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Why not try and get your operating system up and running well before going to
XP. I use XP and it is okay but I would not suggest an upgrade as a way to try and get yourself out of problems because it is likely to cause more problems if you have not remedied the original problems. "Mathers" wrote in message ... : ok, I followed all above steps and I'm back up a running. Boots up as it : should. Now, very few of my apps actually work. I'll open up an app and half : way through, it tells me there are parameters missing and errors. Any idea : why this happened or how to fix it. With as screwed up as things have been, : I'm pondering upgrading to XP. Would you reccomend pulling over info I want : to the 80Gb drive and formmating my old c:\? Will a simple upgrade disk to XP : be as effective and clean? Thanks again for all the help. : : "Gary S. Terhune" wrote: : : If it really is scanning the 20GB drive for a bootable partition, and isn't finding one, then you should try booting to a Startup Floppy disk and running SYS C: : : If that doesn't do it, then you really do have problems, probably hard drive problems. If it then boots but stalls while loading Windows, then Windows needs repair or replacement. : : -- : Gary S. Terhune : MS MVP Shell/User : : "Mathers" wrote in message ... : See, I have gone into the BIOS and set it back up as it should with settings : of SCSI/A:/C: but it still boots into the new c: instead of the SCSI device. : I'm going to try both of your suggestions and see what unfolds. Thanks! : : "Gary S. Terhune" wrote: : : After my signature, below, I've included advice from MVP Glen Ventura ("Glee"). It addresses what is probably your problem. As for getting the new installation off of your 80GB drive, unless you already had Windows and Program Files folders on that drive, you can simply delete those folders, plus a small handful of files in the D:\ root folder. Be sure "Show All Files" is enabled in Folder Options, View tab before you delete things, or you'll miss a lot. : : As for the SCSI drive, unless your system is incredibly old, I still think you should be able to go into BIOS and change the boot order so that the ATA (80GB) drive is not included in the list. Without knowing exactly what your BIOS offers for that list, I can't say precisely, but you need to change that order so that the SCSI drive is at least looked at before the ATA drive when BIOS goes looking for a bootable system. : : Come to think of it... Instead of deleting the Windows and Program Files directories from your old (and presumably repaired) system, you can boot a Windows Startup floppy boot disk to get rid of those directories. Again, this only works if you did not previously have those directories. The command to use is: : : DELTREE {driveletter}:\WINDOWS : DELTREE {driveletter}:\PROGRA~1 : : That should stop the drive from booting, and you can clean up the files in the D:\ root folder once you've repaired the old system. *If* you can't repair the old system (and it would be easiest to do that with the 80GB drive disconnected), then you might consider reinstalling over the top, but I wouldn't recommend that as a log-term solution. It's OK for getting back in long enough to recover personal files, in preparation for a reformat an "clean" install, but installing Windows over an updated system is a serious retrograde--many newer system files will be overwritten with older files. You *could* follow that with a reinstallation of every patch and application, and *maybe* end up with a sane system, but a reformat/clean install followed by fully updating and reinstalling applications will much more successfully ensure a sane system. : : -- : Gary S. Terhune : MS MVP Shell/User : : Here's the advice from Glen: : : Follow the procedures he : Blank Desktop or Illegal Operations Error Message After You Install Internet : Explorer: : http://support.microsoft.com/?id=kb;en-us;249191 : : If those procedures do not help, have a look he : Recovering From a Failed Internet Explorer Upgrade in Windows 98: : http://www.cs.bsu.edu/~gjjones/admin...nd ows98.html : or : http://tinyurl.com/r5ba : : Especially this section at the end: : : "If you still have boot problems after you reboot, you should use the command prompt : to edit the c:\windows\system.ini file. On the command line type edit : c:\windows\system.ini. : : "Once it is open, change the line shell=explorer.exe to shell=progman.exe. What you : are doing here is changing the default shell (that is having problems) from the : Windows Explorer to the old Windows Program Manager shell. : : "Reboot Windows. It should now successfully boot with no errors into an empty : Program Manager shell. Use the File | Run | Browse drop down menu selection to : browse to c:\program files\internet explorer and launch ie5setup.exe or ie6setup.exe : (depending on what is there). Do a custom install and check all the Bold faced : options. When the setup program alerts you that these files are already installed, : tell it to reinstall all of the files. : : "When the Internet Explorer Setup program is done and reboots, hit the F8 key to : bring up a Boot Menu. Choose Command Prompt and boot to the command prompt. Once : there, type edit c:\windows\system.ini and, once it is open, change the line : shell=progman.exe back to shell=explorer.exe. Save and exit the file. You have now : set the shell back to the original value." : -- : Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems : http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm : : : "Mathers" wrote in message ... : I forgot to tell you that the 20bg drive is a scsi drive. What I did was : simply unplug the 80gb IDE drive and rebooted. It boots back to the 20 gb : drive but gets back to my original problem and why I tried reinstalling. Once : the machine goes through the boot sequence and begins to load start