During windows 98SE install CDROM stops working

In message
, DJW
writes:
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from TEAC. That the first screen of text during boot up I quickly see
the CD-ROM not found. (Is there a way to freeze the screens at boot up
to be able to actually read them?) The next screen tells me that the
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This is one of the very few times when the Pause key is useful! (On a
laptop keyboard, it may need the function key as it's probably sharing a
key with something else.)

You get _out_ of the "paused" mode by pressing the enter key.
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Get off me, you filthy sofa! (First series, fit the sixth.)

So is what you are telling me is that the DOS CD driver that I put on
from TEAC is running first which then makes the Windows 98SE generic
driver not run and control the CDROM drive at D. As far as the drive
letter moving down one or more I did try the path D, E and F as in E:
\win98 and it still was not able to go find the files it wanted after
the hard drive booted the first time during the installation process
of win 98. If I remember it booted from the CD started the
installation restarted and booted once more from the CD then my
directions from Winbook or maybe windows screen’s directions told me
it needed to restart and choose number one to boot from Hard drive to
complete the installation at that point after the hard drive booted it
began to ask me to find certain files. That is when I tried the
different win98 folder paths with different drive letters. Was I short
and maybe should have gone on to try G, H or I? When this what I think
was the third boot during installation happened was there still a Ram
disk created or existing most likely at drive letter D?

You can manually edit those files to remove the references to the CD. The CONFIG.SYS reference is a DEVICE line, and the AUTOEXEC.BAT reference is a MSCDEX line. Just comment out the relevant lines and reboot.

What am I doing exactly above is it MSCDEX.EXE the file that I do not
want to run or is it a file called ATAPI_DOS.exe? What is the generic
windows 98SE driver that I do want to run?

When you say

And does that mean I should delete the lines in the CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT files or as quoted from Don P.


To disable any command in a BAT file or CONFIG.SYS we load any
text (ASCII) editor and simply type a semicolon and space
;
at the leftmost end of any line we want to deactivate,
and then Save the file of course.

So is what you are telling me is that the DOS CD driver that I put on
from TEAC is running first which then makes the Windows 98SE generic
driver not run and control the CDROM drive at D. As far as the drive
letter moving down one or more I did try the path D, E and F as in E:
\win98 and it still was not able to go find the files it wanted after
the hard drive booted the first time during the installation process
of win 98. If I remember it booted from the CD started the
installation restarted and booted once more from the CD then my
directions from Winbook or maybe windows screen’s directions told me
it needed to restart and choose number one to boot from Hard drive to
complete the installation at that point after the hard drive booted it
began to ask me to find certain files. That is when I tried the
different win98 folder paths with different drive letters. Was I short
and maybe should have gone on to try G, H or I? When this what I think
was the third boot during installation happened was there still a Ram
disk created or existing most likely at drive letter D?

You can manually edit those files to remove the references to the CD. The CONFIG.SYS reference is a DEVICE line, and the AUTOEXEC.BAT reference is a MSCDEX line. Just comment out the relevant lines and reboot.

What am I doing exactly above is it MSCDEX.EXE the file that I do not
want to run or is it a file called ATAPI_DOS.exe? What is the generic
windows 98SE driver that I do want to run?

When you say

And does that mean I should delete the lines in the CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT files or as quoted from Don P.


To disable any command in a BAT file or CONFIG.SYS we load any
text (ASCII) editor and simply type a semicolon and space
;
at the leftmost end of any line we want to deactivate,
and then Save the file of course.

You need the DOS CD drivers on the boot floppy so that the install procedure
can find the CD drive. During installation the CD is running in DOS mode.
When the install procedure restarts it boots from the hard drive, and from
then on uses the Windows driver for the CD. In your case it seems that the
DOS drivers are getting copied into the AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS that is
being created on the hard drive, so that the second part of the install, and
the running Widows installation, are using DOS drivers.

You need to delete or REM out the references to ATAPI_DOS.exe and MSCDEX.exe
from the version of AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS in the root folder of the
hard drive. Leave these files on the boot floppy as they are. There should
be no reference to CD drivers in the CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT that are
used when Windows is booted . In fact, these files are often empty for
Windows 98 users.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"DJW" wrote in message
...
So is what you are telling me is that the DOS CD driver that I put on
from TEAC is running first which then makes the Windows 98SE generic
driver not run and control the CDROM drive at D. As far as the drive
letter moving down one or more I did try the path D, E and F as in E:
\win98 and it still was not able to go find the files it wanted after
the hard drive booted the first time during the installation process
of win 98. If I remember it booted from the CD started the
installation restarted and booted once more from the CD then my
directions from Winbook or maybe windows screen’s directions told me
it needed to restart and choose number one to boot from Hard drive to
complete the installation at that point after the hard drive booted it
began to ask me to find certain files. That is when I tried the
different win98 folder paths with different drive letters. Was I short
and maybe should have gone on to try G, H or I? When this what I think
was the third boot during installation happened was there still a Ram
disk created or existing most likely at drive letter D?

