CAN'T INSTALL BELKIN NIC DRIVERS

Thanks MEB. I really wanted some substance & confirmation that I was doing
the right thing before tackling Belkin. On my post you quoted below, I'm
afraid that what I said was indeed the case, the drivers were listed
correctly as confirmed in Properties for the adapter in Device Manager, as
was the name of the NIC, albeit with a yellow exclamation mark. I apologize
for any ambiguity but I try to be as accurate as possible. I also respect
your comments as to the quality of Belkin NIC's... if the worse happens, then
maybe a Netgear would be better?

I really appreciate the work that you guys on these forums do, giving up
your time presumably freely, to help out us D-I-Y'ers from all over the
world. I think you're stars and need suitable recognition for it. I guess
this is the end of the thread, so with that, many, many thanks.

Best regards,

Sandy.


"MEB" wrote:
Could very well be, but I'm not sure why it would.. having tried the
corrections [and you have tried them all apparently] I would go more for a
bad adapter.
Searching Google for that particular model [ec] only turns up this
discussion... winipcfg showing nothing is not good... and the Belkin
software also unable to find it really is not good. But it doesn't matter,
if you bought the card, and contacted Belkin concerning it shortly after
purchase, then you have the material [the contacts] to request a replacement
from Belkin. Another possibility: If the purchase was recent enough, try to
return it to the store where purchased.

Uhm, however, let's get this straight, you posted:
"OK some success. After going through the procedures we spoke about last
week over the week-end, yes the NIC is now recognized properly, yes the
drivers finally loaded successfully, but no, Windows says "there is a
problem
with my NIC" on restart go & "run the troubleshooter"! As if I didn't do
that in the first place!"

So in actuality, that wasn't correct, right [sorry we can only work with
what you present us] the NIC wasn't properly installed/recognized and the
drivers didn't load properly. Just a correction, as these posts are
referenced by others.

As you have spent a large amount of time, I would re-contact Belkin and
tell them you need a new card [you have tried everything, have contacted
them, and the card does NOT work]. If you have another card around or can
borrow one, try that to see if it connects. Then you can point this out to
Belkin as well.

BTW: going through and beyond the first few pages Google shows, does turn up
some rather poor ratings for that adapter.


"Sandy" wrote in message
...
| MEB, Gary,
|
| Right, I've revisited some of the points made earlier. I actually have
the
| modem/router in my property which my son & I setup together, inputting all
| the MAC addresses of all PC's & security settings - reasonably
| straightforward on an Netgear and works well. I ran winipcfg and noted my
| wireless adapter not even listed so there was no point in going any
further
| with that one. I checked with Belkin for any firmware revisions but, as
| suspected, there's no flash 'bios' as such on the card... all done through
| inf. & sys. files in the installation software.
|
| Which brings me onto Gary's point. I've now retried versions 1 through 3
of
| the Belkin application software/drivers using the procedures that worked
in
| getting the drivers to install, and the same error message appears every
time
| on restart that I mentioned in my last post. When opening the "Utility"
| software I get the consistent message: "Incompatible driver version.
Unable
| to load application", then the Belkin utility window opens with "No
adapters"
| on the tab. Now, you can't tell me that 3 versions of drivers are all
| duff... incompatible! To me this is evidence of a duff card and goes back
to
| the point I made originally about the ver.no. on the card ending in "ec" &
| not "uk". If you go to the following link:
|
http://www.belkin.com/uk/support/art...uk&aid=6199&sc
id=0
| you'll notice the picture shows this at the end of the model number
'F5D7000'
| and all the software/drivers also end in 'uk' & not 'ec'. I believe I've
got
| a card designed for European use & not UK use. I raised this with Belkin
but
| they wouldn't comment. At this point in time I really cannot see the
problem
| being anything else than this, after exploring all other issues. Am I
right?
|
| Sandy.


--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________


|
| "MEB" wrote:
|
|
|
| "Sandy" wrote in message
| ...
| | Hi MEB, good to hear from you... yes, as far as I'm aware, my TCP/IP
| settings
| | are right. As far as the BIOS upgrade for the Belkin... I didn't know
| there
| | was one, I'll check. I haven't gone down the road of pinging or
running
| | winipcfg as I thought the adapter had to be working first??? And
finally
| no,
| | I don't use ICS as the other computers belong to my son next door so
we
| have
| | no need to share files etc.!
| | Cheers, Sandy.
| |
|
| Okay, No ICS entries that might have conflicted.
|
| Are the other wireless connected computers able to SEE your problem 98
| computer {does it appear anywhere in your son's actual network [if he is
the
| one with the wireless base unit]}?
|
|
| What Gary is suggesting is, that the adapter MIGHT be installed, but
the
| adapter in the 98 box is not connecting to the network, which will cause
a
| network error. Errors like you are receiving can also occur [after an
| install] because the adapter can not connect to the network, hence it is
an
| error.
| What you have posted is that the adapter "apparently" IS installed [or
at
| least shown in the Network configuration].
| AS YOU POSTED:
| Client for Microsoft Networks
| Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
| Dial-Up Adapter
| TCP/IP-Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
| TCP/IP-Dial-Up Adapter
| and...
| Primary Network Logon: Windows Logon.
|
|
| I use your "son as" the identifier below, but it refers to whoever has
the
| base transceiver and the actual unit.
| Your son MUST add your computer to his network or allow that address in
the
| acceptable range OR you must be using the address range he has allowed
or is
| using as his network. If he setup static addressing then your computer
must
| also use a static address in the range he has allowed. You will also
need to
| use the same compression and security [WEP/WPA-PSK/WPA-2/whatever and
should
| be the same 64/128/etc., SSID{key}, etc. between the two - your adapter
and
| his base transceiver, they MUST be the same. Recheck the
ENCRYPTION/SECURITY
| ISSUES and basic setup sections on my web page for details.
|
| Have you checked in the wireless base transceiver for what the actual
| network configuration is? The 98 computer MUST be using *that* network
| addressing range and the transciever address should/would be the gateway
in
| your computer Belkin TCP/IP, hence the reason for running winipcfg, to
see
| if the adapter IS attempting to communicate, and whether *your* IP
address
| is in the *wireless base transceiver* range..
|
| Any firewall between you and the transceiver MUST allow access/talking
to
| occur. Check your computer firewall, and make sure it has the local
network
| allowance [the wireless network range]. IF you are running
Norton/Symantec
| or McAfee we need to know that specifically, and any other Anti-V,
| Anti-SpyWare, etc..
|
| --
| MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| --
| _________
|
|
| | "MEB" wrote:
| |
| | Sorry, slightly distracted. Did you check for proper TCP/IP
settings, or
| did
| | you not get that far?
| |
| | IF the card is shown, but not working properly AND you did check
the
| TCP/IP
| | and it is correct, did you check for an upgrade {BIOS} for the
device?
| |
| | Winipcfg Details {what}?
| |
| | Are you also using ICS in the system {or did you at one time?}?
| |
| | Did you try the ping diagnostics?
| |
| | --
| | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | --
| | _________
| |
| | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | ...
| | | Hello MEB,
| | |
| | | I've had some time to examine your webpage, lots of useful stuff
on
| | | networking and problems with, but I didn't find much on
| troubleshooting
| | | adapter installation. But to answer your last questions about the
| EXACT
| | | error message, this happens on boot-up and/or restart: Windows
| Networking
| | | window pops up...
| | | "Your network adapter Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
(0001) is
| not
| | | working properly. You may need to set it up again. For more
| information,
| | | see the Network Troubleshooter in Windows Help".
| | |
| | | You also asked what is listed in Control PanelNetworks:
| | | Client for Microsoft Networks
| | | Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
| | | Dial-Up Adapter
| | | TCP/IP-Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
| | | TCP/IP-Dial-Up Adapter
| | | and...
| | | Primary Network Logon: Windows Logon.
| | |
| | | There's no problems with the modem/router as 3 other remote
computers
| in
| | my
| | | network connect to it OK. Have we come to the end of the road?
| | |
| | | Cheers, Sandy.
| | |
| | | "MEB" wrote:
| | |
| | | Sorry, marked this for response and overlooked it. Don't get
lost in
| the
| | | page and links, it really isn't that difficult. The page is for
| general
| | | diagnostics and information/links to other materials which might
be
| | | informative.
| | |
| | | Post back with success or if more personal help is needed. Good
| luck.
| | |
| | | --
| | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | | --
| | | _________
| | |
| | | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | | ...
| | | | Hi MEB,
| | | |
| | | | Gosh! You've given me a lot to look at & explore. Give me
some
| time
| | to
| | | | study all this and then I'll come back to you. Thanks.
| | | |
| | | | All the best,
| | | |
| | | | Sandy.
| | | |
| | | | "MEB" wrote:
| | | |
| | | |
| | | |
| | | | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | | | ...
| | | | | Good morning MEB and everybody else!
| | | | |
| | | | | OK some success. After going through the procedures we
spoke
| | about
| | | last
| | | | | week over the week-end, yes the NIC is now recognized
| properly,
| | yes
| | | the
| | | | | drivers finally loaded successfully, but no, Windows says
| "there
| | is a
| | | | problem
| | | | | with my NIC" on restart go & "run the troubleshooter"! As
if
| I
| | didn't

As for whether or not the NIC installed properly and drivers, etc., when it
comes to *wireless* cards, MEB, I don't think you can necessarily call that
"wrong". It may be *another* part of the wireless system that isn't
functioning properly. And, as I said, WINIPCFG, to the best of my knowledge,
doesn't see wireless adapters. But I may be wrong, I've only once worked
with a new wireless adapter in a 98 machine, and the memory is a bit vague.

But I agree, the unit should be returned and a new one tried. Even a
Linksys.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"MEB" meb@not wrote in message
...
"Sandy" wrote in message
...
| MEB, Gary,
|
| Right, I've revisited some of the points made earlier. I actually have
the
| modem/router in my property which my son & I setup together, inputting
all
| the MAC addresses of all PC's & security settings - reasonably
| straightforward on an Netgear and works well. I ran winipcfg and noted
my
| wireless adapter not even listed so there was no point in going any
further
| with that one. I checked with Belkin for any firmware revisions but, as
| suspected, there's no flash 'bios' as such on the card... all done
through
| inf. & sys. files in the installation software.
|
| Which brings me onto Gary's point. I've now retried versions 1 through
3
of
| the Belkin application software/drivers using the procedures that worked
in
| getting the drivers to install, and the same error message appears every
time
| on restart that I mentioned in my last post. When opening the "Utility"
| software I get the consistent message: "Incompatible driver version.
Unable
| to load application", then the Belkin utility window opens with "No
adapters"
| on the tab. Now, you can't tell me that 3 versions of drivers are all
| duff... incompatible! To me this is evidence of a duff card and goes
back
to
| the point I made originally about the ver.no. on the card ending in "ec"
&
| not "uk". If you go to the following link:
|
http://www.belkin.com/uk/support/art...uk&aid=6199&sc
id=0
| you'll notice the picture shows this at the end of the model number
'F5D7000'
| and all the software/drivers also end in 'uk' & not 'ec'. I believe
I've
got
| a card designed for European use & not UK use. I raised this with
Belkin
but
| they wouldn't comment. At this point in time I really cannot see the
problem
| being anything else than this, after exploring all other issues. Am I
right?
|
| Sandy.

Could very well be, but I'm not sure why it would.. having tried the
corrections [and you have tried them all apparently] I would go more for a
bad adapter.
Searching Google for that particular model [ec] only turns up this
discussion... winipcfg showing nothing is not good... and the Belkin
software also unable to find it really is not good. But it doesn't matter,
if you bought the card, and contacted Belkin concerning it shortly after
purchase, then you have the material [the contacts] to request a
replacement
from Belkin. Another possibility: If the purchase was recent enough, try
to
return it to the store where purchased.

Uhm, however, let's get this straight, you posted:
"OK some success. After going through the procedures we spoke about last
week over the week-end, yes the NIC is now recognized properly, yes the
drivers finally loaded successfully, but no, Windows says "there is a
problem
with my NIC" on restart go & "run the troubleshooter"! As if I didn't do
that in the first place!"

So in actuality, that wasn't correct, right [sorry we can only work with
what you present us] the NIC wasn't properly installed/recognized and the
drivers didn't load properly. Just a correction, as these posts are
referenced by others.

As you have spent a large amount of time, I would re-contact Belkin and
tell them you need a new card [you have tried everything, have contacted
them, and the card does NOT work]. If you have another card around or can
borrow one, try that to see if it connects. Then you can point this out to
Belkin as well.

BTW: going through and beyond the first few pages Google shows, does turn
up
some rather poor ratings for that adapter.

