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"Error loading KERNEL" message
Hopefully this won't get too longwinded, but as a bit of background, I
recently upgraded my hardware and wanted to keep all the software as before. I installed a new M.B. and CPU to go from a 600MHz Pentium 3 unit to a 2.6 GHz Celeron unit. Also I cloned over the multiboot OS's from drive 1 to another HD, since the older one was showing signs of failing. The program used for cloning was Acronis True Image. There were 3 OS's on Drive 1, and they also are now on the newly installed HDD. The heart of the multiboot system is Powerquest's Boot Magic, that has worked wonderfully for years. The 3 OS's are DOS 6.22 (rarely used anymore), Windows 98SE (most heavily used) and Windows 2000 Pro (used somewhat). The problem developed subsequent to several days of allowing the new M.B. and CPU to install all its drivers, etc. Essentially, I cannot boot up (on the NEW Hard Disk 1) into Win98SE in Normal mode - I get an error message that says "Error loading KERNEL. You must reinstall Windows". BUT - much to my annoyance, it WILL boot up fully in SAFE mode. Nothing that I've tried has cleared up this anomaly. I've followed the procedure found on MS's web site which tells me to "extract Kernel32.dll" from my installation CD and copy it to the folder Windows\System\, all to no avail, after multiple efforts. In addition, I've copied it over from the presumed "failing" hard drive, again with no success. I'm about ready to throw in the towel - hopefully, someone can give me an out. Before someone asks, there is NO problem booting up in Win2000 on this drive. Finally, as a further frustating fact, I can still do the multiboot if I swap out the new HD 1 to the old failing one. But I don't trust it lasting much longer. I'm admittedly out of ideas - and if it should be a problem with the MBR, then I don't know how to repair it. Sorry it got this long - and it may not have all the useful info someone might think would lead to a clue. If so, please tell me what to check. Thanks, Olin McDaniel To reply by email, please remove "abcd" from Return address ----------------------------------------------------- "Ignorance is treatable, Stupidity is incurable. Sometimes the difference is hardly distinguishable, however." |
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"Error loading KERNEL" message
Hmm, no responses.. so to help the group to help you;
How about some information related to: What motherboard - make/model. What make and model hard drive, and is it SATA.or PATA, etc.. What is the old drive, make and model, SATA/PATA What had you [both recent and just] installed when the error first occurred [driver,application, etc.] The exact error message. Safe mode runs just base system drivers so likely the issue relates to something that was installed, hence the reason for the above. Kernel errors can be caused by numerous things from: other corrupted files, corrupted registry, to even a corrupted swap file, so we have to back-track through what occurred prior to the issue. Also, what system did you FIRST attempt to use after the change over [98 or 2000]... -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com _________ "Olin K. McDaniel" wrote in message ... | Hopefully this won't get too longwinded, but as a bit of background, I | recently upgraded my hardware and wanted to keep all the software as | before. I installed a new M.B. and CPU to go from a 600MHz Pentium 3 | unit to a 2.6 GHz Celeron unit. Also I cloned over the multiboot | OS's from drive 1 to another HD, since the older one was showing signs | of failing. The program used for cloning was Acronis True Image. | There were 3 OS's on Drive 1, and they also are now on the newly | installed HDD. The heart of the multiboot system is Powerquest's Boot | Magic, that has worked wonderfully for years. The 3 OS's are DOS 6.22 | (rarely used anymore), Windows 98SE (most heavily used) and Windows | 2000 Pro (used somewhat). | | The problem developed subsequent to several days of allowing the new | M.B. and CPU to install all its drivers, etc. | | Essentially, I cannot boot up (on the NEW Hard Disk 1) into Win98SE in | Normal mode - I get an error message that says "Error loading KERNEL. | You must reinstall Windows". BUT - much to my annoyance, it WILL | boot up fully in SAFE mode. Nothing that I've tried has cleared up | this anomaly. I've followed the procedure found on MS's web site | which tells me to "extract Kernel32.dll" from my installation CD and | copy it to the folder Windows\System\, all to no avail, after multiple | efforts. In addition, I've copied it over from the presumed "failing" | hard drive, again with no success. I'm about ready to throw in the | towel - hopefully, someone can give me an out. Before someone asks, | there is NO problem booting up in Win2000 on this drive. | | Finally, as a further frustating fact, I can still do the multiboot if | I swap out the new HD 1 to the old failing one. But I don't trust it | lasting much longer. | | I'm admittedly out of ideas - and if it should be a problem with the | MBR, then I don't know how to repair it. | | Sorry it got this long - and it may not have all the useful info | someone might think would lead to a clue. If so, please tell me what | to check. | | Thanks, Olin McDaniel | | To reply by email, please remove "abcd" from Return address | ----------------------------------------------------- | "Ignorance is treatable, Stupidity is incurable. Sometimes | the difference is hardly distinguishable, however." |
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"Error loading KERNEL" message
When you are going to change major hardware such as the motherboard and processor,
