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lost files I need to find on win install CD why search will not find them?
I am running windows 98se (just installing it and most of my old stuff)
I did a clean install from plain windows 98 to put a creative labs web cam on it. During the cam instalation had a lot of problems. Finally got it to work. But now at boot up it says I am missing vredir.vxd,dfs.vxd & msn32.dll. So I went out on the web and found the solution instructions. It says I should be able to restore useing system file checker. However it says I should find the lost files on my (OEM?) windows 98SE install CD in the win98 folder in the cabs folder. I find no cabs folder on the CD. Also said maybe I'd could restore from the cabs folder on the C drive. Also not present. I turned on show hidden files in folder options and did a find for the files in question on both the CD and c drive without finding them. OK what gives when I did a search of my windows 98 install CD it could not find the files. So I opened all folders manually, what fun! and in net7 and net9 in the win98 found the files. Are these the ones I need? And in a while when I use System File Checker are they going to install as I am told they will. What are my odds of more road blocks? Why did microsoft make it sound like cabs was a single folder I would find in the win98 folder. But more over why would my search in the start menu not find the files on the CD? I did the search with and without the three character dot endings? Also I noticed that when auto starts the installer CD that if I click on browse the cd and find the files I need. Then if I right button click on them it says extract. Is it smart enough to put them back on C drive where they belong or will I get a box asking where to put them. Which is the best way to get them back 1. drag them fron CD to C:\windows\sytem like I could do on an old MAC or copy and paste 2. use the system file checker under accesories 3. use the extract method mesioned above by right clicking What will work without more windows crap happening? Do you people realize how much easier a MAC is to use? |
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lost files I need to find on win install CD why search will not find them?
The files you're looking for are inside CAB files, and those CAB files are
in the WIN98 folder on the CD. You just browse to the WIN98 folder when prompted for the location by SFC, and the procedure will automatically locate the correct CAB file and extract the necessary file(s) from that. Now, as I noted, it is not necessary to point the procedure to the correct CAB file. But as an aside, the way to use FindFiles & Folders to locate files that are inside CAB files is to put *.CAB into the filename, and put the filename you're looking for into the "Containing text" box. Nobody is forcing you to use a PC. If you were happy with a Mac, why did you switch? -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.org/articles/cleanboot.htm http://grystmill.org/articles/security.htm "DJW" wrote in message ps.com... I am running windows 98se (just installing it and most of my old stuff) I did a clean install from plain windows 98 to put a creative labs web cam on it. During the cam instalation had a lot of problems. Finally got it to work. But now at boot up it says I am missing vredir.vxd,dfs.vxd & msn32.dll. So I went out on the web and found the solution instructions. It says I should be able to restore useing system file checker. However it says I should find the lost files on my (OEM?) windows 98SE install CD in the win98 folder in the cabs folder. I find no cabs folder on the CD. Also said maybe I'd could restore from the cabs folder on the C drive. Also not present. I turned on show hidden files in folder options and did a find for the files in question on both the CD and c drive without finding them. OK what gives when I did a search of my windows 98 install CD it could not find the files. So I opened all folders manually, what fun! and in net7 and net9 in the win98 found the files. Are these the ones I need? And in a while when I use System File Checker are they going to install as I am told they will. What are my odds of more road blocks? Why did microsoft make it sound like cabs was a single folder I would find in the win98 folder. But more over why would my search in the start menu not find the files on the CD? I did the search with and without the three character dot endings? Also I noticed that when auto starts the installer CD that if I click on browse the cd and find the files I need. Then if I right button click on them it says extract. Is it smart enough to put them back on C drive where they belong or will I get a box asking where to put them. Which is the best way to get them back 1. drag them fron CD to C:\windows\sytem like I could do on an old MAC or copy and paste 2. use the system file checker under accesories 3. use the extract method mesioned above by right clicking What will work without more windows crap happening? Do you people realize how much easier a MAC is to use? |
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lost files I need to find on win install CD why search will not find them?