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________


|
| "MEB" wrote:
|
|
|
| "Sandy" wrote in message
| ...
| | Hi MEB, good to hear from you... yes, as far as I'm aware, my TCP/IP
| settings
| | are right. As far as the BIOS upgrade for the Belkin... I didn't
know
| there
| | was one, I'll check. I haven't gone down the road of pinging or
running
| | winipcfg as I thought the adapter had to be working first??? And
finally
| no,
| | I don't use ICS as the other computers belong to my son next door so
we
| have
| | no need to share files etc.!
| | Cheers, Sandy.
| |
|
| Okay, No ICS entries that might have conflicted.
|
| Are the other wireless connected computers able to SEE your problem
98
| computer {does it appear anywhere in your son's actual network [if he
is
the
| one with the wireless base unit]}?
|
|
| What Gary is suggesting is, that the adapter MIGHT be installed, but
the
| adapter in the 98 box is not connecting to the network, which will
cause
a
| network error. Errors like you are receiving can also occur [after an
| install] because the adapter can not connect to the network, hence it
is
an
| error.
| What you have posted is that the adapter "apparently" IS installed
[or
at
| least shown in the Network configuration].
| AS YOU POSTED:
| Client for Microsoft Networks
| Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
| Dial-Up Adapter
| TCP/IP-Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
| TCP/IP-Dial-Up Adapter
| and...
| Primary Network Logon: Windows Logon.
|
|
| I use your "son as" the identifier below, but it refers to whoever has
the
| base transceiver and the actual unit.
| Your son MUST add your computer to his network or allow that address
in
the
| acceptable range OR you must be using the address range he has allowed
or is
| using as his network. If he setup static addressing then your computer
must
| also use a static address in the range he has allowed. You will also
need to
| use the same compression and security [WEP/WPA-PSK/WPA-2/whatever and
should
| be the same 64/128/etc., SSID{key}, etc. between the two - your
adapter
and
| his base transceiver, they MUST be the same. Recheck the
ENCRYPTION/SECURITY
| ISSUES and basic setup sections on my web page for details.
|
| Have you checked in the wireless base transceiver for what the actual
| network configuration is? The 98 computer MUST be using *that* network
| addressing range and the transciever address should/would be the
gateway
in
| your computer Belkin TCP/IP, hence the reason for running winipcfg, to
see
| if the adapter IS attempting to communicate, and whether *your* IP
address
| is in the *wireless base transceiver* range..
|
| Any firewall between you and the transceiver MUST allow
access/talking
to
| occur. Check your computer firewall, and make sure it has the local
network
| allowance [the wireless network range]. IF you are running
Norton/Symantec
| or McAfee we need to know that specifically, and any other Anti-V,
| Anti-SpyWare, etc..
|
| --
| MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| --
| _________
|
|
| | "MEB" wrote:
| |
| | Sorry, slightly distracted. Did you check for proper TCP/IP
settings, or
| did
| | you not get that far?
| |
| | IF the card is shown, but not working properly AND you did check
the
| TCP/IP
| | and it is correct, did you check for an upgrade {BIOS} for the
device?
| |
| | Winipcfg Details {what}?
| |
| | Are you also using ICS in the system {or did you at one time?}?
| |
| | Did you try the ping diagnostics?
| |
| | --
| | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | --
| | _________
| |
| | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | ...
| | | Hello MEB,
| | |
| | | I've had some time to examine your webpage, lots of useful stuff
on
| | | networking and problems with, but I didn't find much on
| troubleshooting
| | | adapter installation. But to answer your last questions about
the
| EXACT
| | | error message, this happens on boot-up and/or restart: Windows
| Networking
| | | window pops up...
| | | "Your network adapter Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
(0001) is
| not
| | | working properly. You may need to set it up again. For more
| information,
| | | see the Network Troubleshooter in Windows Help".
| | |
| | | You also asked what is listed in Control PanelNetworks:
| | | Client for Microsoft Networks
| | | Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
| | | Dial-Up Adapter
| | | TCP/IP-Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
| | | TCP/IP-Dial-Up Adapter
| | | and...
| | | Primary Network Logon: Windows Logon.
| | |
| | | There's no problems with the modem/router as 3 other remote
computers
| in
| | my
| | | network connect to it OK. Have we come to the end of the road?
| | |
| | | Cheers, Sandy.
| | |
| | | "MEB" wrote:
| | |
| | | Sorry, marked this for response and overlooked it. Don't get
lost in
| the
| | | page and links, it really isn't that difficult. The page is
for
| general
| | | diagnostics and information/links to other materials which
might
be
| | | informative.
| | |
| | | Post back with success or if more personal help is needed.
Good
| luck.
| | |
| | | --
| | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | | --
| | | _________
| | |
| | | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | | ...
| | | | Hi MEB,
| | | |
| | | | Gosh! You've given me a lot to look at & explore. Give me
some
| time
| | to
| | | | study all this and then I'll come back to you. Thanks.
| | | |
| | | | All the best,
| | | |
| | | | Sandy.
| | | |
| | | | "MEB" wrote:
| | | |
| | | |
| | | |
| | | | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | | | ...
| | | | | Good morning MEB and everybody else!
| | | | |
| | | | | OK some success. After going through the procedures we
spoke
| | about
| | | last
| | | | | week over the week-end, yes the NIC is now recognized
| properly,
| | yes
| | | the
| | | | | drivers finally loaded successfully, but no, Windows
says
| "there
| | is a
| | | | problem
| | | | | with my NIC" on restart go & "run the troubleshooter"!
As
if
| I
| | didn't
| | | do
| | | | | that in the first place!
| | | | |
| | | | | I have to say I think that this final message would
rather
| | indicate a
| | | | faulty
| | | | | card which may account for all the difficulties. What
do
you
| | think?
| | | | |
| | | | | Regards, Sandy.
| | | | |
| | | |
| | | | What is the EXACT error message and what is now shown in
| Control
| | Panel
| | |
| | | | Network. {NIC adapter {Belkin 54g wireless}}
| | | |
| | | | What you're looking for is TCP/IP set for Obtain IP
| automatically,
| | no
| | | | Gateway, no WINS, and other *INITIALLY*.
| | | | HOWEVER, as this is part of a wireless network, the rest
of
the
| | network
| | | | must be found. RUN * winipcfg * in the Start RUN box.
| | | | What is the address for your base unit/wireless router?
| | | |
| | | | Here's a general network diagnostic/setup page:
| | | |
| http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/re...NETWORKING.htm
| | | |
| | | | --
| | | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | | | --
| | | | _________
| | | |
| | | | | "MEB" wrote:
| | | | |
| | | | | Okay, please keep us informed.
| | | | |
| | | | | --
| | | | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | | | | --
| | | | | _________
| | | | |
| | | | | "Sandy" wrote in
message
| | | | |
...
| | | | | | Gosh... more stuff to think about! Thanks for that
MEB.
| I'll
| | | have a
| | | | go
| | | | | of
| | | | | | your suggestions over the week-end and see what
happens.
| I'll
| | | come
| | | | back
| | | | | to
| | | | | | you next week. See you then.
| | | | | |
| | | | | | Sandy.
| | | | | |
| | | | | | "MEB" wrote:
| | | | | |
| | | | | |
| | | | | | "Sandy" wrote in
| message
| | | | | |
| ...
| | | | | | | Morning MEB (it is for me!),
| | | | | | |
| | | | | | | Thanks for your reply... lots of stuff for me to
get
| my
| | head
| | | | round!
| | | | | | |
| | | | | | | The only INF files I removed were the folders
listed
| as
| | Belkin
| | | &
| | | | | Broadcom,
| | | | | | | no others.
| | | | | |
| | | | | | Okay, that was important, we now can focus on
other
| | potentials.
| | | | | |
| | | | | | |
| | | | | | |
| http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp -
| | was
| | | the
| | | | | technique
| | | | | | you
| | | | | | | used similar to this?
| | | | | | |
| | | | | | | Just printed this off - useful stuff here,
thanks.
| Yes
| | sort
| | | off
| | | | in my
| | | | | | | fumbling way trying to muddle through. There
are
some
| | extra
| | | steps
| | | | I
| | | | | can
| | | | | | try
| | | | | | | but what is really useful is I can follow
through
in a
| | logical
| | | | | sequence.
| | | | | | | However, looking at the points between steps 15
&
16
| ( I
| | was
| | | | having
| | | | | | another
| | | | | | | go last night whilst waiting for this post), I
noticed
| the
| | | card
| | | | was
| | | | | not
| | | | | | | identified. However, I will go through
Netgears'
| sequence
| | now
| | | | I've
| | | | | got it

As for whether or not the NIC installed properly and drivers, etc., when it
comes to *wireless* cards, MEB, I don't think you can necessarily call that
"wrong". It may be *another* part of the wireless system that isn't
functioning properly. And, as I said, WINIPCFG, to the best of my knowledge,
doesn't see wireless adapters. But I may be wrong, I've only once worked
with a new wireless adapter in a 98 machine, and the memory is a bit vague.

But I agree, the unit should be returned and a new one tried. Even a
Linksys.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"MEB" meb@not wrote in message
...
"Sandy" wrote in message
...
| MEB, Gary,
|
| Right, I've revisited some of the points made earlier. I actually have
the
| modem/router in my property which my son & I setup together, inputting
all
| the MAC addresses of all PC's & security settings - reasonably
| straightforward on an Netgear and works well. I ran winipcfg and noted
my
| wireless adapter not even listed so there was no point in going any
further
| with that one. I checked with Belkin for any firmware revisions but, as
| suspected, there's no flash 'bios' as such on the card... all done
through
| inf. & sys. files in the installation software.
|
| Which brings me onto Gary's point. I've now retried versions 1 through
3
of
| the Belkin application software/drivers using the procedures that worked
in
| getting the drivers to install, and the same error message appears every
time
| on restart that I mentioned in my last post. When opening the "Utility"
| software I get the consistent message: "Incompatible driver version.
Unable
| to load application", then the Belkin utility window opens with "No
adapters"
| on the tab. Now, you can't tell me that 3 versions of drivers are all
| duff... incompatible! To me this is evidence of a duff card and goes
back
to
| the point I made originally about the ver.no. on the card ending in "ec"
&
| not "uk". If you go to the following link:
|
http://www.belkin.com/uk/support/art...uk&aid=6199&sc
id=0
| you'll notice the picture shows this at the end of the model number
'F5D7000'
| and all the software/drivers also end in 'uk' & not 'ec'. I believe
I've
got
| a card designed for European use & not UK use. I raised this with
Belkin
but
| they wouldn't comment. At this point in time I really cannot see the
problem
| being anything else than this, after exploring all other issues. Am I
right?
|
| Sandy.

Could very well be, but I'm not sure why it would.. having tried the
corrections [and you have tried them all apparently] I would go more for a
bad adapter.
Searching Google for that particular model [ec] only turns up this
discussion... winipcfg showing nothing is not good... and the Belkin
software also unable to find it really is not good. But it doesn't matter,
if you bought the card, and contacted Belkin concerning it shortly after
purchase, then you have the material [the contacts] to request a
replacement
from Belkin. Another possibility: If the purchase was recent enough, try
to
return it to the store where purchased.

Uhm, however, let's get this straight, you posted:
"OK some success. After going through the procedures we spoke about last
week over the week-end, yes the NIC is now recognized properly, yes the
drivers finally loaded successfully, but no, Windows says "there is a
problem
with my NIC" on restart go & "run the troubleshooter"! As if I didn't do
that in the first place!"

So in actuality, that wasn't correct, right [sorry we can only work with
what you present us] the NIC wasn't properly installed/recognized and the
drivers didn't load properly. Just a correction, as these posts are
referenced by others.

As you have spent a large amount of time, I would re-contact Belkin and
tell them you need a new card [you have tried everything, have contacted
them, and the card does NOT work]. If you have another card around or can
borrow one, try that to see if it connects. Then you can point this out to
Belkin as well.

BTW: going through and beyond the first few pages Google shows, does turn
up
some rather poor ratings for that adapter.