you first need to remove the drivers for everything that is part of that hardware.....chipset drivers, onboard audio and video, onboard LAN, floppy controller, hard drive controllers, and so forth. If you did not do that before changing the hardware, you should do it now from Safe Mode in Win98, as that is the OS giving you trouble. Click StartRun, type: scanregw |click OK| When prompted, say Yes to backing up the Registry. Next, if your old or new motherboard uses onmboard video rather than a dedicated video card, uninstall any display software and drivers, allowing Windows to change your display adapter to Standard VGA 640x480, and reboot if prompted. Then uninstall any audio software and drivers that are not part of the new system. Now restart in Safe Mode, open Device Manager, expand all categories and start removing devices. You pretty much need to remove everything except the keyboard/mouse/monitor, including all the items in the System section of Device Manager as well as in the Other section, the USB Controllers section, all other drives and controllers, display adapters, audio controllers, network adapter. Click OK to close, then start in normal mode. Windows will begin detecting hardware....when it finds the primary IDE controller and wants to reboot, say no and let it find the secondary IDE controller too, then reboot at that prompt. The next restart should find the rest of the current hardware, while the remnants of the old hardware will no longer be present. Be sure to then install the chipset drivers from the disc that came with your new motherboard, reboot, then install the drivers for your display, audio and so forth. An alternative to deleting individual items in Safe Mode Device Manager, is to open the Registry Editor and delete the entire Enum key at this location: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum Then, shutdown, move the hard drive to the new system, and follow the suggestions above. The Safe Mode method is usually safer. -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.net/ http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm "Olin K. McDaniel" wrote in message ... Hopefully this won't get too longwinded, but as a bit of background, I recently upgraded my hardware and wanted to keep all the software as before. I installed a new M.B. and CPU to go from a 600MHz Pentium 3 unit to a 2.6 GHz Celeron unit. Also I cloned over the multiboot OS's from drive 1 to another HD, since the older one was showing signs of failing. The program used for cloning was Acronis True Image. There were 3 OS's on Drive 1, and they also are now on the newly installed HDD. The heart of the multiboot system is Powerquest's Boot Magic, that has worked wonderfully for years. The 3 OS's are DOS 6.22 (rarely used anymore), Windows 98SE (most heavily used) and Windows 2000 Pro (used somewhat). The problem developed subsequent to several days of allowing the new M.B. and CPU to install all its drivers, etc. Essentially, I cannot boot up (on the NEW Hard Disk 1) into Win98SE in Normal mode - I get an error message that says "Error loading KERNEL. You must reinstall Windows". BUT - much to my annoyance, it WILL boot up fully in SAFE mode. Nothing that I've tried has cleared up this anomaly. I've followed the procedure found on MS's web site which tells me to "extract Kernel32.dll" from my installation CD and copy it to the folder Windows\System\, all to no avail, after multiple efforts. In addition, I've copied it over from the presumed "failing" hard drive, again with no success. I'm about ready to throw in the towel - hopefully, someone can give me an out. Before someone asks, there is NO problem booting up in Win2000 on this drive. Finally, as a further frustating fact, I can still do the multiboot if I swap out the new HD 1 to the old failing one. But I don't trust it lasting much longer. I'm admittedly out of ideas - and if it should be a problem with the MBR, then I don't know how to repair it. Sorry it got this long - and it may not have all the useful info someone might think would lead to a clue. If so, please tell me what to check. Thanks, Olin McDaniel To reply by email, please remove "abcd" from Return address ----------------------------------------------------- "Ignorance is treatable, Stupidity is incurable. Sometimes the difference is hardly distinguishable, however." |
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Olin K. McDaniel wrote:
| Hopefully this won't get too longwinded, but as a bit of background, I | recently upgraded my hardware and wanted to keep all the software as | before. I installed a new M.B. and CPU to go from a 600MHz Pentium 3 | unit to a 2.6 GHz Celeron unit. Are you saying that only one machine is involved, & you replaced its MB & CPU? So-- you now have a single machine that is 2.6 GHz? There is this article to consider... http://support.microsoft.com/default...08&Product=w98 Windows protection error in NDIS with a CPU that is faster than 2.1 GHz HOWEVER... I think thankfully it does not apply to you, because you are Win98SE (Second Edition). Also, you do not report that same error. Finally, I believe you may have said the old HDD still will work on the faster machine. | Also I cloned over the multiboot | OS's from drive 1 to another HD, since the older one was showing signs | of failing. The machine had only one HDD? Then, it is called HDD0-- they start counting them at zero. | The program used for cloning was Acronis True Image. | There were 3 OS's on Drive 1, and they also are now on the newly | installed HDD. You cloned HDD0 to a new HDD. Yea, as MEB requested-- describe the two HDD. What are their size & type? | The heart of the multiboot system is Powerquest's Boot | Magic, that has worked wonderfully for years. The 3 OS's are DOS 6.22 | (rarely used anymore), Windows 98SE (most heavily used) and Windows | 2000 Pro (used somewhat). I don't know BootMagic. Does it seem to have been copied over to the new HDD by TrueImage? (I don't know TrueImage, either.) Or do you think you might need to install it separately? Did you copy the 3 partitions over to the new HDD in the same order they are on the old drive? | The problem developed subsequent to several days of allowing the new | M.B. and CPU to install all its drivers, etc. Describe what you did to accomplish that? How do things look in Device Manager in Safe Mode-- any red/yellow ?