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Old June 21st 06, 01:41 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.networking
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I've recently had my broadband connection upgraded to ADSLMax ( up to
8mbps). I run 3 PCs off a Netgear DG834G wireless router/modem. Two are
running on Windows XP and 1 runs on WinME. If I run one or both XP machines
there is no problem getting a synch speed of over 3.5 mbps but if I boot up
the WinME machine it immediately forces a disconnection of the router which
then always resynchs at a speed just below 1 mbps. It seems like the WinME
PC is throttling the speed of the connection. I've tried various RWIN MTU
tweaks to no avail.
Does WinME have a 1mbps speed limit? Has anyone achieved higher speeds on
WinME? Is there a setting in WinME which I have overlooked which could
cause this?

Terry_P
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Old June 21st 06, 02:16 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.networking
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Terry,

What you have connected to your router should have no effect on the
connection your router has with your ISP and the internet. I am using the
same router (DG834G) and have machines running Win 98SE, Win Me, XP, Vista
and variations of Linux connected to the router both wired and using
wireless.

The synch speed with the exchange is controlled by the wiring between your
router and the exchange, not what is connected to the router, with
distance to the exchange and quality of the wiring being factors. Simply
turning on a PC should not cause the problems you are reporting but check
that the problem isn't a faulty power circuit with perhaps the Win Me box
causing a power spike that causes the router to reboot. Remember that the
DSLAM in your local exchange has no idea as to what you have connected to
your LAN, all it can "see" is your router.

Win Me will not limit your connection speed. MTU has nothing to do with
disconnection. There are no settings in Win Me that have any effect on
the state of the connection between your router and the exchange, Win Me
and higher speeds, my router is permanently synched at 7.5Mbps or better
regardless of what I have connected to my LAN. And yes, I am in the UK
and have been on an 8Mbps service for more than a year although not using
a service provided by BT Openwoe.
--
Mike Maltby
MS-MVP Windows



Terry_P wrote:

I've recently had my broadband connection upgraded to ADSLMax ( up to
8mbps). I run 3 PCs off a Netgear DG834G wireless router/modem. Two
are running on Windows XP and 1 runs on WinME. If I run one or both
XP machines there is no problem getting a synch speed of over 3.5
mbps but if I boot up the WinME machine it immediately forces a
disconnection of the router which then always resynchs at a speed
just below 1 mbps. It seems like the WinME PC is throttling the speed
of the connection. I've tried various RWIN MTU tweaks to no avail.
Does WinME have a 1mbps speed limit? Has anyone achieved higher
speeds on WinME? Is there a setting in WinME which I have overlooked
which could cause this?


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Old June 21st 06, 05:08 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.networking
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Default WinME PC slows down ADSLMax speed

PS You may have already read these articles but if not the following may
be of interest about BT ADSLMax product which is the name of the BT retail
product running on BT Wholesale Max.
"BT Wholesale Max service round-up"
(http://www.adslguide.org.uk/newsarchive.asp?item=2699) and
"BT Wholesale Max product glossary"
(http://www.adslguide.org.uk/newsarchive.asp?item=2693).
--
Mike Maltby
MS-MVP Windows



Mike M wrote:

Terry,

What you have connected to your router should have no effect on the
connection your router has with your ISP and the internet. I am
using the same router (DG834G) and have machines running Win 98SE,
Win Me, XP, Vista and variations of Linux connected to the router
both wired and using wireless.

