Burning CD's is a HUGE HASSLE

Also, you should try the windows multimedia newsgroup(s), which are more
appropriate for this.

wrote:
On Nov 27, 8:55 pm, thanatoid wrote:
"Bob Harris" wrote
:

CD burning can be a hassle, or it can be a breeze.

about 180 lines INCLUDING the OP snipped

I myself don't always, and sometimes regret it, but sometimes
you just never know. In this case, you really *should* have at
least looked at the dates.

I am personally rather upset by the fact that I and several
other people (you included) have wasted a GOOD amount of time
replying to Mr. Walker who, by all appearances, has, after
reading the first 2 replies, decided he will forget about the
whole thing and just use his external Iomega unit as a CD
player. Or worse, and frankly, hard to imagine but /possible/,
has just decided he will sulk and not say another word and/or
possibly never ask for "help" again.

I have gotten used to hardly anyone thanking others for advice,
which can be annoying, especially when someone has provided a
long reply - as you all know, they don't exactly write
themselves! - but this takes it to another level.

It has actually made me really wonder about "participating"
(whether I actually "know" anything helpful or not is another
matter, thank you Gary :-)

I OFTEN think about the psychology of the average (is there such
a beast?) "help group" respondent (the average poster, of late
anyway, appears to be an arrogant clueless GG'r who is too lazy
or stupid to do a web search).

t.


I hope I can somewhat reduce your frustrations. I want you to know
that I greatly appreciate the advice you and other respondents provide
in this thread. Thank you all very much.

I am a novice when it comes to CD/DVD recording. I found it hard to
obtain useful information. This thread, which I encountered by chance,
is god sent. It provides a lot of answers to my questions, as well as
the perspective of the experienced, and also differences in opinions.
Great. It is likely to dramatically reduce my learning curve.

I also want to thank you for your reference to www.cdrfaq.org and to
www.goldenhawk.com, which I was not aware of prior to reading this
thread. The former provides plenty of information, and the latter
offers software worth considering against the more common competition.

I hope that you and other respondents can answer those questions of
mine which are still remain unanswered. I would like to be able to
record, on a single CD in one recording run, a number of audio musical
pieces, followed by a number of computer software files. I want the
audio to be playable by a CD player with the ability to select at
random any recorded musical piece. The files should, of course, be
readable by a computer with the respective software. I have just
received an E-mail message from a Nero Support representative telling
me Nero provides such capability under the name CDExtra. My questions:

1) Does Golden Hawk software provide such capability?

2) If CD-R(W) is better for audio recording and CD+R(W) is better for
computer data, which one is better for audio and data on one CD disk?

With many, many thanks in advance

Found it: microsoft.public.win98.multimedia

Also, you should try the windows multimedia newsgroup(s), which are more
appropriate for this.

wrote:
On Nov 27, 8:55 pm, thanatoid wrote:
"Bob Harris" wrote
:

On Nov 29, 8:47 pm, thanatoid wrote:
wrote
oups.com:

SNIP

Thank you, it was very nice to read what you said. I still
wonder about Mr. Walker.

Further down your post you ask: why bother? Here I am asking you the
same question. Why bother, and waste your emotions and energy on
someone who does not have the decency to thank you for your help?

[... snip ...]


MY question is, why bother? CD-R's are less than a quarter. Make
a music CD-R (i.e. with WAV format files) and make another CD-R
with your computer data files, Makes no sense (to me) to mix
them, although it CAN be done.

You would be right if saving money is the only concern. It is not.
There are organizational advantages in keeping interrelated data
together, on a single disk if at all possible. It saves a lot of
headache in the long run.


2) If CD-R(W) is better for audio recording and CD+R(W) is
better for computer data, which one is better for audio and
data on one CD disk?

There ARE no CD-R(W) and CD+R(W).

I used the notation CD-R(W) and CD+R(W) as an abbreviation for CD-R or
CD-RW and CD+R or CD+RW respectively. I guess I was wrong in assuming
that the abbreviation is self explanatory. A number of internet sites
of vendors selling CDs and DVDs put the "+" and the "-" in separate
categories, suggesting that the difference is significant. As a
result, the question which is adequate for a specific application
comes to mind.

[... snip ...]


Regards and thanks again for your kind comments.
t.

You are very welcome; and thanks again for your explanations.