Well Gary I did the search of my CD-ROM D drive the way you said to and
tried it in uppper and lower case with no success with and with out case sensitive checked with still no success! Also when I put in while at SFC it found nothing if only a root up to D:\win98 was there! See what Don P. had to say at another group post I did do you agee with his assement? see the url: http://groups.google.com/group/micro...ef1643b6f567/# Gary S. Terhune wrote: The files you're looking for are inside CAB files, and those CAB files are in the WIN98 folder on the CD. You just browse to the WIN98 folder when prompted for the location by SFC, and the procedure will automatically locate the correct CAB file and extract the necessary file(s) from that. Now, as I noted, it is not necessary to point the procedure to the correct CAB file. But as an aside, the way to use FindFiles & Folders to locate files that are inside CAB files is to put *.CAB into the filename, and put the filename you're looking for into the "Containing text" box. Nobody is forcing you to use a PC. If you were happy with a Mac, why did you switch? -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.org/articles/cleanboot.htm http://grystmill.org/articles/security.htm "DJW" wrote in message ps.com... I am running windows 98se (just installing it and most of my old stuff) I did a clean install from plain windows 98 to put a creative labs web cam on it. During the cam instalation had a lot of problems. Finally got it to work. But now at boot up it says I am missing vredir.vxd,dfs.vxd & msn32.dll. So I went out on the web and found the solution instructions. It says I should be able to restore useing system file checker. However it says I should find the lost files on my (OEM?) windows 98SE install CD in the win98 folder in the cabs folder. I find no cabs folder on the CD. Also said maybe I'd could restore from the cabs folder on the C drive. Also not present. I turned on show hidden files in folder options and did a find for the files in question on both the CD and c drive without finding them. OK what gives when I did a search of my windows 98 install CD it could not find the files. So I opened all folders manually, what fun! and in net7 and net9 in the win98 found the files. Are these the ones I need? And in a while when I use System File Checker are they going to install as I am told they will. What are my odds of more road blocks? Why did microsoft make it sound like cabs was a single folder I would find in the win98 folder. But more over why would my search in the start menu not find the files on the CD? I did the search with and without the three character dot endings? Also I noticed that when auto starts the installer CD that if I click on browse the cd and find the files I need. Then if I right button click on them it says extract. Is it smart enough to put them back on C drive where they belong or will I get a box asking where to put them. Which is the best way to get them back 1. drag them fron CD to C:\windows\sytem like I could do on an old MAC or copy and paste 2. use the system file checker under accesories 3. use the extract method mesioned above by right clicking What will work without more windows crap happening? Do you people realize how much easier a MAC is to use? |
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lost files I need to find on win install CD why search will not find them?
I have no argument with Don's advice. Personally, I *always* copy the Win98
folder from the CD to the HD. I do it before I even install Win98, and then install from that folder instead of from the CD. As for using SFC instead of Extract, the main reason for this is that SFC takes note of whether to Register a DLL, and other additional tasks that Extract doesn't do. I don't really understand why you're having so much trouble with this, but I'd have to experiment with a 98 installation to make sure of everything, and I don't have one handy at this moment, nor am I likely to have the time when I get back to the 98 machine, at least not for another week or two. But to repeat, when SFC prompts you for the location of the file(s), you point it at the WIN98 folder, not at the individual CAB files. It automatically searches the entire folder until it finds the file (inside the CAB) until it finds that file. Note that this is known to cause problems with some files, because there are two copies in the folder -- one that's used for installation only, and one that's used during normal operations. Problem is, the one that's used during installation is the first one found by SFC and that's the one it *restores*. I think you have a typo in your original message. MSN32.DLL doesn't show up in any search of Microsoft.com. What *does* show up is MSNP32.DLL. Here's where the files are located: Win98 vredir.vxd is