Telling Explr to settle down

In the beginning, Bill created File Manager, and it was
good. Then Bill created Explorer, and it too was good. But
alas, as with every "update/upgrade" the good stuff from the
old is often forsaken, (usually so it can be added back
later and resold as the next "u/u"!). This sadly is the
case of the hyper-active Windows Explorer, for when I open a
file from WE, do something with it, and close/save, this
stupid programs decides the file needs stuck at the bottom
of the folder listing, regardless of the order the folder is
sorted! Why the !#% this programs thinks that is the right
thing to do is beyond me! If the folder was sorted
accending by date then it would make sense, but otherwise it
is completely idiotic!

So, if you happen to know a tweak to WE that will stop this
rediculas action, please post it!

Thanks
gm

wrote:

In the beginning, Bill created File Manager, and it was
good. Then Bill created Explorer, and it too was good. But
alas, as with every "update/upgrade" the good stuff from the
old is often forsaken, (usually so it can be added back
later and resold as the next "u/u"!). This sadly is the
case of the hyper-active Windows Explorer, for when I open a
file from WE, do something with it, and close/save, this
stupid programs decides the file needs stuck at the bottom
of the folder listing, regardless of the order the folder is
sorted! Why the !#% this programs thinks that is the right
thing to do is beyond me! If the folder was sorted
accending by date then it would make sense, but otherwise it
is completely idiotic!

So, if you happen to know a tweak to WE that will stop this
rediculas action, please post it!


New items are always added at the bottom of the list, until the view
is refreshed that is.

To sort the list again right-click on explorer panel and select
"refresh".

Or if you are using the Details view click on the Name column header
to sort again by name. Click again to invert the sort.

Good luck


Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

"The reason computer chips are so small is computers don't eat much."

Ron Martell wrote:

wrote:

In the beginning, Bill created File Manager, and it was
good. Then Bill created Explorer, and it too was good. But
alas, as with every "update/upgrade" the good stuff from the
old is often forsaken, (usually so it can be added back
later and resold as the next "u/u"!). This sadly is the
case of the hyper-active Windows Explorer, for when I open a
file from WE, do something with it, and close/save, this
stupid programs decides the file needs stuck at the bottom
of the folder listing, regardless of the order the folder is
sorted! Why the !#% this programs thinks that is the right
thing to do is beyond me! If the folder was sorted
accending by date then it would make sense, but otherwise it
is completely idiotic!

So, if you happen to know a tweak to WE that will stop this
rediculas action, please post it!


New items are always added at the bottom of the list, until the view
is refreshed that is.

To sort the list again right-click on explorer panel and select
"refresh".

Or if you are using the Details view click on the Name column header
to sort again by name. Click again to invert the sort.

Good luck

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

"The reason computer chips are so small is computers don't eat much."

Thanks for taking the time to respond Ron. However I was not referring
to new items being added, I was referring to the item already being
there, already being sorted, but being shoved to the bottom when
re-saved! I prefer F5 for refresh personally, but the request it to not
need to do this since it is stupid for windows to move the file out of
it's appropriate sorted location in the first place! So I am still
hoping someone will post a hack to stop this ridiculous "feature"!
gm

If it has been changed in any way Win may
see it as a new file and put it at the bottom.
-----Original Message-----
Ron Martell wrote:

wrote:

In the beginning, Bill created File Manager, and it was
good. Then Bill created Explorer, and it too was
good. But
alas, as with every "update/upgrade" the good stuff
from the
old is often forsaken, (usually so it can be added back
later and resold as the next "u/u"!). This sadly is
the
case of the hyper-active Windows Explorer, for when I
open a
file from WE, do something with it, and close/save,
this
stupid programs decides the file needs stuck at the
bottom
of the folder listing, regardless of the order the
folder is
sorted! Why the !#% this programs thinks that is the
right
thing to do is beyond me! If the folder was sorted
accending by date then it would make sense, but
otherwise it
is completely idiotic!

So, if you happen to know a tweak to WE that will stop
this
rediculas action, please post it!


New items are always added at the bottom of the list,
until the view
is refreshed that is.

To sort the list again right-click on explorer panel
and select
"refresh".

Or if you are using the Details view click on the Name
column header
to sort again by name. Click again to invert the sort.

Good luck

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

"The reason computer chips are so small is computers
don't eat much."

