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home networking - ICS problem
I am trying to set up a simple home network - two Win98SE
machines with Ethernet cards connected through a switch. Only one machine has a modem; I want to use ICS on the other. (I realize that this is not quite a state-of-the- art system, but it's what I've got). Everything was working until I installed ICS. At that point I could no longer access the Internet from the host machine. My modem would dial out and connect to my ISP OK but I couldn't get any further than that. Here's a transcript of what went on: When I left off yesterday, both computers had networking cards installed and apparently operational (no error messages), but I had not yet created a network (i.e., neither computer had IP addresses assigned and neither appeared in the others "Network Neighborhood" display. My internet connection works. I'm going to back up the registry and C:\WINDOWS\ to tape before doing anything else. Situation at the moment: (note that "Client for Microsoft Networks" and Microsoft Family Logon" both appear twice. I'm not sure that's rightbut I'm going to leave it like that under the If It Aint Broke Dont Fix It principle for now). StartSettingsControl PanelNetworkConfiguration (client icon)Client for Microsoft Networks (client icon)Client for Microsoft Networks (client icon)Microsoft Family Logon (client icon)Microsoft Family Logon (adapter icon)Dial-Up Adapter (adapter icon)Infrared PnP Serial Port (*PNP0510) (adapter icon)SURECOM EP-320X-R 100/10M PCI Adapter (protocol icon)Fast Infrared Protocol - Infrared PnP Serial Port (*PNP0510) (protocol icon)TCP/IP - Dial-Up Adapter (protocol icon)TCP/IP - SURECOM EP-320X-R 100/10M PCI Adapter (service icon)File and printer sharing for Microsoft Networks Primary Network Logon Client for Microsoft Networks StartSettingsControl PanelNetworkConfigurationDial- Up AdapterPropertiesBindings (checked) TCP/IP - Dial-Up Adapter StartSettingsControl PanelNetworkConfigurationSURECOM EP-320X-R 100/10M PCI AdapterPropertiesBindings (checked) TCP/IP - SURECOM EP320X-R 100/10M PCI Adapter StartSettingsControl PanelNetworkConfigurationTCP/IP - Dial-Up AdapterProperties (a warning box appears saying nothing should be changed here) IP Addess - Obtain Automatically WINS Configuration - disabled Gateway - nothing entered DNS Configuration - disabled Bindings - Client for Microsoft Networks and Microsoft Family Logon are checked StartSettingsControl PanelNetworkConfigurationTCP/IP - SURECOM EP320X-R 100/10M PCI AdapterPropertiesBindings IP Addess - Specify an IP Address IP address - 192.168.0.1 Subnet mask - 255.255.255.0 WINS Configuration - disabled Gateway - nothing entered DNS Configuration - disabled Bindings - Client for Microsoft Networks, Microsoft Family Logon and File and Printer Sharing are checked DesktopMy ComputerDial-Up NetworkingCIS Connection (right click)PropertiesTCP/IP Settings Server assigned IP address Server assigned name server addresses Use default gateway on remote network StartRunC:\WINDOWS\winipcfg Windows 98 IP Configuration Host Name . . . . . . . . . : HOMEBUILT DNS Servers . . . . . . . . : 209.154.36.74 206.175.136.174 Node Type . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast NetBIOS Scope ID. . . . . . : IP Routing Enabled. . . . . : Yes WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . : No NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS : No Ethernet adapter : Description . . . . . . . . : PPP Adapter. Physical Address. . . . . . : 44-45-53-54-00-00 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 216.192.43.17 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . : 216.192.43.17 DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255 Primary WINS Server . . . . : Secondary WINS Server . . . : Lease Obtained. . . . . . . : 01 01 80 12:00:00 AM Lease Expires . . . . . . . : 01 01 80 12:00:00 AM Ethernet adapter : Description . . . . . . . . : Realtek 8139-series PCI NIC Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-02-44-F0-02-F8 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : No IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . : Primary WINS Server . . . . : Secondary WINS Server . . . : Lease Obtained. . . . . . . : Lease Expires . . . . . . . : Everything is the same on the other computer except the IP address, which is 192.168.0.2 (I realize I can use ICS until I install DHCP on the client but for now I just want to make sure I can connect). OK here goes. Reboot both computers. OK, both computers are rebooted. The network works - both computers appear in each other's Network Neighborhood. Now let's try an internet connection. It works. Now for internet connection sharing. StartSettingsControl PanelAdd/Remove ProgramsWindows SetupInternet ToolsInternet Connection Sharing The Internet Connection Sharing Wizard starts up. Specify "Dial-Up Adapter" as the Internet connection and SURECOM EP320X-R 100/10M PCI Adapter as the network connection. Reboot. Ok, now we're rebooted. I got a message from Norton Antivirus that it is unable to install email protection. That's interesting and may be significant, because I had e-mail protection turned off. So let's see if wr can get an internet connection. Dial -up connection window comes up. Modem dials. Hosts picks up. No joy. DNS error from IE; "host 'pop.compuserve.com' cannot be found" from OE. StartSettingsControl PanelNetworkConfiguration The following are added: (adapter)Internet Connection Sharing (protocol)Internet Connection Sharing(protocol}-Dial-Up Adapter (protocol)Internet Connection Sharing(protocol)-Internet Connection Sharing (protocol)Internet Connection Sharing(protocol)-SURECOM EP320X-R 100/10M PCI Adapter (protocol)TCP/IP-Internet Connection Sharing The TCP/IP(home) and TCP/IP(shared) components are missing. So let's deal with that. StartRunsfc.exe Extract one file iphlpapi.dll restore save file ok ok reboot get that NAV message again. the warning box header says POPPROXY Now I'm supposed to remove and reinstall ICS StartSettingsControl PanelAdd/Remove ProgramsWindows SetupInternet Tools uncheck Internet Connection Sharing restart Get that POPROXY error from NAV again. Check NAV; e-mail protection is in fact turned off. StartSettingsControl PanelAdd/Remove ProgramsWindows SetupInternet Tools check Internet Connection Sharing Go through ICS wizard again - set up adapters as requested restart StartSettingsControl PanelNetworkConfigure There are now entries for (protocol)TCP/IP(Shared)-Dial-Up Adapter (protocol)TCP/IP(Home)-SURECOM EP320X-R 100/10M PCI Adapter Ok, lets try an internet connection Dial-Up Connection window comes up Modem picks up and dials Connect to host no joy - dnserror on IE, "host not found" on OE; Now what? Somebody suggested I need NETBEUI on the host machine, so add a NETBEUI-SURECOM EP320X-R 100/10M PCI Adapter binding and restart. again, no joy at this point, Winipcfg reads: Windows 98 IP Configuration Host Name . . . . . . . . . : HOMEBUILT DNS Servers . . . . . . . . : Node Type . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast NetBIOS Scope ID. . . . . . : IP Routing Enabled. . . . . : Yes WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . : No NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS : No Ethernet adapter : Description . . . . . . . . : ICSHARE Adapter. Physical Address. . . . . . : 44-45-53-54-00-00 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 169.254.55.185 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . : DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255 Primary WINS Server . . . . : Secondary WINS Server . . . : Lease Obtained. . . . . . . : 06 22 04 9:43:10 PM Lease Expires . . . . . . . : Ethernet adapter : Description . . . . . . . . : Realtek 8139-series PCI NIC Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-02-44-F0-02-F8 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : No IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . : Primary WINS Server . . . . : Secondary WINS Server . . . : Lease Obtained. . . . . . . : Lease Expires . . . . . . . : Somebody else suggested there's a firewall problem; the only thing like a firewall I have is NAV, so I'll uninstall that. Again, no joy. Same errors. So there's those duplicate entries for "Client for Microsoft Networks" and "Microsoft Family Logon" in the Network Configuration window. Remove one of each. Again, no luck, same errors. The only other thing I notice is that when I try to access a web page, I get activity on the "TX" modem light (by that I mean the little system tray icon; it's an internal modem) but nothing ever appears on the "RX" light. So it appears that I'm sending stuff out but not getting anything back. Perhaps something is being misidentified to the Net? |
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home networking - ICS problem
Your host computer needs to be the one that contains the modem, and should
also be the one from which ICS is used. You don't need a switch, just connect the two computers together (via their NICs) with a Category 5 CROSSOVER cable, not a straight-through cable. Use file sharing to allow the two computers to share files. For additional info on the subject, go to www.practicallynetworked.com. HTH |
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home networking - ICS problem
My host computer is the one with the modem. I may not
need a switch now but I intend to add additional computers eventually. I'm not going to go out and buy a crossover cable unless you can convince me that's whats causing my internet problem. I don't need any advice on the network part; it is working fine - I can access each machine's drives from the other, everything shows up right in Network Neighborhood, etc. I just want to get ICS working. I've tried a whole number of things - including the website you mentioned - with no success. As soon as I install ICS I lose Internet connectivity, and I can't get it back without drastic measures - reinstalling Win98SE and the registry. (doing either alone does not work). This Microsoft article http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en- us;229974 describes exactly the problem I'm having, but the conditions that cause the problem are different - I'm using a dial-up modem, not a cable modem service. -----Original Message----- Your host computer needs to be the one that contains the modem, and should also be the one from which ICS is used. You don't need a switch, just connect the two computers together (via their NICs) with a Category 5 CROSSOVER cable, not a straight-through cable. Use file sharing to allow the two computers to share files. For additional info on the subject, go to www.practicallynetworked.com. HTH . |
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I won't try to convince you of anything, but consider this: crossover cables
are being sold for as little as $3. |
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home networking - ICS problem
Well, so what? I repeat:
1) The network part is working now. The two computers can share files, printers, and everything else just fine. What will having a crossover cable allow me to do with the network that I can't do now? 2) When I attempt to install ICS on one computer, which we'll call the host, I can no longer connect to the Internet. This does not affect my ability to network to the other computer. How will having a crossover cable solve this? I see nothing in Microsoft or any other documentation on networks that suggests there is any relation between ICS and the way network computers are connected. -----Original Message----- I won't try to convince you of anything, but consider this: crossover cables are being sold for as little as $3. . |
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home networking - ICS problem
Why use ICS at all? There are other ways.
Take a look at www.practicallynetworked.com for a description of several methods, and good luck to you. |
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home networking - ICS problem
It has become a personal vendetta. It's supposed to work
and I'm going to make it work. Thanks for the good wishes. I have visted the link you mentioned and while interesting it doesn't seem to have anything that bears on my particular problem. -----Original Message----- Why use ICS at all? There are other ways. Take a look at www.practicallynetworked.com for a description of several methods, and good luck to you. . |
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home networking - ICS problem
Are you sure? That website has a lot of depth (other pages to link to).
"bruce" wrote in message ... It has become a personal vendetta. It's supposed to work and I'm going to make it work. Thanks for the good wishes. I have visted the link you mentioned and while interesting it doesn't seem to have anything that bears on my particular problem. -----Original Message----- Why use ICS at all? There are other ways. Take a look at www.practicallynetworked.com for a description of several methods, and good luck to you. . |
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