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Robert Macy wrote in news:8d3d5e14-8f47-4c65-9af5-
: sci.electronics.design sci.electronics.repair alt.home.repair just all mixed together, but at least during the blank time 2/29 thru That can't be good. s.e.d is busy... |
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Robert Macy wrote in news:8d3d5e14-8f47-4c65-9af5-
: can't reply -- supposedly Opera has the ability to present some information to eternal-september to allow me to post a reply back to the group. Got nntp access? If so, try Xnews. For this kind of work it seems second to none. I never entirely get used to it, but it always works. |
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MotoFox wrote:
It's your own fault for not using a better (more ergonomic) server like AIOE instead of a stupid-ass server like maternal september. If you really think AIOE is better than e-s, you're obviously more of a stoner And you're a complete ass-wipe. I don't know why the users of Maternal September have such an axe to grind with AIOE. I happen to like the fact that I don't have to have a bull**** "account" to read and post to a news server. You have the twisted idea that somehow that's an advantage. Probably the ONLY advantage (and thus, a major weakness) of AIOE is it doesn't require credentials to access it. It's no weakness. Because any boob can get a throw-away e-mail account for Maternal September - so what's the point? You're ****ed off because that's what the more intelligent individuals use to access Usenet You really are a complete ass-hole. with and you can't figure how to get on it. How would you know? How do you know that I don't have or ever did have an "account" with Maternal September? You're proof that even a monkey can get a Maternal September account. AIOE is for n00bz and spammerz, No, google-groups is for "noobs" and spammers. That's a big mistake you just made - an indication you don't really know the score. Oh - and cut the cute TaLk - it's lame coming from you. But then, you're the same one who seems to believe mixing and matching drivers and hardware is a good idea Wow - did that ever come from left field. Is that the worst put-down you have? I don't even know what you're talking about with that one. When exactly did I talk about "mixing" drivers here? and that any distribution of Window$ is somehow safe to use for Internet access... Not for you jack-ass. You're obviously too much of a moron to be able to use Windows to connect securely to the internet. Most other people can. |
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Robert Macy wrote:
Why don't you simply use a server that doesn't require login authentication - like news.aioe.org? No log on for me, they just keep sending them the second I get on line with auto updates every 5 minutes. I have no idea what that means. That's one of the problems, if you don't keep up you drown Again, I don't know what you're talking about. What are you using to read news when you connect to ES? Opera? I thought you recommended to try e-s I never recommend ES. I only recommend aioe (nntp.aioe.org) Look. Do yourself a favor and download a dedicated usenet client. A Mozilla or Netscape-based e-mail client. But don't use it for e-mail - just usenet. I use stupid 10-year-old software (Netscape Communicator 4.79) and it's a very efficient way to read and post to usenet. |
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Robert Macy wrote:
i subscribed to a few groups, then postings come down all the timeautomatically, and they're all mixed together chronologically coming in. sci.electronics.design sci.electronics.repair alt.home.repair Picture a giant list of postings all interspersed. that's what I get now. Stop using Opera. It's not a real usenet client (or at least it's not a good one). Use an email client. Like I said in my previous posts, most e-mail clients can also handle usenet. But don't use anything from microsoft (like OE or Outlook). This might help: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Usenet_newsreaders I use Netscape Communicator 4.79 for reading news. It can be downloaded from he http://downloads.5star-network.com/I...t/cc32d478.exe Here's what the user-interface looks like: http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/7/.../navigator.gif Very fast and efficient and organized way to read and post to usenet. A huge advantage of using a usenet client running on your own computer is that a copy of every post you make is stored locally on your own system - exactly the same way that copies of e-mail you send are stored locally in a "sent" folder. When you want to search for something you posted in the past, it's much faster to search your own local sent folder than to use Google's incredibly broken usenet search interface. |
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, Robert Macy writes: [my post snipped; it does make things easier if you interpost, i. e. place your replies below the bits they are replying to. I don't know if goggle groping makes doing that difficult, though.] i subscribed to a few groups, then postings come down all the So you _were_ using a news client of some sort. (I see from later in your post that it's Opera, though you didn't actually mention that fact except in passing.) timeautomatically, and they're all mixed together chronologically coming in. sci.electronics.design sci.electronics.repair alt.home.repair Do you mean the posts from all the 'groups are mixed up, or only within each 'group (i. e. can you see the 'groups separately)? If the latter, then most news clients have an option somewhere to see news either chronologically or as threads. I don't know if Opera has, or if it has, where to find it (I didn't know Opera did news, I only know of it as a browser, one I've not tried for many years). Perhaps another Opera user can say. [] can't reply -- supposedly Opera has the ability to present some information to eternal-september to allow me to post a reply back to the group. However, after composing the reply and sending, some error message comes up, I suspect there' is some IP address or setting of some kind that's not right. the 'error msg' is the kick back. Ah, so it may well be Opera, rather than e-s, that's kicking. As you say, it's likely to be a setting - you have to enter your username and password (which will have been in your initial email from e-s) somewhere. The fact that you're seeing 'groups other than e-s's own limited set suggests you have entered them somewhere; there's probably another setting ("use authentication" or something like that perhaps) that needs changing. since I was using google group access, which is easy to scan/reply/ initiate I never looked into what was wrong with the Opera/eternal- september link. It would be worth it, honestly; at least, it would be worth setting up a news client with e-s, whether Opera is a good or bad one I don't know. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf A sleekzorp without a tornpee is like a quop without a fertsneet (sort of). |