On Nov 29, 11:35 pm, "Bill in Co."
wrote:
Found it: microsoft.public.win98.multimedia



Also, you should try the windows multimedia newsgroup(s), which are more
appropriate for this.



[...snip...]


Thank you very much. As I mention in my first post, I encountered this
thread by chance, and when I found valuable discussions in it I joined
in. I will follow your suggestion to look at the newsgroup you found
for me,
namely, microsoft.public.win98.multimedia .

Thanks again

wrote in

ups.com:

SNIP

MY question is, why bother? CD-R's are less than a
quarter. Make a music CD-R (i.e. with WAV format files)
and make another CD-R with your computer data files, Makes
no sense (to me) to mix them, although it CAN be done.

You would be right if saving money is the only concern. It
is not. There are organizational advantages in keeping
interrelated data together, on a single disk if at all
possible. It saves a lot of headache in the long run.

Well, I said it made no sense to ME. One of the things about
computers that I think a lot of people like is that you can make
them do things YOUR way, and obviously this makes sense to YOU
and that's what matters to YOU, i.e. that's all that matters on
your end.

{Actually, I CAN think of some stuff I would "mix" as well (for
instance biographical txt and image stuff with the music by the
same artist) but so far I just keep all the non-music stuff on
the HD... It's all easily replaceable with the abundance of web
info.}

2) If CD-R(W) is better for audio recording and CD+R(W)
is better for computer data, which one is better for
audio and data on one CD disk?

There ARE no CD-R(W) and CD+R(W).

I used the notation CD-R(W) and CD+R(W) as an abbreviation
for CD-R or CD-RW and CD+R or CD+RW respectively.

There ARE no CD-R or CD-RW and CD+R or CD+RW discs.

There are CD-R's and CD-RW's. Period.

There ARE DVD-R's, DVD+R's, DVD-RW, DVD+RW, DVD-RAM, and
possibly several other formats. I don't know them offhand since
I do not have a DVD burner. Organising/searching through 700 MB
at a time is QUITE enough hassle for me ;-) even with good
cataloguing software.

I guess I
was wrong in assuming that the abbreviation is self
explanatory. A number of internet sites of vendors selling
CDs and DVDs put the "+" and the "-" in separate
categories, suggesting that the difference is significant.

Look carefully. These categories ONLY exist in the DVD sections.
There ARE no + or - CD discs.

As a result, the question which is adequate for a specific
application comes to mind.

Yes, with DVD's ONLY.

Regards
t.

wrote in message
...
On Nov 27, 8:55 pm, thanatoid wrote:
"Bob Harris" wrote
:

CD burning can be a hassle, or it can be a breeze.

about 180 lines INCLUDING the OP snipped

I myself don't always, and sometimes regret it, but sometimes
you just never know. In this case, you really *should* have at
least looked at the dates.

I am personally rather upset by the fact that I and several
other people (you included) have wasted a GOOD amount of time
replying to Mr. Walker who, by all appearances, has, after
reading the first 2 replies, decided he will forget about the
whole thing and just use his external Iomega unit as a CD
player. Or worse, and frankly, hard to imagine but /possible/,
has just decided he will sulk and not say another word and/or
possibly never ask for "help" again.

I have gotten used to hardly anyone thanking others for advice,
which can be annoying, especially when someone has provided a
long reply - as you all know, they don't exactly write
themselves! - but this takes it to another level.

It has actually made me really wonder about "participating"
(whether I actually "know" anything helpful or not is another
matter, thank you Gary :-)

I OFTEN think about the psychology of the average (is there such
a beast?) "help group" respondent (the average poster, of late
anyway, appears to be an arrogant clueless GG'r who is too lazy
or stupid to do a web search).

t.


I hope I can somewhat reduce your frustrations. I want you to know
that I greatly appreciate the advice you and other respondents provide
in this thread. Thank you all very much.

I am a novice when it comes to CD/DVD recording. I found it hard to
obtain useful information. This thread, which I encountered by chance,
is god sent. It provides a lot of answers to my questions, as well as
the perspective of the experienced, and also differences in opinions.
Great. It is likely to dramatically reduce my learning curve.

I also want to thank you for your reference to www.cdrfaq.org and to
www.goldenhawk.com, which I was not aware of prior to reading this
thread. The former provides plenty of information, and the latter
offers software worth considering against the more common competition.

