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Old December 1st 06, 11:48 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.disks.general
DJW
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Default How can I tell if I have a cable select computer or cable?

How can I tell if I have a cable select computer or cable?
I have a Compaq Presario 5204. The paper manual says if you connect an
additional IDE (hard drives?) to set the jumpers to cable select.
If I understand cable select allows the derive at the end to be the
primary (master and the middle on the ribbon cable the slave. Western
Digital talks about cable select hook up as a cable with a black master
at the end of the cable plug and a mid way plug as being gray. Is that
an absolute specification followed by all cable makers. As far as I
know my computer has never had it's cable changed but both my IDE
connectors are black. And the cable at the end is marked drive 0 and
the middle one drive 1. The cable does have the red strip on the
farthest out wire out for determining the pin it should be connected to
so right to left is not reversed and pins are damaged due to the
missing middle pin?
WD also talks about either using the master and slave jumper or the
cable select jumpers on both drives but not both. Ifs that true for all
made drives? Does it matter that much if both configurations where used
at the same time? Or if either is used not much difference if any in
operation?
Also could a hard drive as in a number three be connected to the cable
middle or end that a CD-ROM is connected? Are second middle cabled
installed CD-ROM drives call master primary and slaves too?

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Old December 2nd 06, 12:38 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.disks.general
Jeff Richards
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Default How can I tell if I have a cable select computer or cable?

The colour coding of the connectors is a guide, but not a guarantee. Same
for the labels 0 and 1. I would guess that the cable is a CS cable. You
could find out by examining how the current drive is configured, but the
instruction in the manual is actually telling you that the system is
configured as CS.

You cannot select both CS and M/S for any one drive. If such a combination
worked at all, I suspect that CS would override M/S. If there are two drives
they must be configured as both CS, or one as master and one as slave. No
other combination is correct.

The process is the same for all IDE devices, although the detail of the
jumpering will be different. This includes hard disk drives, CD-ROM, DVD-ROM
, and CD or DVD recordable/rewriteable.

http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/if/ide/confCS-c.html
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"DJW" wrote in message
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How can I tell if I have a cable select computer or cable?
I have a Compaq Presario 5204. The paper manual says if you connect an
additional IDE (hard drives?) to set the jumpers to cable select.
If I understand cable select allows the derive at the end to be the
primary (master and the middle on the ribbon cable the slave. Western
Digital talks about cable select hook up as a cable with a black master
at the end of the cable plug and a mid way plug as being gray. Is that
an absolute specification followed by all cable makers. As far as I
know my computer has never had it's cable changed but both my IDE
connectors are black. And the cable at the end is marked drive 0 and
the middle one drive 1. The cable does have the red strip on the
farthest out wire out for determining the pin it should be connected to
so right to left is not reversed and pins are damaged due to the
missing middle pin?
WD also talks about either using the master and slave jumper or the
cable select jumpers on both drives but not both. Ifs that true for all
made drives? Does it matter that much if both configurations where used
at the same time? Or if either is used not much difference if any in
operation?
Also could a hard drive as in a number three be connected to the cable
middle or end that a CD-ROM is connected? Are second middle cabled
installed CD-ROM drives call master primary and slaves too?



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Old December 2nd 06, 03:39 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.disks.general
Gary S. Terhune
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Default How can I tell if I have a cable select computer or cable?

Forget Cable Select. Forget it ever existed. Use Master or Slave settings
for your drives. All of them. Much easier all the way around. Then it
doesn't matter which connector you use (though it's still probably best to
put Master on end and Slave in the middle.) I could try and explain the ins
and outs of Cable Select, but I don't think you have the knowledge to use
the explanation. Involves figuring out how many conductors the cable has and
whether the motherboard supports CS. Better to forget it and use
Master/Slave. If you want to learn more, go to www.pcguide.com.

You have two connectors on the motherboard that are called Primary and
Secondary. Thus you have four possible drives -- Primary Master, Primary
Slave, Secondary Master and Secondary Slave. It would be good for you to
practice using those exact terminologies. Always try to put bootable
partitions (where operating systems reside) on the Primary Master drive. Try
not to put a hard drive (HDD) as a Slave where the Master is a CD drive. On
the other hand, you usually want a CDRW (writable CD drive) as Secondary
Master. They often don't work as well when they are a Slave, though if you
put one in as Slave, it should only be with a hard drive as the Master. If
you have three HDDs and one CDRW, try the CDRW as the Secondary Master and a
data-only HDD as the Slave. Run Scandisk on the slave drive's partition(s)
and see if it reports any errors. DO NOT repair any errors it finds. Make
sure it's not set to automatically repair errors. Write down the results,
then switch the drive to being Master and do it again. If the same errors
show up, then it's probably the drive, not its position. If there are no
errors in the drive when it's set to Master but there are errors when it's
set to Slave, then you can't use it as a slave. (When you test the drive as
a slave, make sure you have the CDRW connected as Master and that it's
operational.)

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MS MVP Shell/User
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"DJW" wrote in message
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How can I tell if I have a cable select computer or cable?
I have a Compaq Presario 5204. The paper manual says if you connect an
additional IDE (hard drives?) to set the jumpers to cable select.
If I understand cable select allows the derive at the end to be the
primary (master and the middle on the ribbon cable the slave. Western
Digital talks about cable select hook up as a cable with a black master
at the end of the cable plug and a mid way plug as being gray. Is that
an absolute specification followed by all cable makers. As far as I
know my computer has never had it's cable changed but both my IDE
connectors are black. And the cable at the end is marked drive 0 and
the middle one drive 1. The cable does have the red strip on the
farthest out wire out for determining the pin it should be connected to
so right to left is not reversed and pins are damaged due to the
missing middle pin?
WD also talks about either using the master and slave jumper or the
cable select jumpers on both drives but not both. Ifs that true for all
made drives? Does it matter that much if both configurations where used
at the same time? Or if either is used not much difference if any in
operation?
Also could a hard drive as in a number three be connected to the cable
middle or end that a CD-ROM is connected? Are second middle cabled
installed CD-ROM drives call master primary and slaves too?



 




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