up apps, : I get an "explorer error", and the computer goes no further with loading. I : figured I would reinstall to fill into any holes in the system files. Don't : know what caused the explorer error but it has been some time since : restarting my machine. I leave it on constantly and had to reboot after : installing an auto update of IE6 SP1 patch or something like that from : windows auto update service. Any ideas how to fix the error? Any further : suggestions on how to get 98 off the 80gb drive? Thanks for the help and your : patients. : : "Gary S. Terhune" wrote: : : I still want to go back to the question of "Why" you were installing over the top of the original installation. But we can get to that later. : : In BIOS, make sure that the 20 GB is visible and correctly detected. Make sure it is the Primary Master. Then look for the Boot Order item and make sure it reads: : : 1. Floppy (or CDROM) : 2. CDROM (or Floppy) : 3. HDD0 : 4. No other devices. : : You don't want it looking for HDD1 if it can't find a bootable partition on HDD0. : : Try that and tell us what happens. : : -- : Gary S. Terhune : MS MVP Shell/User : : "Mathers" wrote in message ... : Sorry about that. I didn't understand your question before. I have two : seperate drives. No partitions. I was attempting to reinstall over a previous : version. Drive C was a 20 gb for system files, Drive D was 80 gb for files, : docs, music, etc.. I set the 80gb as the primary slave when I installed it a : few months ago. It put the new os on this 80gb drive and now boots from this : drive. I would like it to boot from the 20 gb drive and dump the os off the : 80 gb drive. Does this info explain better? : : "Gary S. Terhune" wrote: : : You still haven't answered all of my questions. For the sake of simplicity, we'll call them Old C and New C. : : 1. Are these "drives" two partitions on the same physical hard drive? Or are they actually two different drives? If they are two different drives, how are they arranged? I assume one is Primary Master. Which one? The other is what, Secondary Master or Primary Slave? : : 2. Are you attempting to install Windows over the top of a previous installation on Old C? Or did you reformat it? : : 3. Why are you reinstalling? What error(s) led you to decide to reinstall? : : -- : Gary S. Terhune : MS MVP Shell/User : : "Mathers" wrote in message ... : Somehow my drive letters were switched and what was the old D: became the new : C: and I didn't know it. When I run FDISK, will I lose any info from the : drive that I am making inactive? Any problems I should be aware of? Thanks! : : "Gary S. Terhune" wrote: : : I'm having difficulty deciphering your message. Windows 98, whichever one you have booted to, is *always* on C:\ drive. In order for your machine to boot to that drive, it must be the Active drive. If you have another Win98 system installed to what is now your D:\ drive, and want that to be the boot drive, you have to use a Windows Startup floppy boot, run FDISK, and make that partition Active. Then when you boot to that Windows, it will be the new C:\ drive. : : Why did you think you had to reinstall Windows? What else is on the current C:\ drive besides the new Windows installation? If there's nothing else, you can reformat that drive. If there was other stuff, and you can fix things to boot to the old system, you can then delete the Windows folder and the Program Files folder (provided you didn't already have a Program Files folder there.) : : Do you actually have two different hard drives, or only two partitions on one drive? : : -- : Gary S. Terhune : MS MVP Shell/User : : "Mathers" wrote in message ... : How can I uninstall win 98se from a second drive. Had to reinstall win98 and : it flip flopped my drive letters and the new os was put on the wrong drive. : Now this is the drive it boots up in. Old c drive is now the new d drive. : What the hell? Just want it back to booting up in the origional config. : Thanks! : : : : : |
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What you contemplate, "pulling over info (you) want to the 80Gb drive =
and formatting (your) old c:\," would be the best thing to do, though = since you have all that free space, to save time I'd probably just copy = over the entire contents, putting it all into a folder named E:\OLDWIN. = You can then peruse the files at your leisure, maybe eventually deleting = the excess next Christmas or whenever. There would be no big rush. Actually, though, I would probably use a repartitioning tool like BootIt = NG to resize the partitions on your 80 GB drive and place a new "C:" = drive at the beginning of that, then put what remains into two or three = (or more) partitions inside an Extended Partition. I would then use the = SCSI drive either for backup (good but not great backup method), or make = it the Page (Swap) file and TEMP drive. Either way, I would want to = restrict the C:\ partition for the new installation to 8GB. That allows = 4KB clusters, which is the optimum organization for Windows 98 system = partitions. If you want to explore these various methods, I think it best if we = begin a new thread in this forum. This one's getting rather long in the = tooth, s. --=20 Gary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User =20 "Mathers" wrote in message = ... ok, I followed all above steps and I'm back up a running. Boots up as = it=20 should. Now, very few of my apps actually work. I'll open up an app = and half=20 way through, it tells me there are parameters missing and errors. Any = idea=20 why this happened or how to fix it. With as screwed up as things have = been,=20 I'm pondering upgrading to XP. Would you reccomend pulling over info I = want=20 to the 80Gb drive and formmating my old c:\? Will a simple upgrade = disk to XP=20 be as effective and clean? Thanks again for all the help. =20 |
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