I hope that you and other respondents can answer those questions of
mine which are still remain unanswered. I would like to be able to
record, on a single CD in one recording run, a number of audio musical
pieces, followed by a number of computer software files. I want the
audio to be playable by a CD player with the ability to select at
random any recorded musical piece. The files should, of course, be
readable by a computer with the respective software. I have just
received an E-mail message from a Nero Support representative telling
me Nero provides such capability under the name CDExtra. My questions:

1) Does Golden Hawk software provide such capability?

I believe Golden Hawk does but it's not very straightforward compared to
full featured software such as Nero (as an example). I've found CDRWin fine
for copying cds and creating bin-cue files and I really like you can specify
it to retry read errors for those bad cds but even then I use Nero to burn a
cd with the bin-cue files CDRWin created.

There is no CD+ and CD- format, it's all CD-R or CD-RW (that's a hyphen not
a minus sign).

DVD's comes as DVD+R (& +RW) and DVD-R (& RW, that's a minus sign). DVD
drives vary in which format they can read although newer drives tend to read
(and burn) both. Home theatre stand alone players vary greatly in what
they'll deal with; not only in format they'll read but also what they'll do
with what they find on the disk, e.g. play mp3's, wma's, display jpgs, etc.
etc.

The "W" for both CD and DVD means disk can be erased and reused, it's
re-writable.

You want to create what's called "Mixed Mode" cds, e.g. plays like a music
cd in a music cd player but a pc sees it as a data cd with some "extra
stuff" on it which BTW will not normally be accessable on the pc (the audio
cd tracks).

Yes, you can create the cd "manually" but me thinks using Nero or similar
that does all the nitty gritty for you is better way to go.



2) If CD-R(W) is better for audio recording and CD+R(W) is better for
computer data, which one is better for audio and data on one CD disk?

With many, many thanks in advance

On Nov 30, 7:35 pm, thanatoid wrote:
wrote
ups.com:

[... snip ...]


Look carefully. These categories ONLY exist in the DVD sections.
There ARE no + or - CD discs.

As a result, the question which is adequate for a specific
application comes to mind.

Yes, with DVD's ONLY.

Regards
t.

Yes, you are right. As a novice, I erroneously generalized from the
DVDs to the CDs. Thank you very much for correcting my mistake.

On Dec 1, 7:31 pm, "pjp"
wrote:
wrote in message

... On Nov 27, 8:55 pm, thanatoid wrote:
"Bob Harris" wrote

:


[... snip ...]


I hope that you and other respondents can answer those questions of
mine which are still remain unanswered. I would like to be able to
record, on a single CD in one recording run, a number of audio musical
pieces, followed by a number of computer software files. I want the
audio to be playable by a CD player with the ability to select at
random any recorded musical piece. The files should, of course, be
readable by a computer with the respective software. I have just
received an E-mail message from a Nero Support representative telling
me Nero provides such capability under the name CDExtra. My questions:

1) Does Golden Hawk software provide such capability?

I believe Golden Hawk does but it's not very straightforward compared to
full featured software such as Nero (as an example). I've found CDRWin fine
for copying cds and creating bin-cue files and I really like you can specify
it to retry read errors for those bad cds but even then I use Nero to burn a
cd with the bin-cue files CDRWin created.

Thank you very much for this valuable information.


There is no CD+ and CD- format, it's all CD-R or CD-RW (that's a hyphen not
a minus sign).


Yes, you are right. As a novice, I erroneously generalized from the
DVDs to the CDs. Thank you very much for correcting my mistake.

[... snip ...]


You want to create what's called "Mixed Mode" cds, e.g. plays like a music
cd in a music cd player but a pc sees it as a data cd with some "extra
stuff" on it which BTW will not normally be accessable on the pc (the audio
cd tracks).

With so much confusion in the terminology it is important to set the
concepts straight. The following is a quotation from the E-mail which
I received from Nero's support representative:

"CDExtra is a disc with Audio and Data. The audio will be burnt at
the start of the disc and the data behind the audio. It is possible to
play it on a CD-Player.

"MixedMode-CD is a disc with Data and Audio. It is inverted. The data
first the audio behind the data. It is impossible to play it on a cd-
player."

I do not know whether this terminology is general of specific to Nero.


