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Old July 31st 05, 02:06 AM
Gary
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Default New 250 GB hard drive won't let me install Win ME

I purchased a new 250 GB WD hard drive to put in a "new" computer, so I have
no OS installed. I have a Gigabyte MB (7s748) that I believe has ATA 100
onboard and the cpu is an Athlon XP 2600+. The BIOS reads the drive as LBA
250 GB, ATA 100. I am unable to install Win ME (off CD) from DOS using a Win
ME boot disk after getting the hard drive partitioned and formatted. First I
tried using WD's Lifeguard utilities. I set an 8 GB primary and the rest of
the partitions at 30 GB (all FAT 32). When I tried to install Win ME, it
went through the getting ready bar (got to 100%) and then gave me the Message
SU 0013 error and failed. I tried other combinations but got the same result
every time. A Microsoft's ME read me said it could be the result of using
third party software, so I wiped everything and tried FDISK and FORMAT. I
again tried several combinations. Same result, only these times no message
came up, setup just stopped (at the same place). In all cases FDISK has
apparently seen all the partitions, primary (says it is active), secondary
and logical drives (although it says the primary is, for example, 8 GB it
then says the total is 24 GB; while it also tells me the logical are 30 GB
each) and scan disk says everything is OK just before going into set up.
What is going on? I have the upgrade to XP, but that won't work in DOS, so
I have to get ME up and running. Please help me out with some suggestions
(discovered solutions would be even better), I am at my wit's end.
  #2  
Old July 31st 05, 04:27 AM
Mike M
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Win Me like systems prior to XP SP1 does not like large hard disks and
can't access beyond 128GB as they don't support 48 bit LBA addressing
however you should be able to install into an 8GB active primary partition
so am not sure as to the problem.

KB271240 - "Windows Millennium Edition Setup.txt File Contents"
(http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=271240) has this to say about your SU
0013 error:
"Message SU0013
--------------
To set up Windows Me, your startup drive must be an MS-DOS
boot partition. If your startup drive is formatted as HPFS
or NTFS, you must create an MS-DOS boot partition before
running Setup. For more information about creating an
MS-DOS boot partition, see your computer documentation.

You may also receive this error if you have third-party
partitioning software, such as EZ drive or Disk Manager,
installed. If you do, restart your computer and run Setup
from an MS-DOS command prompt. For more information, see
"Installing Windows ME from MS-DOS."

Your XP Upgrade CD.
There is nothing to stop you using this to clean install XP however since
it is an upgrade CD during the installation you will be asked to insert
your Win Me CD to confirm your eligibility to be using an upgrade CD.
--
Mike Maltby



Gary wrote:

I purchased a new 250 GB WD hard drive to put in a "new" computer, so
I have no OS installed. I have a Gigabyte MB (7s748) that I believe
has ATA 100 onboard and the cpu is an Athlon XP 2600+. The BIOS
reads the drive as LBA 250 GB, ATA 100. I am unable to install Win
ME (off CD) from DOS using a Win ME boot disk after getting the hard
drive partitioned and formatted. First I tried using WD's Lifeguard
utilities. I set an 8 GB primary and the rest of the partitions at
30 GB (all FAT 32). When I tried to install Win ME, it went through
the getting ready bar (got to 100%) and then gave me the Message SU
0013 error and failed. I tried other combinations but got the same
result every time. A Microsoft's ME read me said it could be the
result of using third party software, so I wiped everything and tried
FDISK and FORMAT. I again tried several combinations. Same result,
only these times no message came up, setup just stopped (at the same
place). In all cases FDISK has apparently seen all the partitions,
primary (says it is active), secondary and logical drives (although
it says the primary is, for example, 8 GB it then says the total is
24 GB; while it also tells me the logical are 30 GB each) and scan
disk says everything is OK just before going into set up. What is
going on? I have the upgrade to XP, but that won't work in DOS, so
I have to get ME up and running. Please help me out with some
suggestions (discovered solutions would be even better), I am at my
wit's end.