in NET10.CAB dfs.vxd is in NET9.CAB msnp32.dll is in NET7.CAB Win98SE vredir.vxd is in NET9.CAB dfs.vxd is in NET9.CAB msnp32.dll is in NET7.CAB OK, and after all that, this is what I recommend: That you uninstall and then reinstall *all* of your networking stuff from the Network applet in control panel. But before doing that, copy that Win98 folder to your hard drive. You can leave the sub-folders out. All you need are the files. Then, from now on, when you're prompted for the installation CD, point it to that folder instead. One last note. No matter what anyone says, especially Microsoft, CAB files, and ZIP files, etc., are *not* folders. They are compressed archive files. MS has long had an idiot-proof concept of calling such files "Compressed Folders", and in Windows XP (and ME, and 2K, and 98 with Plus! 98 installed) you can treat them as folders if you like -- but they *aren't* folders, and treating them as such only causes the kind of confusion you're running into. Personally, I always install WinZip to deal with compressed archives and ignore the "newfangled" Compressed Folders. It's a stupid idea that unfortunately impresses people who can't manage to understand what a Compressed Archive is, why it's *not* a folder (aka directory). -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.org/articles/cleanboot.htm http://grystmill.org/articles/security.htm "DJW" wrote in message ups.com... Well Gary I did the search of my CD-ROM D drive the way you said to and tried it in uppper and lower case with no success with and with out case sensitive checked with still no success! Also when I put in while at SFC it found nothing if only a root up to D:\win98 was there! See what Don P. had to say at another group post I did do you agee with his assement? see the url: http://groups.google.com/group/micro...ef1643b6f567/# Gary S. Terhune wrote: The files you're looking for are inside CAB files, and those CAB files are in the WIN98 folder on the CD. You just browse to the WIN98 folder when prompted for the location by SFC, and the procedure will automatically locate the correct CAB file and extract the necessary file(s) from that. Now, as I noted, it is not necessary to point the procedure to the correct CAB file. But as an aside, the way to use FindFiles & Folders to locate files that are inside CAB files is to put *.CAB into the filename, and put the filename you're looking for into the "Containing text" box. Nobody is forcing you to use a PC. If you were happy with a Mac, why did you switch? -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.org/articles/cleanboot.htm http://grystmill.org/articles/security.htm "DJW" wrote in message ps.com... I am running windows 98se (just installing it and most of my old stuff) I did a clean install from plain windows 98 to put a creative labs web cam on it. During the cam instalation had a lot of problems. Finally got it to work. But now at boot up it says I am missing vredir.vxd,dfs.vxd & msn32.dll. So I went out on the web and found the solution instructions. It says I should be able to restore useing system file checker. However it says I should find the lost files on my (OEM?) windows 98SE install CD in the win98 folder in the cabs folder. I find no cabs folder on the CD. Also said maybe I'd could restore from the cabs folder on the C drive. Also not present. I turned on show hidden files in folder options and did a find for the files in question on both the CD and c drive without finding them. OK what gives when I did a search of my windows 98 install CD it could not find the files. So I opened all folders manually, what fun! and in net7 and net9 in the win98 found the files. Are these the ones I need? And in a while when I use System File Checker are they going to install as I am told they will. What are my odds of more road blocks? Why did microsoft make it sound like cabs was a single folder I would find in the win98 folder. But more over why would my search in the start menu not find the files on the CD? I did the search with and without the three character dot endings? Also I noticed that when auto starts the installer CD that if I click on browse the cd and find the files I need. Then if I right button click on them it says extract. Is it smart enough to put them back on C drive where they belong or will I get a box asking where to put them. Which is the best way to get them back 1. drag them fron CD to C:\windows\sytem like I could do on an old MAC or copy and paste 2. use the system file checker under accesories 3. use the extract method mesioned above by right clicking What will work without more windows crap happening? Do you people realize how much easier a MAC is to use? |
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lost files I need to find on win install CD why search will not find them?