The synch speed with the exchange is controlled by the wiring between
your router and the exchange, not what is connected to the router,
with distance to the exchange and quality of the wiring being
factors. Simply turning on a PC should not cause the problems you
are reporting but check that the problem isn't a faulty power circuit
with perhaps the Win Me box causing a power spike that causes the
router to reboot. Remember that the DSLAM in your local exchange has
no idea as to what you have connected to your LAN, all it can "see"
is your router.
Win Me will not limit your connection speed. MTU has nothing to do
with disconnection. There are no settings in Win Me that have any
effect on the state of the connection between your router and the
exchange, Win Me and higher speeds, my router is permanently
synched at 7.5Mbps or better regardless of what I have connected to
my LAN. And yes, I am in the UK and have been on an 8Mbps service
for more than a year although not using a service provided by BT
Openwoe.
I've recently had my broadband connection upgraded to ADSLMax ( up to
8mbps). I run 3 PCs off a Netgear DG834G wireless router/modem. Two
are running on Windows XP and 1 runs on WinME. If I run one or both
XP machines there is no problem getting a synch speed of over 3.5
mbps but if I boot up the WinME machine it immediately forces a
disconnection of the router which then always resynchs at a speed
just below 1 mbps. It seems like the WinME PC is throttling the speed
of the connection. I've tried various RWIN MTU tweaks to no avail.
Does WinME have a 1mbps speed limit? Has anyone achieved higher
speeds on WinME? Is there a setting in WinME which I have overlooked
which could cause this?


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Old June 21st 06, 08:03 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.networking
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On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:16:14 +0100, Mike M wrote:

Terry,

What you have connected to your router should have no effect on the
connection your router has with your ISP and the internet. I am using the
same router (DG834G) and have machines running Win 98SE, Win Me, XP, Vista
and variations of Linux connected to the router both wired and using
wireless.

The synch speed with the exchange is controlled by the wiring between your
router and the exchange, not what is connected to the router, with
distance to the exchange and quality of the wiring being factors. Simply
turning on a PC should not cause the problems you are reporting but check
that the problem isn't a faulty power circuit with perhaps the Win Me box
causing a power spike that causes the router to reboot. Remember that the
DSLAM in your local exchange has no idea as to what you have connected to
your LAN, all it can "see" is your router.

Win Me will not limit your connection speed. MTU has nothing to do with
disconnection. There are no settings in Win Me that have any effect on
the state of the connection between your router and the exchange, Win Me
and higher speeds, my router is permanently synched at 7.5Mbps or better
regardless of what I have connected to my LAN. And yes, I am in the UK
and have been on an 8Mbps service for more than a year although not using
a service provided by BT Openwoe.


Mike,
Thanks for teaching me how to suck eggs!
I know and agree basically with what you say but you are not
differentiating between router synch speed and *actual* download speed
achieved on different PCs connected to the same router. Through extensive
testing I have now proved to my own satisfaction that a PC running WinME
will provide an actual download speed much less (perhaps only 55% or 60%)
of that on a PC running Windows XP or Linux for the same router synch
speed. I have tested on 2 similar PCs running WinME but with different
network cards. One of the PCs also double boots to Linux and the
comparative results prove to me that my results are independent of hardware
differences.

I invite anyone who is sceptical to carry out their own tests.

Terry_P

Terry_P
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Old June 21st 06, 10:07 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.networking
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Terry,

I know and agree basically with what you say but you are not
differentiating between router synch speed and *actual* download speed
achieved on different PCs connected to the same router.


Why should since I observe none? Further you have now changed the problem
so which exactly is it? What I did was address the problem as originally
stated, that Win Me was forcing your router to disconnect and then
re-connect with a lower synch rate. Something that a PC on your LAN is
most unlikely to do unless you choose to do this by either logging on to
the router using its web interface or using telnet to access the router's
command line interface.

Through
extensive testing I have now proved to my own satisfaction that a PC
running WinME will provide an actual download speed much less
(perhaps only 55% or 60%) of that on a PC running Windows XP or Linux
for the same router synch speed.


No not "a" PC running Win Me but rather YOUR PC when running Win Me. As I
stated in my previous message I have never observed slower downloads to a
PC running Win Me from any other. If your Win Me PC downloads from the
net slower than your other PCs look to your network card and its drivers.
How is your Win Me PC connecting to the router, wired or wireless? What
make and model network card or wireless card does the PC have? What
speeds do you see when transferring files to and from the Win Me PC to
other machines on your LAN?