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In message , 98 Guy writes:
[] Stop using Opera. It's not a real usenet client (or at least it's not a good one). Use an email client. Like I said in my previous posts, most e-mail clients can also handle usenet. But don't use anything from microsoft (like OE or Outlook). OE isn't at all bad, certainly in comparison with groping. I had to use it at work, and got on all right with it. (I did add OE-quotefix, granted.) I wouldn't try to use OE on 7 - not sure if it works, but as it isn't provided, you'd have to get it anyway, and if getting, I'd get something else (probably Thunderbird). Outlook actually uses OE for news anyway. Do you actually have experience of using Opera for news? This might help: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Usenet_newsreaders I use Netscape Communicator 4.79 for reading news. It can be downloaded from he http://downloads.5star-network.com/I...t/cc32d478.exe I used to, _many_ years ago (at least, I did for mail; can't remember if I did for news), and I agree, it's fair. Here's what the user-interface looks like: http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/7/.../navigator.gif Note the button to toggle threaded view on and off; look for something similar in your Opera. (It might be a setting - possibly per newsgroup - rather than a button.) [] A huge advantage of using a usenet client running on your own computer is that a copy of every post you make is stored locally on your own system - exactly the same way that copies of e-mail you send are stored locally in a "sent" folder. When you want to search for something you Not necessarily for either email or news. In most clients, the option to save local copies can be turned off; I don't know if some are off by default, or even if all offer the facility. posted in the past, it's much faster to search your own local sent folder than to use Google's incredibly broken usenet search interface. That's certainly true (about it being faster). -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf A sleekzorp without a tornpee is like a quop without a fertsneet (sort of). |
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:
Do you actually have experience of using Opera for news? No. I rarely use the Opera that I have (currently version 11.61) to browse certain websites. I've used Netscape Communicator 4.78 or 4.79 exclusively for news when I started to read/post to usenet ever since using windows (win-95 and then win-98). I don't remember if I was reading/posting to usenet while running windows 3.x. Prior to that, I read and posted to usenet through several Silicon Graphics work stations and through DOS via dial-up to a unix server (using tin or trn - something like that). This would have been 1987 - 1992 time-frame. Here's what the user-interface looks like: Note the button to toggle threaded view on and off; look for something similar in your Opera. Robert's issue is that Opera seems to be lumping in posts from different groups into the same display window. Even if he can toggle on or off the thread-view, it's still crazy (and not obviously fixable) how to get opera to separate the posts from different groups. And something else that he indicates that Opera is doing - it's grabbing posts from the subscribed groups by itself, on some sort of schedule. Sort of like auto-checking for new mail. That has got to be frustrating when it's dumping all those posts into the same folder. Robert is sort of thinking that this auto-retrieve activity is a function of the news server he's using. It's not. NNTP servers don't "push" new posts to users. A huge advantage of using a usenet client running on your own computer is that a copy of every post you make is stored locally on your own system - Not necessarily for either email or news. In most clients, the option to save local copies can be turned off; I wasn't saying that it was necessary to be able to save a local copy of your own posts (or e-mails) - but now that you mention it I have to ask why you wouldn't. I made that point to show what can be done when you read and post to usenet using a dedicated client vs using google-groups. |
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In message , 98 Guy writes:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: [] Note the button to toggle threaded view on and off; look for something similar in your Opera. Robert's issue is that Opera seems to be lumping in posts from different groups into the same display window. Even if he can toggle on or off Ah, it wasn't clear to me from his post whether it was mingling 'groups, or just threads within each 'group. If 'groups, then I'd agree, that's hardly worth being called a news client. [] And something else that he indicates that Opera is doing - it's grabbing posts from the subscribed groups by itself, on some sort of schedule. Sort of like auto-checking for new mail. That has got to be frustrating when it's dumping all those posts into the same folder. Agreed, if they're all going into the same folder/window/whatever. It does need to fetch, though, on some sort of schedule ... Robert is sort of thinking that this auto-retrieve activity is a function of the news server he's using. It's not. NNTP servers don't "push" new posts to users. .... as you say, servers don't push, so if the client didn't fetch, you'd never see new posts. A huge advantage of using a usenet client running on your own computer is that a copy of every post you make is stored locally on your own system - Not necessarily for either email or news. In most clients, the option to save local copies can be turned off; I wasn't saying that it was necessary to be able to save a local copy of I said "not necessarily", rather than "not necessary". your own posts (or e-mails) - but now that you mention it I have to ask why you wouldn't. These days, I suppose there's little reason not to. Though my original reason - saving space - might conceivably be valid to some, considering what 'group we're in. I made that point to show what can be done when you read and post to usenet using a dedicated client vs using google-groups. Yes, good example. Also, I earlier recommended Thunderbird - I'd forgotten what 'group I'm in, and am not sure if I'd recommend it for '98. (Not that I know there's anything wrong with any version of TB that runs under '98, just I genuinely don't know.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf No, no, you're not thinking, you're just being logical. -Niels Bohr, physicist (1885-1962) |
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