You can manually edit those files to remove the references to the CD. The
CONFIG.SYS reference is a DEVICE line, and the AUTOEXEC.BAT reference is a
MSCDEX line. Just comment out the relevant lines and reboot.

What am I doing exactly above is it MSCDEX.EXE the file that I do not
want to run or is it a file called ATAPI_DOS.exe? What is the generic
windows 98SE driver that I do want to run?

When you say

And does that mean I should delete the lines in the CONFIG.SYS and
AUTOEXEC.BAT files or as quoted from Don P.


To disable any command in a BAT file or CONFIG.SYS we load any
text (ASCII) editor and simply type a semicolon and space
;
at the leftmost end of any line we want to deactivate,
and then Save the file of course.

You need the DOS CD drivers on the boot floppy so that the install procedure
can find the CD drive. During installation the CD is running in DOS mode.
When the install procedure restarts it boots from the hard drive, and from
then on uses the Windows driver for the CD. In your case it seems that the
DOS drivers are getting copied into the AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS that is
being created on the hard drive, so that the second part of the install, and
the running Widows installation, are using DOS drivers.

You need to delete or REM out the references to ATAPI_DOS.exe and MSCDEX.exe
from the version of AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS in the root folder of the
hard drive. Leave these files on the boot floppy as they are. There should
be no reference to CD drivers in the CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT that are
used when Windows is booted . In fact, these files are often empty for
Windows 98 users.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"DJW" wrote in message
...
So is what you are telling me is that the DOS CD driver that I put on
from TEAC is running first which then makes the Windows 98SE generic
driver not run and control the CDROM drive at D. As far as the drive
letter moving down one or more I did try the path D, E and F as in E:
\win98 and it still was not able to go find the files it wanted after
the hard drive booted the first time during the installation process
of win 98. If I remember it booted from the CD started the
installation restarted and booted once more from the CD then my
directions from Winbook or maybe windows screen’s directions told me
it needed to restart and choose number one to boot from Hard drive to
complete the installation at that point after the hard drive booted it
began to ask me to find certain files. That is when I tried the
different win98 folder paths with different drive letters. Was I short
and maybe should have gone on to try G, H or I? When this what I think
was the third boot during installation happened was there still a Ram
disk created or existing most likely at drive letter D?

You can manually edit those files to remove the references to the CD. The
CONFIG.SYS reference is a DEVICE line, and the AUTOEXEC.BAT reference is a
MSCDEX line. Just comment out the relevant lines and reboot.

What am I doing exactly above is it MSCDEX.EXE the file that I do not
want to run or is it a file called ATAPI_DOS.exe? What is the generic
windows 98SE driver that I do want to run?

When you say

And does that mean I should delete the lines in the CONFIG.SYS and
AUTOEXEC.BAT files or as quoted from Don P.


To disable any command in a BAT file or CONFIG.SYS we load any
text (ASCII) editor and simply type a semicolon and space
;
at the leftmost end of any line we want to deactivate,
and then Save the file of course.

In message
, DJW
writes:
So is what you are telling me is that the DOS CD driver that I put on
from TEAC is running first which then makes the Windows 98SE generic
driver not run and control the CDROM drive at D. As far as the drive

That is a best guess, yes.

letter moving down one or more I did try the path D, E and F as in E:
\win98 and it still was not able to go find the files it wanted after
the hard drive booted the first time during the installation process
of win 98. If I remember it booted from the CD started the

Unless your system has a really tiny hard disc, I'd say it will be far
easier if you copy the contents of the WIN98 directory from the CD (not
its subdirectories) to a directory on the HD, and then run install from
there (SETUP); that should at least allow the installation to complete.
You could then edit CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT if necessary to comment
out (put REM or a ; before them) the relevant lines, in Notepad.

installation restarted and booted once more from the CD then my
directions from Winbook or maybe windows screen’s directions told me
it needed to restart and choose number one to boot from Hard drive to
complete the installation at that point after the hard drive booted it
began to ask me to find certain files. That is when I tried the

[That's quite a long clause (-:!]

different win98 folder paths with different drive letters. Was I short
and maybe should have gone on to try G, H or I? When this what I think
was the third boot during installation happened was there still a Ram
disk created or existing most likely at drive letter D?

From what I remember, it only creates the RAM disc when booting from the
floppy, though I might be wrong about that.

You can manually edit those files to remove the references to the CD.
The CONFIG.SYS reference is a DEVICE line, and the AUTOEXEC.BAT
reference is a MSCDEX line. Just comment out the relevant lines and
reboot.

What am I doing exactly above is it MSCDEX.EXE the file that I do not
want to run or is it a file called ATAPI_DOS.exe? What is the generic
windows 98SE driver that I do want to run?

The internal CD-ROM drive support isn't a file as such: on this machine,
when I look in Device Manager at the driver settings for my CD-ROM
drive, it says under the Driver tab "No driver files are required or
have been loaded for this device. To update the driver files for this
device, click Update Driver."

When you say

And does that mean I should delete the lines in the CONFIG.SYS and
AUTOEXEC.BAT files or as quoted from Don P.


To disable any command in a BAT file or CONFIG.SYS we load any
text (ASCII) editor and simply type a semicolon and space
;
at the leftmost end of any line we want to deactivate,
and then Save the file of course.


If you copy the install files (the \WIN98 directory contents) from the
CD to the HD, and install from there (I'd say do a reboot without the
floppy in - you may need to do a "sys C:" in the booted-from-floppy
condition to make the HD bootable if it isn't), it is likely that the
installation process will do the commenting-out for you.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL(+++)IS-P--Ch+(p)Ar+T[?]H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

A committee is a cul-de-sac down which ideas are lured and then quietly
strangled. -Barnett Cocks

In message
, DJW
writes:
So is what you are telling me is that the DOS CD driver that I put on
from TEAC is running first which then makes the Windows 98SE generic
driver not run and control the CDROM drive at D. As far as the drive

That is a best guess, yes.

letter moving down one or more I did try the path D, E and F as in E:
\win98 and it still was not able to go find the files it wanted after
the hard drive booted the first time during the installation process
of win 98. If I remember it booted from the CD started the

Unless your system has a really tiny hard disc, I'd say it will be far
easier if you copy the contents of the WIN98 directory from the CD (not
its subdirectories) to a directory on the HD, and then run install from
there (SETUP); that should at least allow the installation to complete.
You could then edit CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT if necessary to comment
out (put REM or a ; before them) the relevant lines, in Notepad.

installation restarted and booted once more from the CD then my
directions from Winbook or maybe windows screen’s directions told me
it needed to restart and choose number one to boot from Hard drive to
complete the installation at that point after the hard drive booted it
began to ask me to find certain files. That is when I tried the

[That's quite a long clause (-:!]

different win98 folder paths with different drive letters. Was I short
and maybe should have gone on to try G, H or I? When this what I think
was the third boot during installation happened was there still a Ram
disk created or existing most likely at drive letter D?

From what I remember, it only creates the RAM disc when booting from the
floppy, though I might be wrong about that.

You can manually edit those files to remove the references to the CD.
The CONFIG.SYS reference is a DEVICE line, and the AUTOEXEC.BAT
reference is a MSCDEX line. Just comment out the relevant lines and
reboot.

What am I doing exactly above is it MSCDEX.EXE the file that I do not
want to run or is it a file called ATAPI_DOS.exe? What is the generic
windows 98SE driver that I do want to run?

The internal CD-ROM drive support isn't a file as such: on this machine,
when I look in Device Manager at the driver settings for my CD-ROM
drive, it says under the Driver tab "No driver files are required or
have been loaded for this device. To update the driver files for this
device, click Update Driver."

When you say

And does that mean I should delete the lines in the CONFIG.SYS and
AUTOEXEC.BAT files or as quoted from Don P.


To disable any command in a BAT file or CONFIG.SYS we load any
text (ASCII) editor and simply type a semicolon and space
;
at the leftmost end of any line we want to deactivate,
and then Save the file of course.


If you copy the install files (the \WIN98 directory contents) from the
CD to the HD, and install from there (I'd say do a reboot without the
floppy in - you may need to do a "sys C:" in the booted-from-floppy
condition to make the HD bootable if it isn't), it is likely that the
installation process will do the commenting-out for you.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL(+++)IS-P--Ch+(p)Ar+T[?]H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

A committee is a cul-de-sac down which ideas are lured and then quietly
strangled. -Barnett Cocks

On Feb 7, 5:18 pm, "Jeff Richards" wrote:
Below was the entire conteins of my CONFIG.SYS flile:

DEVICE=c:\aecu.sys

FILES=40

LASTDRIVE=Z

DEVICE=C:\TEAC\TEAC_CDI.SYS /D:TEAC-CDI

DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\setver.exe


Below was the entire conteins of my AUTOEXEC.BAT:

rem - By Windows Setup - c:\windows\command\mscdex.exe /D:TEAC-CDI /M:
15

C:\mscdex.exe /D:TEAC-CDI /M:15

What needs to have the colon or out and out deleted. Could you show me
what I should have in the two files?

On Feb 7, 5:18 pm, "Jeff Richards" wrote:
Below was the entire conteins of my CONFIG.SYS flile:

DEVICE=c:\aecu.sys

FILES=40

LASTDRIVE=Z

DEVICE=C:\TEAC\TEAC_CDI.SYS /D:TEAC-CDI

DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\setver.exe


Below was the entire conteins of my AUTOEXEC.BAT:

rem - By Windows Setup - c:\windows\command\mscdex.exe /D:TEAC-CDI /M:
15

C:\mscdex.exe /D:TEAC-CDI /M:15

What needs to have the colon or out and out deleted. Could you show me
what I should have in the two files?

"DJW" wrote in message ...
My laptop’s new CD_ROM running windows 98 SE is not working right. The
DVD player on my laptop went out so I replaced it with a Teac CD-ROM
player model CD-224E-N83 drive and I set the jumpers for Slave and
installed the adapter from the old DVD on the back and slid it in. I
formatted the hard drive and started to do a clean install of win
98SE. When it got to the part that it wanted to restart using the hard
drive it began to ask for certain files. I gave it the path D:\win98
with no luck. I tried other drive letters. I came to the conclusion
that it was not being seen by the OS. I manually installed a driver
that Teac said was for my CD-ROM. I have inquired at various places
including TEAC and have been told that the CD-ROM drivers with windows
98 SE should be able to get the drive to work and that no additional
driver would have even been needed. The CD works with the 98 boot
floppy with CDROM support and with the windows 98 installer CD with
CDROM support. But not with the Hard drive until I install the driver
from TEAC. That the first screen of text during boot up I quickly see
the CD-ROM not found. (Is there a way to freeze the screens at boot up
to be able to actually read them?) The next screen tells me that the
Teac driver loaded correctly. The Teac installer asked if it could
change the CONFIG.SYS file and the AUTOEXEC.BAT file and I let it
during installation of the driver.
Here is why I say the drive is not working correctly:
When I put a CD I have made in the names are truncated with tilde
marks at the end of the abbreviated names.
In the device manager the secondary IDE controller (dual fifo) has a
yellow exclamation make next to it. Under it’s resources tab it shows
no conflicts. Showed:
input/output range 0170-0177
input/output range 0376-0376
interrupt request 15
input/output range FFAQ8-FFAF
When I try to update the driver it looks on the win 98 (D:\win98)
installer CD and says the best driver is already loaded.
Driver details show:
C:\windows\system\IOSUBSYS\ESDI_506.pdr
It says in device manager that the device is either not present, not
working properly or does not have all the drivers installed (code 10)
In device manager no CD-ROM main heading or sub category is listed at
all.
If I put a check mark in the Secondary IDE controller’s box and
restart and then go back in device manager it has a red x over it. At
that point I can uncheck that disable in this profile box and like
magic the Teac CD-ROM appears under a new CD-ROM heading and the
Secondary IDE Controller is ok collapsed under the Hard disk
controller heading with no red x or yellow explanation mark. And the
CD disc when opened now has the correct full names. The problem is
when I reboot at this point I then back to having shortened names on
the CD disc and the yellow exclamation mark next to the Secondary IDE
controller listing. If I did the above but hit the enable button in
the secondary IDE controller I lose the CD-ROM access after boot up.
When the yellow exclamation mark is on the Secondary IDE Controller
and no CD-ROM is listed in device manager and I go to the Performance
tab in the system control panel the only listed is that the Drive D is
using:
MS_DOS compatibility mode file system.
Well what gives with this problem? Why do people and Teac always say
that windows 98 SE should install the correct drivers (generic) but it
does not allow the CD-ROM to work to complete the installation of
windows 98SE when booted from the hard disk. At the point it starts to
ask for files and for me to navigate to them with my non accessible CD-
ROM drive I keep saying skip and that goes on for about twenty files.
After the install finishes and I manually install the TEAC driver I
then drag all but a few files (I cant find) that it asked for from a
CD that I made on another computer running windows 98SE to the places
on C where I found them on that other computer. I have all but a few
files it asked for. I then go and install drivers with the add
hardware wizard that keeps asking for me to install stuff just after
start up. It is for the combo ESS sound card / modem, infrared port
and video card. I had gotten drivers from Winbook the maker of the
laptop and am able to install all correctly via their instructions.
But since it had a DVD player and I do not have the disk or got from
online the drivers from them for the dead old DVD plus I already at
this point have installed the CD-ROM Teac driver the wizard does not
even try to install any optical drive drivers. This is where I am at
an impasse not knowing what to do to fix the problem.

Go into the BIOS setup and try to disable the secondary IDE controller.
Be sure to save any changes. If this doesn't help or can't be done, try to
set the BIOS to "PNP OS".

Ben