I invite anyone who is sceptical to carry out their own tests.


It appears you had difficulties when reading and taking in my initial
post. I have just checked my Win Me PC and downloaded the SP2 service
pack for XP (226MB) at 570KBps. It would probably have been a fair bit
faster as I am currently synched at 7488 kbps if I had chosen to stop all
activity on my LAN which I did not and thus not all my external bandwidth
was available.

In conclusion, the problem is not with the operating system so look to
your hardware and drivers.
--
Mike Maltby
MS-MVP Windows



Terry_P wrote:

Thanks for teaching me how to suck eggs!
I know and agree basically with what you say but you are not
differentiating between router synch speed and *actual* download speed
achieved on different PCs connected to the same router. Through
extensive testing I have now proved to my own satisfaction that a PC
running WinME will provide an actual download speed much less
(perhaps only 55% or 60%) of that on a PC running Windows XP or Linux
for the same router synch speed. I have tested on 2 similar PCs
running WinME but with different network cards. One of the PCs also
double boots to Linux and the comparative results prove to me that my
results are independent of hardware differences.

I invite anyone who is sceptical to carry out their own tests.


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Old June 22nd 06, 07:16 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.networking
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On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:41:04 +0100, Terry_P wrote:

I've recently had my broadband connection upgraded to ADSLMax ( up to
8mbps). I run 3 PCs off a Netgear DG834G wireless router/modem. Two are
running on Windows XP and 1 runs on WinME. If I run one or both XP machines
there is no problem getting a synch speed of over 3.5 mbps but if I boot up
the WinME machine it immediately forces a disconnection of the router which
then always resynchs at a speed just below 1 mbps. It seems like the WinME
PC is throttling the speed of the connection. I've tried various RWIN MTU
tweaks to no avail.
Does WinME have a 1mbps speed limit? Has anyone achieved higher speeds on
WinME? Is there a setting in WinME which I have overlooked which could
cause this?


No, Windows ME has no speed limit. I ran my HP Pavilion 6745C on a
Comcast connection last week, and saw the full 4Mbits/sec down that the
connection was established for.

Your modem shouldn't be losing synch over a computer connection. I've
never worked with a combo unit, though, so I don't know what to look
for.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum
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Old June 22nd 06, 07:25 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.networking
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On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:03:03 +0100, Terry_P wrote:

Through extensive testing I have now proved to my own satisfaction that a
PC running WinME will provide an actual download speed much less (perhaps
only 55% or 60%) of that on a PC running Windows XP or Linux for the same
router synch speed. I have tested on 2 similar PCs running WinME but with
different network cards. One of the PCs also double boots to Linux and the
comparative results prove to me that my results are independent of hardware
differences.

I invite anyone who is sceptical to carry out their own tests.


I synch at 1536kbits/sec:

| Modem Information
| Modem Name SpeedStream
| Model 4100
| Software Version 1.0.0.53
|
| Statistics
|
| ADSL Information
| Line State UP
| Modulation ANSI
| Data Path fast
|
| To Modem To Internet
| Max Allowed Speed (kbps) 1536 384
| SN Margin (dB) 12.5 -
| Line Attenuation (dB) 49.0 -
| Loss of Signal 0 -
| Loss of Frame 0 0
| CRC Errors 1179 5

I routinely see 139kBytes/sec on BT downloads. This SS4100 does not have
a normal router function, so I run a Netgear FR114P between modem and
router.

Computer is an HP Pavilion 6745C with Windows ME running. Last week I
connected it to a relative's LAN on Comcast cable. HP Pavilion 6745C
SMC Barricade 7004BR RCA cable modem. BT downloaded a Linux Live-CD
ISO image at 445kBytes/sec. It is unlikely that Windows ME was limiting
the download there.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum
 




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