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________


|
| "MEB" wrote:
|
|
|
| "Sandy" wrote in message
| ...
| | Hi MEB, good to hear from you... yes, as far as I'm aware, my TCP/IP
| settings
| | are right. As far as the BIOS upgrade for the Belkin... I didn't
know
| there
| | was one, I'll check. I haven't gone down the road of pinging or
running
| | winipcfg as I thought the adapter had to be working first??? And
finally
| no,
| | I don't use ICS as the other computers belong to my son next door so
we
| have
| | no need to share files etc.!
| | Cheers, Sandy.
| |
|
| Okay, No ICS entries that might have conflicted.
|
| Are the other wireless connected computers able to SEE your problem
98
| computer {does it appear anywhere in your son's actual network [if he
is
the
| one with the wireless base unit]}?
|
|
| What Gary is suggesting is, that the adapter MIGHT be installed, but
the
| adapter in the 98 box is not connecting to the network, which will
cause
a
| network error. Errors like you are receiving can also occur [after an
| install] because the adapter can not connect to the network, hence it
is
an
| error.
| What you have posted is that the adapter "apparently" IS installed
[or
at
| least shown in the Network configuration].
| AS YOU POSTED:
| Client for Microsoft Networks
| Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
| Dial-Up Adapter
| TCP/IP-Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
| TCP/IP-Dial-Up Adapter
| and...
| Primary Network Logon: Windows Logon.
|
|
| I use your "son as" the identifier below, but it refers to whoever has
the
| base transceiver and the actual unit.
| Your son MUST add your computer to his network or allow that address
in
the
| acceptable range OR you must be using the address range he has allowed
or is
| using as his network. If he setup static addressing then your computer
must
| also use a static address in the range he has allowed. You will also
need to
| use the same compression and security [WEP/WPA-PSK/WPA-2/whatever and
should
| be the same 64/128/etc., SSID{key}, etc. between the two - your
adapter
and
| his base transceiver, they MUST be the same. Recheck the
ENCRYPTION/SECURITY
| ISSUES and basic setup sections on my web page for details.
|
| Have you checked in the wireless base transceiver for what the actual
| network configuration is? The 98 computer MUST be using *that* network
| addressing range and the transciever address should/would be the
gateway
in
| your computer Belkin TCP/IP, hence the reason for running winipcfg, to
see
| if the adapter IS attempting to communicate, and whether *your* IP
address
| is in the *wireless base transceiver* range..
|
| Any firewall between you and the transceiver MUST allow
access/talking
to
| occur. Check your computer firewall, and make sure it has the local
network
| allowance [the wireless network range]. IF you are running
Norton/Symantec
| or McAfee we need to know that specifically, and any other Anti-V,
| Anti-SpyWare, etc..
|
| --
| MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| --
| _________
|
|
| | "MEB" wrote:
| |
| | Sorry, slightly distracted. Did you check for proper TCP/IP
settings, or
| did
| | you not get that far?
| |
| | IF the card is shown, but not working properly AND you did check
the
| TCP/IP
| | and it is correct, did you check for an upgrade {BIOS} for the
device?
| |
| | Winipcfg Details {what}?
| |
| | Are you also using ICS in the system {or did you at one time?}?
| |
| | Did you try the ping diagnostics?
| |
| | --
| | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | --
| | _________
| |
| | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | ...
| | | Hello MEB,
| | |
| | | I've had some time to examine your webpage, lots of useful stuff
on
| | | networking and problems with, but I didn't find much on
| troubleshooting
| | | adapter installation. But to answer your last questions about
the
| EXACT
| | | error message, this happens on boot-up and/or restart: Windows
| Networking
| | | window pops up...
| | | "Your network adapter Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
(0001) is
| not
| | | working properly. You may need to set it up again. For more
| information,
| | | see the Network Troubleshooter in Windows Help".
| | |
| | | You also asked what is listed in Control PanelNetworks:
| | | Client for Microsoft Networks
| | | Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
| | | Dial-Up Adapter
| | | TCP/IP-Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
| | | TCP/IP-Dial-Up Adapter
| | | and...
| | | Primary Network Logon: Windows Logon.
| | |
| | | There's no problems with the modem/router as 3 other remote
computers
| in
| | my
| | | network connect to it OK. Have we come to the end of the road?
| | |
| | | Cheers, Sandy.
| | |
| | | "MEB" wrote:
| | |
| | | Sorry, marked this for response and overlooked it. Don't get
lost in
| the
| | | page and links, it really isn't that difficult. The page is
for
| general
| | | diagnostics and information/links to other materials which
might
be
| | | informative.
| | |
| | | Post back with success or if more personal help is needed.
Good
| luck.
| | |
| | | --
| | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | | --
| | | _________
| | |
| | | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | | ...
| | | | Hi MEB,
| | | |
| | | | Gosh! You've given me a lot to look at & explore. Give me
some
| time
| | to
| | | | study all this and then I'll come back to you. Thanks.
| | | |
| | | | All the best,
| | | |
| | | | Sandy.
| | | |
| | | | "MEB" wrote:
| | | |
| | | |
| | | |
| | | | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | | | ...
| | | | | Good morning MEB and everybody else!
| | | | |
| | | | | OK some success. After going through the procedures we
spoke
| | about
| | | last
| | | | | week over the week-end, yes the NIC is now recognized
| properly,
| | yes
| | | the
| | | | | drivers finally loaded successfully, but no, Windows
says
| "there
| | is a
| | | | problem
| | | | | with my NIC" on restart go & "run the troubleshooter"!
As
if
| I
| | didn't
| | | do
| | | | | that in the first place!
| | | | |
| | | | | I have to say I think that this final message would
rather
| | indicate a
| | | | faulty
| | | | | card which may account for all the difficulties. What
do
you
| | think?
| | | | |
| | | | | Regards, Sandy.
| | | | |
| | | |
| | | | What is the EXACT error message and what is now shown in
| Control
| | Panel
| | |
| | | | Network. {NIC adapter {Belkin 54g wireless}}
| | | |
| | | | What you're looking for is TCP/IP set for Obtain IP
| automatically,
| | no
| | | | Gateway, no WINS, and other *INITIALLY*.
| | | | HOWEVER, as this is part of a wireless network, the rest
of
the
| | network
| | | | must be found. RUN * winipcfg * in the Start RUN box.
| | | | What is the address for your base unit/wireless router?
| | | |
| | | | Here's a general network diagnostic/setup page:
| | | |
| http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/re...NETWORKING.htm
| | | |
| | | | --
| | | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | | | --
| | | | _________
| | | |
| | | | | "MEB" wrote:
| | | | |
| | | | | Okay, please keep us informed.
| | | | |
| | | | | --
| | | | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | | | | --
| | | | | _________
| | | | |
| | | | | "Sandy" wrote in
message
| | | | |
...
| | | | | | Gosh... more stuff to think about! Thanks for that
MEB.
| I'll
| | | have a
| | | | go
| | | | | of
| | | | | | your suggestions over the week-end and see what
happens.
| I'll
| | | come
| | | | back
| | | | | to
| | | | | | you next week. See you then.
| | | | | |
| | | | | | Sandy.
| | | | | |
| | | | | | "MEB" wrote:
| | | | | |
| | | | | |
| | | | | | "Sandy" wrote in
| message
| | | | | |
| ...
| | | | | | | Morning MEB (it is for me!),
| | | | | | |
| | | | | | | Thanks for your reply... lots of stuff for me to
get
| my
| | head
| | | | round!
| | | | | | |
| | | | | | | The only INF files I removed were the folders
listed
| as
| | Belkin
| | | &
| | | | | Broadcom,
| | | | | | | no others.
| | | | | |
| | | | | | Okay, that was important, we now can focus on
other
| | potentials.
| | | | | |
| | | | | | |
| | | | | | |
| http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp -
| | was
| | | the
| | | | | technique
| | | | | | you
| | | | | | | used similar to this?
| | | | | | |
| | | | | | | Just printed this off - useful stuff here,
thanks.
| Yes
| | sort
| | | off
| | | | in my
| | | | | | | fumbling way trying to muddle through. There
are
some
| | extra
| | | steps
| | | | I
| | | | | can
| | | | | | try
| | | | | | | but what is really useful is I can follow
through
in a
| | logical
| | | | | sequence.
| | | | | | | However, looking at the points between steps 15
&
16
| ( I
| | was
| | | | having
| | | | | | another
| | | | | | | go last night whilst waiting for this post), I
noticed
| the
| | | card
| | | | was
| | | | | not
| | | | | | | identified. However, I will go through
Netgears'
| sequence
| | now
| | | | I've
| | | | | got it

Might want to check out the thread in Win98.Gen_Discussion from the NetGear
wireless buyer who is having almost exactly the same problems you are.

Windows 98 was never built with wireless networking in mind. There is
nothing native to support it, so all that stuff needs to be installed before
you can actually install the hardware itself. Lots of room for mistakes.
Unfortunately, I can't tell you more without going out any buying a couple
of the devices and playing with them on my own system, so I'd at least know
what *should* happen.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Sandy" wrote in message
...
Thanks MEB. I really wanted some substance & confirmation that I was
doing
the right thing before tackling Belkin. On my post you quoted below, I'm
afraid that what I said was indeed the case, the drivers were listed
correctly as confirmed in Properties for the adapter in Device Manager, as
was the name of the NIC, albeit with a yellow exclamation mark. I
apologize
for any ambiguity but I try to be as accurate as possible. I also respect
your comments as to the quality of Belkin NIC's... if the worse happens,
then
maybe a Netgear would be better?

I really appreciate the work that you guys on these forums do, giving up
your time presumably freely, to help out us D-I-Y'ers from all over the
world. I think you're stars and need suitable recognition for it. I
guess
this is the end of the thread, so with that, many, many thanks.

Best regards,

Sandy.


"MEB" wrote:
Could very well be, but I'm not sure why it would.. having tried the
corrections [and you have tried them all apparently] I would go more for
a
bad adapter.
Searching Google for that particular model [ec] only turns up this
discussion... winipcfg showing nothing is not good... and the Belkin
software also unable to find it really is not good. But it doesn't
matter,
if you bought the card, and contacted Belkin concerning it shortly after
purchase, then you have the material [the contacts] to request a
replacement
from Belkin. Another possibility: If the purchase was recent enough, try
to
return it to the store where purchased.

Uhm, however, let's get this straight, you posted:
"OK some success. After going through the procedures we spoke about last
week over the week-end, yes the NIC is now recognized properly, yes the
drivers finally loaded successfully, but no, Windows says "there is a
problem
with my NIC" on restart go & "run the troubleshooter"! As if I didn't do
that in the first place!"

So in actuality, that wasn't correct, right [sorry we can only work with
what you present us] the NIC wasn't properly installed/recognized and the
drivers didn't load properly. Just a correction, as these posts are
referenced by others.

As you have spent a large amount of time, I would re-contact Belkin and
tell them you need a new card [you have tried everything, have contacted
them, and the card does NOT work]. If you have another card around or can
borrow one, try that to see if it connects. Then you can point this out
to
Belkin as well.

BTW: going through and beyond the first few pages Google shows, does turn
up
some rather poor ratings for that adapter.


"Sandy" wrote in message
...
| MEB, Gary,
|
| Right, I've revisited some of the points made earlier. I actually have
the
| modem/router in my property which my son & I setup together, inputting
all
| the MAC addresses of all PC's & security settings - reasonably
| straightforward on an Netgear and works well. I ran winipcfg and noted
my
| wireless adapter not even listed so there was no point in going any
further
| with that one. I checked with Belkin for any firmware revisions but,
as
| suspected, there's no flash 'bios' as such on the card... all done
through
| inf. & sys. files in the installation software.
|
| Which brings me onto Gary's point. I've now retried versions 1 through
3
of
| the Belkin application software/drivers using the procedures that
worked
in
| getting the drivers to install, and the same error message appears
every
time
| on restart that I mentioned in my last post. When opening the
"Utility"
| software I get the consistent message: "Incompatible driver version.
Unable
| to load application", then the Belkin utility window opens with "No
adapters"
| on the tab. Now, you can't tell me that 3 versions of drivers are all
| duff... incompatible! To me this is evidence of a duff card and goes
back
to
| the point I made originally about the ver.no. on the card ending in
"ec" &
| not "uk". If you go to the following link:
|
http://www.belkin.com/uk/support/art...uk&aid=6199&sc
id=0
| you'll notice the picture shows this at the end of the model number
'F5D7000'
| and all the software/drivers also end in 'uk' & not 'ec'. I believe
I've
got
| a card designed for European use & not UK use. I raised this with
Belkin
but
| they wouldn't comment. At this point in time I really cannot see the
problem
| being anything else than this, after exploring all other issues. Am I
right?
|
| Sandy.