/!'s on any devices? | Essentially, I cannot boot up (on the NEW Hard Disk 1) into Win98SE in | Normal mode - I get an error message that says "Error loading KERNEL. | You must reinstall Windows". BUT - much to my annoyance, it WILL | boot up fully in SAFE mode. Nothing that I've tried has cleared up | this anomaly. I've followed the procedure found on MS's web site | which tells me to "extract Kernel32.dll" from my installation CD and | copy it to the folder Windows\System\, all to no avail, after multiple | efforts. Yea. I see that article... http://support.microsoft.com/kb/146419 Error Loading Kernel. You Must Reinstall Windows You did it right! Too bad it didn't work! http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...oogle+Se arch Google finds about 138,000 for Error Loading Kernel | In addition, I've copied it over from the presumed "failing" | hard drive, again with no success. I'm about ready to throw in the | towel - hopefully, someone can give me an out. Before someone asks, | there is NO problem booting up in Win2000 on this drive. | | Finally, as a further frustating fact, I can still do the multiboot if | I swap out the new HD 1 to the old failing one. But I don't trust it | lasting much longer. What are you saying-- just that you get a menu from BootMagic? Or can you be saying Win98 will actually boot from the old drive? How did the new drive boot to Win98SE Safe Mode-- through a BootMagic screen? How did it boot to Win2K? | I'm admittedly out of ideas - and if it should be a problem with the | MBR, then I don't know how to repair it. I don't know TrueImage or BootMagic. What does the process of copying a partition to a new hard drive normally entail? Are there extra steps to do in its instructions in order to make the drive bootable? Did you do them? Looks like you do boot to Win98SE Safe Mode & fully to Win2K. SO-- something must be right. As far as BootMagic, what is it like to install it? Maybe try that on the new drive, just in case TrueImage didn't get all of it. | Sorry it got this long - and it may not have all the useful info | someone might think would lead to a clue. If so, please tell me what | to check. Keep at it. I think you are close, if you get to Safe Mode. But how are you getting there? | Thanks, Olin McDaniel You are welcome. | To reply by email, please remove "abcd" from Return address | ----------------------------------------------------- | "Ignorance is treatable, Stupidity is incurable. Sometimes | the difference is hardly distinguishable, however." -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR |
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"Olin K. McDaniel" wrote in message ... | OK, I'll provide what I can, but it will be impossible to remember all | the things you asked, since this has been an ongoing problem for over | 3 weeks. | | First - the exact message was stated in my original post, i.e. "Error | loading KERNEL. You must reinstall Windows". That's it, no more, no | less. Okay, I have had that occur more than once... | | The newly installed motherboard is a Biostar P4M80-M4. I can provide | lots more details if needed here. Not a the moment, this will allow background review of drivers/etc.. OS support - Win98SE/ME/NT4/2K/XP/64 - onsite drivers seem to be 2004/5-7[XP/64] http://www.biostar-usa.com/mbdetails.asp?model=p4m80-m4 - general description ftp://ftp.biostar-usa.com/manuals/P4...80M4manual.pdf - manual Looks like a nice board for 98. Not thrilled with the S3 on-board video though.. but that's just me.. To clarify for the group, BootMagic is/was part of PartionMagic. | | The NEW hard drive is a Seagate 160 GB "Barracuda" ATA HD, 7200 RPM, | which I used approx. 6 months in another computer, and removed it to | install a 500 GB SATA in that unit. This 160 GB was then reformatted | and used as the destination disk for cloning from the failing 160 GB | ATA, 7200 Maxtor drive which is at least 3 years old now. Okay, just to clarify, though you mention a 500gig drive we are NOT talking about it as part of the issues. The two drives at issue are 160 gig. One was apparently failing and relaced by the Seagate. Was that drive 'cut" to the 137 gig barrier or is it full capacity? Was the Maxtor "cut" or was it allowed to remain at full capacity? Also, was the machine the Seagate was pulled from XP or VISTA? These questions are to determine potentials. | | Now, your next 2 questions are not easy ones to answer with any | certainty, since getting this entire system to work in all aspects has | forced me to try many, many things - some of which might have added to | my woes, admittedly. But as said in my original post, the new | motherboard demanded that it go through a complete setup where it | looked for drivers that I never expected. And it required my | inserting the CD provided with it, to get its own drivers. I failed | to keep record of what all this was. HOWEVER, when things got really | screwed up, I actually pulled out the new drive and stuck the old | failing one back in to check it out. The motherboard forced me to go | thru the same setup of looking for drivers that suited it, etc. And | it had a few problems also, but I got lucky and overcame them - all | but one! That one concerns Boot Magic, which does not come up | automatically, BUT if I use the Boot Magic 8.0 Rescue Disk, I can | choose which system to boot under. And then all 3 OS's run just as | they did earlier. SO, the "old failing" drive boots ok in Win 98 as | well as Win 2K and DOS. That's when I tried cloning over from that | old one (ONLY the W98 partition, though) to the new one. I did this | many different ways, and many different selected files from the backup | of the old drive's partition. So far, none of this has solved the | problem with the ERROR message on the New drive, as far as W98 is | concerned. Again, BOTH drives boot up and run fine in Win2K. Okay, two others have provided suggestions, Glen [and PCR] directs to some viable issues [cleaning old drivers] to attempt to start with. Perhaps he will again place the Registry entries suggested at removal when making major changes in the 9X OS due to hardware changes. This will mean re-installing the MB drivers and other AGAIN. PCR caught the issues with the Boot, and I'll add that depending upon how the drive was cloned [what you chose to image], and formatted, the Boot partition [BootMagic] may not be properly setup [clusters/sectors may be off or other]. Manufactures use differring adapter chips and routines, and the BIOS will translate somewhat differently, BootMagic may be having difficulties. Reinstalling/reconfiguring the boot manager, if possible without destroying the data/files, might help; though Scandisk will sometimes correct those issues if not to drastic [you have all OSs/partitions as either Fat16 or 32 correct?]