  #3  
Old July 31st 05, 02:38 PM
Jon_Hildrum
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You do not need to install ME prior to installing XP.

The XP CDROM is bootable and it also has all the necessary utilities to
partition and format a drive.

In order to deal with a 250GB harddrive you will need winXP with SP1 or
later. If your winXP upgrade disk has SP1 included then just go ahead. If
not then prepare a partition of 120G or less (partition and format during
install). Leave the remaining space unused at present. Install XP - Install
the latest Service pack (SP2) and then use disk manager in XP to partition
and format the reminder of the drive.

Here is an MS article
http://support.microsoft.com/default...22120121120120

--
Jon Hildrum
DTS MVP

www.hildrum.com
"Gary" wrote in message
...
I purchased a new 250 GB WD hard drive to put in a "new" computer, so I
have
no OS installed. I have a Gigabyte MB (7s748) that I believe has ATA 100
onboard and the cpu is an Athlon XP 2600+. The BIOS reads the drive as
LBA
250 GB, ATA 100. I am unable to install Win ME (off CD) from DOS using a
Win
ME boot disk after getting the hard drive partitioned and formatted.
First I
tried using WD's Lifeguard utilities. I set an 8 GB primary and the rest
of
the partitions at 30 GB (all FAT 32). When I tried to install Win ME, it
went through the getting ready bar (got to 100%) and then gave me the
Message
SU 0013 error and failed. I tried other combinations but got the same
result
every time. A Microsoft's ME read me said it could be the result of using
third party software, so I wiped everything and tried FDISK and FORMAT. I
again tried several combinations. Same result, only these times no
message
came up, setup just stopped (at the same place). In all cases FDISK has
apparently seen all the partitions, primary (says it is active), secondary
and logical drives (although it says the primary is, for example, 8 GB it
then says the total is 24 GB; while it also tells me the logical are 30 GB
each) and scan disk says everything is OK just before going into set up.
What is going on? I have the upgrade to XP, but that won't work in DOS,
so
I have to get ME up and running. Please help me out with some suggestions
(discovered solutions would be even better), I am at my wit's end.



  #4  
Old August 1st 05, 08:18 PM
Gary
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Thanks for responding guys. Here is an update. My XP CD is not bootable or
just won't boot -- it's pretty old (got XP years ago, thought I'd wait for a
better computer and that didn't happen until now). So, I tried the six set
up disks. That failed on disk 3 (couldn't load setupdd.sys code 7). I tried
WD's Lifeguard program again (to no avail), but I did find something at their
site that said their software would follow a procedure (after formatting) to
put my Win ME start up disk contents onto the hard drive (which it didn't do
of course). So, why does it want to do that and is that something I should
try? If yes, how? Also, tried to leave part of the drive untouched and just
go with a primary partition, and ME startup just wouldn't go for that. Also,
why is the total space read by FDISK so far off while the logical drives are
all correct when I try the old fashioned way? Oh, I also tried to go into
the XP i386 folder to run winnt and start set up that way but I was told it
was an invalid directory. For that matter so was docs, all were but
valueadded which it opened up fine. Still in need of major help here.

"Jon_Hildrum" wrote:

You do not need to install ME prior to installing XP.

The XP CDROM is bootable and it also has all the necessary utilities to
partition and format a drive.

In order to deal with a 250GB harddrive you will need winXP with SP1 or
later. If your winXP upgrade disk has SP1 included then just go ahead. If
not then prepare a partition of 120G or less (partition and format during
install). Leave the remaining space unused at present. Install XP - Install
the latest Service pack (SP2) and then use disk manager in XP to partition
and format the reminder of the drive.

