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Replacing the boot drive, w/o reinstalling Windows and the apps?
Gary S. Terhune wrote in message ... ALL MSKB articles are at *least* a "little" obscure and hard to find! Funny thing, I Googled something and got it on the first try, third article listed--after Norton's Disk Editor. (Don't ask, I forget the exact search string I used and can't figure out what it was or repeat it, either!) Click in the blank Google search box and then hit the Down arrow. |
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Replacing the boot drive, w/o reinstalling Windows and the apps?
OK. I'm looking. It's a tribute to BING that you get the same Scandisk
message in the source & destination. That's a real clone! Let me continue reading to see what Terhune came up with... http://support.microsoft.com/?id=127055 How to Cause ScanDisk for Windows to Retest Bad Clusters Oh! That should do it! Apply it to the new drive, though, &... well... get that working before attempting it on the original. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, should things get worse after this, PCR "Bill in Co." wrote in message ... | PCR - thanks for all your help - I think I've got the mechanics down now, | but I still have that weird problem I just mentioned in my previous post. | | PCR wrote: | (5) Click the partition you wish to Copy on the right. | | | | |
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Replacing the boot drive, w/o reinstalling Windows and the apps?
Tried that. For some reason, the KB article didn't come up the same as the
previous time. Gawd! Do you know how many entries I have in that MRU? If I didn't know before how much I use Google, I certainly do now! -- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP for Win9x "Hugh Candlin" wrote in message ... Gary S. Terhune wrote in message ... ALL MSKB articles are at *least* a "little" obscure and hard to find! Funny thing, I Googled something and got it on the first try, third article listed--after Norton's Disk Editor. (Don't ask, I forget the exact search string I used and can't figure out what it was or repeat it, either!) Click in the blank Google search box and then hit the Down arrow. |
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Replacing the boot drive, w/o reinstalling Windows and the apps?
Some comments on this HD replacement (finally accomplished - if I hadn't
found that MS article last nite with Gary's help, I was about ready to try my old copy of Norton): Item#1: When I now run Defrag, it (for some reason) runs at lightning speed! This is not a modest increase, at all. Considering that I replaced the drive with the same model, I am a bit surprised. I don't think it's due to improvements in technology so much as something must have been wrong (but what?) with my old drive. This new drive runs quieter, which is nice! I mean, is it possible that a hard drive can have it's seek times decrease to say 10% or 20% of what they used to be? THAT seems hard to believe. But Defrag runs MUCH, MUCH faster - maybe 5-10 times faster than before. Item#2: The old drive showed this information in BING, some of which I don't understand: Partitions: Type: File System: ROOT DRIVE Partition FAT32 12/Ch: FAT32 MBR1 Entry1 Partition Extended 15/Fh: Extended NONAME Volume FAT32 11/Bh: FAT32 I am guessing that those hex values are based on the specific type of the partition. My new drive has two FAT32 partitions, with File System: 12/Ch: FAT32. Maybe 11/Bh means a "Volume" in the old drive. That must be it. Item#3: PCR, you left out some useful settings in BING. Specifically, I would also check the "Limit Primaries" checkbox, which limits the HD to 4 primary partitions, so that it will be compatible with other partitioning programs. And also check "Use Volume Label" and "CHS Alternative" (you mentioned that one, I believe). And copy Data (only) when doing a partition copy. And last, but not least, if you do a partition copy and have bad sectors on the source disk, use the information provided in that MS knowledgebase article 127055. What a trip this has been. I think I'm exhausted. (I must have run BING completely a half dozen times to get this all down). Thanks for your help, guys! |
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Replacing the boot drive, w/o reinstalling Windows and the apps?
