CAN'T INSTALL BELKIN NIC DRIVERS

Okay, please keep us informed.

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

"Sandy" wrote in message
...
| Gosh... more stuff to think about! Thanks for that MEB. I'll have a go
of
| your suggestions over the week-end and see what happens. I'll come back
to
| you next week. See you then.
|
| Sandy.
|
| "MEB" wrote:
|
|
| "Sandy" wrote in message
| ...
| | Morning MEB (it is for me!),
| |
| | Thanks for your reply... lots of stuff for me to get my head round!
| |
| | The only INF files I removed were the folders listed as Belkin &
Broadcom,
| | no others.
|
| Okay, that was important, we now can focus on other potentials.
|
| |
| | http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp - was the
technique
| you
| | used similar to this?
| |
| | Just printed this off - useful stuff here, thanks. Yes sort off in my
| | fumbling way trying to muddle through. There are some extra steps I
can
| try
| | but what is really useful is I can follow through in a logical
sequence.
| | However, looking at the points between steps 15 & 16 ( I was having
| another
| | go last night whilst waiting for this post), I noticed the card was
not
| | identified. However, I will go through Netgears' sequence now I've
got it
| &
| | see what happens.
|
| Okay, if you look through some of those other links you'll note that
has
| also occurred to others ... regretfully you are also "being put through
the
| wringer" with your card.
|
| |
| | Just been looking through the other links you suggested... perhaps I
| should
| | be grateful I've got a Belkin & not a Linksys! General theme seems to
be
| | change the card. Hmmm. Not convinced - yet.
|
| Well you have to remember that 98 was designed more for phone access,
and
| within a network [business/commercial] which was handled by IT or other
| "experts". And these newer adapters are not designed for 98 or the older
| NTs. Not that the drivers would be difficult to provide, but that the
| manufacturer's programmers rely more upon Microsoft, and of course, the
| necessary MS certification. Moreover, the programmers can no longer call
| Microsoft to discuss issues that might occur in Microsoft's un-supported
| OSs, so that leaves them as needing to actually know how to program.
Look at
| any of the newer devices and you find these same difficulties.
|
| |
| | Yes, on your other point I did go into Safe Mode to remove the
'device'
| | because you're right, previous experience on this ghosting anomaly can
be
| | quite revealing, all taking up valuable resources.
|
| Yes, that's always been important. Many later errors and issues can be
| back-traced to these ghosts.
|
| |
| | Finally, like I said when playing last night, I did remove all network
| | protocols, clients et al. I must admit I can't remember if I closed
down
| | before re-installing them or not. Can a card's drivers be loaded
before
| the
| | Network elements are put in or does the network clients/protocols have
to
| be
| | in place first?
|
| Okay, make sure you shutdown before resetting the network. There is
| potentially a DUN issue [yeah we scratch our heads on this one, dial-up,
| huh, why would that effect a network adapter, but it IS part of the
| network]. The card drivers can be added as soon as possible, you should
have
| had the Startup/New hardware found, ask for the drivers upon startup,
which
| then are supposed to install the necessary TCP/IP and other files.
| One thing I have found, is having the CABS for 98 in
| {drive}:\Windows\Options\CABS, seems to ease installation of most
devices.
| Just copy the Win98 folder and contents from the CD to that folder.
|
| One registry entry needs changed though, so installations look there
rather
| than asking for the CDROM:
| ---------
| REGEDIT4
|
| [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup]
| "SourcePath"="C:\\WINDOWS\\OPTIONS\\CABS\\"
|
| -----------
| This can be placed into a TEXT editor [including the blank line], saved
as
| option-source.reg, and merged. Modify that to your actual windows
| directory/folder if necessary.
| It works much better if it was done before the update process as any
| updated files are/were copied/placed there as well, meaning you won't be
| installing OLD outdated files from the CDROM.
|
| On installers generally:
| Looking at a number of NEW installers, I note that they constantly check
for
| "administrator rights" [something necessary for NT] and NT files, and
fail
| to include the old variables for "if its not present then do" [that's
not
| the actual inclusions just what was done] which the OLD cross platform
| installers included.
| The cross platforms now being addressed are XP and the necessary VISTA
| "special" envelope/requirements.
|
| Let us know how it goes...
|
| |
| | Right! I better speak to the other guys now. Thanks for your help
MEB.
| |
| | Cheers,
| |
| | Sandy.
| --
| MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| --
| _________
|
| |
| | "MEB" wrote:
| |
| |
| | Let me put both together:
| |
| | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | news | | | Hi MEB,
| | |
| | | Thanks for your response. I'll try to answer all your questions.
| | | The Belkin drivers I tried were versions 1, 2.4, 3.2, 6 & 7.
| | | I tried installing them by their installers and directly from
their
| INF
| | | files (the latter wouldn't work at all!).
| | | I cleaned up as best I could after each time by using the
uninstaller,
| | | device manager to remove the device deleting the inf folders under
| |
| | Did you make sure you didn't remove any you needed? I've done that
| before.
| |
| | | Windows/inf/other and physically removing the card. I must admit
to
| | | forgetting to try MS cleanup utility.
| | | It is Windows 98se and is as updated as it got prior to support
being
| | removed.
| |
| | Good, then at least that's not part of the issue.
| |
| | |
| | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | ...
| | | To continue...
| | |
| | | It's a PCChips M571 socket 7 mobo (yes I know it's ancient but
it's
| served
| | | me well for many years!), other PCI cards apart form the Belkin
which
| | | currently is in slot 1, is a NVidia GeForce MX400 in slot 2 and a
| Rockwell
| | | 56k modem (for FAX) in slot 3. There is just one ISA slot for a
| | Soundblaster
| | | card.
| | |
| | | Hope this helps. Many thanks for your time.
| |
| | It does, gives a chance to check the specs out. Several versions of
the
| | board [as well as several *manufacturers*]
| | On board video and sound, no on board network.
| | No need to explain about the age, I also have several dinosaurs
here,
| in
| | fact I'm using a 440BX .board for this.
| | The information I find suggest there were more slots, hmm. Franc
Zabkar
| did
| | some extensive technical work concerning the board. Off subject
anyway.
| |
| | As to the problem, it happens to be quite common with several net
| adapters
| | and SE:
| | http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp - was the
technique
| you
| | used similar to this?
| | http://www.freelists.org/archives/pc.../msg00504.html
| | http://forum.pcmech.com/archive/index.php/t-34610.html
| | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search
| |
| | Some have found that by merely connecting the net card to a network
[or
| | modem/router], caused the install to mysteriously work..Others found
| that
| | changing the card [same] would then allow installation [like a bad
card,
| and
| | yes there a new defectives].
| |
| | I would ask if you went into SAFE MODE and made sure that there
were no
| | ghost entries from previous attempts?
| |
| | Sometimes its found that going into Control Panel NETWORK and
| removing
| | all entries [and of course re-setting it up after a shut down] would
| then
| | allow the installation.
| |
| | Wait and see what Gary comes up with though before you delete the
| Network
| | and start over.
| |
| |
| | |
| | | "MEB" wrote:
| | |
| | | Sorry, minds a little distant today... these might help if
| answered.
| | | What computer are we discussing, make and model.
| | | Are there other adapters in the configuration [card or
on-board]?
| | |
| | | --
| | | MEB
| | | --
| | | _________
| | |
| | | "MEB" meb@not wrote in message
| | | ...
| | | | What versions did you try, and how was the installation
performed
| [via
| | | | installer or INF]?
| | | | Did you clean-up after the failed installs, if not you may
have
| an
| | INF
| | | | error per the different software versions.
| | | |
| | | | Tried to find info on Belkin but couldn't get to the site. I
did
| find
| | | many
| | | | pages which claimed no issues with 98SE. Is that the OS
version
| you
| | are
| | | | using and is it fully updated?.
| | | |
| | | | --
| | | | MEB
| | | | --
| | | | _________
| | | |
| | | | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | | | ...
| | | | | I'm having trouble installing the drivers for a Belkin 54g
| wireless
| | | | network
| | | | | card in 98se. I've been onto Belkin who have given me
several
| | versions
| | | of
| | | | | their drivers but it comes down to the same thing... "Error
1F6
| | Windows
| | | | can't
| | | | | install the driver for your device" (or similar words).
Belkin
| say
| | at
| | | | this
| | | | | point that it's a bug with Win 98 and not really their
problem.
| Any
| | | | ideas?
| | | | | Thanks.
| | --
| | MEB
|
|
|
|
|

Good morning MEB and everybody else!

OK some success. After going through the procedures we spoke about last
week over the week-end, yes the NIC is now recognized properly, yes the
drivers finally loaded successfully, but no, Windows says "there is a problem
with my NIC" on restart go & "run the troubleshooter"! As if I didn't do
that in the first place!

I have to say I think that this final message would rather indicate a faulty
card which may account for all the difficulties. What do you think?

Regards, Sandy.

"MEB" wrote:

Okay, please keep us informed.

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

"Sandy" wrote in message
...
| Gosh... more stuff to think about! Thanks for that MEB. I'll have a go
of
| your suggestions over the week-end and see what happens. I'll come back
to
| you next week. See you then.
|
| Sandy.
|
| "MEB" wrote:
|
|
| "Sandy" wrote in message
| ...
| | Morning MEB (it is for me!),
| |
| | Thanks for your reply... lots of stuff for me to get my head round!
| |
| | The only INF files I removed were the folders listed as Belkin &
Broadcom,
| | no others.
|
| Okay, that was important, we now can focus on other potentials.
|
| |
| | http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp - was the
technique
| you
| | used similar to this?
| |
| | Just printed this off - useful stuff here, thanks. Yes sort off in my
| | fumbling way trying to muddle through. There are some extra steps I
can
| try
| | but what is really useful is I can follow through in a logical
sequence.
| | However, looking at the points between steps 15 & 16 ( I was having
| another
| | go last night whilst waiting for this post), I noticed the card was
not
| | identified. However, I will go through Netgears' sequence now I've
got it
| &
| | see what happens.
|
| Okay, if you look through some of those other links you'll note that
has
| also occurred to others ... regretfully you are also "being put through
the
| wringer" with your card.
|
| |
| | Just been looking through the other links you suggested... perhaps I
| should
| | be grateful I've got a Belkin & not a Linksys! General theme seems to
be
| | change the card. Hmmm. Not convinced - yet.
|
| Well you have to remember that 98 was designed more for phone access,
and
| within a network [business/commercial] which was handled by IT or other
| "experts". And these newer adapters are not designed for 98 or the older
| NTs. Not that the drivers would be difficult to provide, but that the
| manufacturer's programmers rely more upon Microsoft, and of course, the
| necessary MS certification. Moreover, the programmers can no longer call
| Microsoft to discuss issues that might occur in Microsoft's un-supported
| OSs, so that leaves them as needing to actually know how to program.
Look at
| any of the newer devices and you find these same difficulties.
|
| |
| | Yes, on your other point I did go into Safe Mode to remove the
'device'
| | because you're right, previous experience on this ghosting anomaly can
be
| | quite revealing, all taking up valuable resources.
|
| Yes, that's always been important. Many later errors and issues can be
| back-traced to these ghosts.
|
| |
| | Finally, like I said when playing last night, I did remove all network
| | protocols, clients et al. I must admit I can't remember if I closed
down
| | before re-installing them or not. Can a card's drivers be loaded
before
| the
| | Network elements are put in or does the network clients/protocols have
to
| be
| | in place first?
|
| Okay, make sure you shutdown before resetting the network. There is
| potentially a DUN issue [yeah we scratch our heads on this one, dial-up,
| huh, why would that effect a network adapter, but it IS part of the
| network]. The card drivers can be added as soon as possible, you should
have
| had the Startup/New hardware found, ask for the drivers upon startup,
which
| then are supposed to install the necessary TCP/IP and other files.
| One thing I have found, is having the CABS for 98 in
| {drive}:\Windows\Options\CABS, seems to ease installation of most
devices.
| Just copy the Win98 folder and contents from the CD to that folder.
|
| One registry entry needs changed though, so installations look there
rather
| than asking for the CDROM:
| ---------
| REGEDIT4
|
| [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup]
| "SourcePath"="C:\\WINDOWS\\OPTIONS\\CABS\\"
|
| -----------
| This can be placed into a TEXT editor [including the blank line], saved
as
| option-source.reg, and merged. Modify that to your actual windows
| directory/folder if necessary.
| It works much better if it was done before the update process as any
| updated files are/were copied/placed there as well, meaning you won't be
| installing OLD outdated files from the CDROM.
|
| On installers generally:
| Looking at a number of NEW installers, I note that they constantly check
for
| "administrator rights" [something necessary for NT] and NT files, and
fail
| to include the old variables for "if its not present then do" [that's
not
| the actual inclusions just what was done] which the OLD cross platform
| installers included.
| The cross platforms now being addressed are XP and the necessary VISTA
| "special" envelope/requirements.
|
| Let us know how it goes...
|
| |
| | Right! I better speak to the other guys now. Thanks for your help
MEB.
| |
| | Cheers,
| |
| | Sandy.
| --
| MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| --
| _________
|
| |
| | "MEB" wrote:
| |
| |
| | Let me put both together:
| |
| | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | news | | | Hi MEB,
| | |
| | | Thanks for your response. I'll try to answer all your questions.
| | | The Belkin drivers I tried were versions 1, 2.4, 3.2, 6 & 7.
| | | I tried installing them by their installers and directly from
their
| INF
| | | files (the latter wouldn't work at all!).
| | | I cleaned up as best I could after each time by using the
uninstaller,
| | | device manager to remove the device deleting the inf folders under
| |
| | Did you make sure you didn't remove any you needed? I've done that
| before.
| |
| | | Windows/inf/other and physically removing the card. I must admit
to
| | | forgetting to try MS cleanup utility.
| | | It is Windows 98se and is as updated as it got prior to support
being
| | removed.
| |
| | Good, then at least that's not part of the issue.
| |
| | |
| | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | ...
| | | To continue...
| | |
| | | It's a PCChips M571 socket 7 mobo (yes I know it's ancient but
it's
| served
| | | me well for many years!), other PCI cards apart form the Belkin
which
| | | currently is in slot 1, is a NVidia GeForce MX400 in slot 2 and a
| Rockwell
| | | 56k modem (for FAX) in slot 3. There is just one ISA slot for a
| | Soundblaster
| | | card.
| | |
| | | Hope this helps. Many thanks for your time.
| |
| | It does, gives a chance to check the specs out. Several versions of
the
| | board [as well as several *manufacturers*]
| | On board video and sound, no on board network.
| | No need to explain about the age, I also have several dinosaurs
here,
| in
| | fact I'm using a 440BX .board for this.
| | The information I find suggest there were more slots, hmm. Franc
Zabkar
| did
| | some extensive technical work concerning the board. Off subject
anyway.
| |
| | As to the problem, it happens to be quite common with several net
| adapters
| | and SE:
| | http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp - was the
technique
| you
| | used similar to this?
| | http://www.freelists.org/archives/pc.../msg00504.html
| | http://forum.pcmech.com/archive/index.php/t-34610.html
| | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search
| |
| | Some have found that by merely connecting the net card to a network
[or
| | modem/router], caused the install to mysteriously work..Others found
| that
| | changing the card [same] would then allow installation [like a bad
card,
| and
| | yes there a new defectives].
| |
| | I would ask if you went into SAFE MODE and made sure that there
were no
| | ghost entries from previous attempts?
| |
| | Sometimes its found that going into Control Panel NETWORK and
| removing
| | all entries [and of course re-setting it up after a shut down] would
| then
| | allow the installation.
| |
| | Wait and see what Gary comes up with though before you delete the
| Network
| | and start over.
| |
| |
| | |
| | | "MEB" wrote:
| | |
| | | Sorry, minds a little distant today... these might help if
| answered.
| | | What computer are we discussing, make and model.
| | | Are there other adapters in the configuration [card or
on-board]?
| | |
| | | --
| | | MEB
| | | --
| | | _________
| | |
| | | "MEB" meb@not wrote in message
| | | ...
| | | | What versions did you try, and how was the installation
performed
| [via
| | | | installer or INF]?
| | | | Did you clean-up after the failed installs, if not you may
have
| an
| | INF
| | | | error per the different software versions.
| | | |
| | | | Tried to find info on Belkin but couldn't get to the site. I
did
| find
| | | many
| | | | pages which claimed no issues with 98SE. Is that the OS
version
| you
| | are
| | | | using and is it fully updated?.
| | | |
| | | | --
| | | | MEB
| | | | --
| | | | _________
| | | |
| | | | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | | | ...
| | | | | I'm having trouble installing the drivers for a Belkin 54g

Good morning MEB and everybody else!

OK some success. After going through the procedures we spoke about last
week over the week-end, yes the NIC is now recognized properly, yes the
drivers finally loaded successfully, but no, Windows says "there is a problem
with my NIC" on restart go & "run the troubleshooter"! As if I didn't do
that in the first place!

I have to say I think that this final message would rather indicate a faulty
card which may account for all the difficulties. What do you think?

Regards, Sandy.

"MEB" wrote:

Okay, please keep us informed.

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

"Sandy" wrote in message
...
| Gosh... more stuff to think about! Thanks for that MEB. I'll have a go
of
| your suggestions over the week-end and see what happens. I'll come back
to
| you next week. See you then.
|
| Sandy.
|
| "MEB" wrote:
|
|
| "Sandy" wrote in message
| ...
| | Morning MEB (it is for me!),
| |
| | Thanks for your reply... lots of stuff for me to get my head round!
| |
| | The only INF files I removed were the folders listed as Belkin &
Broadcom,
| | no others.
|
| Okay, that was important, we now can focus on other potentials.
|
| |
| | http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp - was the
technique
| you
| | used similar to this?
| |
| | Just printed this off - useful stuff here, thanks. Yes sort off in my
| | fumbling way trying to muddle through. There are some extra steps I
can
| try
| | but what is really useful is I can follow through in a logical
sequence.
| | However, looking at the points between steps 15 & 16 ( I was having
| another
| | go last night whilst waiting for this post), I noticed the card was
not
| | identified. However, I will go through Netgears' sequence now I've
got it
| &
| | see what happens.
|
| Okay, if you look through some of those other links you'll note that
has
| also occurred to others ... regretfully you are also "being put through
the
| wringer" with your card.
|
| |
| | Just been looking through the other links you suggested... perhaps I
| should
| | be grateful I've got a Belkin & not a Linksys! General theme seems to
be
| | change the card. Hmmm. Not convinced - yet.
|
| Well you have to remember that 98 was designed more for phone access,
and
| within a network [business/commercial] which was handled by IT or other
| "experts". And these newer adapters are not designed for 98 or the older
| NTs. Not that the drivers would be difficult to provide, but that the
| manufacturer's programmers rely more upon Microsoft, and of course, the
| necessary MS certification. Moreover, the programmers can no longer call
| Microsoft to discuss issues that might occur in Microsoft's un-supported
| OSs, so that leaves them as needing to actually know how to program.
Look at
| any of the newer devices and you find these same difficulties.
|
| |
| | Yes, on your other point I did go into Safe Mode to remove the
'device'
| | because you're right, previous experience on this ghosting anomaly can
be
| | quite revealing, all taking up valuable resources.
|
| Yes, that's always been important. Many later errors and issues can be
| back-traced to these ghosts.
|
| |
| | Finally, like I said when playing last night, I did remove all network
| | protocols, clients et al. I must admit I can't remember if I closed
down
| | before re-installing them or not. Can a card's drivers be loaded
before
| the
| | Network elements are put in or does the network clients/protocols have
to
| be
| | in place first?
|
| Okay, make sure you shutdown before resetting the network. There is
| potentially a DUN issue [yeah we scratch our heads on this one, dial-up,
| huh, why would that effect a network adapter, but it IS part of the
| network]. The card drivers can be added as soon as possible, you should
have
| had the Startup/New hardware found, ask for the drivers upon startup,
which
| then are supposed to install the necessary TCP/IP and other files.
| One thing I have found, is having the CABS for 98 in
| {drive}:\Windows\Options\CABS, seems to ease installation of most
devices.
| Just copy the Win98 folder and contents from the CD to that folder.
|
| One registry entry needs changed though, so installations look there
rather
| than asking for the CDROM:
| ---------
| REGEDIT4
|
| [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup]
| "SourcePath"="C:\\WINDOWS\\OPTIONS\\CABS\\"
|
| -----------
| This can be placed into a TEXT editor [including the blank line], saved
as
| option-source.reg, and merged. Modify that to your actual windows
| directory/folder if necessary.
| It works much better if it was done before the update process as any
| updated files are/were copied/placed there as well, meaning you won't be
| installing OLD outdated files from the CDROM.
|
| On installers generally:
| Looking at a number of NEW installers, I note that they constantly check
for
| "administrator rights" [something necessary for NT] and NT files, and
fail
| to include the old variables for "if its not present then do" [that's
not
| the actual inclusions just what was done] which the OLD cross platform
| installers included.
| The cross platforms now being addressed are XP and the necessary VISTA
| "special" envelope/requirements.
|
| Let us know how it goes...
|
| |
| | Right! I better speak to the other guys now. Thanks for your help
MEB.
| |
| | Cheers,
| |
| | Sandy.
| --
| MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| --
| _________
|
| |
| | "MEB" wrote:
| |
| |
| | Let me put both together:
| |
| | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | news | | | Hi MEB,
| | |
| | | Thanks for your response. I'll try to answer all your questions.
| | | The Belkin drivers I tried were versions 1, 2.4, 3.2, 6 & 7.
| | | I tried installing them by their installers and directly from
their
| INF
| | | files (the latter wouldn't work at all!).
| | | I cleaned up as best I could after each time by using the
uninstaller,
| | | device manager to remove the device deleting the inf folders under
| |
| | Did you make sure you didn't remove any you needed? I've done that
| before.
| |
| | | Windows/inf/other and physically removing the card. I must admit
to
| | | forgetting to try MS cleanup utility.
| | | It is Windows 98se and is as updated as it got prior to support
being
| | removed.
| |
| | Good, then at least that's not part of the issue.
| |
| | |
| | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | ...
| | | To continue...
| | |
| | | It's a PCChips M571 socket 7 mobo (yes I know it's ancient but
it's
| served
| | | me well for many years!), other PCI cards apart form the Belkin
which
| | | currently is in slot 1, is a NVidia GeForce MX400 in slot 2 and a
| Rockwell
| | | 56k modem (for FAX) in slot 3. There is just one ISA slot for a
| | Soundblaster
| | | card.
| | |
| | | Hope this helps. Many thanks for your time.
| |
| | It does, gives a chance to check the specs out. Several versions of
the
| | board [as well as several *manufacturers*]
| | On board video and sound, no on board network.
| | No need to explain about the age, I also have several dinosaurs
here,
| in
| | fact I'm using a 440BX .board for this.
| | The information I find suggest there were more slots, hmm. Franc
Zabkar
| did
| | some extensive technical work concerning the board. Off subject
anyway.
| |
| | As to the problem, it happens to be quite common with several net
| adapters
| | and SE:
| | http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp - was the
technique
| you
| | used similar to this?
| | http://www.freelists.org/archives/pc.../msg00504.html
| | http://forum.pcmech.com/archive/index.php/t-34610.html
| | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search
| |
| | Some have found that by merely connecting the net card to a network
[or
| | modem/router], caused the install to mysteriously work..Others found
| that
| | changing the card [same] would then allow installation [like a bad
card,
| and
| | yes there a new defectives].
| |
| | I would ask if you went into SAFE MODE and made sure that there
were no
| | ghost entries from previous attempts?
| |
| | Sometimes its found that going into Control Panel NETWORK and
| removing
| | all entries [and of course re-setting it up after a shut down] would
| then
| | allow the installation.
| |
| | Wait and see what Gary comes up with though before you delete the
| Network
| | and start over.
| |
| |
| | |
| | | "MEB" wrote:
| | |
| | | Sorry, minds a little distant today... these might help if
| answered.
| | | What computer are we discussing, make and model.
| | | Are there other adapters in the configuration [card or
on-board]?
| | |
| | | --
| | | MEB
| | | --
| | | _________
| | |
| | | "MEB" meb@not wrote in message
| | | ...
| | | | What versions did you try, and how was the installation
performed
| [via
| | | | installer or INF]?
| | | | Did you clean-up after the failed installs, if not you may
have
| an
| | INF
| | | | error per the different software versions.
| | | |
| | | | Tried to find info on Belkin but couldn't get to the site. I
did
| find
| | | many
| | | | pages which claimed no issues with 98SE. Is that the OS
version
| you
| | are
| | | | using and is it fully updated?.
| | | |
| | | | --
| | | | MEB
| | | | --
| | | | _________
| | | |
| | | | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | | | ...
| | | | | I'm having trouble installing the drivers for a Belkin 54g

"Sandy" wrote in message
...
| Good morning MEB and everybody else!
|
| OK some success. After going through the procedures we spoke about last
| week over the week-end, yes the NIC is now recognized properly, yes the
| drivers finally loaded successfully, but no, Windows says "there is a
problem
| with my NIC" on restart go & "run the troubleshooter"! As if I didn't do
| that in the first place!
|
| I have to say I think that this final message would rather indicate a
faulty
| card which may account for all the difficulties. What do you think?
|
| Regards, Sandy.
|

What is the EXACT error message and what is now shown in Control Panel
Network. {NIC adapter {Belkin 54g wireless}}

What you're looking for is TCP/IP set for Obtain IP automatically, no
Gateway, no WINS, and other *INITIALLY*.
HOWEVER, as this is part of a wireless network, the rest of the network
must be found. RUN * winipcfg * in the Start RUN box.
What is the address for your base unit/wireless router?

Here's a general network diagnostic/setup page:
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/re...NETWORKING.htm

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

| "MEB" wrote:
|
| Okay, please keep us informed.
|
| --
| MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| --
| _________
|
| "Sandy" wrote in message
| ...
| | Gosh... more stuff to think about! Thanks for that MEB. I'll have a
go
| of
| | your suggestions over the week-end and see what happens. I'll come
back
| to
| | you next week. See you then.
| |
| | Sandy.
| |
| | "MEB" wrote:
| |
| |
| | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | ...
| | | Morning MEB (it is for me!),
| | |
| | | Thanks for your reply... lots of stuff for me to get my head
round!
| | |
| | | The only INF files I removed were the folders listed as Belkin &
| Broadcom,
| | | no others.
| |
| | Okay, that was important, we now can focus on other potentials.
| |
| | |
| | | http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp - was the
| technique
| | you
| | | used similar to this?
| | |
| | | Just printed this off - useful stuff here, thanks. Yes sort off
in my
| | | fumbling way trying to muddle through. There are some extra steps
I
| can
| | try
| | | but what is really useful is I can follow through in a logical
| sequence.
| | | However, looking at the points between steps 15 & 16 ( I was
having
| | another
| | | go last night whilst waiting for this post), I noticed the card
was
| not
| | | identified. However, I will go through Netgears' sequence now
I've
| got it
| | &
| | | see what happens.
| |
| | Okay, if you look through some of those other links you'll note
that
| has
| | also occurred to others ... regretfully you are also "being put
through
| the
| | wringer" with your card.
| |
| | |
| | | Just been looking through the other links you suggested... perhaps
I
| | should
| | | be grateful I've got a Belkin & not a Linksys! General theme
seems to
| be
| | | change the card. Hmmm. Not convinced - yet.
| |
| | Well you have to remember that 98 was designed more for phone
access,
| and
| | within a network [business/commercial] which was handled by IT or
other
| | "experts". And these newer adapters are not designed for 98 or the
older
| | NTs. Not that the drivers would be difficult to provide, but that
the
| | manufacturer's programmers rely more upon Microsoft, and of course,
the
| | necessary MS certification. Moreover, the programmers can no longer
call
| | Microsoft to discuss issues that might occur in Microsoft's
un-supported
| | OSs, so that leaves them as needing to actually know how to program.
| Look at
| | any of the newer devices and you find these same difficulties.
| |
| | |
| | | Yes, on your other point I did go into Safe Mode to remove the
| 'device'
| | | because you're right, previous experience on this ghosting anomaly
can
| be
| | | quite revealing, all taking up valuable resources.
| |
| | Yes, that's always been important. Many later errors and issues can
be
| | back-traced to these ghosts.
| |
| | |
| | | Finally, like I said when playing last night, I did remove all
network
| | | protocols, clients et al. I must admit I can't remember if I
closed
| down
| | | before re-installing them or not. Can a card's drivers be loaded
| before
| | the
| | | Network elements are put in or does the network clients/protocols
have
| to
| | be
| | | in place first?
| |
| | Okay, make sure you shutdown before resetting the network. There is
| | potentially a DUN issue [yeah we scratch our heads on this one,
dial-up,
| | huh, why would that effect a network adapter, but it IS part of the
| | network]. The card drivers can be added as soon as possible, you
should
| have
| | had the Startup/New hardware found, ask for the drivers upon
startup,
| which
| | then are supposed to install the necessary TCP/IP and other files.
| | One thing I have found, is having the CABS for 98 in
| | {drive}:\Windows\Options\CABS, seems to ease installation of most
| devices.
| | Just copy the Win98 folder and contents from the CD to that folder.
| |
| | One registry entry needs changed though, so installations look
there
| rather
| | than asking for the CDROM:
| | ---------
| | REGEDIT4
| |
| | [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup]
| | "SourcePath"="C:\\WINDOWS\\OPTIONS\\CABS\\"
| |
| | -----------
| | This can be placed into a TEXT editor [including the blank line],
saved
| as
| | option-source.reg, and merged. Modify that to your actual windows
| | directory/folder if necessary.
| | It works much better if it was done before the update process as
any
| | updated files are/were copied/placed there as well, meaning you
won't be
| | installing OLD outdated files from the CDROM.
| |
| | On installers generally:
| | Looking at a number of NEW installers, I note that they constantly
check
| for
| | "administrator rights" [something necessary for NT] and NT files,
and
| fail
| | to include the old variables for "if its not present then do"
[that's
| not
| | the actual inclusions just what was done] which the OLD cross
platform
| | installers included.
| | The cross platforms now being addressed are XP and the necessary
VISTA
| | "special" envelope/requirements.
| |
| | Let us know how it goes...
| |
| | |
| | | Right! I better speak to the other guys now. Thanks for your
help
| MEB.
| | |
| | | Cheers,
| | |
| | | Sandy.
| | --
| | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | --
| | _________
| |
| | |
| | | "MEB" wrote:
| | |
| | |
| | | Let me put both together:
| | |
| | | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | | news | | | | Hi MEB,
| | | |
| | | | Thanks for your response. I'll try to answer all your
questions.
| | | | The Belkin drivers I tried were versions 1, 2.4, 3.2, 6 & 7.
| | | | I tried installing them by their installers and directly from
| their
| | INF
| | | | files (the latter wouldn't work at all!).
| | | | I cleaned up as best I could after each time by using the
| uninstaller,
| | | | device manager to remove the device deleting the inf folders
under
| | |
| | | Did you make sure you didn't remove any you needed? I've done
that
| | before.
| | |
| | | | Windows/inf/other and physically removing the card. I must
admit
| to
| | | | forgetting to try MS cleanup utility.
| | | | It is Windows 98se and is as updated as it got prior to
support
| being
| | | removed.
| | |
| | | Good, then at least that's not part of the issue.
| | |
| | | |
| | | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | | ...
| | | | To continue...
| | | |
| | | | It's a PCChips M571 socket 7 mobo (yes I know it's ancient but
| it's
| | served
| | | | me well for many years!), other PCI cards apart form the
Belkin
| which
| | | | currently is in slot 1, is a NVidia GeForce MX400 in slot 2
and a
| | Rockwell
| | | | 56k modem (for FAX) in slot 3. There is just one ISA slot for
a
| | | Soundblaster
| | | | card.
| | | |
| | | | Hope this helps. Many thanks for your time.
| | |
| | | It does, gives a chance to check the specs out. Several
versions of
| the
| | | board [as well as several *manufacturers*]
| | | On board video and sound, no on board network.
| | | No need to explain about the age, I also have several dinosaurs
| here,
| | in
| | | fact I'm using a 440BX .board for this.
| | | The information I find suggest there were more slots, hmm.
Franc
| Zabkar
| | did
| | | some extensive technical work concerning the board. Off subject
| anyway.
| | |
| | | As to the problem, it happens to be quite common with several
net
| | adapters
| | | and SE:
| | | http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp - was the
| technique
| | you
| | | used similar to this?
| | |
http://www.freelists.org/archives/pc.../msg00504.html
| | | http://forum.pcmech.com/archive/index.php/t-34610.html
| | |
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search
| | |
| | | Some have found that by merely connecting the net card to a
network
| [or
| | | modem/router], caused the install to mysteriously work..Others
found
| | that
| | | changing the card [same] would then allow installation [like a
bad
| card,
| | and
| | | yes there a new defectives].
| | |
| | | I would ask if you went into SAFE MODE and made sure that there
| were no
| | | ghost entries from previous attempts?
| | |
| | | Sometimes its found that going into Control Panel NETWORK
and
| | removing
| | | all entries [and of course re-setting it up after a shut down]
would
| | then
| | | allow the installation.
| | |
| | | Wait and see what Gary comes up with though before you delete
the
| | Network
| | | and start over.
| | |
| | |
| | | |
| | | | "MEB" wrote:
| | | |
| | | | Sorry, minds a little distant today... these might help if
| | answered.
| | | | What computer are we discussing, make and model.
| | | | Are there other adapters in the configuration [card or
| on-board]?
| | | |
| | | | --
| | | | MEB
| | | | --
| | | | _________
| | | |
| | | | "MEB" meb@not wrote in message
| | | | ...
| | | | | What versions did you try, and how was the installation
| performed
| | [via
| | | | | installer or INF]?
| | | | | Did you clean-up after the failed installs, if not you
may
| have
| | an
| | | INF
| | | | | error per the different software versions.
| | | | |
| | | | | Tried to find info on Belkin but couldn't get to the
site. I
| did
| | find
| | | | many
| | | | | pages which claimed no issues with 98SE. Is that the OS
| version
| | you
| | | are
| | | | | using and is it fully updated?.
| | | | |
| | | | | --
| | | | | MEB
| | | | | --
| | | | | _________
| | | | |
| | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | | | | ...
| | | | | | I'm having trouble installing the drivers for a Belkin
54g

"Sandy" wrote in message
...
| Good morning MEB and everybody else!
|
| OK some success. After going through the procedures we spoke about last
| week over the week-end, yes the NIC is now recognized properly, yes the
| drivers finally loaded successfully, but no, Windows says "there is a
problem
| with my NIC" on restart go & "run the troubleshooter"! As if I didn't do
| that in the first place!
|
| I have to say I think that this final message would rather indicate a
faulty
| card which may account for all the difficulties. What do you think?
|
| Regards, Sandy.
|

What is the EXACT error message and what is now shown in Control Panel
Network. {NIC adapter {Belkin 54g wireless}}

What you're looking for is TCP/IP set for Obtain IP automatically, no
Gateway, no WINS, and other *INITIALLY*.
HOWEVER, as this is part of a wireless network, the rest of the network
must be found. RUN * winipcfg * in the Start RUN box.
What is the address for your base unit/wireless router?

Here's a general network diagnostic/setup page:
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/re...NETWORKING.htm

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

| "MEB" wrote:
|
| Okay, please keep us informed.
|
| --
| MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| --
| _________
|
| "Sandy" wrote in message
| ...
| | Gosh... more stuff to think about! Thanks for that MEB. I'll have a
go
| of
| | your suggestions over the week-end and see what happens. I'll come
back
| to
| | you next week. See you then.
| |
| | Sandy.
| |
| | "MEB" wrote:
| |
| |
| | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | ...
| | | Morning MEB (it is for me!),
| | |
| | | Thanks for your reply... lots of stuff for me to get my head
round!
| | |
| | | The only INF files I removed were the folders listed as Belkin &
| Broadcom,
| | | no others.
| |
| | Okay, that was important, we now can focus on other potentials.
| |
| | |
| | | http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp - was the
| technique
| | you
| | | used similar to this?
| | |
| | | Just printed this off - useful stuff here, thanks. Yes sort off
in my
| | | fumbling way trying to muddle through. There are some extra steps
I
| can
| | try
| | | but what is really useful is I can follow through in a logical
| sequence.
| | | However, looking at the points between steps 15 & 16 ( I was
having
| | another
| | | go last night whilst waiting for this post), I noticed the card
was
| not
| | | identified. However, I will go through Netgears' sequence now
I've
| got it
| | &
| | | see what happens.
| |
| | Okay, if you look through some of those other links you'll note
that
| has
| | also occurred to others ... regretfully you are also "being put
through
| the
| | wringer" with your card.
| |
| | |
| | | Just been looking through the other links you suggested... perhaps
I
| | should
| | | be grateful I've got a Belkin & not a Linksys! General theme
seems to
| be
| | | change the card. Hmmm. Not convinced - yet.
| |
| | Well you have to remember that 98 was designed more for phone
access,
| and
| | within a network [business/commercial] which was handled by IT or
other
| | "experts". And these newer adapters are not designed for 98 or the
older
| | NTs. Not that the drivers would be difficult to provide, but that
the
| | manufacturer's programmers rely more upon Microsoft, and of course,
the
| | necessary MS certification. Moreover, the programmers can no longer
call
| | Microsoft to discuss issues that might occur in Microsoft's
un-supported
| | OSs, so that leaves them as needing to actually know how to program.
| Look at
| | any of the newer devices and you find these same difficulties.
| |
| | |
| | | Yes, on your other point I did go into Safe Mode to remove the
| 'device'
| | | because you're right, previous experience on this ghosting anomaly
can
| be
| | | quite revealing, all taking up valuable resources.
| |
| | Yes, that's always been important. Many later errors and issues can
be
| | back-traced to these ghosts.
| |
| | |
| | | Finally, like I said when playing last night, I did remove all
network
| | | protocols, clients et al. I must admit I can't remember if I
closed
| down
| | | before re-installing them or not. Can a card's drivers be loaded
| before
| | the
| | | Network elements are put in or does the network clients/protocols
have
| to
| | be
| | | in place first?
| |
| | Okay, make sure you shutdown before resetting the network. There is
| | potentially a DUN issue [yeah we scratch our heads on this one,
dial-up,
| | huh, why would that effect a network adapter, but it IS part of the
| | network]. The card drivers can be added as soon as possible, you
should
| have
| | had the Startup/New hardware found, ask for the drivers upon
startup,
| which
| | then are supposed to install the necessary TCP/IP and other files.
| | One thing I have found, is having the CABS for 98 in
| | {drive}:\Windows\Options\CABS, seems to ease installation of most
| devices.
| | Just copy the Win98 folder and contents from the CD to that folder.
| |
| | One registry entry needs changed though, so installations look
there
| rather
| | than asking for the CDROM:
| | ---------
| | REGEDIT4
| |
| | [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup]
| | "SourcePath"="C:\\WINDOWS\\OPTIONS\\CABS\\"
| |
| | -----------
| | This can be placed into a TEXT editor [including the blank line],
saved
| as
| | option-source.reg, and merged. Modify that to your actual windows
| | directory/folder if necessary.
| | It works much better if it was done before the update process as
any
| | updated files are/were copied/placed there as well, meaning you
won't be
| | installing OLD outdated files from the CDROM.
| |
| | On installers generally:
| | Looking at a number of NEW installers, I note that they constantly
check
| for
| | "administrator rights" [something necessary for NT] and NT files,
and
| fail
| | to include the old variables for "if its not present then do"
[that's
| not
| | the actual inclusions just what was done] which the OLD cross
platform
| | installers included.
| | The cross platforms now being addressed are XP and the necessary
VISTA
| | "special" envelope/requirements.
| |
| | Let us know how it goes...
| |
| | |
| | | Right! I better speak to the other guys now. Thanks for your
help
| MEB.
| | |
| | | Cheers,
| | |
| | | Sandy.
| | --
| | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | --
| | _________
| |
| | |
| | | "MEB" wrote:
| | |
| | |
| | | Let me put both together:
| | |
| | | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | | news | | | | Hi MEB,
| | | |
| | | | Thanks for your response. I'll try to answer all your
questions.
| | | | The Belkin drivers I tried were versions 1, 2.4, 3.2, 6 & 7.
| | | | I tried installing them by their installers and directly from
| their
| | INF
| | | | files (the latter wouldn't work at all!).
| | | | I cleaned up as best I could after each time by using the
| uninstaller,
| | | | device manager to remove the device deleting the inf folders
under
| | |
| | | Did you make sure you didn't remove any you needed? I've done
that
| | before.
| | |
| | | | Windows/inf/other and physically removing the card. I must
admit
| to
| | | | forgetting to try MS cleanup utility.
| | | | It is Windows 98se and is as updated as it got prior to
support
| being
| | | removed.
| | |
| | | Good, then at least that's not part of the issue.
| | |
| | | |
| | | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | | ...
| | | | To continue...
| | | |
| | | | It's a PCChips M571 socket 7 mobo (yes I know it's ancient but
| it's
| | served
| | | | me well for many years!), other PCI cards apart form the
Belkin
| which
| | | | currently is in slot 1, is a NVidia GeForce MX400 in slot 2
and a
| | Rockwell
| | | | 56k modem (for FAX) in slot 3. There is just one ISA slot for
a
| | | Soundblaster
| | | | card.
| | | |
| | | | Hope this helps. Many thanks for your time.
| | |
| | | It does, gives a chance to check the specs out. Several
versions of
| the
| | | board [as well as several *manufacturers*]
| | | On board video and sound, no on board network.
| | | No need to explain about the age, I also have several dinosaurs
| here,
| | in
| | | fact I'm using a 440BX .board for this.
| | | The information I find suggest there were more slots, hmm.
Franc
| Zabkar
| | did
| | | some extensive technical work concerning the board. Off subject
| anyway.
| | |
| | | As to the problem, it happens to be quite common with several
net
| | adapters
| | | and SE:
| | | http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp - was the
| technique
| | you
| | | used similar to this?
| | |
http://www.freelists.org/archives/pc.../msg00504.html
| | | http://forum.pcmech.com/archive/index.php/t-34610.html
| | |
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search
| | |
| | | Some have found that by merely connecting the net card to a
network
| [or
| | | modem/router], caused the install to mysteriously work..Others
found
| | that
| | | changing the card [same] would then allow installation [like a
bad
| card,
| | and
| | | yes there a new defectives].
| | |
| | | I would ask if you went into SAFE MODE and made sure that there
| were no
| | | ghost entries from previous attempts?
| | |
| | | Sometimes its found that going into Control Panel NETWORK
and
| | removing
| | | all entries [and of course re-setting it up after a shut down]
would
| | then
| | | allow the installation.
| | |
| | | Wait and see what Gary comes up with though before you delete
the
| | Network
| | | and start over.
| | |
| | |
| | | |
| | | | "MEB" wrote:
| | | |
| | | | Sorry, minds a little distant today... these might help if
| | answered.
| | | | What computer are we discussing, make and model.
| | | | Are there other adapters in the configuration [card or
| on-board]?
| | | |
| | | | --
| | | | MEB
| | | | --
| | | | _________
| | | |
| | | | "MEB" meb@not wrote in message
| | | | ...
| | | | | What versions did you try, and how was the installation
| performed
| | [via
| | | | | installer or INF]?
| | | | | Did you clean-up after the failed installs, if not you
may
| have
| | an
| | | INF
| | | | | error per the different software versions.
| | | | |
| | | | | Tried to find info on Belkin but couldn't get to the
site. I
| did
| | find
| | | | many
| | | | | pages which claimed no issues with 98SE. Is that the OS
| version
| | you
| | | are
| | | | | using and is it fully updated?.
| | | | |
| | | | | --
| | | | | MEB
| | | | | --
| | | | | _________
| | | | |
| | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | | | | ...
| | | | | | I'm having trouble installing the drivers for a Belkin
54g

Hi MEB,

Gosh! You've given me a lot to look at & explore. Give me some time to
study all this and then I'll come back to you. Thanks.

All the best,

Sandy.

"MEB" wrote:



"Sandy" wrote in message
...
| Good morning MEB and everybody else!
|
| OK some success. After going through the procedures we spoke about last
| week over the week-end, yes the NIC is now recognized properly, yes the
| drivers finally loaded successfully, but no, Windows says "there is a
problem
| with my NIC" on restart go & "run the troubleshooter"! As if I didn't do
| that in the first place!
|
| I have to say I think that this final message would rather indicate a
faulty
| card which may account for all the difficulties. What do you think?
|
| Regards, Sandy.
|

What is the EXACT error message and what is now shown in Control Panel
Network. {NIC adapter {Belkin 54g wireless}}

What you're looking for is TCP/IP set for Obtain IP automatically, no
Gateway, no WINS, and other *INITIALLY*.
HOWEVER, as this is part of a wireless network, the rest of the network
must be found. RUN * winipcfg * in the Start RUN box.
What is the address for your base unit/wireless router?

Here's a general network diagnostic/setup page:
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/re...NETWORKING.htm

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

| "MEB" wrote:
|
| Okay, please keep us informed.
|
| --
| MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| --
| _________
|
| "Sandy" wrote in message
| ...
| | Gosh... more stuff to think about! Thanks for that MEB. I'll have a
go
| of
| | your suggestions over the week-end and see what happens. I'll come
back
| to
| | you next week. See you then.
| |
| | Sandy.
| |
| | "MEB" wrote:
| |
| |
| | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | ...
| | | Morning MEB (it is for me!),
| | |
| | | Thanks for your reply... lots of stuff for me to get my head
round!
| | |
| | | The only INF files I removed were the folders listed as Belkin &
| Broadcom,
| | | no others.
| |
| | Okay, that was important, we now can focus on other potentials.
| |
| | |
| | | http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp - was the
| technique
| | you
| | | used similar to this?
| | |
| | | Just printed this off - useful stuff here, thanks. Yes sort off
in my
| | | fumbling way trying to muddle through. There are some extra steps
I
| can
| | try
| | | but what is really useful is I can follow through in a logical
| sequence.
| | | However, looking at the points between steps 15 & 16 ( I was
having
| | another
| | | go last night whilst waiting for this post), I noticed the card
was
| not
| | | identified. However, I will go through Netgears' sequence now
I've
| got it
| | &
| | | see what happens.
| |
| | Okay, if you look through some of those other links you'll note
that
| has
| | also occurred to others ... regretfully you are also "being put
through
| the
| | wringer" with your card.
| |
| | |
| | | Just been looking through the other links you suggested... perhaps
I
| | should
| | | be grateful I've got a Belkin & not a Linksys! General theme
seems to
| be
| | | change the card. Hmmm. Not convinced - yet.
| |
| | Well you have to remember that 98 was designed more for phone
access,
| and
| | within a network [business/commercial] which was handled by IT or
other
| | "experts". And these newer adapters are not designed for 98 or the
older
| | NTs. Not that the drivers would be difficult to provide, but that
the
| | manufacturer's programmers rely more upon Microsoft, and of course,
the
| | necessary MS certification. Moreover, the programmers can no longer
call
| | Microsoft to discuss issues that might occur in Microsoft's
un-supported
| | OSs, so that leaves them as needing to actually know how to program.
| Look at
| | any of the newer devices and you find these same difficulties.
| |
| | |
| | | Yes, on your other point I did go into Safe Mode to remove the
| 'device'
| | | because you're right, previous experience on this ghosting anomaly
can
| be
| | | quite revealing, all taking up valuable resources.
| |
| | Yes, that's always been important. Many later errors and issues can
be
| | back-traced to these ghosts.
| |
| | |
| | | Finally, like I said when playing last night, I did remove all
network
| | | protocols, clients et al. I must admit I can't remember if I
closed
| down
| | | before re-installing them or not. Can a card's drivers be loaded
| before
| | the
| | | Network elements are put in or does the network clients/protocols
have
| to
| | be
| | | in place first?
| |
| | Okay, make sure you shutdown before resetting the network. There is
| | potentially a DUN issue [yeah we scratch our heads on this one,
dial-up,
| | huh, why would that effect a network adapter, but it IS part of the
| | network]. The card drivers can be added as soon as possible, you
should
| have
| | had the Startup/New hardware found, ask for the drivers upon
startup,
| which
| | then are supposed to install the necessary TCP/IP and other files.
| | One thing I have found, is having the CABS for 98 in
| | {drive}:\Windows\Options\CABS, seems to ease installation of most
| devices.
| | Just copy the Win98 folder and contents from the CD to that folder.
| |
| | One registry entry needs changed though, so installations look
there
| rather
| | than asking for the CDROM:
| | ---------
| | REGEDIT4
| |
| | [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup]
| | "SourcePath"="C:\\WINDOWS\\OPTIONS\\CABS\\"
| |
| | -----------
| | This can be placed into a TEXT editor [including the blank line],
saved
| as
| | option-source.reg, and merged. Modify that to your actual windows
| | directory/folder if necessary.
| | It works much better if it was done before the update process as
any
| | updated files are/were copied/placed there as well, meaning you
won't be
| | installing OLD outdated files from the CDROM.
| |
| | On installers generally:
| | Looking at a number of NEW installers, I note that they constantly
check
| for
| | "administrator rights" [something necessary for NT] and NT files,
and
| fail
| | to include the old variables for "if its not present then do"
[that's
| not
| | the actual inclusions just what was done] which the OLD cross
platform
| | installers included.
| | The cross platforms now being addressed are XP and the necessary
VISTA
| | "special" envelope/requirements.
| |
| | Let us know how it goes...
| |
| | |
| | | Right! I better speak to the other guys now. Thanks for your
help
| MEB.
| | |
| | | Cheers,
| | |
| | | Sandy.
| | --
| | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | --
| | _________
| |
| | |
| | | "MEB" wrote:
| | |
| | |
| | | Let me put both together:
| | |
| | | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | | news | | | | Hi MEB,
| | | |
| | | | Thanks for your response. I'll try to answer all your
questions.
| | | | The Belkin drivers I tried were versions 1, 2.4, 3.2, 6 & 7.
| | | | I tried installing them by their installers and directly from
| their
| | INF
| | | | files (the latter wouldn't work at all!).
| | | | I cleaned up as best I could after each time by using the
| uninstaller,
| | | | device manager to remove the device deleting the inf folders
under
| | |
| | | Did you make sure you didn't remove any you needed? I've done
that
| | before.
| | |
| | | | Windows/inf/other and physically removing the card. I must
admit
| to
| | | | forgetting to try MS cleanup utility.
| | | | It is Windows 98se and is as updated as it got prior to
support
| being
| | | removed.
| | |
| | | Good, then at least that's not part of the issue.
| | |
| | | |
| | | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | | ...
| | | | To continue...
| | | |
| | | | It's a PCChips M571 socket 7 mobo (yes I know it's ancient but
| it's
| | served
| | | | me well for many years!), other PCI cards apart form the
Belkin
| which
| | | | currently is in slot 1, is a NVidia GeForce MX400 in slot 2
and a
| | Rockwell
| | | | 56k modem (for FAX) in slot 3. There is just one ISA slot for
a
| | | Soundblaster
| | | | card.
| | | |
| | | | Hope this helps. Many thanks for your time.
| | |
| | | It does, gives a chance to check the specs out. Several
versions of
| the
| | | board [as well as several *manufacturers*]
| | | On board video and sound, no on board network.
| | | No need to explain about the age, I also have several dinosaurs
| here,
| | in
| | | fact I'm using a 440BX .board for this.
| | | The information I find suggest there were more slots, hmm.

Hi MEB,

Gosh! You've given me a lot to look at & explore. Give me some time to
study all this and then I'll come back to you. Thanks.

All the best,

Sandy.

"MEB" wrote:



"Sandy" wrote in message
...
| Good morning MEB and everybody else!
|
| OK some success. After going through the procedures we spoke about last
| week over the week-end, yes the NIC is now recognized properly, yes the
| drivers finally loaded successfully, but no, Windows says "there is a
problem
| with my NIC" on restart go & "run the troubleshooter"! As if I didn't do
| that in the first place!
|
| I have to say I think that this final message would rather indicate a
faulty
| card which may account for all the difficulties. What do you think?
|
| Regards, Sandy.
|

What is the EXACT error message and what is now shown in Control Panel
Network. {NIC adapter {Belkin 54g wireless}}

What you're looking for is TCP/IP set for Obtain IP automatically, no
Gateway, no WINS, and other *INITIALLY*.
HOWEVER, as this is part of a wireless network, the rest of the network
must be found. RUN * winipcfg * in the Start RUN box.
What is the address for your base unit/wireless router?

Here's a general network diagnostic/setup page:
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/re...NETWORKING.htm

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

| "MEB" wrote:
|
| Okay, please keep us informed.
|
| --
| MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| --
| _________
|
| "Sandy" wrote in message
| ...
| | Gosh... more stuff to think about! Thanks for that MEB. I'll have a
go
| of
| | your suggestions over the week-end and see what happens. I'll come
back
| to
| | you next week. See you then.
| |
| | Sandy.
| |
| | "MEB" wrote:
| |
| |
| | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | ...
| | | Morning MEB (it is for me!),
| | |
| | | Thanks for your reply... lots of stuff for me to get my head
round!
| | |
| | | The only INF files I removed were the folders listed as Belkin &
| Broadcom,
| | | no others.
| |
| | Okay, that was important, we now can focus on other potentials.
| |
| | |
| | | http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp - was the
| technique
| | you
| | | used similar to this?
| | |
| | | Just printed this off - useful stuff here, thanks. Yes sort off
in my
| | | fumbling way trying to muddle through. There are some extra steps
I
| can
| | try
| | | but what is really useful is I can follow through in a logical
| sequence.
| | | However, looking at the points between steps 15 & 16 ( I was
having
| | another
| | | go last night whilst waiting for this post), I noticed the card
was
| not
| | | identified. However, I will go through Netgears' sequence now
I've
| got it
| | &
| | | see what happens.
| |
| | Okay, if you look through some of those other links you'll note
that
| has
| | also occurred to others ... regretfully you are also "being put
through
| the
| | wringer" with your card.
| |
| | |
| | | Just been looking through the other links you suggested... perhaps
I
| | should
| | | be grateful I've got a Belkin & not a Linksys! General theme
seems to
| be
| | | change the card. Hmmm. Not convinced - yet.
| |
| | Well you have to remember that 98 was designed more for phone
access,
| and
| | within a network [business/commercial] which was handled by IT or
other
| | "experts". And these newer adapters are not designed for 98 or the
older
| | NTs. Not that the drivers would be difficult to provide, but that
the
| | manufacturer's programmers rely more upon Microsoft, and of course,
the
| | necessary MS certification. Moreover, the programmers can no longer
call
| | Microsoft to discuss issues that might occur in Microsoft's
un-supported
| | OSs, so that leaves them as needing to actually know how to program.
| