Is that where you live?

MotoFox
Red Lion Hotel
304 SE Nye Ave
(541)276-6111

I-84 Exit 210
Pendleton, OR 97801

Now go back and play your kiddy video games and leave the adults alone.
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Old March 12th 12, 10:55 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Harry Vaderchi
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On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 00:31:12 -0000, Robert Macy
wrote:

On Mar 3, 1:18 pm, Lostgallifreyan wrote:
Robert Macy wrote in
news:754d7e34-597b-4015-a535-
:

Regarding the html source view. very cluttered and very interesting.
Thanks for the 'heads up' on being able to do that. good way to get
at the EXACT website addresses.


Indeed. I found it useful for direct SWF file downloads to file... Copy,
paste into a new plain text file, into an HTML link structu
A HREF="CopiedURLgoesHere.com/Whatsit.swf"Click me, for I am
linkage/A
Save that, rename as sdfg.HTM, open a in a browser, RIGHT-click, save
target
as....

It sounds cumbersome, but it's a totally memorable method, nearly always
works regardless of changes in OS's, browsers, and web server code over
decades, and beats fumbling for an 'easier way' when that fumbling
usually
takes more time than directly applying this method.


I put this in the Tips/Tricks! Clumsy don't care. Relaible now THAT
is priceless.


cmd line, 'cd /"my swf flies"' 'wget ' and paste swf link.


--
[dash dash space newline 4line sig]

Albi CNU
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Old March 12th 12, 10:58 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Harry Vaderchi
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On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 15:26:54 -0000, J. P. Gilliver (John)
wrote:
[]
It would be worth it, honestly; at least, it would be worth setting up a
news client with e-s, whether Opera is a good or bad one I don't know.


yes (to have a properly setup newsclient) and It does the job for me.


--
[dash dash space newline 4line sig]

Albi CNU
 




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