"Bill in Co." wrote in message
... | Some comments on this HD replacement (finally accomplished - if I hadn't | found that MS article last nite with Gary's help, I was about ready to try | my old copy of Norton): Good man, that Terhune. I have always said so! I believe sf has told me I am invited to live in his new home. | | Item#1: | When I now run Defrag, it (for some reason) runs at lightning speed! This | is not a modest increase, at all. Considering that I replaced the drive | with the same model, I am a bit surprised. I don't think it's due to | improvements in technology so much as something must have been wrong (but | what?) with my old drive. This new drive runs quieter, which is nice! It is normal for Defrag to sail, when run 2/more times in a row. | | I mean, is it possible that a hard drive can have it's seek times decrease | to say 10% or 20% of what they used to be? THAT seems hard to believe. | But Defrag runs MUCH, MUCH faster - maybe 5-10 times faster than before. | | Item#2: The old drive showed this information in BING, some of which I | don't understand: | | Partitions: Type: File | System: | ROOT DRIVE Partition FAT32 12/Ch: FAT32 | MBR1 Entry1 Partition Extended 15/Fh: Extended | NONAME Volume FAT32 11/Bh: FAT32 | I am guessing that those hex values are based on the specific type of the | partition. | | My new drive has two FAT32 partitions, with File System: 12/Ch: FAT32. | Maybe 11/Bh means a "Volume" in the old drive. That must be it. Yes. Note 11 is decimal for "B" in hex. They are all like that. If you use BING to change it to a partition type unknown to Windows, it will become hidden. I haven't fooled with that! | | | Item#3: | | PCR, you left out some useful settings in BING. Specifically, I would | also check the "Limit Primaries" checkbox, which limits the HD to 4 primary | partitions, so that it will be compatible with other partitioning programs. Well, you are right, for perfect compatibility to Windows, it is imperative to limit primaries-- 4 per hard drive. That is what I have done, BUT I do not recall pressing a button for it. I THINK it was the default. Once one goes beyond 4, one must never do partitioning except using BING. Also, without BING, one will have access only to the 4 that are in the MBR. (I'm no expert in the matter.) | And also check "Use Volume Label" I don't know... Is that the default.? I do know BING will recognise a label put there in Explorer, but I... doubt... I... ever had to check (from BootItNG.pdf)... · Under General, select the Use Volume Label check box to use the volume label of a FAT/FAT32/HPFS partition as the name. If the name of a FAT/FAT32 file system is changed, then the volume label is also changed. | and "CHS Alternative" (you mentioned that | one, I believe). Right. But I never did that one. I am happy enough with BING, & never will use PM or whatever that doesn't like the things BING does. My partitions seem compatible enough to Windows. Also, I never will use FDISK, though I do not believe "CHS Alternative" relates to that. | And copy Data (only) when doing a partition copy. Right. That's how I do it. I SUPPOSE those various UNDELETE programs will no longer work after that, though. That is until you do a new delete. | And | last, but not least, if you do a partition copy and have bad sectors on the | source disk, use the information provided in that MS knowledgebase article | 127055. That is something I did not know till this thread. It does prove BING will create a clone par excellence! | | What a trip this has been. I think I'm exhausted. (I must have run | BING completely a half dozen times to get this all down). Absolutely, it is tough with only a black/white photographic memory to remember what one sees in BING or where one sees it! | | Thanks for your help, guys! You are welcome. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, should things get worse after this, PCR |
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PCR wrote:
"Bill in Co." wrote in message ... Some comments on this HD replacement (finally accomplished - if I hadn't found that MS article last nite with Gary's help, I was about ready to try my old copy of Norton): Good man, that Terhune. I have always said so! I believe sf has told me I am invited to live in his new home. Item#1: When I now run Defrag, it (for some reason) runs at lightning speed! This is not a modest increase, at all. Considering that I replaced the drive with the same model, I am a bit surprised. I don't think it's due to improvements in technology so much as something must have been wrong (but what?) with my old drive. This new drive runs quieter, which is nice! It is normal for Defrag to sail, when run 2/more times in a row. No, that's not it in this case. I run Defrag all the time, and it is *now* MUCH, MUCH faster in operation. Like lightning fast. (I'm still using the WinME defragger). (Trust me, this is unique). Any and all fragments are rearranged at super speed now, like Daredevil or Batman. Kinda fun watching it. BTW - the defaults have apparently changed in BING from your recollection. I had to go in and check a few items. I wanted to maintain maximum compatibility with other HD programs (like PM). Heck, I don't even need 4 partitions on this hard drive - I have two, and that's enough for me. Otherwise I'd go bonkers... |
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PCR wrote:
Very well. You always were a great proponent of an ME Defrag, I'll have to look next time to see whether I have checked "Use Volume Label". I'm thinking you may have created an EMBR by doing that, & that it was unnecessary for the purpose of viewing labels created in Explorer. Can you change the label in BING? Then, you have created an EMBR! I don't know if I could have changed the label in BING. I did it later in Explorer, and am now (happily) out of BING. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, should things get worse after this, PCR "Bill in Co." wrote in message ... PCR wrote: "Bill in Co." wrote in message ... Some comments on this HD replacement (finally accomplished - if I hadn't found that MS article last nite with Gary's help, I was about ready to try my old copy of Norton): Good man, that Terhune. I have always said so! I believe sf has told me I am invited to live in his new home. Item#1: When I now run Defrag, it (for some reason) runs at lightning speed! This is not a modest increase, at all. Considering that I replaced the drive with the same model, I am a bit surprised. I don't think it's due to improvements in technology so much as something must have been wrong (but what?) with my old drive. This new drive runs quieter, which is nice! It is normal for Defrag to sail, when run 2/more times in a row. No, that's not it in this case. I run Defrag all the time, and it is *now* MUCH, MUCH faster in operation. Like lightning fast. (I'm still using the WinME defragger). (Trust me, this is unique). Any and all fragments are rearranged at super speed now, like Daredevil or Batman. Kinda fun watching it. BTW - the defaults have apparently changed in BING from your recollection. I had to go in and check a few items. I wanted to maintain maximum compatibility with other HD programs (like PM). Heck, I don't even need 4 partitions on this hard drive - I have two, and that's enough for me. Otherwise I'd go bonkers... |
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Replacing the boot drive, w/o reinstalling Windows and the apps?