--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________


|
| "MEB" wrote:
|
|
|
| "Sandy" wrote in message
| ...
| | Hi MEB, good to hear from you... yes, as far as I'm aware, my
TCP/IP
| settings
| | are right. As far as the BIOS upgrade for the Belkin... I didn't
know
| there
| | was one, I'll check. I haven't gone down the road of pinging or
running
| | winipcfg as I thought the adapter had to be working first??? And
finally
| no,
| | I don't use ICS as the other computers belong to my son next door
so
we
| have
| | no need to share files etc.!
| | Cheers, Sandy.
| |
|
| Okay, No ICS entries that might have conflicted.
|
| Are the other wireless connected computers able to SEE your problem
98
| computer {does it appear anywhere in your son's actual network [if he
is
the
| one with the wireless base unit]}?
|
|
| What Gary is suggesting is, that the adapter MIGHT be installed, but
the
| adapter in the 98 box is not connecting to the network, which will
cause
a
| network error. Errors like you are receiving can also occur [after an
| install] because the adapter can not connect to the network, hence it
is
an
| error.
| What you have posted is that the adapter "apparently" IS installed
[or
at
| least shown in the Network configuration].
| AS YOU POSTED:
| Client for Microsoft Networks
| Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
| Dial-Up Adapter
| TCP/IP-Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
| TCP/IP-Dial-Up Adapter
| and...
| Primary Network Logon: Windows Logon.
|
|
| I use your "son as" the identifier below, but it refers to whoever
has
the
| base transceiver and the actual unit.
| Your son MUST add your computer to his network or allow that address
in
the
| acceptable range OR you must be using the address range he has
allowed
or is
| using as his network. If he setup static addressing then your
computer
must
| also use a static address in the range he has allowed. You will also
need to
| use the same compression and security [WEP/WPA-PSK/WPA-2/whatever and
should
| be the same 64/128/etc., SSID{key}, etc. between the two - your
adapter
and
| his base transceiver, they MUST be the same. Recheck the
ENCRYPTION/SECURITY
| ISSUES and basic setup sections on my web page for details.
|
| Have you checked in the wireless base transceiver for what the
actual
| network configuration is? The 98 computer MUST be using *that*
network
| addressing range and the transciever address should/would be the
gateway
in
| your computer Belkin TCP/IP, hence the reason for running winipcfg,
to
see
| if the adapter IS attempting to communicate, and whether *your* IP
address
| is in the *wireless base transceiver* range..
|
| Any firewall between you and the transceiver MUST allow
access/talking
to
| occur. Check your computer firewall, and make sure it has the local
network
| allowance [the wireless network range]. IF you are running
Norton/Symantec
| or McAfee we need to know that specifically, and any other Anti-V,
| Anti-SpyWare, etc..
|
| --
| MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| --
| _________
|
|
| | "MEB" wrote:
| |
| | Sorry, slightly distracted. Did you check for proper TCP/IP
settings, or
| did
| | you not get that far?
| |
| | IF the card is shown, but not working properly AND you did check
the
| TCP/IP
| | and it is correct, did you check for an upgrade {BIOS} for the
device?
| |
| | Winipcfg Details {what}?
| |
| | Are you also using ICS in the system {or did you at one time?}?
| |
| | Did you try the ping diagnostics?
| |
| | --
| | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | --
| | _________
| |
| | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | ...
| | | Hello MEB,
| | |
| | | I've had some time to examine your webpage, lots of useful
stuff
on
| | | networking and problems with, but I didn't find much on
| troubleshooting
| | | adapter installation. But to answer your last questions about
the
| EXACT
| | | error message, this happens on boot-up and/or restart: Windows
| Networking
| | | window pops up...
| | | "Your network adapter Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
(0001) is
| not
| | | working properly. You may need to set it up again. For more
| information,
| | | see the Network Troubleshooter in Windows Help".
| | |
| | | You also asked what is listed in Control PanelNetworks:
| | | Client for Microsoft Networks
| | | Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
| | | Dial-Up Adapter
| | | TCP/IP-Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
| | | TCP/IP-Dial-Up Adapter
| | | and...
| | | Primary Network Logon: Windows Logon.
| | |
| | | There's no problems with the modem/router as 3 other remote
computers
| in
| | my
| | | network connect to it OK. Have we come to the end of the road?
| | |
| | | Cheers, Sandy.
| | |
| | | "MEB" wrote:
| | |
| | | Sorry, marked this for response and overlooked it. Don't get
lost in
| the
| | | page and links, it really isn't that difficult. The page is
for
| general
| | | diagnostics and information/links to other materials which
might
be
| | | informative.
| | |
| | | Post back with success or if more personal help is needed.
Good
| luck.
| | |
| | | --
| | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | | --
| | | _________
| | |
| | | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | | ...
| | | | Hi MEB,
| | | |
| | | | Gosh! You've given me a lot to look at & explore. Give me
some
| time
| | to
| | | | study all this and then I'll come back to you. Thanks.
| | | |
| | | | All the best,
| | | |
| | | | Sandy.
| | | |
| | | | "MEB" wrote:
| | | |
| | | |
| | | |
| | | | "Sandy" wrote in
message
| | | |
...
| | | | | Good morning MEB and everybody else!
| | | | |
| | | | | OK some success. After going through the procedures we
spoke
| | about
| | | last
| | | | | week over the week-end, yes the NIC is now recognized
| properly,
| | yes
| | | the
| | | | | drivers finally loaded successfully, but no, Windows
says
| "there
| | is a
| | | | problem
| | | | | with my NIC" on restart go & "run the troubleshooter"!
As
if
| I
| | didn't

Might want to check out the thread in Win98.Gen_Discussion from the NetGear
wireless buyer who is having almost exactly the same problems you are.

Windows 98 was never built with wireless networking in mind. There is
nothing native to support it, so all that stuff needs to be installed before
you can actually install the hardware itself. Lots of room for mistakes.
Unfortunately, I can't tell you more without going out any buying a couple
of the devices and playing with them on my own system, so I'd at least know
what *should* happen.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Sandy" wrote in message
...
Thanks MEB. I really wanted some substance & confirmation that I was
doing
the right thing before tackling Belkin. On my post you quoted below, I'm
afraid that what I said was indeed the case, the drivers were listed
correctly as confirmed in Properties for the adapter in Device Manager, as
was the name of the NIC, albeit with a yellow exclamation mark. I
apologize
for any ambiguity but I try to be as accurate as possible. I also respect
your comments as to the quality of Belkin NIC's... if the worse happens,
then
maybe a Netgear would be better?

I really appreciate the work that you guys on these forums do, giving up
your time presumably freely, to help out us D-I-Y'ers from all over the
world. I think you're stars and need suitable recognition for it. I
guess
this is the end of the thread, so with that, many, many thanks.

Best regards,

Sandy.


"MEB" wrote:
Could very well be, but I'm not sure why it would.. having tried the
corrections [and you have tried them all apparently] I would go more for
a
bad adapter.
Searching Google for that particular model [ec] only turns up this
discussion... winipcfg showing nothing is not good... and the Belkin
software also unable to find it really is not good. But it doesn't
matter,
if you bought the card, and contacted Belkin concerning it shortly after
purchase, then you have the material [the contacts] to request a
replacement
from Belkin. Another possibility: If the purchase was recent enough, try
to
return it to the store where purchased.

Uhm, however, let's get this straight, you posted:
"OK some success. After going through the procedures we spoke about last
week over the week-end, yes the NIC is now recognized properly, yes the
drivers finally loaded successfully, but no, Windows says "there is a
problem
with my NIC" on restart go & "run the troubleshooter"! As if I didn't do
that in the first place!"

So in actuality, that wasn't correct, right [sorry we can only work with
what you present us] the NIC wasn't properly installed/recognized and the
drivers didn't load properly. Just a correction, as these posts are
referenced by others.

As you have spent a large amount of time, I would re-contact Belkin and
tell them you need a new card [you have tried everything, have contacted
them, and the card does NOT work]. If you have another card around or can
borrow one, try that to see if it connects. Then you can point this out
to
Belkin as well.

BTW: going through and beyond the first few pages Google shows, does turn
up
some rather poor ratings for that adapter.


"Sandy" wrote in message
...
| MEB, Gary,
|
| Right, I've revisited some of the points made earlier. I actually have
the
| modem/router in my property which my son & I setup together, inputting
all
| the MAC addresses of all PC's & security settings - reasonably
| straightforward on an Netgear and works well. I ran winipcfg and noted
my
| wireless adapter not even listed so there was no point in going any
further
| with that one. I checked with Belkin for any firmware revisions but,
as
| suspected, there's no flash 'bios' as such on the card... all done
through
| inf. & sys. files in the installation software.
|
| Which brings me onto Gary's point. I've now retried versions 1 through
3
of
| the Belkin application software/drivers using the procedures that
worked
in
| getting the drivers to install, and the same error message appears
every
time
| on restart that I mentioned in my last post. When opening the
"Utility"
| software I get the consistent message: "Incompatible driver version.
Unable
| to load application", then the Belkin utility window opens with "No
adapters"
| on the tab. Now, you can't tell me that 3 versions of drivers are all
| duff... incompatible! To me this is evidence of a duff card and goes
back
to
| the point I made originally about the ver.no. on the card ending in
"ec" &
| not "uk". If you go to the following link:
|
http://www.belkin.com/uk/support/art...uk&aid=6199&sc
id=0
| you'll notice the picture shows this at the end of the model number
'F5D7000'
| and all the software/drivers also end in 'uk' & not 'ec'. I believe
I've
got
| a card designed for European use & not UK use. I raised this with
Belkin
but
| they wouldn't comment. At this point in time I really cannot see the
problem
| being anything else than this, after exploring all other issues. Am I
right?
|
| Sandy.


--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________


|
| "MEB" wrote:
|
|
|
| "Sandy" wrote in message
| ...
| | Hi MEB, good to hear from you... yes, as far as I'm aware, my
TCP/IP
| settings
| | are right. As far as the BIOS upgrade for the Belkin... I didn't
know
| there
| | was one, I'll check. I haven't gone down the road of pinging or
running
| | winipcfg as I thought the adapter had to be working first??? And
finally
| no,
| | I don't use ICS as the other computers belong to my son next door
so
we
| have
| | no need to share files etc.!
| | Cheers, Sandy.
| |
|
| Okay, No ICS entries that might have conflicted.
|
| Are the other wireless connected computers able to SEE your problem
98
| computer {does it appear anywhere in your son's actual network [if he
is
the
| one with the wireless base unit]}?
|
|
| What Gary is suggesting is, that the adapter MIGHT be installed, but
the
| adapter in the 98 box is not connecting to the network, which will
cause
a
| network error. Errors like you are receiving can also occur [after an
| install] because the adapter can not connect to the network, hence it
is
an
| error.
| What you have posted is that the adapter "apparently" IS installed
[or
at
| least shown in the Network configuration].
| AS YOU POSTED:
| Client for Microsoft Networks
| Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
| Dial-Up Adapter
| TCP/IP-Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
| TCP/IP-Dial-Up Adapter
| and...
| Primary Network Logon: Windows Logon.
|
|
| I use your "son as" the identifier below, but it refers to whoever
has
the
| base transceiver and the actual unit.
| Your son MUST add your computer to his network or allow that address
in
the
| acceptable range OR you must be using the address range he has
allowed
or is
| using as his network. If he setup static addressing then your
computer
must
| also use a static address in the range he has allowed. You will also
need to
| use the same compression and security [WEP/WPA-PSK/WPA-2/whatever and
should
| be the same 64/128/etc., SSID{key}, etc. between the two - your
adapter
and
| his base transceiver, they MUST be the same. Recheck the
ENCRYPTION/SECURITY
| ISSUES and basic setup sections on my web page for details.
|
| Have you checked in the wireless base transceiver for what the
actual
| network configuration is? The 98 computer MUST be using *that*
network
| addressing range and the transciever address should/would be the
gateway
in
| your computer Belkin TCP/IP, hence the reason for running winipcfg,
to
see
| if the adapter IS attempting to communicate, and whether *your* IP
address
| is in the *wireless base transceiver* range..
|
| Any firewall between you and the transceiver MUST allow
access/talking
to
| occur. Check your computer firewall, and make sure it has the local
network
| allowance [the wireless network range]. IF you are running
Norton/Symantec
| or McAfee we need to know that specifically, and any other Anti-V,
| Anti-SpyWare, etc..
|
| --
| MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| --
| _________
|
|
| | "MEB" wrote:
| |
| | Sorry, slightly distracted. Did you check for proper TCP/IP
settings, or
| did
| | you not get that far?
| |
| | IF the card is shown, but not working properly AND you did check
the
| TCP/IP
| | and it is correct, did you check for an upgrade {BIOS} for the
device?
| |
| | Winipcfg Details {what}?
| |
| | Are you also using ICS in the system {or did you at one time?}?
| |
| | Did you try the ping diagnostics?
| |
| | --
| | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | --
| | _________
| |
| | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | ...
| | | Hello MEB,
| | |
| | | I've had some time to examine your webpage, lots of useful
stuff
on
| | | networking and problems with, but I didn't find much on
| troubleshooting
| | | adapter installation. But to answer your last questions about
the
| EXACT
| | | error message, this happens on boot-up and/or restart: Windows
| Networking
| | | window pops up...
| | | "Your network adapter Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
(0001) is
| not
| | | working properly. You may need to set it up again. For more
| information,
| | | see the Network Troubleshooter in Windows Help".
| | |
| | | You also asked what is listed in Control PanelNetworks:
| | | Client for Microsoft Networks
| | | Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
| | | Dial-Up Adapter
| | | TCP/IP-Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
| | | TCP/IP-Dial-Up Adapter
| | | and...
| | | Primary Network Logon: Windows Logon.
| | |
| | | There's no problems with the modem/router as 3 other remote
computers
| in
| | my
| | | network connect to it OK. Have we come to the end of the road?
| | |
| | | Cheers, Sandy.
| | |
| | | "MEB" wrote:
| | |
| | | Sorry, marked this for response and overlooked it. Don't get
lost in
| the
| | | page and links, it really isn't that difficult. The page is
for
| general
| | | diagnostics and information/links to other materials which
might
be
| | | informative.
| | |
| | | Post back with success or if more personal help is needed.
Good
| luck.
| | |
| | | --
| | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | | --
| | | _________
| | |
| | | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | | ...
| | | | Hi MEB,
| | | |
| | | | Gosh! You've given me a lot to look at & explore. Give me
some
| time
| | to
| | | | study all this and then I'll come back to you. Thanks.
| | | |
| | | | All the best,
| | | |
| | | | Sandy.
| | | |
| | | | "MEB" wrote:
| | | |
| | | |
| | | |
| | | | "Sandy" wrote in
message
| | | |
...
| | | | | Good morning MEB and everybody else!
| | | | |
| | | | | OK some success. After going through the procedures we
spoke
| | about
| | | last
| | | | | week over the week-end, yes the NIC is now recognized
| properly,
| | yes
| | | the
| | | | | drivers finally loaded successfully, but no, Windows
says
| "there
| | is a
| | | | problem
| | | | | with my NIC" on restart go & "run the troubleshooter"!
As
if
| I
| | didn't

Well, I think we pretty much agree. I would like to have known if the
adapter was picked up [broadcasting] to the rest of the network, but there
appears to be other issues within Sandy's system. I admit my memory is also
a bit vague [and getting worse every day].
Yeah, you are right, there can be numerous issues with any of these
wireless adapters, particularly in 98, though LinkSys *was* apparently a
more successful pick. And I have to admit, since wireless is so insecure,
that I avoid recommending or installing them, what with all the sniffer/hack
tools readily available [free RADIUS, KARMA, etc.], they just aren't a good
idea. Radio signal broadcasts just aren't secure for anything that might be
considered as a network, unless of course, you're the government/military
and a hack brings substantial prison time..