Thanks for the help but I sumbled over the fact that my CD-RW drive
hooked into my printer port (not the usb) must some how screwed with the internal IDE CD-ROM. When I used SFC telling it to go find the files lost then when the installer 98SE CD was in D drive my internal CD_ROM it said it could not find the flie! So I put the installer CD in E and changed the path to E:\win98 I tried it that way and E drive the external CD-RW let it find and install the lost files to C drive. Any idea why it worked with E not D drive? Gary S. Terhune wrote: I have no argument with Don's advice. Personally, I *always* copy the Win98 folder from the CD to the HD. I do it before I even install Win98, and then install from that folder instead of from the CD. As for using SFC instead of Extract, the main reason for this is that SFC takes note of whether to Register a DLL, and other additional tasks that Extract doesn't do. I don't really understand why you're having so much trouble with this, but I'd have to experiment with a 98 installation to make sure of everything, and I don't have one handy at this moment, nor am I likely to have the time when I get back to the 98 machine, at least not for another week or two. But to repeat, when SFC prompts you for the location of the file(s), you point it at the WIN98 folder, not at the individual CAB files. It automatically searches the entire folder until it finds the file (inside the CAB) until it finds that file. Note that this is known to cause problems with some files, because there are two copies in the folder -- one that's used for installation only, and one that's used during normal operations. Problem is, the one that's used during installation is the first one found by SFC and that's the one it *restores*. I think you have a typo in your original message. MSN32.DLL doesn't show up in any search of Microsoft.com. What *does* show up is MSNP32.DLL. Here's where the files are located: Win98 vredir.vxd is in NET10.CAB dfs.vxd is in NET9.CAB msnp32.dll is in NET7.CAB Win98SE vredir.vxd is in NET9.CAB dfs.vxd is in NET9.CAB msnp32.dll is in NET7.CAB OK, and after all that, this is what I recommend: That you uninstall and then reinstall *all* of your networking stuff from the Network applet in control panel. But before doing that, copy that Win98 folder to your hard drive. You can leave the sub-folders out. All you need are the files. Then, from now on, when you're prompted for the installation CD, point it to that folder instead. One last note. No matter what anyone says, especially Microsoft, CAB files, and ZIP files, etc., are *not* folders. They are compressed archive files. MS has long had an idiot-proof concept of calling such files "Compressed Folders", and in Windows XP (and ME, and 2K, and 98 with Plus! 98 installed) you can treat them as folders if you like -- but they *aren't* folders, and treating them as such only causes the kind of confusion you're running into. Personally, I always install WinZip to deal with compressed archives and ignore the "newfangled" Compressed Folders. It's a stupid idea that unfortunately impresses people who can't manage to understand what a Compressed Archive is, why it's *not* a folder (aka directory). -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.org/articles/cleanboot.htm http://grystmill.org/articles/security.htm "DJW" wrote in message ups.com... Well Gary I did the search of my CD-ROM D drive the way you said to and tried it in uppper and lower case with no success with and with out case sensitive checked with still no success! Also when I put in while at SFC it found nothing if only a root up to D:\win98 was there! See what Don P. had to say at another group post I did do you agee with his assement? see the url: http://groups.google.com/group/micro...ef1643b6f567/# Gary S. Terhune wrote: The files you're looking for are inside CAB files, and those CAB files are in the WIN98 folder on the CD. You just browse to the WIN98 folder when prompted for the location by SFC, and the procedure will automatically locate the correct CAB file and extract the necessary file(s) from that. Now, as I noted, it is not necessary to point the procedure to the correct CAB file. But as an aside, the way to use FindFiles & Folders to locate files that are inside CAB files is to put *.CAB into the filename, and put the filename you're looking for into the "Containing text" box. Nobody is forcing you to use a PC. If you were happy with a Mac, why did you switch? -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.org/articles/cleanboot.htm http://grystmill.org/articles/security.htm "DJW" wrote in message ps.com... I am running windows 98se (just installing it and most of my old stuff) I did a clean install from plain windows 98 to put a creative labs web cam on it. During the cam instalation had a lot of problems. Finally got it to work. But now at