Thanks for taking the time to respond Ron. However I was
not referring
to new items being added, I was referring to the item
already being
there, already being sorted, but being shoved to the
bottom when
re-saved! I prefer F5 for refresh personally, but the
request it to not
need to do this since it is stupid for windows to move
the file out of
it's appropriate sorted location in the first place! So
I am still
hoping someone will post a hack to stop this
ridiculous "feature"!
gm


.

wrote:

Thanks for taking the time to respond Ron. However I was not referring
to new items being added, I was referring to the item already being
there, already being sorted, but being shoved to the bottom when
re-saved! I prefer F5 for refresh personally, but the request it to not
need to do this since it is stupid for windows to move the file out of
it's appropriate sorted location in the first place! So I am still
hoping someone will post a hack to stop this ridiculous "feature"!
gm

Another annoying little habit:

If you open a window (where the contents more than fill the window),
and select and open a directory. Then navigate from there back (or up)
to the original window. The directory that you originally selected
(with its highlight) is scrolled up so that it's no longer visible and
you have to scroll it down again to get to it, or a few succeeding
directories. Very annoying if you're searching through directories in
sequence

It's a performance issue. To refresh the listing takes time. If it gets
automatically refresshed after every change it can seriously slow things
down, especially with a large folder and a slow PC. FAT32 has a number of
performance issues like this.

Jeff Richards
MS MVP (DTS)

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Thanks for taking the time to respond Ron. However I was not referring
to new items being added, I was referring to the item already being
there, already being sorted, but being shoved to the bottom when
re-saved! I prefer F5 for refresh personally, but the request it to not
need to do this since it is stupid for windows to move the file out of
it's appropriate sorted location in the first place! So I am still
hoping someone will post a hack to stop this ridiculous "feature"!
gm

Thanks for the input Jeff. That makes sense if it were a choice between
sorting and doing nothing. However, WE is not "doing nothing", it is removing
the file from the list where it was originally, and putting it at the bottom
(presumable by a sort by date default function but that's a guess).

If the goal was indead to maximize performance, then leaving the file where it
was in the list would be the faster performance. The name hasn't changed, why
move it. (It wasn't necessary for FM to move the file!!) I use Windows 2000
at work, and it does the same thing. I am pretty certain the computer there
is using NTFS so it seems like and OS problem not a file system problem to me!

So, still waiting for the expert hacker to post a way to correct this....!!
-gm

Jeff Richards wrote:

It's a performance issue. To refresh the listing takes time. If it gets
automatically refresshed after every change it can seriously slow things
down, especially with a large folder and a slow PC. FAT32 has a number of
performance issues like this.

Jeff Richards
MS MVP (DTS)

wrote in message ...
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Thanks for taking the time to respond Ron. However I was not referring
to new items being added, I was referring to the item already being
there, already being sorted, but being shoved to the bottom when
re-saved! I prefer F5 for refresh personally, but the request it to not
need to do this since it is stupid for windows to move the file out of
it's appropriate sorted location in the first place! So I am still
hoping someone will post a hack to stop this ridiculous "feature"!
gm

wrote in message ...

Thanks for taking the time to respond Ron. However I was not referring
to new items being added, I was referring to the item already being
there, already being sorted, but being shoved to the bottom when
re-saved!

I quite like that. If adding or changing 5 dirs in a location that
has 100 dirs in it already, it's nice that the right pane shows only
the changed ones if the parent dir is not expanded.

Makes it easier to flip between them without wading through the rest.



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That's not how processing items in a list works in W98. If there is any
possibility that any details (even a non-displayed item) in a listed entry
has changed, the item has to be removed from the list and re-added. Adding
an item at the end of a list is trivial - refreshing the list so that it is
sorted properly is major overhead.

Adding the item back into its proper place would involve finding out how the
list is currently sorted and finding the correct sort position, remembering
that the sort item, such as date, might have been changed. It's doable, but
it's not simple.

It is an OS issue, not a file system issue. I am ussuming that FAT32
performance is a reason that the list was not automatically refreshed,
because I have seen how FAT32 performs under heavy load. The issue could
have been overcome by more sophisticated list processing, but they chose not
to - having written list processing routines myself, I understand how
comlicated it can get.

AFAIK thre is no magic switch to turn auto-refresh on, but if someone proves
my wrong I would be happy to add the tweak to my list of useful W9x tips.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (DTS)
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Thanks for the input Jeff. That makes sense if it were a choice between
sorting and doing nothing. However, WE is not "doing nothing", it is
removing
the file from the list where it was originally, and putting it at the
bottom
(presumable by a sort by date default function but that's a guess).

If the goal was indead to maximize performance, then leaving the file
where it
was in the list would be the faster performance. The name hasn't changed,
why
move it. (It wasn't necessary for FM to move the file!!) I use Windows
2000
at work, and it does the same thing. I am pretty certain the computer
there
is using NTFS so it seems like and OS problem not a file system problem to
me!

So, still waiting for the expert hacker to post a way to correct
this....!!
-gm

Good point - the other day I had to apply a simple update to all files in a
folder. As I saved each one after the update the next one popped to the top
of the folder listing automatically!
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (DTS)
"cquirke (MVP Win9x)" wrote in message
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I quite like that. If adding or changing 5 dirs in a location that
has 100 dirs in it already, it's nice that the right pane shows only
the changed ones if the parent dir is not expanded.

Makes it easier to flip between them without wading through the rest.