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

"Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message
...
| As for whether or not the NIC installed properly and drivers, etc., when
it
| comes to *wireless* cards, MEB, I don't think you can necessarily call
that
| "wrong". It may be *another* part of the wireless system that isn't
| functioning properly. And, as I said, WINIPCFG, to the best of my
knowledge,
| doesn't see wireless adapters. But I may be wrong, I've only once worked
| with a new wireless adapter in a 98 machine, and the memory is a bit
vague.
|
| But I agree, the unit should be returned and a new one tried. Even a
| Linksys.
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| www.grystmill.com
|
| "MEB" meb@not wrote in message
| ...
| "Sandy" wrote in message
| ...
| | MEB, Gary,
| |
| | Right, I've revisited some of the points made earlier. I actually
have
| the
| | modem/router in my property which my son & I setup together, inputting
| all
| | the MAC addresses of all PC's & security settings - reasonably
| | straightforward on an Netgear and works well. I ran winipcfg and
noted
| my
| | wireless adapter not even listed so there was no point in going any
| further
| | with that one. I checked with Belkin for any firmware revisions but,
as
| | suspected, there's no flash 'bios' as such on the card... all done
| through
| | inf. & sys. files in the installation software.
| |
| | Which brings me onto Gary's point. I've now retried versions 1
through
| 3
| of
| | the Belkin application software/drivers using the procedures that
worked
| in
| | getting the drivers to install, and the same error message appears
every
| time
| | on restart that I mentioned in my last post. When opening the
"Utility"
| | software I get the consistent message: "Incompatible driver version.
| Unable
| | to load application", then the Belkin utility window opens with "No
| adapters"
| | on the tab. Now, you can't tell me that 3 versions of drivers are all
| | duff... incompatible! To me this is evidence of a duff card and goes
| back
| to
| | the point I made originally about the ver.no. on the card ending in
"ec"
| &
| | not "uk". If you go to the following link:
| |
|
http://www.belkin.com/uk/support/art...uk&aid=6199&sc
| id=0
| | you'll notice the picture shows this at the end of the model number
| 'F5D7000'
| | and all the software/drivers also end in 'uk' & not 'ec'. I believe
| I've
| got
| | a card designed for European use & not UK use. I raised this with
| Belkin
| but
| | they wouldn't comment. At this point in time I really cannot see the
| problem
| | being anything else than this, after exploring all other issues. Am I
| right?
| |
| | Sandy.
|
| Could very well be, but I'm not sure why it would.. having tried the
| corrections [and you have tried them all apparently] I would go more for
a
| bad adapter.
| Searching Google for that particular model [ec] only turns up this
| discussion... winipcfg showing nothing is not good... and the Belkin
| software also unable to find it really is not good. But it doesn't
matter,
| if you bought the card, and contacted Belkin concerning it shortly after
| purchase, then you have the material [the contacts] to request a
| replacement
| from Belkin. Another possibility: If the purchase was recent enough, try
| to
| return it to the store where purchased.
|
| Uhm, however, let's get this straight, you posted:
| "OK some success. After going through the procedures we spoke about
last
| week over the week-end, yes the NIC is now recognized properly, yes the
| drivers finally loaded successfully, but no, Windows says "there is a
| problem
| with my NIC" on restart go & "run the troubleshooter"! As if I didn't
do
| that in the first place!"
|
| So in actuality, that wasn't correct, right [sorry we can only work with
| what you present us] the NIC wasn't properly installed/recognized and
the
| drivers didn't load properly. Just a correction, as these posts are
| referenced by others.
|
| As you have spent a large amount of time, I would re-contact Belkin and
| tell them you need a new card [you have tried everything, have contacted
| them, and the card does NOT work]. If you have another card around or
can
| borrow one, try that to see if it connects. Then you can point this out
to
| Belkin as well.
|
| BTW: going through and beyond the first few pages Google shows, does
turn
| up
| some rather poor ratings for that adapter.
|
| --
| MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| --
| _________
|
|
| |
| | "MEB" wrote:
| |
| |
| |
| | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | ...
| | | Hi MEB, good to hear from you... yes, as far as I'm aware, my
TCP/IP
| | settings
| | | are right. As far as the BIOS upgrade for the Belkin... I didn't
| know
| | there
| | | was one, I'll check. I haven't gone down the road of pinging or
| running
| | | winipcfg as I thought the adapter had to be working first??? And
| finally
| | no,
| | | I don't use ICS as the other computers belong to my son next door
so
| we
| | have
| | | no need to share files etc.!
| | | Cheers, Sandy.
| | |
| |
| | Okay, No ICS entries that might have conflicted.
| |
| | Are the other wireless connected computers able to SEE your problem
| 98
| | computer {does it appear anywhere in your son's actual network [if
he
| is
| the
| | one with the wireless base unit]}?
| |
| |
| | What Gary is suggesting is, that the adapter MIGHT be installed,
but
| the
| | adapter in the 98 box is not connecting to the network, which will
| cause
| a
| | network error. Errors like you are receiving can also occur [after
an
| | install] because the adapter can not connect to the network, hence
it
| is
| an
| | error.
| | What you have posted is that the adapter "apparently" IS installed
| [or
| at
| | least shown in the Network configuration].
| | AS YOU POSTED:
| | Client for Microsoft Networks
| | Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
| | Dial-Up Adapter
| | TCP/IP-Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
| | TCP/IP-Dial-Up Adapter
| | and...
| | Primary Network Logon: Windows Logon.
| |
| |
| | I use your "son as" the identifier below, but it refers to whoever
has
| the
| | base transceiver and the actual unit.
| | Your son MUST add your computer to his network or allow that
address
| in
| the
| | acceptable range OR you must be using the address range he has
allowed
| or is
| | using as his network. If he setup static addressing then your
computer
| must
| | also use a static address in the range he has allowed. You will also
| need to
| | use the same compression and security [WEP/WPA-PSK/WPA-2/whatever
and
| should
| | be the same 64/128/etc., SSID{key}, etc. between the two - your
| adapter
| and
| | his base transceiver, they MUST be the same. Recheck the
| ENCRYPTION/SECURITY
| | ISSUES and basic setup sections on my web page for details.
| |
| | Have you checked in the wireless base transceiver for what the
actual
| | network configuration is? The 98 computer MUST be using *that*
network
| | addressing range and the transciever address should/would be the
| gateway
| in
| | your computer Belkin TCP/IP, hence the reason for running winipcfg,
to
| see
| | if the adapter IS attempting to communicate, and whether *your* IP
| address
| | is in the *wireless base transceiver* range..
| |
| | Any firewall between you and the transceiver MUST allow
| access/talking
| to
| | occur. Check your computer firewall, and make sure it has the local
| network
| | allowance [the wireless network range]. IF you are running
| Norton/Symantec
| | or McAfee we need to know that specifically, and any other Anti-V,
| | Anti-SpyWare, etc..
| |
| | --
| | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | --
| | _________
| |
| |
| | | "MEB" wrote:
| | |
| | | Sorry, slightly distracted. Did you check for proper TCP/IP
| settings, or
| | did
| | | you not get that far?
| | |
| | | IF the card is shown, but not working properly AND you did
check
| the
| | TCP/IP
| | | and it is correct, did you check for an upgrade {BIOS} for the
| device?
| | |
| | | Winipcfg Details {what}?
| | |
| | | Are you also using ICS in the system {or did you at one time?}?
| | |
| | | Did you try the ping diagnostics?
| | |
| | | --
| | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | | --
| | | _________
| | |
| | | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | | ...
| | | | Hello MEB,
| | | |
| | | | I've had some time to examine your webpage, lots of useful
stuff
| on
| | | | networking and problems with, but I didn't find much on
| | troubleshooting
| | | | adapter installation. But to answer your last questions about
| the
| | EXACT
| | | | error message, this happens on boot-up and/or restart:
Windows
| | Networking
| | | | window pops up...
| | | | "Your network adapter Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
| (0001) is
| | not
| | | | working properly. You may need to set it up again. For more
| | information,
| | | | see the Network Troubleshooter in Windows Help".
| | | |
| | | | You also asked what is listed in Control PanelNetworks:
| | | | Client for Microsoft Networks
| | | | Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
| | | | Dial-Up Adapter
| | | | TCP/IP-Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
| | | | TCP/IP-Dial-Up Adapter
| | | | and...
| | | | Primary Network Logon: Windows Logon.
| | | |
| | | | There's no problems with the modem/router as 3 other remote
| computers
| | in
| | | my
| | | | network connect to it OK. Have we come to the end of the
road?
| | | |
| | | | Cheers, Sandy.
| | | |
| | | | "MEB" wrote:
| | | |
| | | | Sorry, marked this for response and overlooked it. Don't get
| lost in
| | the
| | | | page and links, it really isn't that difficult. The page is
| for
| | general
| | | | diagnostics and information/links to other materials which
| might
| be
| | | | informative.
| | | |
| | | | Post back with success or if more personal help is needed.
| Good
| | luck.
| | | |
| | | | --
| | | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | | | --
| | | | _________
| | | |
| | | | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | | | ...
| | | | | Hi MEB,
| | | | |
| | | | | Gosh! You've given me a lot to look at & explore. Give me
| some
| | time
| | | to
| | | | | study all this and then I'll come back to you. Thanks.
| | | | |
| | | | | All the best,
| | | | |
| | | | | Sandy.
| | | | |
| | | | | "MEB" wrote:
| | | | |
| | | | |
| | | | |
| | | | | "Sandy" wrote in
message
| | | | |
...
| | | | | | Good morning MEB and everybody else!
| | | | | |
| | | | | | OK some success. After going through the procedures
we
| spoke
| | | about
| | | | last
| | | | | | week over the week-end, yes the NIC is now recognized
| | properly,
| | | yes
| | | | the
| | | | | | drivers finally loaded successfully, but no, Windows
| says
| | "there
| | | is a
| | | | | problem
| | | | | | with my NIC" on restart go & "run the troubleshooter"!
| As
| if
| | I
| | | didn't
| | | | do
| | | | | | that in the first place!
| | | | | |
| | | | | | I have to say I think that this final message would
| rather
| | | indicate a
| | | | | faulty
| | | | | | card which may account for all the difficulties. What
| do
| you
| | | think?
| | | | | |
| | | | | | Regards, Sandy.
| | | | | |
| | | | |
| | | | | What is the EXACT error message and what is now shown
in
| | Control
| | | Panel
| | | |
| | | | | Network. {NIC adapter {Belkin 54g wireless}}
| | | | |
| | | | | What you're looking for is TCP/IP set for Obtain IP
| | automatically,
| | | no
| | | | | Gateway, no WINS, and other *INITIALLY*.
| | | | | HOWEVER, as this is part of a wireless network, the
rest
| of
| the
| | | network
| | | | | must be found. RUN * winipcfg * in the Start RUN box.
| | | | | What is the address for your base unit/wireless router?
| | | | |
| | | | | Here's a general network diagnostic/setup page:
| | | | |
| | http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/re...NETWORKING.htm
| | | | |
| | | | | --
| | | | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | | | | --
| | | | | _________
| | | | |
| | | | | | "MEB" wrote:
| | | | | |
| | | | | | Okay, please keep us informed.
| | | | | |
| | | | | | --
| | | | | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | | | | | --
| | | | | | _________
| | | | | |
| | | | | | "Sandy" wrote in
| message
| | | | | |
| ...
| | | | | | | Gosh... more stuff to think about! Thanks for
that
| MEB.
| | I'll
| | | | have a
| | | | | go
| | | | | | of
| | | | | | | your suggestions over the week-end and see what
| happens.
| | I'll
| | | | come
| | | | | back
| | | | | | to
| | | | | | | you next week. See you then.
| | | | | | |
| | | | | | | Sandy.
| | | | | | |
| | | | | | | "MEB" wrote:
| | | | | | |
| | | | | | |
| | | | | | | "Sandy" wrote
in
| | message
| | | | | | |
| | ...
| | | | | | | | Morning MEB (it is for me!),
| | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | | Thanks for your reply... lots of stuff for me
to
| get
| | my
| | | head
| | | | | round!
| | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | | The only INF files I removed were the folders
| listed
| | as
| | | Belkin
| | | | &
| | | | | | Broadcom,
| | | | | | | | no others.
| | | | | | |
| | | | | | | Okay, that was important, we now can focus on
| other
| | | potentials.
| | | | | | |
| | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | |
| | http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp -
| | | was
| | | | the
| | | | | | technique
| | | | | | | you
| | | | | | | | used similar to this?
| | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | | Just printed this off - useful stuff here,
| thanks.
| | Yes
| | | sort
| | | | off
| | | | | in my
| | | | | | | | fumbling way trying to muddle through. There
| are
| some
| | | extra
| | | | steps
| | | | | I
| | | | | | can
| | | | | | | try
| | | | | | | | but what is really useful is I can follow
| through
| in a
| | | logical
| | | | | | sequence.
| | | | | | | | However, looking at the points between steps
15
| &
| 16
| | ( I
| | | was
| | | | | having
| | | | | | | another
| | | | | | | | go last night whilst waiting for this post), I
| noticed
| | the
| | | | card
| | | | | was
| | | | | | not
| | | | | | | | identified. However, I will go through
| Netgears'
| | sequence
| | | now
| | | | | I've
| | | | | | got it
|
|
|

Well, I think we pretty much agree. I would like to have known if the
adapter was picked up [broadcasting] to the rest of the network, but there
appears to be other issues within Sandy's system. I admit my memory is also
a bit vague [and getting worse every day].
Yeah, you are right, there can be numerous issues with any of these
wireless adapters, particularly in 98, though LinkSys *was* apparently a
more successful pick. And I have to admit, since wireless is so insecure,
that I avoid recommending or installing them, what with all the sniffer/hack
tools readily available [free RADIUS, KARMA, etc.], they just aren't a good
idea. Radio signal broadcasts just aren't secure for anything that might be
considered as a network, unless of course, you're the government/military
and a hack brings substantial prison time..