boot up it says I am missing vredir.vxd,dfs.vxd & msn32.dll. So I went out on the web and found the solution instructions. It says I should be able to restore useing system file checker. However it says I should find the lost files on my (OEM?) windows 98SE install CD in the win98 folder in the cabs folder. I find no cabs folder on the CD. Also said maybe I'd could restore from the cabs folder on the C drive. Also not present. I turned on show hidden files in folder options and did a find for the files in question on both the CD and c drive without finding them. OK what gives when I did a search of my windows 98 install CD it could not find the files. So I opened all folders manually, what fun! and in net7 and net9 in the win98 found the files. Are these the ones I need? And in a while when I use System File Checker are they going to install as I am told they will. What are my odds of more road blocks? Why did microsoft make it sound like cabs was a single folder I would find in the win98 folder. But more over why would my search in the start menu not find the files on the CD? I did the search with and without the three character dot endings? Also I noticed that when auto starts the installer CD that if I click on browse the cd and find the files I need. Then if I right button click on them it says extract. Is it smart enough to put them back on C drive where they belong or will I get a box asking where to put them. Which is the best way to get them back 1. drag them fron CD to C:\windows\sytem like I could do on an old MAC or copy and paste 2. use the system file checker under accesories 3. use the extract method mesioned above by right clicking What will work without more windows crap happening? Do you people realize how much easier a MAC is to use? |
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lost files I need to find on win install CD why search will not find them?
No idea. Can you put a CD into D:\ and read its contents using Windows
Explorer? With your rather unusual setup, and the other problems you're experiencing, I might suspect a cluttered hardware section in the Registry, specifically the ENUM key. This Key is what is represented in Device Manager. But what you see in Device Manager in Windows Normal Mode are only those devices that actually loaded (or attempted to load but failed -- the ones with a yellow exclamation mark.) If you restart in Safe Mode and look in Device Manager, you see everything that's listed in the ENUM key of the Registry. These entries typically include devices that used to be part of the system but have been removed, but more importantly they often include redundant entries for existing hardware. So please, restart in Safe Mode and look in Device Manager. Take note of any *exact* duplications of entries, write them down (what and how many -- exact names for devices please) and post the list back here for advice. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.org/articles/cleanboot.htm http://grystmill.org/articles/security.htm "DJW" wrote in message ups.com... Thanks for the help but I sumbled over the fact that my CD-RW drive hooked into my printer port (not the usb) must some how screwed with the internal IDE CD-ROM. When I used SFC telling it to go find the files lost then when the installer 98SE CD was in D drive my internal CD_ROM it said it could not find the flie! So I put the installer CD in E and changed the path to E:\win98 I tried it that way and E drive the external CD-RW let it find and install the lost files to C drive. Any idea why it worked with E not D drive? Gary S. Terhune wrote: I have no argument with Don's advice. Personally, I *always* copy the Win98 folder from the CD to the HD. I do it before I even install Win98, and then install from that folder instead of from the CD. As for using SFC instead of Extract, the main reason for this is that SFC takes note of whether to Register a DLL, and other additional tasks that Extract doesn't do. I don't really understand why you're having so much trouble with this, but I'd have to experiment with a 98 installation to make sure of everything, and I don't have one handy at this moment, nor am I likely to have the time when I get back to the 98 machine, at least not for another week or two. But to repeat, when SFC prompts you for the location of the file(s), you point it at the WIN98 folder, not at the individual CAB files. It automatically searches the entire folder until it finds the file (inside the CAB) until it finds that file. Note that this is known to cause problems with some files, because there are two copies in the folder -- one that's used for installation only, and one that's used during normal operations. Problem is, the one that's used during installation is the first one found by SFC and that's the one it *restores*. I think you have a typo in your original message. MSN32.DLL doesn't