. 2K can better handle cluster/sector issues [self-repair], but that leaves DOS and 98 out in the cold. | | Remember, the above answer is partially related to the New drive, and | partially related to the Old drive. Both currently have a problem, | but the problem with the Old one is easy to live with - stick in the | BM Rescue disk. But that problem with the New one is intolerable, I | cannot use W98 on the New drive. I certainly hope you changed/checked the BIOS when you installed the new drive. If the drives are set to AUTO detect then you can negate that issue, though hopefully you also checked the other settings.as well. | | Now, let me ask a question out of total frustration. Is it possible | the Master Boot Record (MBR) got screwed up on the New one? And if | so, how to check and/or repair? Possible, but let's deal with these other potential fixes first. | | Finally, if I have a complete backup of both Win98 partitions off both | these drives - as they exist now, would it be useful to reformat the | New drive and do a New installation from the original factory CD, then | Restore from one of these backups? Or would I be right back where I | am now? The clean install would be the best recourse, but once you over-install [copying the old over the new], you're right back here again. The issues seem to relate to the drive layout and the registry. Work through the suggestions and Post back with issues or results. | | After all this time, I'm willing to try the above, just groping for | straws if it has a chance of working. | | Olin McDaniel | -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com _________ | "Olin K. McDaniel" wrote in message | . .. | | Hopefully this won't get too longwinded, but as a bit of background, I | | recently upgraded my hardware and wanted to keep all the software as | | before. I installed a new M.B. and CPU to go from a 600MHz Pentium 3 | | unit to a 2.6 GHz Celeron unit. Also I cloned over the multiboot | | OS's from drive 1 to another HD, since the older one was showing signs | | of failing. The program used for cloning was Acronis True Image. | | There were 3 OS's on Drive 1, and they also are now on the newly | | installed HDD. The heart of the multiboot system is Powerquest's Boot | | Magic, that has worked wonderfully for years. The 3 OS's are DOS 6.22 | | (rarely used anymore), Windows 98SE (most heavily used) and Windows | | 2000 Pro (used somewhat). | | | | The problem developed subsequent to several days of allowing the new | | M.B. and CPU to install all its drivers, etc. | | | | Essentially, I cannot boot up (on the NEW Hard Disk 1) into Win98SE in | | Normal mode - I get an error message that says "Error loading KERNEL. | | You must reinstall Windows". BUT - much to my annoyance, it WILL | | boot up fully in SAFE mode. Nothing that I've tried has cleared up | | this anomaly. I've followed the procedure found on MS's web site | | which tells me to "extract Kernel32.dll" from my installation CD and | | copy it to the folder Windows\System\, all to no avail, after multiple | | efforts. In addition, I've copied it over from the presumed "failing" | | hard drive, again with no success. I'm about ready to throw in the | | towel - hopefully, someone can give me an out. Before someone asks, | | there is NO problem booting up in Win2000 on this drive. | | | | Finally, as a further frustating fact, I can still do the multiboot if | | I swap out the new HD 1 to the old failing one. But I don't trust it | | lasting much longer. | | | | I'm admittedly out of ideas - and if it should be a problem with the | | MBR, then I don't know how to repair it. | | | | Sorry it got this long - and it may not have all the useful info | | someone might think would lead to a clue. If so, please tell me what | | to check. | | | | Thanks, Olin McDaniel | | | | To reply by email, please remove "abcd" from Return address | | ----------------------------------------------------- | | "Ignorance is treatable, Stupidity is incurable. Sometimes | | the difference is hardly distinguishable, however." | | | | | To reply by email, please remove "abcd" from Return address | ----------------------------------------------------- | "Ignorance is treatable, Stupidity is incurable. Sometimes | the difference is hardly distinguishable, however." |
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On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 18:43:41 -0500, "PCR" wrote:
Olin K. McDaniel wrote: | Hopefully this won't get too longwinded, but as a bit of background, I | recently upgraded my hardware and wanted to keep all the software as | before. I installed a new M.B. and CPU to go from a 600MHz Pentium 3 | unit to a 2.6 GHz Celeron unit. Are you saying that only one machine is involved, & you replaced its MB & CPU? So-- you now have a single machine that is 2.6 GHz? There is this article to consider... http://support.microsoft.com/default...08&Product=w98 Windows protection error in NDIS with a CPU that is faster than 2.1 GHz HOWEVER... I think thankfully it does not apply to you, because you are Win98SE (Second Edition). Also, you do not report that same error. Finally, I believe you may have said the old HDD still will work on the faster machine. | Also I cloned over the multiboot | OS's from drive 1 to another HD, since the older one was showing signs | of failing. The machine had only one HDD? NO! I thought I said it had a total of 3 hard drives, but maybe not. Regardless, the problem only exists with the boot drive with all 3 OS's on it. Then, it is called HDD0-- they start counting them at zero. Yep, I know about that, in one context. However in the context that's used by Partition Magic, they do not use that system. They number them Drive 1, Drive 2, etc. I've simply become more comfortable with Partition Magic and thus chose their system. | The program used for cloning was Acronis True Image. | There were 3 OS's on Drive 1, and they also are now on the newly | installed HDD. You cloned HDD0 to a new HDD. Yea, as MEB requested-- describe the two HDD. What are their size & type? See my earlier post for answer to this | The heart of the multiboot system is Powerquest's Boot | Magic, that has worked wonderfully for years. The 3 OS's are DOS 6.22 | (rarely used anymore), Windows 98SE (most heavily used) and Windows | 2000 Pro (used somewhat). I don't know BootMagic. Does it seem to have been copied over to the new HDD by TrueImage? (I don't know TrueImage, either.) Or do you think you might need to install it separately? Did you copy the 3 partitions over to the new HDD in the same order they are on the old drive? Let's clarify this. Boot Magic is a subset of PowerQuest's Partition Magic, at least the version I use. Some one else bought them out, and it's now sold under a different Brand, maybe like Syquest (?), I'm not sure. Boot Magic is specific for installing onto one partition/Operating system to allow selection of a current choice of which OS to use. (I believe it only worked when I put it on Win2000). However I do have Partition Magic installed in both W98 and W2K. Further, Partition Magic allows a lot of copying over, etc. but it has its limitations. When I found this new Acronis TrueImage, I found it had managed to overcome those limitations. SO, when I copied all 3 of the hard drives, I did so with Acronis. There are several modes for doing so, some can cause grief - so I was careful to use the Manual mode and tell it to copy everything exactly as it was on the original, and to not "expand" the partitions, even if more space was available. (Then later I could, and did, go back and use Partition Magic to do that expansion as desired/needed. All of this manipulation went without problems, as proven by the success with the other two hard drives which are fully accessible - IF the OS can boot properly!!!! | The problem developed subsequent to several days of allowing the new | M.B. and CPU to install all its drivers, etc. Describe what you did to accomplish that? How do things look in Device Manager in Safe Mode-- any red/yellow ?/!'s on any devices? | Essentially, I cannot boot up (on the NEW Hard Disk 1) into Win98SE in | Normal mode - I get an error message that says "Error loading KERNEL. | You must reinstall Windows". BUT - much to my annoyance, it WILL | boot up fully in SAFE mode. Nothing that I've tried has cleared up | this anomaly. I've followed the procedure found on MS's web site | which tells me to "extract Kernel32.dll" from my installation CD and | copy it to the folder Windows\System\, all to no avail, after multiple | efforts. Yea. I see that article... http://support.microsoft.com/kb/146419 Error Loading Kernel. You Must Reinstall Windows You did it right! Too bad it didn't work! http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...oogle+Se arch Google finds about 138,000 for Error Loading Kernel | In addition, I've copied it over from the presumed "failing" | hard drive, again with no success. I'm about ready to throw in the | towel - hopefully, someone can give me an out. Before someone asks, | there is NO problem booting up in Win2000 on this drive. | | Finally, as a further frustating fact, I can still do the multiboot if | I swap out the new HD 1 to the old failing one. But I don't trust it | lasting much longer. What are you saying-- just that you get a menu from BootMagic? Or can you be saying Win98 will actually boot from the old drive? How did the new drive boot to Win98SE Safe Mode-- through a BootMagic screen? How did it boot to Win2K? Let's elaborate a little bit here, if you insist. With the New drive in #1 (or call it #0 if you wish), I get the correct menu after going thru the POST steps. This menu is that provided by Boot Magic. It gives me 3 choices from which to Boot. DOS, W98 and W2000. I have set it up for W98 as the Default, but that's simple to change. Also I can Disable Boot Magic very simply, if desired. (Remember, all this is on drive #1 and presumably exists on both the Old and the New drives, but it only works FULLY on the New.) If I then choose W98 to boot, that's when it gives the Error message, and insists on restarting in Safe mode. Again, to restate, the Old drive does not give me this menu choice, but I think that's readily fixable. I've chosen not to screw with it yet, rather just use the BM rescue disk to make my choice, and then I can boot successfully on either of the OS's. SO - my Main effort is in trying to fix the New drive in the #1 spot. Any other effort ahead of that is a waste of time and probably counterproductive. | I'm admittedly out of ideas - and if it should be a problem with the | MBR, then I don't know how to repair it. I don't know TrueImage or BootMagic. What does the process of copying a partition to a new hard drive normally entail? Are there extra steps to do in its instructions in order to make the drive bootable? Did you do them? Looks like you do boot to Win98SE Safe Mode & fully to Win2K. SO-- something must be right. As far as BootMagic, what is it like to install it? Maybe try that on the new drive, just in case TrueImage didn't get all of it. Hopefully the above 2 answers covers most of these questions also. Although I've never successfully used GHOST, my understanding is that True Image does much the same thing, and even more simply and with less complications. I assure you that careful reading of its instructions at each step of the way SHOULD allow most people to do it without messing up. The fact that I successfully cloned over the other 2 hard drives with it, should attest to the fact that I followed their instructions correctly. | Sorry it got this long - and it may not have all the useful info | someone might think would lead to a clue. If so, please tell me what | to check. Keep at it. I think you are close, if you get to Safe Mode. But how are you getting there? Should be adequately answered above. | Thanks, Olin McDaniel You are welcome. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR Olin McDaniel To reply by email, please remove "abcd" from Return address ----------------------------------------------------- "Ignorance is treatable, Stupidity is incurable. Sometimes the difference is hardly distinguishable, however." |
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On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 17:43:32 -0500, "glee"
wrote: When you are going to change major hardware such as the motherboard and processor, you first need to remove the drivers for everything that is part of that hardware.....chipset drivers, onboard audio and video, onboard LAN, floppy controller, hard drive controllers, and so forth. If you did not do that before changing the hardware, you should do it now from Safe Mode in Win98, as that is the OS giving you trouble. Click StartRun, type: scanregw |click OK| When prompted, say Yes to backing up the Registry. Next, if your old or new motherboard uses onmboard video rather than a dedicated video card, uninstall any display software and drivers, allowing Windows to change your display adapter to Standard VGA 640x480, and reboot if prompted. Then uninstall any audio software and drivers that are not part of the new system. Now restart in Safe Mode, open Device Manager, expand all categories and start removing devices. You pretty much need to remove everything except the keyboard/mouse/monitor, including all the items in the System section of Device Manager as well as in the Other section, the USB Controllers section, all other drives and controllers, display adapters, audio controllers, network adapter. Click OK to close, then start in normal mode. Windows will begin detecting hardware....when it finds the primary IDE controller and wants to reboot, say no and let it find the secondary IDE controller too, then reboot at that prompt. The next restart should find the rest of the current hardware, while the remnants of the old hardware will no longer be present. Be sure to then install the chipset drivers from the disc that came with your new motherboard, reboot, then install the drivers for your display, audio and so forth. An alternative to deleting individual items in Safe Mode Device Manager, is to open the Registry Editor and delete the entire Enum key at this location: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum Then, shutdown, move the hard drive to the new system, and follow the suggestions above. The Safe Mode method is usually safer. -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.net/ http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm Thanks Glen. But as I read your suggestions, I have to wonder how they apply to what I posted. The replacement of the motherboard and CPU was done weeks before the problem I was trying to fix ever showed its head. SO, maybe I didn't do the "replacement" or "upgrade" properly, it's nice to know how to do it the next time (assuming there will be a next time), but that doesn't fix the current problem. Does it? Olin "Olin K. McDaniel" wrote in message . .. Hopefully this won't get too longwinded, but as a bit of background, I recently upgraded my hardware and wanted to keep all the software as before. I installed a new M.B. and CPU to go from a 600MHz Pentium 3 unit to a 2.6 GHz Celeron unit. Also I cloned over the multiboot OS's from drive 1 to another HD, since the older one was showing signs of failing. The program used for cloning was Acronis True Image. There were 3 OS's on Drive 1, and they also are now on the newly installed HDD. The heart of the multiboot system is Powerquest's Boot Magic, that has worked wonderfully for years. The 3 OS's are DOS 6.22 (rarely used anymore), Windows 98SE (most heavily used) and Windows 2000 Pro (used somewhat). The problem developed subsequent to several days of allowing the new M.B. and CPU to install all its drivers, etc. Essentially, I cannot boot up (on the NEW Hard Disk 1) into Win98SE in Normal mode - I get an error message that says "Error loading KERNEL. You must reinstall Windows". BUT - much to my annoyance, it WILL boot up fully in SAFE mode. Nothing that I've tried has cleared up this anomaly. I've followed the procedure found on MS's web site which tells me to "extract Kernel32.dll" from my installation CD and copy it to the folder Windows\System\, all to no avail, after multiple efforts. In addition, I've copied it over from the presumed "failing" hard drive, again with no success. I'm about ready to throw in the towel - hopefully, someone can give me an out. Before someone asks, there is NO problem booting up in Win2000 on this drive. Finally, as a further frustating fact, I can still do the multiboot if I swap out the new HD 1 to the old failing one. But I don't trust it lasting much longer. I'm admittedly out of ideas - and if it should be a problem with the MBR, then I don't know how to repair it. Sorry it got this long - and it may not have all the useful info someone might think would lead to a clue. If so, please tell me what to check. Thanks, Olin McDaniel To reply by email, please remove "abcd" from Return address ----------------------------------------------------- "Ignorance is treatable, Stupidity is incurable. Sometimes the difference is hardly distinguishable, however." To reply by email, please remove "abcd" from Return address ----------------------------------------------------- "Ignorance is treatable, Stupidity is incurable. Sometimes the difference is hardly distinguishable, however." |
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"Error loading KERNEL" message
On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 03:39:49 -0500, "MEB" meb@not