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

"Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message
...
| As for whether or not the NIC installed properly and drivers, etc., when
it
| comes to *wireless* cards, MEB, I don't think you can necessarily call
that
| "wrong". It may be *another* part of the wireless system that isn't
| functioning properly. And, as I said, WINIPCFG, to the best of my
knowledge,
| doesn't see wireless adapters. But I may be wrong, I've only once worked
| with a new wireless adapter in a 98 machine, and the memory is a bit
vague.
|
| But I agree, the unit should be returned and a new one tried. Even a
| Linksys.
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| www.grystmill.com
|
| "MEB" meb@not wrote in message
| ...
| "Sandy" wrote in message
| ...
| | MEB, Gary,
| |
| | Right, I've revisited some of the points made earlier. I actually
have
| the
| | modem/router in my property which my son & I setup together, inputting
| all
| | the MAC addresses of all PC's & security settings - reasonably
| | straightforward on an Netgear and works well. I ran winipcfg and
noted
| my
| | wireless adapter not even listed so there was no point in going any
| further
| | with that one. I checked with Belkin for any firmware revisions but,
as
| | suspected, there's no flash 'bios' as such on the card... all done
| through
| | inf. & sys. files in the installation software.
| |
| | Which brings me onto Gary's point. I've now retried versions 1
through
| 3
| of
| | the Belkin application software/drivers using the procedures that
worked
| in
| | getting the drivers to install, and the same error message appears
every
| time
| | on restart that I mentioned in my last post. When opening the
"Utility"
| | software I get the consistent message: "Incompatible driver version.
| Unable
| | to load application", then the Belkin utility window opens with "No
| adapters"
| | on the tab. Now, you can't tell me that 3 versions of drivers are all
| | duff... incompatible! To me this is evidence of a duff card and goes
| back
| to
| | the point I made originally about the ver.no. on the card ending in
"ec"
| &
| | not "uk". If you go to the following link:
| |
|
http://www.belkin.com/uk/support/art...uk&aid=6199&sc
| id=0
| | you'll notice the picture shows this at the end of the model number
| 'F5D7000'
| | and all the software/drivers also end in 'uk' & not 'ec'. I believe
| I've
| got
| | a card designed for European use & not UK use. I raised this with
| Belkin
| but
| | they wouldn't comment. At this point in time I really cannot see the
| problem
| | being anything else than this, after exploring all other issues. Am I
| right?
| |
| | Sandy.
|
| Could very well be, but I'm not sure why it would.. having tried the
| corrections [and you have tried them all apparently] I would go more for
a
| bad adapter.
| Searching Google for that particular model [ec] only turns up this
| discussion... winipcfg showing nothing is not good... and the Belkin
| software also unable to find it really is not good. But it doesn't
matter,
| if you bought the card, and contacted Belkin concerning it shortly after
| purchase, then you have the material [the contacts] to request a
| replacement
| from Belkin. Another possibility: If the purchase was recent enough, try
| to
| return it to the store where purchased.
|
| Uhm, however, let's get this straight, you posted:
| "OK some success. After going through the procedures we spoke about
last
| week over the week-end, yes the NIC is now recognized properly, yes the
| drivers finally loaded successfully, but no, Windows says "there is a
| problem
| with my NIC" on restart go & "run the troubleshooter"! As if I didn't
do
| that in the first place!"
|
| So in actuality, that wasn't correct, right [sorry we can only work with
| what you present us] the NIC wasn't properly installed/recognized and
the
| drivers didn't load properly. Just a correction, as these posts are
| referenced by others.
|
| As you have spent a large amount of time, I would re-contact Belkin and
| tell them you need a new card [you have tried everything, have contacted
| them, and the card does NOT work]. If you have another card around or
can
| borrow one, try that to see if it connects. Then you can point this out
to
| Belkin as well.
|
| BTW: going through and beyond the first few pages Google shows, does
turn
| up
| some rather poor ratings for that adapter.
|
| --
| MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| --
| _________
|
|
| |
| | "MEB" wrote:
| |
| |
| |
| | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | ...
| | | Hi MEB, good to hear from you... yes, as far as I'm aware, my
TCP/IP
| | settings
| | | are right. As far as the BIOS upgrade for the Belkin... I didn't
| know
| | there
| | | was one, I'll check. I haven't gone down the road of pinging or
| running
| | | winipcfg as I thought the adapter had to be working first??? And
| finally
| | no,
| | | I don't use ICS as the other computers belong to my son next door
so
| we
| | have
| | | no need to share files etc.!
| | | Cheers, Sandy.
| | |
| |
| | Okay, No ICS entries that might have conflicted.
| |
| | Are the other wireless connected computers able to SEE your problem
| 98
| | computer {does it appear anywhere in your son's actual network [if
he
| is
| the
| | one with the wireless base unit]}?
| |
| |
| | What Gary is suggesting is, that the adapter MIGHT be installed,
but
| the
| | adapter in the 98 box is not connecting to the network, which will
| cause
| a
| | network error. Errors like you are receiving can also occur [after
an
| | install] because the adapter can not connect to the network, hence
it
| is
| an
| | error.
| | What you have posted is that the adapter "apparently" IS installed
| [or
| at
| | least shown in the Network configuration].
| | AS YOU POSTED:
| | Client for Microsoft Networks
| | Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
| | Dial-Up Adapter
| | TCP/IP-Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
| | TCP/IP-Dial-Up Adapter
| | and...
| | Primary Network Logon: Windows Logon.
| |
| |
| | I use your "son as" the identifier below, but it refers to whoever
has
| the
| | base transceiver and the actual unit.
| | Your son MUST add your computer to his network or allow that
address
| in
| the
| | acceptable range OR you must be using the address range he has
allowed
| or is
| | using as his network. If he setup static addressing then your
computer
| must
| | also use a static address in the range he has allowed. You will also
| need to
| | use the same compression and security [WEP/WPA-PSK/WPA-2/whatever
and
| should
| | be the same 64/128/etc., SSID{key}, etc. between the two - your
| adapter
| and
| | his base transceiver, they MUST be the same. Recheck the
| ENCRYPTION/SECURITY
| | ISSUES and basic setup sections on my web page for details.
| |
| | Have you checked in the wireless base transceiver for what the
actual
| | network configuration is? The 98 computer MUST be using *that*
network
| | addressing range and the transciever address should/would be the
| gateway
| in
| | your computer Belkin TCP/IP, hence the reason for running winipcfg,
to
| see
| | if the adapter IS attempting to communicate, and whether *your* IP
| address
| | is in the *wireless base transceiver* range..
| |
| | Any firewall between you and the transceiver MUST allow
| access/talking
| to
| | occur. Check your computer firewall, and make sure it has the local
| network
| | allowance [the wireless network range]. IF you are running
| Norton/Symantec
| | or McAfee we need to know that specifically, and any other Anti-V,
| | Anti-SpyWare, etc..
| |
| | --
| | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | --
| | _________
| |
| |
| | | "MEB" wrote:
| | |
| | | Sorry, slightly distracted. Did you check for proper TCP/IP
| settings, or
| | did
| | | you not get that far?
| | |
| | | IF the card is shown, but not working properly AND you did
check
| the
| | TCP/IP
| | | and it is correct, did you check for an upgrade {BIOS} for the
| device?
| | |
| | | Winipcfg Details {what}?
| | |
| | | Are you also using ICS in the system {or did you at one time?}?
| | |
| | | Did you try the ping diagnostics?
| | |
| | | --
| | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | | --
| | | _________
| | |
| | | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | | ...
| | | | Hello MEB,
| | | |
| | | | I've had some time to examine your webpage, lots of useful
stuff
| on
| | | | networking and problems with, but I didn't find much on
| | troubleshooting
| | | | adapter installation. But to answer your last questions about
| the
| | EXACT
| | | | error message, this happens on boot-up and/or restart:
Windows
| | Networking
| | | | window pops up...
| | | | "Your network adapter Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
| (0001) is
| | not
| | | | working properly. You may need to set it up again. For more
| | information,
| | | | see the Network Troubleshooter in Windows Help".
| | | |
| | | | You also asked what is listed in Control PanelNetworks:
| | | | Client for Microsoft Networks
| | | | Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
| | | | Dial-Up Adapter
| | | | TCP/IP-Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
| | | | TCP/IP-Dial-Up Adapter
| | | | and...
| | | | Primary Network Logon: Windows Logon.
| | | |
| | | | There's no problems with the modem/router as 3 other remote
| computers
| | in
| | | my
| | | | network connect to it OK. Have we come to the end of the
road?
| | | |
| | | | Cheers, Sandy.
| | | |
| | | | "MEB" wrote:
| | | |
| | | | Sorry, marked this for response and overlooked it. Don't get
| lost in
| | the
| | | | page and links, it really isn't that difficult. The page is
| for
| | general
| | | | diagnostics and information/links to other materials which
| might
| be
| | | | informative.
| | | |
| | | | Post back with success or if more personal help is needed.
| Good
| | luck.
| | | |
| | | | --
| | | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | | | --
| | | | _________
| | | |
| | | | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | | | ...
| | | | | Hi MEB,
| | | | |
| | | | | Gosh! You've given me a lot to look at & explore. Give me
| some
| | time
| | | to
| | | | | study all this and then I'll come back to you. Thanks.
| | | | |
| | | | | All the best,
| | | | |
| | | | | Sandy.
| | | | |
| | | | | "MEB" wrote:
| | | | |
| | | | |
| | | | |
| | | | | "Sandy" wrote in
message
| | | | |
...
| | | | | | Good morning MEB and everybody else!
| | | | | |
| | | | | | OK some success. After going through the procedures
we
| spoke
| | | about
| | | | last
| | | | | | week over the week-end, yes the NIC is now recognized
| | properly,
| | | yes
| | | | the
| | | | | | drivers finally loaded successfully, but no, Windows
| says
| | "there
| | | is a
| | | | | problem
| | | | | | with my NIC" on restart go & "run the troubleshooter"!
| As
| if
| | I
| | | didn't
| | | | do
| | | | | | that in the first place!
| | | | | |
| | | | | | I have to say I think that this final message would
| rather
| | | indicate a
| | | | | faulty
| | | | | | card which may account for all the difficulties. What
| do
| you
| | | think?
| | | | | |
| | | | | | Regards, Sandy.
| | | | | |
| | | | |
| | | | | What is the EXACT error message and what is now shown
in
| | Control
| | | Panel
| | | |
| | | | | Network. {NIC adapter {Belkin 54g wireless}}
| | | | |
| | | | | What you're looking for is TCP/IP set for Obtain IP
| | automatically,
| | | no
| | | | | Gateway, no WINS, and other *INITIALLY*.
| | | | | HOWEVER, as this is part of a wireless network, the
rest
| of
| the
| | | network
| | | | | must be found. RUN * winipcfg * in the Start RUN box.
| | | | | What is the address for your base unit/wireless router?
| | | | |
| | | | | Here's a general network diagnostic/setup page:
| | | | |
| | http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/re...NETWORKING.htm
| | | | |
| | | | | --
| | | | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | | | | --
| | | | | _________
| | | | |
| | | | | | "MEB" wrote:
| | | | | |
| | | | | | Okay, please keep us informed.
| | | | | |
| | | | | | --
| | | | | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | | | | | --
| | | | | | _________
| | | | | |
| | | | | | "Sandy" wrote in
| message
| | | | | |
| ...
| | | | | | | Gosh... more stuff to think about! Thanks for
that
| MEB.
| | I'll
| | | | have a
| | | | | go
| | | | | | of
| | | | | | | your suggestions over the week-end and see what
| happens.
| | I'll
| | | | come
| | | | | back
| | | | | | to
| | | | | | | you next week. See you then.
| | | | | | |
| | | | | | | Sandy.
| | | | | | |
| | | | | | | "MEB" wrote:
| | | | | | |
| | | | | | |
| | | | | | | "Sandy" wrote
in
| | message
| | | | | | |
| | ...
| | | | | | | | Morning MEB (it is for me!),
| | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | | Thanks for your reply... lots of stuff for me
to
| get
| | my
| | | head
| | | | | round!
| | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | | The only INF files I removed were the folders
| listed
| | as
| | | Belkin
| | | | &
| | | | | | Broadcom,
| | | | | | | | no others.
| | | | | | |
| | | | | | | Okay, that was important, we now can focus on
| other
| | | potentials.
| | | | | | |
| | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | |
| | http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp -
| | | was
| | | | the
| | | | | | technique
| | | | | | | you
| | | | | | | | used similar to this?
| | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | | Just printed this off - useful stuff here,
| thanks.
| | Yes
| | | sort
| | | | off
| | | | | in my
| | | | | | | | fumbling way trying to muddle through. There
| are
| some
| | | extra
| | | | steps
| | | | | I
| | | | | | can
| | | | | | | try
| | | | | | | | but what is really useful is I can follow
| through
| in a
| | | logical
| | | | | | sequence.
| | | | | | | | However, looking at the points between steps
15
| &
| 16
| | ( I
| | | was
| | | | | having
| | | | | | | another
| | | | | | | | go last night whilst waiting for this post), I
| noticed
| | the
| | | | card
| | | | | was
| | | | | | not
| | | | | | | | identified. However, I will go through
| Netgears'
| | sequence
| | | now
| | | | | I've
| | | | | | got it
|
|
|

Hi MEB & Gary,
Just thought you'd like to know that following our thread a while back,
there was sufficient ammo to hit Belkin with, and after some persuasion they
reluctantly agreed to replace the NIC. I received this yesterday and
installed it and, guess what, absolutely no problem! What a merry dance!!
So once again, thanks ever so much to you guys for all your support and
back-up over the months.