Here is an MS article
http://support.microsoft.com/default...22120121120120

--
Jon Hildrum
DTS MVP

www.hildrum.com
"Gary" wrote in message
...
I purchased a new 250 GB WD hard drive to put in a "new" computer, so I
have
no OS installed. I have a Gigabyte MB (7s748) that I believe has ATA 100
onboard and the cpu is an Athlon XP 2600+. The BIOS reads the drive as
LBA
250 GB, ATA 100. I am unable to install Win ME (off CD) from DOS using a
Win
ME boot disk after getting the hard drive partitioned and formatted.
First I
tried using WD's Lifeguard utilities. I set an 8 GB primary and the rest
of
the partitions at 30 GB (all FAT 32). When I tried to install Win ME, it
went through the getting ready bar (got to 100%) and then gave me the
Message
SU 0013 error and failed. I tried other combinations but got the same
result
every time. A Microsoft's ME read me said it could be the result of using
third party software, so I wiped everything and tried FDISK and FORMAT. I
again tried several combinations. Same result, only these times no
message
came up, setup just stopped (at the same place). In all cases FDISK has
apparently seen all the partitions, primary (says it is active), secondary
and logical drives (although it says the primary is, for example, 8 GB it
then says the total is 24 GB; while it also tells me the logical are 30 GB
each) and scan disk says everything is OK just before going into set up.
What is going on? I have the upgrade to XP, but that won't work in DOS,
so
I have to get ME up and running. Please help me out with some suggestions
(discovered solutions would be even better), I am at my wit's end.




  #5  
Old August 1st 05, 08:41 PM
Rick T
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Clean the CD.


Gary wrote:
Thanks for responding guys. Here is an update. My XP CD is not bootable or
just won't boot -- it's pretty old (got XP years ago, thought I'd wait for a
better computer and that didn't happen until now). So, I tried the six set
up disks. That failed on disk 3 (couldn't load setupdd.sys code 7). I tried
WD's Lifeguard program again (to no avail), but I did find something at their
site that said their software would follow a procedure (after formatting) to
put my Win ME start up disk contents onto the hard drive (which it didn't do
of course). So, why does it want to do that and is that something I should
try? If yes, how? Also, tried to leave part of the drive untouched and just
go with a primary partition, and ME startup just wouldn't go for that. Also,
why is the total space read by FDISK so far off while the logical drives are
all correct when I try the old fashioned way? Oh, I also tried to go into
the XP i386 folder to run winnt and start set up that way but I was told it
was an invalid directory. For that matter so was docs, all were but
valueadded which it opened up fine. Still in need of major help here.

"Jon_Hildrum" wrote:


You do not need to install ME prior to installing XP.

The XP CDROM is bootable and it also has all the necessary utilities to
partition and format a drive.

In order to deal with a 250GB harddrive you will need winXP with SP1 or
later. If your winXP upgrade disk has SP1 included then just go ahead. If
not then prepare a partition of 120G or less (partition and format during
install). Leave the remaining space unused at present. Install XP - Install
the latest Service pack (SP2) and then use disk manager in XP to partition
and format the reminder of the drive.

Here is an MS article
http://support.microsoft.com/default...22120121120120

--
Jon Hildrum
DTS MVP

www.hildrum.com
"Gary" wrote in message
...

I purchased a new 250 GB WD hard drive to put in a "new" computer, so I
have
no OS installed. I have a Gigabyte MB (7s748) that I believe has ATA 100
onboard and the cpu is an Athlon XP 2600+. The BIOS reads the drive as
LBA
250 GB, ATA 100. I am unable to install Win ME (off CD) from DOS using a
Win
ME boot disk after getting the hard drive partitioned and formatted.
First I
tried using WD's Lifeguard utilities. I set an 8 GB primary and the rest
of
the partitions at 30 GB (all FAT 32). When I tried to install Win ME, it
went through the getting ready bar (got to 100%) and then gave me the
Message
SU 0013 error and failed. I tried other combinations but got the same
result
every time. A Microsoft's ME read me said it could be the result of using
third party software, so I wiped everything and tried FDISK and FORMAT. I
again tried several combinations. Same result, only these times no
message
came up, setup just stopped (at the same place). In all cases FDISK has
apparently seen all the partitions, primary (says it is active), secondary
and logical drives (although it says the primary is, for example, 8 GB it
then says the total is 24 GB; while it also tells me the logical are 30 GB
each) and scan disk says everything is OK just before going into set up.
What is going on? I have the upgrade to XP, but that won't work in DOS,
so
I have to get ME up and running. Please help me out with some suggestions
(discovered solutions would be even better), I am at my wit's end.




  #6  
Old August 1st 05, 08:49 PM
Mike M
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1) Clean the XP CD, all XP CDs are bootable. Check also that you have
your PC set in the bios to boot from the CD before the hard drive.
2) Remember also that if installing from the original XP media rather than
more recent media with either SP1 or SP2 integrated you will not be able
to access more than 127GB of your hard drive until you install SP1.

Note also that by default XP (and XP SP1) start with the firewall enabled
so don't connect to the internet until you have either installed or
enabled a firewall or are behind a NATed router. Further XP will be by
default set to automatically reboot on error something you may well feel
like changing.
--
Mike Maltby



Gary wrote:

Thanks for responding guys. Here is an update. My XP CD is not
bootable or just won't boot -- it's pretty old (got XP years ago,
thought I'd wait for a better computer and that didn't happen until
now). So, I tried the six set up disks. That failed on disk 3
(couldn't load setupdd.sys code 7). I tried WD's Lifeguard program
again (to no avail), but I did find something at their site that said
their software would follow a procedure (after formatting) to put my
Win ME start up disk contents onto the hard drive (which it didn't do
of course). So, why does it want to do that and is that something I
should try? If yes, how? Also, tried to leave part of the drive
untouched and just go with a primary partition, and ME startup just
wouldn't go for that. Also, why is the total space read by FDISK so
far off while the logical drives are all correct when I try the old
fashioned way? Oh, I also tried to go into the XP i386 folder to run
winnt and start set up that way but I was told it was an invalid
directory. For that matter so was docs, all were but valueadded
which it opened up fine. Still in need of major help here.


  #7  
Old August 1st 05, 09:13 PM
Noel Paton
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Mike - slight, but VERY important typo there.....

Note also that by default XP (and XP SP1) start with the firewall
**DISABLED**


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"Mike M" wrote in message
...
1) Clean the XP CD, all XP CDs are bootable. Check also that you have
your PC set in the bios to boot from the CD before the hard drive.
2) Remember also that if installing from the original XP media rather than
more recent media with either SP1 or SP2 integrated you will not be able
to access more than 127GB of your hard drive until you install SP1.

Note also that by default XP (and XP SP1) start with the firewall enabled
so don't connect to the internet until you have either installed or
enabled a firewall or are behind a NATed router. Further XP will be by
default set to automatically reboot on error something you may well feel
like changing.
--
Mike Maltby



Gary wrote:

Thanks for responding guys. Here is an update. My XP CD is not
bootable or just won't boot -- it's pretty old (got XP years ago,
thought I'd wait for a better computer and that didn't happen until
now). So, I tried the six set up disks. That failed on disk 3
(couldn't load setupdd.sys code 7). I tried WD's Lifeguard program
again (to no avail), but I did find something at their site that said
their software would follow a procedure (after formatting) to put my
Win ME start up disk contents onto the hard drive (which it didn't do
of course). So, why does it want to do that and is that something I
should try? If yes, how? Also, tried to leave part of the drive
untouched and just go with a primary partition, and ME startup just
wouldn't go for that. Also, why is the total space read by FDISK so
far off while the logical drives are all correct when I try the old
fashioned way? Oh, I also tried to go into the XP i386 folder to run
winnt and start set up that way but I was told it was an invalid
directory. For that matter so was docs, all were but valueadded
which it opened up fine. Still in need of major help here.




  #8  
Old August 1st 05, 09:19 PM
Mike M
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Thanks Noel,

Hopefully the OP would have realised that from the rest of the sentence
where I recommended that they do not connect to the net until a firewall
is either installed or enabled but nevertheless all the better for your
pointing out the typo.

Thanks again,
--
Mike


Noel Paton wrote:

Mike - slight, but VERY important typo there.....

Note also that by default XP (and XP SP1) start with the firewall
**DISABLED**


 




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