show up in any search of Microsoft.com. What *does* show up is MSNP32.DLL. Here's where the files are located: Win98 vredir.vxd is in NET10.CAB dfs.vxd is in NET9.CAB msnp32.dll is in NET7.CAB Win98SE vredir.vxd is in NET9.CAB dfs.vxd is in NET9.CAB msnp32.dll is in NET7.CAB OK, and after all that, this is what I recommend: That you uninstall and then reinstall *all* of your networking stuff from the Network applet in control panel. But before doing that, copy that Win98 folder to your hard drive. You can leave the sub-folders out. All you need are the files. Then, from now on, when you're prompted for the installation CD, point it to that folder instead. One last note. No matter what anyone says, especially Microsoft, CAB files, and ZIP files, etc., are *not* folders. They are compressed archive files. MS has long had an idiot-proof concept of calling such files "Compressed Folders", and in Windows XP (and ME, and 2K, and 98 with Plus! 98 installed) you can treat them as folders if you like -- but they *aren't* folders, and treating them as such only causes the kind of confusion you're running into. Personally, I always install WinZip to deal with compressed archives and ignore the "newfangled" Compressed Folders. It's a stupid idea that unfortunately impresses people who can't manage to understand what a Compressed Archive is, why it's *not* a folder (aka directory). -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.org/articles/cleanboot.htm http://grystmill.org/articles/security.htm "DJW" wrote in message ups.com... Well Gary I did the search of my CD-ROM D drive the way you said to and tried it in uppper and lower case with no success with and with out case sensitive checked with still no success! Also when I put in while at SFC it found nothing if only a root up to D:\win98 was there! See what Don P. had to say at another group post I did do you agee with his assement? see the url: http://groups.google.com/group/micro...ef1643b6f567/# Gary S. Terhune wrote: The files you're looking for are inside CAB files, and those CAB files are in the WIN98 folder on the CD. You just browse to the WIN98 folder when prompted for the location by SFC, and the procedure will automatically locate the correct CAB file and extract the necessary file(s) from that. Now, as I noted, it is not necessary to point the procedure to the correct CAB file. But as an aside, the way to use FindFiles & Folders to locate files that are inside CAB files is to put *.CAB into the filename, and put the filename you're looking for into the "Containing text" box. Nobody is forcing you to use a PC. If you were happy with a Mac, why did you switch? -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.org/articles/cleanboot.htm http://grystmill.org/articles/security.htm "DJW" wrote in message ps.com... I am running windows 98se (just installing it and most of my old stuff) I did a clean install from plain windows 98 to put a creative labs web cam on it. During the cam instalation had a lot of problems. Finally got it to work. But now at boot up it says I am missing vredir.vxd,dfs.vxd & msn32.dll. So I went out on the web and found the solution instructions. It says I should be able to restore useing system file checker. However it says I should find the lost files on my (OEM?) windows 98SE install CD in the win98 folder in the cabs folder. I find no cabs folder on the CD. Also said maybe I'd could restore from the cabs folder on the C drive. Also not present. I turned on show hidden files in folder options and did a find for the files in question on both the CD and c drive without finding them. OK what gives when I did a search of my windows 98 install CD it could not find the files. So I opened all folders manually, what fun! and in net7 and net9 in the win98 found the files. Are these the ones I need? And in a while when I use System File Checker are they going to install as I am told they will. What are my odds of more road blocks? Why did microsoft make it sound like cabs was a single folder I would find in the win98 folder. But more over why would my search in the start menu not find the files on the CD? I did the search with and without the three character dot endings? Also I noticed that when auto starts the installer CD that if I click on browse the cd and find the files I need. Then if I right button click on them it says extract. Is it smart enough to put them back on C drive where they belong or will I get a box asking where to put them. Which is the best way to get them back 1. drag them fron CD to C:\windows\sytem like I could do on an old MAC or copy and paste 2. use the system file checker under accesories 3. use the extract method mesioned above by right clicking What will work without more windows crap happening? Do you people realize how much easier a MAC is to use? |
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