All the best,

Sandy.

"MEB" wrote:

Well, I think we pretty much agree. I would like to have known if the
adapter was picked up [broadcasting] to the rest of the network, but there
appears to be other issues within Sandy's system. I admit my memory is also
a bit vague [and getting worse every day].
Yeah, you are right, there can be numerous issues with any of these
wireless adapters, particularly in 98, though LinkSys *was* apparently a
more successful pick. And I have to admit, since wireless is so insecure,
that I avoid recommending or installing them, what with all the sniffer/hack
tools readily available [free RADIUS, KARMA, etc.], they just aren't a good
idea. Radio signal broadcasts just aren't secure for anything that might be
considered as a network, unless of course, you're the government/military
and a hack brings substantial prison time..

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

"Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message
...
| As for whether or not the NIC installed properly and drivers, etc., when
it
| comes to *wireless* cards, MEB, I don't think you can necessarily call
that
| "wrong". It may be *another* part of the wireless system that isn't
| functioning properly. And, as I said, WINIPCFG, to the best of my
knowledge,
| doesn't see wireless adapters. But I may be wrong, I've only once worked
| with a new wireless adapter in a 98 machine, and the memory is a bit
vague.
|
| But I agree, the unit should be returned and a new one tried. Even a
| Linksys.
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| www.grystmill.com
|
| "MEB" meb@not wrote in message
| ...
| "Sandy" wrote in message
| ...
| | MEB, Gary,
| |
| | Right, I've revisited some of the points made earlier. I actually
have
| the
| | modem/router in my property which my son & I setup together, inputting
| all
| | the MAC addresses of all PC's & security settings - reasonably
| | straightforward on an Netgear and works well. I ran winipcfg and
noted
| my
| | wireless adapter not even listed so there was no point in going any
| further
| | with that one. I checked with Belkin for any firmware revisions but,
as
| | suspected, there's no flash 'bios' as such on the card... all done
| through
| | inf. & sys. files in the installation software.
| |
| | Which brings me onto Gary's point. I've now retried versions 1
through
| 3
| of
| | the Belkin application software/drivers using the procedures that
worked
| in
| | getting the drivers to install, and the same error message appears
every
| time
| | on restart that I mentioned in my last post. When opening the
"Utility"
| | software I get the consistent message: "Incompatible driver version.
| Unable
| | to load application", then the Belkin utility window opens with "No
| adapters"
| | on the tab. Now, you can't tell me that 3 versions of drivers are all
| | duff... incompatible! To me this is evidence of a duff card and goes
| back
| to
| | the point I made originally about the ver.no. on the card ending in
"ec"
| &
| | not "uk". If you go to the following link:
| |
|
http://www.belkin.com/uk/support/art...uk&aid=6199&sc
| id=0
| | you'll notice the picture shows this at the end of the model number
| 'F5D7000'
| | and all the software/drivers also end in 'uk' & not 'ec'. I believe
| I've
| got
| | a card designed for European use & not UK use. I raised this with
| Belkin
| but
| | they wouldn't comment. At this point in time I really cannot see the
| problem
| | being anything else than this, after exploring all other issues. Am I
| right?
| |
| | Sandy.
|
| Could very well be, but I'm not sure why it would.. having tried the
| corrections [and you have tried them all apparently] I would go more for
a
| bad adapter.
| Searching Google for that particular model [ec] only turns up this
| discussion... winipcfg showing nothing is not good... and the Belkin
| software also unable to find it really is not good. But it doesn't
matter,
| if you bought the card, and contacted Belkin concerning it shortly after
| purchase, then you have the material [the contacts] to request a
| replacement
| from Belkin. Another possibility: If the purchase was recent enough, try
| to
| return it to the store where purchased.
|
| Uhm, however, let's get this straight, you posted:
| "OK some success. After going through the procedures we spoke about
last
| week over the week-end, yes the NIC is now recognized properly, yes the
| drivers finally loaded successfully, but no, Windows says "there is a
| problem
| with my NIC" on restart go & "run the troubleshooter"! As if I didn't
do
| that in the first place!"
|
| So in actuality, that wasn't correct, right [sorry we can only work with
| what you present us] the NIC wasn't properly installed/recognized and
the
| drivers didn't load properly. Just a correction, as these posts are
| referenced by others.
|
| As you have spent a large amount of time, I would re-contact Belkin and
| tell them you need a new card [you have tried everything, have contacted
| them, and the card does NOT work]. If you have another card around or
can
| borrow one, try that to see if it connects. Then you can point this out
to
| Belkin as well.
|
| BTW: going through and beyond the first few pages Google shows, does
turn
| up
| some rather poor ratings for that adapter.
|
| --
| MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| --
| _________
|
|
| |
| | "MEB" wrote:
| |
| |
| |
| | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | ...
| | | Hi MEB, good to hear from you... yes, as far as I'm aware, my
TCP/IP
| | settings
| | | are right. As far as the BIOS upgrade for the Belkin... I didn't
| know
| | there
| | | was one, I'll check. I haven't gone down the road of pinging or
| running
| | | winipcfg as I thought the adapter had to be working first??? And
| finally
| | no,
| | | I don't use ICS as the other computers belong to my son next door
so
| we
| | have
| | | no need to share files etc.!
| | | Cheers, Sandy.
| | |
| |
| | Okay, No ICS entries that might have conflicted.
| |
| | Are the other wireless connected computers able to SEE your problem
| 98
| | computer {does it appear anywhere in your son's actual network [if
he
| is
| the
| | one with the wireless base unit]}?
| |
| |
| | What Gary is suggesting is, that the adapter MIGHT be installed,
but
| the
| | adapter in the 98 box is not connecting to the network, which will
| cause
| a
| | network error. Errors like you are receiving can also occur [after
an
| | install] because the adapter can not connect to the network, hence
it
| is
| an
| | error.
| | What you have posted is that the adapter "apparently" IS installed
| [or
| at
| | least shown in the Network configuration].
| | AS YOU POSTED:
| | Client for Microsoft Networks
| | Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
| | Dial-Up Adapter
| | TCP/IP-Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
| | TCP/IP-Dial-Up Adapter
| | and...
| | Primary Network Logon: Windows Logon.
| |
| |
| | I use your "son as" the identifier below, but it refers to whoever
has
| the
| | base transceiver and the actual unit.
| | Your son MUST add your computer to his network or allow that
address
| in
| the
| | acceptable range OR you must be using the address range he has
allowed
| or is
| | using as his network. If he setup static addressing then your
computer
| must
| | also use a static address in the range he has allowed. You will also
| need to
| | use the same compression and security [WEP/WPA-PSK/WPA-2/whatever
and
| should
| | be the same 64/128/etc., SSID{key}, etc. between the two - your
| adapter
| and
| | his base transceiver, they MUST be the same. Recheck the
| ENCRYPTION/SECURITY
| | ISSUES and basic setup sections on my web page for details.
| |
| | Have you checked in the wireless base transceiver for what the
actual
| | network configuration is? The 98 computer MUST be using *that*
network
| | addressing range and the transciever address should/would be the
| gateway
| in
| | your computer Belkin TCP/IP, hence the reason for running winipcfg,
to
| see
| | if the adapter IS attempting to communicate, and whether *your* IP
| address
| | is in the *wireless base transceiver* range..
| |
| | Any firewall between you and the transceiver MUST allow
| access/talking
| to
| | occur. Check your computer firewall, and make sure it has the local
| network
| | allowance [the wireless network range]. IF you are running
| Norton/Symantec
| | or McAfee we need to know that specifically, and any other Anti-V,
| | Anti-SpyWare, etc..
| |
| | --
| | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | --
| | _________
| |
| |
| | | "MEB" wrote:
| | |
| | | Sorry, slightly distracted. Did you check for proper TCP/IP
| settings, or
| | did
| | | you not get that far?
| | |
| | | IF the card is shown, but not working properly AND you did
check
| the
| | TCP/IP
| | | and it is correct, did you check for an upgrade {BIOS} for the
| device?
| | |
| | | Winipcfg Details {what}?
| | |
| | | Are you also using ICS in the system {or did you at one time?}?
| | |
| | | Did you try the ping diagnostics?
| | |
| | | --
| | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | | --
| | | _________
| | |

Hi MEB & Gary,
Just thought you'd like to know that following our thread a while back,
there was sufficient ammo to hit Belkin with, and after some persuasion they
reluctantly agreed to replace the NIC. I received this yesterday and
installed it and, guess what, absolutely no problem! What a merry dance!!
So once again, thanks ever so much to you guys for all your support and
back-up over the months.

All the best,

Sandy.

"MEB" wrote:

Well, I think we pretty much agree. I would like to have known if the
adapter was picked up [broadcasting] to the rest of the network, but there
appears to be other issues within Sandy's system. I admit my memory is also
a bit vague [and getting worse every day].
Yeah, you are right, there can be numerous issues with any of these
wireless adapters, particularly in 98, though LinkSys *was* apparently a
more successful pick. And I have to admit, since wireless is so insecure,
that I avoid recommending or installing them, what with all the sniffer/hack
tools readily available [free RADIUS, KARMA, etc.], they just aren't a good
idea. Radio signal broadcasts just aren't secure for anything that might be
considered as a network, unless of course, you're the government/military
and a hack brings substantial prison time..

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

"Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message
...
| As for whether or not the NIC installed properly and drivers, etc., when
it
| comes to *wireless* cards, MEB, I don't think you can necessarily call
that
| "wrong". It may be *another* part of the wireless system that isn't
| functioning properly. And, as I said, WINIPCFG, to the best of my
knowledge,
| doesn't see wireless adapters. But I may be wrong, I've only once worked
| with a new wireless adapter in a 98 machine, and the memory is a bit
vague.
|
| But I agree, the unit should be returned and a new one tried. Even a
| Linksys.
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| www.grystmill.com
|
| "MEB" meb@not wrote in message
| ...
| "Sandy" wrote in message
| ...
| | MEB, Gary,
| |
| | Right, I've revisited some of the points made earlier. I actually
have
| the
| | modem/router in my property which my son & I setup together, inputting
| all
| | the MAC addresses of all PC's & security settings - reasonably
| | straightforward on an Netgear and works well. I ran winipcfg and
noted
| my
| | wireless adapter not even listed so there was no point in going any
| further
| | with that one. I checked with Belkin for any firmware revisions but,
as
| | suspected, there's no flash 'bios' as such on the card... all done
| through
| | inf. & sys. files in the installation software.
| |
| | Which brings me onto Gary's point. I've now retried versions 1
through
| 3
| of
| | the Belkin application software/drivers using the procedures that
worked
| in
| | getting the drivers to install, and the same error message appears
every
| time
| | on restart that I mentioned in my last post. When opening the
"Utility"
| | software I get the consistent message: "Incompatible driver version.
| Unable
| | to load application", then the Belkin utility window opens with "No
| adapters"
| | on the tab. Now, you can't tell me that 3 versions of drivers are all
| | duff... incompatible! To me this is evidence of a duff card and goes
| back
| to
| | the point I made originally about the ver.no. on the card ending in
"ec"
| &
| | not "uk". If you go to the following link:
| |
|
http://www.belkin.com/uk/support/art...uk&aid=6199&sc
| id=0
| | you'll notice the picture shows this at the end of the model number
| 'F5D7000'
| | and all the software/drivers also end in 'uk' & not 'ec'. I believe
| I've
| got
| | a card designed for European use & not UK use. I raised this with
| Belkin
| but
| | they wouldn't comment. At this point in time I really cannot see the
| problem
| | being anything else than this, after exploring all other issues. Am I
| right?
| |
| | Sandy.
|
| Could very well be, but I'm not sure why it would.. having tried the
| corrections [and you have tried them all apparently] I would go more for
a
| bad adapter.
| Searching Google for that particular model [ec] only turns up this
| discussion... winipcfg showing nothing is not good... and the Belkin
| software also unable to find it really is not good. But it doesn't
matter,
| if you bought the card, and contacted Belkin concerning it shortly after
| purchase, then you have the material [the contacts] to request a
| replacement
| from Belkin. Another possibility: If the purchase was recent enough, try
| to
| return it to the store where purchased.
|
| Uhm, however, let's get this straight, you posted:
| "OK some success. After going through the procedures we spoke about
last
| week over the week-end, yes the NIC is now recognized properly, yes the
| drivers finally loaded successfully, but no, Windows says "there is a
| problem
| with my NIC" on restart go & "run the troubleshooter"! As if I didn't
do
| that in the first place!"
|
| So in actuality, that wasn't correct, right [sorry we can only work with
| what you present us] the NIC wasn't properly installed/recognized and
the
| drivers didn't load properly. Just a correction, as these posts are
| referenced by others.
|
| As you have spent a large amount of time, I would re-contact Belkin and
| tell them you need a new card [you have tried everything, have contacted
| them, and the card does NOT work]. If you have another card around or
can
| borrow one, try that to see if it connects. Then you can point this out
to
| Belkin as well.
|
| BTW: going through and beyond the first few pages Google shows, does
turn
| up
| some rather poor ratings for that adapter.
|
| --
| MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| --
| _________
|
|
| |
| | "MEB" wrote:
| |
| |
| |
| | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | ...
| | | Hi MEB, good to hear from you... yes, as far as I'm aware, my
TCP/IP
| | settings
| | | are right. As far as the BIOS upgrade for the Belkin... I didn't
| know
| | there
| | | was one, I'll check. I haven't gone down the road of pinging or
| running
| | | winipcfg as I thought the adapter had to be working first??? And
| finally
| | no,
| | | I don't use ICS as the other computers belong to my son next door
so
| we
| | have
| | | no need to share files etc.!
| | | Cheers, Sandy.
| | |
| |
| | Okay, No ICS entries that might have conflicted.
| |
| | Are the other wireless connected computers able to SEE your problem
| 98
| | computer {does it appear anywhere in your son's actual network [if
he
| is
| the
| | one with the wireless base unit]}?
| |
| |
| | What Gary is suggesting is, that the adapter MIGHT be installed,
but
| the
| | adapter in the 98 box is not connecting to the network, which will
| cause
| a
| | network error. Errors like you are receiving can also occur [after
an
| | install] because the adapter can not connect to the network, hence
it
| is
| an
| | error.
| | What you have posted is that the adapter "apparently" IS installed
| [or
| at
| | least shown in the Network configuration].
| | AS YOU POSTED:
| | Client for Microsoft Networks
| | Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
| | Dial-Up Adapter
| | TCP/IP-Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
| | TCP/IP-Dial-Up Adapter
| | and...
| | Primary Network Logon: Windows Logon.
| |
| |
| | I use your "son as" the identifier below, but it refers to whoever
has
| the
| | base transceiver and the actual unit.
| | Your son MUST add your computer to his network or allow that
address
| in
| the
| | acceptable range OR you must be using the address range he has
allowed
| or is
| | using as his network. If he setup static addressing then your
computer
| must
| | also use a static address in the range he has allowed. You will also
| need to
| | use the same compression and security [WEP/WPA-PSK/WPA-2/whatever
and
| should
| | be the same 64/128/etc., SSID{key}, etc. between the two - your
| adapter
| and
| | his base transceiver, they MUST be the same. Recheck the
| ENCRYPTION/SECURITY
| | ISSUES and basic setup sections on my web page for details.
| |
| | Have you checked in the wireless base transceiver for what the
actual
| | network configuration is? The 98 computer MUST be using *that*
network
| | addressing range and the transciever address should/would be the
| gateway
| in
| | your computer Belkin TCP/IP, hence the reason for running winipcfg,
to
| see
| | if the adapter IS attempting to communicate, and whether *your* IP
| address
| | is in the *wireless base transceiver* range..
| |
| | Any firewall between you and the transceiver MUST allow
| access/talking
| to
| | occur. Check your computer firewall, and make sure it has the local
| network
| | allowance [the wireless network range]. IF you are running
| Norton/Symantec
| | or McAfee we need to know that specifically, and any other Anti-V,
| | Anti-SpyWare, etc..
| |
| | --
| | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | --
| | _________
| |
| |
| | | "MEB" wrote:
| | |
| | | Sorry, slightly distracted. Did you check for proper TCP/IP
| settings, or
| | did
| | | you not get that far?
| | |
| | | IF the card is shown, but not working properly AND you did
check
| the
| | TCP/IP
| | | and it is correct, did you check for an upgrade {BIOS} for the
| device?
| | |
| | | Winipcfg Details {what}?
| | |
| | | Are you also using ICS in the system {or did you at one time?}?
| | |
| | | Did you try the ping diagnostics?
| | |
| | | --
| | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | | --
| | | _________
| | |

Good news! Thanks for the update.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Sandy" wrote in message
...
Hi MEB & Gary,
Just thought you'd like to know that following our thread a while back,
there was sufficient ammo to hit Belkin with, and after some persuasion
they
reluctantly agreed to replace the NIC. I received this yesterday and
installed it and, guess what, absolutely no problem! What a merry dance!!
So once again, thanks ever so much to you guys for all your support and
back-up over the months.

All the best,

Sandy.

"MEB" wrote:

Well, I think we pretty much agree. I would like to have known if the
adapter was picked up [broadcasting] to the rest of the network, but
there
appears to be other issues within Sandy's system. I admit my memory is
also
a bit vague [and getting worse every day].
Yeah, you are right, there can be numerous issues with any of these
wireless adapters, particularly in 98, though LinkSys *was* apparently a
more successful pick. And I have to admit, since wireless is so insecure,
that I avoid recommending or installing them, what with all the
sniffer/hack
tools readily available [free RADIUS, KARMA, etc.], they just aren't a
good
idea. Radio signal broadcasts just aren't secure for anything that might
be
considered as a network, unless of course, you're the government/military
and a hack brings substantial prison time..

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

"Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message
...
| As for whether or not the NIC installed properly and drivers, etc.,
when
it
| comes to *wireless* cards, MEB, I don't think you can necessarily call
that
| "wrong". It may be *another* part of the wireless system that isn't
| functioning properly. And, as I said, WINIPCFG, to the best of my
knowledge,
| doesn't see wireless adapters. But I may be wrong, I've only once
worked
| with a new wireless adapter in a 98 machine, and the memory is a bit
vague.
|
| But I agree, the unit should be returned and a new one tried. Even a
| Linksys.
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| www.grystmill.com
|
| "MEB" meb@not wrote in message
| ...
| "Sandy" wrote in message
| ...
| | MEB, Gary,
| |
| | Right, I've revisited some of the points made earlier. I actually
have
| the
| | modem/router in my property which my son & I setup together,
inputting
| all
| | the MAC addresses of all PC's & security settings - reasonably
| | straightforward on an Netgear and works well. I ran winipcfg and
noted
| my
| | wireless adapter not even listed so there was no point in going any
| further
| | with that one. I checked with Belkin for any firmware revisions
but,
as
| | suspected, there's no flash 'bios' as such on the card... all done
| through
| | inf. & sys. files in the installation software.
| |
| | Which brings me onto Gary's point. I've now retried versions 1
through
| 3
| of
| | the Belkin application software/drivers using the procedures that
worked
| in
| | getting the drivers to install, and the same error message appears
every
| time
| | on restart that I mentioned in my last post. When opening the
"Utility"
| | software I get the consistent message: "Incompatible driver
version.
| Unable
| | to load application", then the Belkin utility window opens with "No
| adapters"
| | on the tab. Now, you can't tell me that 3 versions of drivers are
all
| | duff... incompatible! To me this is evidence of a duff card and
goes
| back
| to
| | the point I made originally about the ver.no. on the card ending in
"ec"
| &
| | not "uk". If you go to the following link:
| |
|
http://www.belkin.com/uk/support/art...uk&aid=6199&sc
| id=0
| | you'll notice the picture shows this at the end of the model number
| 'F5D7000'
| | and all the software/drivers also end in 'uk' & not 'ec'. I
believe
| I've
| got
| | a card designed for European use & not UK use. I raised this with
| Belkin
| but
| | they wouldn't comment. At this point in time I really cannot see
the
| problem
| | being anything else than this, after exploring all other issues.
Am I
| right?
| |
| | Sandy.
|
| Could very well be, but I'm not sure why it would.. having tried the
| corrections [and you have tried them all apparently] I would go more
for
a
| bad adapter.
| Searching Google for that particular model [ec] only turns up this
| discussion... winipcfg showing nothing is not good... and the Belkin
| software also unable to find it really is not good. But it doesn't
matter,
| if you bought the card, and contacted Belkin concerning it shortly
after
| purchase, then you have the material [the contacts] to request a
| replacement
| from Belkin. Another possibility: If the purchase was recent enough,
try
| to
| return it to the store where purchased.
|
| Uhm, however, let's get this straight, you posted:
| "OK some success. After going through the procedures we spoke about
last
| week over the week-end, yes the NIC is now recognized properly, yes
the
| drivers finally loaded successfully, but no, Windows says "there is a
| problem
| with my NIC" on restart go & "run the troubleshooter"! As if I
didn't
do
| that in the first place!"
|
| So in actuality, that wasn't correct, right [sorry we can only work
with
| what you present us] the NIC wasn't properly installed/recognized and
the
| drivers didn't load properly. Just a correction, as these posts are
| referenced by others.
|
| As you have spent a large amount of time, I would re-contact Belkin
and
| tell them you need a new card [you have tried everything, have
contacted
| them, and the card does NOT work]. If you have another card around or
can
| borrow one, try that to see if it connects. Then you can point this
out
to
| Belkin as well.
|
| BTW: going through and beyond the first few pages Google shows, does
turn
| up
| some rather poor ratings for that adapter.
|
| --
| MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| --
| _________
|
|
| |
| | "MEB" wrote:
| |
| |
| |
| | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | ...
| | | Hi MEB, good to hear from you... yes, as far as I'm aware, my
TCP/IP
| | settings
| | | are right. As far as the BIOS upgrade for the Belkin... I
didn't
| know
| | there
| | | was one, I'll check. I haven't gone down the road of pinging
or
| running
| | | winipcfg as I thought the adapter had to be working first???
And
| finally
| | no,
| | | I don't use ICS as the other computers belong to my son next
door
so
| we
| | have
| | | no need to share files etc.!
| | | Cheers, Sandy.
| | |
| |
| | Okay, No ICS entries that might have conflicted.
| |
| | Are the other wireless connected computers able to SEE your
problem
| 98
| | computer {does it appear anywhere in your son's actual network
[if
he
| is
| the
| | one with the wireless base unit]}?
| |
| |
| | What Gary is suggesting is, that the adapter MIGHT be installed,
but
| the
| | adapter in the 98 box is not connecting to the network, which
will
| cause
| a
| | network error. Errors like you are receiving can also occur
[after
an
| | install] because the adapter can not connect to the network,
hence
it
| is
| an
| | error.
| | What you have posted is that the adapter "apparently" IS
installed
| [or
| at
| | least shown in the Network configuration].
| | AS YOU POSTED:
| | Client for Microsoft Networks
| | Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
| | Dial-Up Adapter
| | TCP/IP-Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
| | TCP/IP-Dial-Up Adapter
| | and...
| | Primary Network Logon: Windows Logon.
| |
| |
| | I use your "son as" the identifier below, but it refers to
whoever
has
| the
| | base transceiver and the actual unit.
| | Your son MUST add your computer to his network or allow that
address
| in
| the
| | acceptable range OR you must be using the address range he has
allowed
| or is
| | using as his network. If he setup static addressing then your
computer
| must
| | also use a static address in the range he has allowed. You will
also
| need to
| | use the same compression and security [WEP/WPA-PSK/WPA-2/whatever
and
| should
| | be the same 64/128/etc., SSID{key}, etc. between the two - your
| adapter
| and
| | his base transceiver, they MUST be the same. Recheck the
| ENCRYPTION/SECURITY
| | ISSUES and basic setup sections on my web page for details.
| |
| | Have you checked in the wireless base transceiver for what the
actual
| | network configuration is? The 98 computer MUST be using *that*
network
| | addressing range and the transciever address should/would be the
| gateway
| in
| | your computer Belkin TCP/IP, hence the reason for running
winipcfg,
to
| see
| | if the adapter IS attempting to communicate, and whether *your*
IP
| address
| | is in the *wireless base transceiver* range..
| |
| | Any firewall between you and the transceiver MUST allow
| access/talking
| to
| | occur. Check your computer firewall, and make sure it has the
local
| network
| | allowance [the wireless network range]. IF you are running
| Norton/Symantec
| | or McAfee we need to know that specifically, and any other
Anti-V,
| | Anti-SpyWare, etc..
| |
| | --
| | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | --
| | _________
| |
| |
| | | "MEB" wrote:
| | |
| | | Sorry, slightly distracted. Did you check for proper TCP/IP
| settings, or
| | did
| | | you not get that far?
| | |
| | | IF the card is shown, but not working properly AND you did
check
| the
| | TCP/IP
| | | and it is correct, did you check for an upgrade {BIOS} for
the
| device?
| | |
| | | Winipcfg Details {what}?
| | |
| | | Are you also using ICS in the system {or did you at one
time?}?
| | |
| | | Did you try the ping diagnostics?
| | |
| | | --
| | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | | --
| | | _________
| | |