[... snip ...]

wrote in message
...
On Dec 1, 7:31 pm, "pjp"
wrote:
wrote in message


...
On Nov 27, 8:55 pm, thanatoid wrote:
"Bob Harris" wrote

:


[... snip ...]


I hope that you and other respondents can answer those questions of
mine which are still remain unanswered. I would like to be able to
record, on a single CD in one recording run, a number of audio musical
pieces, followed by a number of computer software files. I want the
audio to be playable by a CD player with the ability to select at
random any recorded musical piece. The files should, of course, be
readable by a computer with the respective software. I have just
received an E-mail message from a Nero Support representative telling
me Nero provides such capability under the name CDExtra. My questions:

1) Does Golden Hawk software provide such capability?

I believe Golden Hawk does but it's not very straightforward compared to
full featured software such as Nero (as an example). I've found CDRWin
fine
for copying cds and creating bin-cue files and I really like you can
specify
it to retry read errors for those bad cds but even then I use Nero to
burn a
cd with the bin-cue files CDRWin created.

Thank you very much for this valuable information.


There is no CD+ and CD- format, it's all CD-R or CD-RW (that's a hyphen
not
a minus sign).


Yes, you are right. As a novice, I erroneously generalized from the
DVDs to the CDs. Thank you very much for correcting my mistake.

[... snip ...]


You want to create what's called "Mixed Mode" cds, e.g. plays like a
music
cd in a music cd player but a pc sees it as a data cd with some "extra
stuff" on it which BTW will not normally be accessable on the pc (the
audio
cd tracks).

With so much confusion in the terminology it is important to set the
concepts straight. The following is a quotation from the E-mail which
I received from Nero's support representative:

"CDExtra is a disc with Audio and Data. The audio will be burnt at
the start of the disc and the data behind the audio. It is possible to
play it on a CD-Player.

"MixedMode-CD is a disc with Data and Audio. It is inverted. The data
first the audio behind the data. It is impossible to play it on a cd-
player."

I do not know whether this terminology is general of specific to Nero.


[... snip ...]


So you have some instructions from Nero support which I'd follow. Just use a
CD-RW for testing, e.g. create disk using one format and try it. If it don't
work, erase disk and try using the other format.

wrote in

oups.com:

On Dec 1, 7:31 pm, "pjp"
wrote:
wrote in message


egroups.com... On Nov 27, 8:55 pm, thanatoid
wrote:
"Bob Harris" wrote

:


[... snip ...]


I hope that you and other respondents can answer those
questions of mine which are still remain unanswered. I
would like to be able to record, on a single CD in one
recording run, a number of audio musical pieces,
followed by a number of computer software files. I want
the audio to be playable by a CD player with the ability
to select at random any recorded musical piece. The
files should, of course, be readable by a computer with
the respective software. I have just received an E-mail
message from a Nero Support representative telling
me Nero provides such capability under the name CDExtra.
My questions:

1) Does Golden Hawk software provide such capability?

I believe Golden Hawk does but it's not very
straightforward compared to full featured software such as
Nero (as an example). I've found CDRWin fine for copying
cds and creating bin-cue files and I really like you can
specify it to retry read errors for those bad cds but even
then I use Nero to burn a cd with the bin-cue files CDRWin
created.

Thank you very much for this valuable information.


There is no CD+ and CD- format, it's all CD-R or CD-RW
(that's a hyphen not a minus sign).


Yes, you are right. As a novice, I erroneously generalized
from the DVDs to the CDs. Thank you very much for
correcting my mistake.

[... snip ...]


You want to create what's called "Mixed Mode" cds, e.g.
plays like a music cd in a music cd player but a pc sees
it as a data cd with some "extra stuff" on it which BTW
will not normally be accessable on the pc (the audio cd
tracks).

With so much confusion in the terminology it is important
to set the concepts straight. The following is a quotation
from the E-mail which I received from Nero's support
representative:

"CDExtra is a disc with Audio and Data. The audio will be
burnt at the start of the disc and the data behind the
audio. It is possible to play it on a CD-Player.

"MixedMode-CD is a disc with Data and Audio. It is
inverted. The data first the audio behind the data. It is
impossible to play it on a cd- player."

I do not know whether this terminology is general of
specific to Nero.


[... snip ...]



DON'T USE NERO. IT IS ILLOGICAL CRAZY BLOATED CONFUSING CRAP.
Read cdrfaq and use goldenhawk.