I looked & saw "Use Volume Label" was not checked by default, & I never
did check or uncheck it. All the same, BING shows labels created in Windows. I... think... that setting... probably won't do a thing, unless you actually install BING. Then, likely it will create an EMBR record to hold labels & such. Or... can it be... "Use Volume Label" will actually prevent that & use the one created in Windows? Unfortunately, my intensive study of BING began & ended before I could definitively answer questions such as that. OK, good luck with it! -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, should things get worse after this, PCR "Bill in Co." wrote in message ... | PCR wrote: | Very well. You always were a great proponent of an ME Defrag, I'll have | to look next time to see whether I have checked "Use Volume Label". I'm | thinking you may have created an EMBR by doing that, & that it was | unnecessary for the purpose of viewing labels created in Explorer. | | Can you change the label in BING? Then, you have created an EMBR! | | I don't know if I could have changed the label in BING. I did it later in | Explorer, and am now (happily) out of BING. | | | -- | Thanks or Good Luck, | There may be humor in this post, and, | Naturally, you will not sue, | should things get worse after this, | PCR | | "Bill in Co." wrote in message | ... | PCR wrote: | "Bill in Co." wrote in message | ... | Some comments on this HD replacement (finally accomplished - if I | hadn't | found that MS article last nite with Gary's help, I was about ready to | try | my old copy of Norton): | | Good man, that Terhune. I have always said so! I believe sf has told me | I am invited to live in his new home. | | | Item#1: | When I now run Defrag, it (for some reason) runs at lightning speed! | This | is not a modest increase, at all. Considering that I replaced the | drive | with the same model, I am a bit surprised. I don't think it's due | to | improvements in technology so much as something must have been wrong | (but | what?) with my old drive. This new drive runs quieter, which is nice! | | It is normal for Defrag to sail, when run 2/more times in a row. | | No, that's not it in this case. I run Defrag all the time, and it is | *now* | MUCH, MUCH faster in operation. Like lightning fast. (I'm still | using | the WinME defragger). (Trust me, this is unique). Any and all | fragments are rearranged at super speed now, like Daredevil or Batman. | Kinda fun watching it. | | BTW - the defaults have apparently changed in BING from your | recollection. | I had to go in and check a few items. I wanted to maintain maximum | | compatibility with other HD programs (like PM). Heck, I don't even | need 4 | partitions on this hard drive - I have two, and that's enough for me. | Otherwise I'd go bonkers... | | |
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Replacing the boot drive, w/o reinstalling Windows and the apps?
"PCR" wrote in message ... "Bill in Co." wrote in message ... | Item#2: The old drive showed this information in BING, some of which I | don't understand: | | Partitions: Type: File | System: | ROOT DRIVE Partition FAT32 12/Ch: FAT32 | MBR1 Entry1 Partition Extended 15/Fh: Extended | NONAME Volume FAT32 11/Bh: FAT32 | I am guessing that those hex values are based on the specific type of the | partition. | | My new drive has two FAT32 partitions, with File System: 12/Ch: FAT32. | Maybe 11/Bh means a "Volume" in the old drive. That must be it. Yes. Note 11 is decimal for "B" in hex. They are all like that. If a primary partition, 0xB is used for systems that don't support int 0x13 extentions (8GB), and 0xC is for systems that do. Only important to the loader code, fwiu, and are both equal otherwise. | Item#3: | | PCR, you left out some useful settings in BING. Specifically, I would | also check the "Limit Primaries" checkbox, which limits the HD to 4 primary | partitions, so that it will be compatible with other partitioning programs. Yeah, I definetly wouldn't go there. The only "use", I can think of is if you want to be able to multi-boot more than 4 OSs that require themselves to be loaded from a primary partition. Even then, I would try to work around it. Well, you are right, for perfect compatibility to Windows, it is imperative to limit primaries-- 4 per hard drive. That is what I have done, BUT I do not recall pressing a button for it. I THINK it was the default. It asks when you install if you want to "limit parimarys". Or if you don't install, it will ask when you try to create primary #5 |
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