Windows 98 in a modern world

In message , Dan
writes:
This is sort of a question and comment because I was wondering how users
could still keep up to date as much as possible with a Windows 98 machine in
a modern computing environment.

Depends what you mean by "keep up to date". There's a lot of the
internet (for example) you can still _use_ with '98 - I'd say still more
than half of it, though the proportion will decline _slowly_ as
designers use features that '98-compatible browsers (and their
associated things like viewers and players) can't handle.

1. The Opera Browser is still supporting Windows 98
2. Java 5 is still being updated through October 30, 2009
3. Windows 98 is no longer being updated as of July 11, 2006

What other software components are important and still being updated for
Windows 98. The interest to me is that people like to run legacy software

Not sure what you mean by "components". If parts of the operating system
itself, then none. If you mean softwares, then there are a lot that are
still being updated in a way that continues to work under '98; that
doesn't mean the developers are actually updating it _for_ '98, only
that they haven't yet used anything that doesn't work under it. A few
that I know of: IrfanView (image viewer and editor, though now does a
lot more, such as audio and video playing); Brother's Keeper (genealogy
- a non-game application for which older machines are ideal); I _think_
GoldWave (sound processing); and many more.

(like games) on Windows 98 that may not run on Windows XP without an emulator
like Dosbox and then the software may still not run as well as it originally
did on Windows 98.
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has made them rise above the guys who criticize!" (W9BRD, former editor of
"How's DX?" column in "QST")

In message , Dan
writes:
This is sort of a question and comment because I was wondering how users
could still keep up to date as much as possible with a Windows 98 machine in
a modern computing environment.

Depends what you mean by "keep up to date". There's a lot of the
internet (for example) you can still _use_ with '98 - I'd say still more
than half of it, though the proportion will decline _slowly_ as
designers use features that '98-compatible browsers (and their
associated things like viewers and players) can't handle.

1. The Opera Browser is still supporting Windows 98
2. Java 5 is still being updated through October 30, 2009
3. Windows 98 is no longer being updated as of July 11, 2006

What other software components are important and still being updated for
Windows 98. The interest to me is that people like to run legacy software

Not sure what you mean by "components". If parts of the operating system
itself, then none. If you mean softwares, then there are a lot that are
still being updated in a way that continues to work under '98; that
doesn't mean the developers are actually updating it _for_ '98, only
that they haven't yet used anything that doesn't work under it. A few
that I know of: IrfanView (image viewer and editor, though now does a
lot more, such as audio and video playing); Brother's Keeper (genealogy
- a non-game application for which older machines are ideal); I _think_
GoldWave (sound processing); and many more.

(like games) on Windows 98 that may not run on Windows XP without an emulator
like Dosbox and then the software may still not run as well as it originally
did on Windows 98.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

"I hate the guys that criticize the enterprise of other guys whose enterprise
has made them rise above the guys who criticize!" (W9BRD, former editor of
"How's DX?" column in "QST")

I was referring to software and I appreciate your feedback as well, John.

I was referring to software and I appreciate your feedback as well, John.

In message , Dan
writes:
I was referring to software and I appreciate your feedback as well, John.

You're welcome.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

"I hate the guys that criticize the enterprise of other guys whose enterprise
has made them rise above the guys who criticize!" (W9BRD, former editor of
"How's DX?" column in "QST")

In message , Dan
writes:
I was referring to software and I appreciate your feedback as well, John.

You're welcome.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

"I hate the guys that criticize the enterprise of other guys whose enterprise
has made them rise above the guys who criticize!" (W9BRD, former editor of
"How's DX?" column in "QST")

Dan wrote:
This is sort of a question and comment because I was wondering how users
could still keep up to date as much as possible with a Windows 98 machine in
a modern computing environment.

1. The Opera Browser is still supporting Windows 98
2. Java 5 is still being updated through October 30, 2009
3. Windows 98 is no longer being updated as of July 11, 2006

What other software components are important and still being updated for
Windows 98. The interest to me is that people like to run legacy software
(like games) on Windows 98 that may not run on Windows XP without an emulator
like Dosbox and then the software may still not run as well as it originally
did on Windows 98.

I keep a couple of 98 machines running for older games, mostly Quake and
our perennial fav, Redneck Rampage, which is a bear to run on NT based
systems. We don't have these units connected to the internet very often,
so AV and browser issues don't really come up.

Dan wrote:
This is sort of a question and comment because I was wondering how users
could still keep up to date as much as possible with a Windows 98 machine in
a modern computing environment.

1. The Opera Browser is still supporting Windows 98
2. Java 5 is still being updated through October 30, 2009
3. Windows 98 is no longer being updated as of July 11, 2006

What other software components are important and still being updated for
Windows 98. The interest to me is that people like to run legacy software
(like games) on Windows 98 that may not run on Windows XP without an emulator
like Dosbox and then the software may still not run as well as it originally
did on Windows 98.

I keep a couple of 98 machines running for older games, mostly Quake and
our perennial fav, Redneck Rampage, which is a bear to run on NT based
systems. We don't have these units connected to the internet very often,
so AV and browser issues don't really come up.

=?Utf-8?B?RGFu?= wrote in
:

This is sort of a question and comment because I was
wondering how users could still keep up to date as much as
possible with a Windows 98 machine in a modern computing
environment.

1. The Opera Browser is still supporting Windows 98

www.OffByOne.com

Best and fastest browser around. A few limitations but you can
always use an older (or current in the case of Opera) browser to
get into your bank, ****ube etc. and other sites whose owners
apparently do not believe frames were annoying enough.

2. Java 5 is still being updated through October 30, 2009

Who cares?

3. Windows 98 is no longer being updated as of July 11,
2006

See below.

What other software components are important and still
being updated for Windows 98. The interest to me is that
people like to run legacy software (like games) on Windows
98 that may not run on Windows XP without an emulator like
Dosbox and then the software may still not run as well as
it originally did on Windows 98.

FWIW, I am doing this with Win98SELite and the latest MS file in
my /entire/ Windows directory is from June 2003. (I use a real
file manager so it took me about 15 seconds to find this out.)

In fact, I use *no* MS software except for the OS, a 7 year old
firewall (Agnitum Outpost ver. 1) and I have only ever gotten
one virus in my life, which couldn't do anything since I have
always had scripting disabled. Since scripting IS useful for
/one/ thing, .reg entry files, I now use ScriptSentry and have
put back the scripting files into win sys.

I used F-Prot for DOS until it became extinct. I have paid for
and am a happy user of Eset NOD32 2.7 for Windows 98SE, even
though I am pretty damn sure I don't really need it. Still, one
never knows. There MAY come a time I get a second virus in 15+
years...

The only thing I am aware of that I may be interested in doing
which MAY require XP or above is transferring some old VHS tapes
to AVI due to capture card driver issues. Other than that, I
have yet to find an app I need which does not have a usually
faster, simpler, and better version which works in 98SE or a
similar product which does the same or more and even better.

I almost never play games, but I have a 12 year old 166MHz P1
with 96 MB of RAM which runs DOS and 9x games beautifully. I
used it - with its 33.6 modem - for the internet until about a
year ago when a 512KBPS "semi-broadband" ADSL connection from my
ISP became cheaper than two phone lines and dial-up.

I see Win7 is a 20GB DL. So I imagine it will take up about a
100GB's on your drive. And it's not even the final release.
Something tells me the final release will NOT be smaller.

And to think I was foolish enough to think MS finally learned
their lesson after the Disasta experience!

Then again, we must all agree MS are succeeding at their main
objective rather well.


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