wrote: "Olin K. McDaniel" wrote in message .. . | OK, I'll provide what I can, but it will be impossible to remember all | the things you asked, since this has been an ongoing problem for over | 3 weeks. | | First - the exact message was stated in my original post, i.e. "Error | loading KERNEL. You must reinstall Windows". That's it, no more, no | less. Okay, I have had that occur more than once... | | The newly installed motherboard is a Biostar P4M80-M4. I can provide | lots more details if needed here. Not a the moment, this will allow background review of drivers/etc.. OS support - Win98SE/ME/NT4/2K/XP/64 - onsite drivers seem to be 2004/5-7[XP/64] http://www.biostar-usa.com/mbdetails.asp?model=p4m80-m4 - general description ftp://ftp.biostar-usa.com/manuals/P4...80M4manual.pdf - manual Looks like a nice board for 98. Not thrilled with the S3 on-board video though.. but that's just me.. I do not currently use the on-board video nor the sound. I do use the on-board LAN for DSL though, as opposed to a PCI card before upgrading motherboards. To clarify for the group, BootMagic is/was part of PartionMagic. | | The NEW hard drive is a Seagate 160 GB "Barracuda" ATA HD, 7200 RPM, | which I used approx. 6 months in another computer, and removed it to | install a 500 GB SATA in that unit. This 160 GB was then reformatted | and used as the destination disk for cloning from the failing 160 GB | ATA, 7200 Maxtor drive which is at least 3 years old now. Okay, just to clarify, though you mention a 500gig drive we are NOT talking about it as part of the issues. That is correct. The 500 GB SATA drive was installed in another computer that I use for different purposes. The two drives at issue are 160 gig. One was apparently failing and relaced by the Seagate. Was that drive 'cut" to the 137 gig barrier or is it full capacity? Let's go back thru how things had to be done. First of all, the old motherboard DID have the 137 GB limit, so - the "old" 160 GB drive (which was the Maxtor, incidentally) was limited by the motherboard's 137 limit. Then after upgrading the motherboard, that Maxtor drive was still unexpanded, even though I could have. That's when I used Acronis True Image to clone that drive, plus the other 2 drives. I cloned that Maxtor "EXACTLY" as it existed to the new Seagate - all this being done under Windows 2000 since that's where I installed Acronis. Next, I swapped the 160 GB drives, and at some point (no longer am able to remember exactly when) I used Partition Magic to expand the top partition of the drive containing Win2000 (but the NEW DRIVE ONLY) to fill up the Unallocated space. All this may or may not be important, but at the present time, the "Old" drive is still unexpanded, and the "New" drive is expanded. That's exactly why I keep asking if that expansion is what screwed up the "New" drive, by messing up the MBR or something else. So far, no one has answered that question for me. Was the Maxtor "cut" or was it allowed to remain at full capacity? See above answers. Also, was the machine the Seagate was pulled from XP or VISTA? NEGATIVE! I refuse to use either of those. It was pulled from a machine using Windows 2000 Professional. These questions are to determine potentials. Hope my answers suffice. | | Now, your next 2 questions are not easy ones to answer with any | certainty, since getting this entire system to work in all aspects has | forced me to try many, many things - some of which might have added to | my woes, admittedly. But as said in my original post, the new | motherboard demanded that it go through a complete setup where it | looked for drivers that I never expected. And it required my | inserting the CD provided with it, to get its own drivers. I failed | to keep record of what all this was. HOWEVER, when things got really | screwed up, I actually pulled out the new drive and stuck the old | failing one back in to check it out. The motherboard forced me to go | thru the same setup of looking for drivers that suited it, etc. And | it had a few problems also, but I got lucky and overcame them - all | but one! That one concerns Boot Magic, which does not come up | automatically, BUT if I use the Boot Magic 8.0 Rescue Disk, I can | choose which system to boot under. And then all 3 OS's run just as | they did earlier. SO, the "old failing" drive boots ok in Win 98 as | well as Win 2K and DOS. That's when I tried cloning over from that | old one (ONLY the W98 partition, though) to the new one. I did this | many different ways, and many different selected files from the backup | of the old drive's partition. So far, none of this has solved the | problem with the ERROR message on the New drive, as far as W98 is | concerned. Again, BOTH drives boot up and run fine in Win2K. Okay, two others have provided suggestions, Glen [and PCR] directs to some viable issues [cleaning old drivers] to attempt to start with. Perhaps he will again place the Registry entries suggested at removal when making major changes in the 9X OS due to hardware changes. This will mean re-installing the MB drivers and other AGAIN. PCR caught the issues with the Boot, and I'll add that depending upon how the drive was cloned [what you chose to image], and formatted, the Boot partition [BootMagic] may not be properly setup [clusters/sectors may be off or other]. Manufactures use differring adapter chips and routines, and the BIOS will translate somewhat differently, BootMagic may be having difficulties. Reinstalling/reconfiguring the boot manager, if possible without destroying the data/files, might help; though Scandisk will sometimes correct those issues if not to drastic [you have all OSs/partitions as either Fat16 or 32 correct?]. 2K can better handle cluster/sector issues [self-repair], but that leaves DOS and 98 out in the cold. | | Remember, the above answer is partially related to the New drive, and | partially related to the Old drive. Both currently have a problem, | but the problem with the Old one is easy to live with - stick in the | BM Rescue disk. But that problem with the New one is intolerable, I | cannot use W98 on the New drive. I certainly hope you changed/checked the BIOS when you installed the new drive. If the drives are set to AUTO detect then you can negate that issue, though hopefully you also checked the other settings.as well. | | Now, let me ask a question out of total frustration. Is it possible | the Master Boot Record (MBR) got screwed up on the New one? And if | so, how to check and/or repair? Possible, but let's deal with these other potential fixes first. | | Finally, if I have a complete backup of both Win98 partitions off both | these drives - as they exist now, would it be useful to reformat the | New drive and do a New installation from the original factory CD, then | Restore from one of these backups? Or would I be right back where I | am now? The clean install would be the best recourse, but once you over-install [copying the old over the new], you're right back here again. The issues seem to relate to the drive layout and the registry. Work through the suggestions and Post back with issues or results. | | After all this time, I'm willing to try the above, just groping for | straws if it has a chance of working. | | Olin McDaniel | -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com _________ | "Olin K. McDaniel" wrote in message | . .. | | Hopefully this won't get too longwinded, but as a bit of background, I | | recently upgraded my hardware and wanted to keep all the software as | | before. I installed a new M.B. and CPU to go from a 600MHz Pentium 3 | | unit to a 2.6 GHz Celeron unit. Also I cloned over the multiboot | | OS's from drive 1 to another HD, since the older one was showing signs | | of failing. The program used for cloning was Acronis True Image. | | There were 3 OS's on Drive 1, and they also are now on the newly | | installed HDD. The heart of the multiboot system is Powerquest's Boot | | Magic, that has worked wonderfully for years. The 3 OS's are DOS 6.22 | | (rarely used anymore), Windows 98SE (most heavily used) and Windows | | 2000 Pro (used somewhat). | | | | The problem developed subsequent to several days of allowing the new | | M.B. and CPU to install all its drivers, etc. | | | | Essentially, I cannot boot up (on the NEW Hard Disk 1) into Win98SE in | | Normal mode - I get an error message that says "Error loading KERNEL. | | You must reinstall Windows". BUT - much to my annoyance, it WILL | | boot up fully in SAFE mode. Nothing that I've tried has cleared up | | this anomaly. I've followed the procedure found on MS's web site | | which tells me to "extract Kernel32.dll" from my installation CD and | | copy it to the folder Windows\System\, all to no avail, after multiple | | efforts. In addition, I've copied it over from the presumed "failing" | | hard drive, again with no success. I'm about ready to throw in the | | towel - hopefully, someone can give me an out. Before someone asks, | | there is NO problem booting up in Win2000 on this drive. | | | | Finally, as a further frustating fact, I can still do the multiboot if | | I swap out the new HD 1 to the old failing one. But I don't trust it | | lasting much longer. | | | | I'm admittedly out of ideas - and if it should be a problem with the | | MBR, then I don't know how to repair it. | | | | Sorry it got this long - and it may not have all the useful info | | someone might think would lead to a clue. If so, please tell me what | | to check. | | | | Thanks, Olin McDaniel | | To reply by email, please remove "abcd" from Return address ----------------------------------------------------- "Ignorance is treatable, Stupidity is incurable. Sometimes the difference is hardly distinguishable, however." |
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"Olin K. McDaniel" wrote in message
... On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 17:43:32 -0500, "glee" wrote: When you are going to change major hardware such as the motherboard and processor, you first need to remove the drivers for everything that is part of that hardware.....chipset drivers, onboard audio and video, onboard LAN, floppy controller, hard drive controllers, and so forth. If you did not do that before changing the hardware, you should do it now from Safe Mode in Win98, as that is the OS giving you trouble. Click StartRun, type: scanregw |click OK| When prompted, say Yes to backing up the Registry. Next, if your old or new motherboard uses onmboard video rather than a dedicated video card, uninstall any display software and drivers, allowing Windows to change your display adapter to Standard VGA 640x480, and reboot if prompted. Then uninstall any audio software and drivers that are not part of the new system. Now restart in Safe Mode, open Device Manager, expand all categories and start removing devices. You pretty much need to remove everything except the keyboard/mouse/monitor, including all the items in the System section of Device Manager as well as in the Other section, the USB Controllers section, all other drives and controllers, display adapters, audio controllers, network adapter. Click OK to close, then start in normal mode. Windows will begin detecting hardware....when it finds the primary IDE controller and wants to reboot, say no and let it find the secondary IDE controller too, then reboot at that prompt. The next restart should find the rest of the current hardware, while the remnants of the old hardware will no longer be present. Be sure to then install the chipset drivers from the disc that came with your new motherboard, reboot, then install the drivers for your display, audio and so forth. An alternative to deleting individual items in Safe Mode Device Manager, is to open the Registry Editor and delete the entire Enum key at this location: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum Then, shutdown, move the hard drive to the new system, and follow the suggestions above. The Safe Mode method is usually safer. Thanks Glen. But as I read your suggestions, I have to wonder how they apply to what I posted. The replacement of the motherboard and CPU was done weeks before the problem I was trying to fix ever showed its head. SO, maybe I didn't do the "replacement" or "upgrade" properly, it's nice to know how to do it the next time (assuming there will be a next time), but that doesn't fix the current problem. Does it? Olin Apparently you missed this sentence in my original reply: "If you did not do that before changing the hardware, you should do it now from Safe Mode in Win98, as that is the OS giving you trouble." I am describing what needs to be tried NOW. -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.net/ http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm |
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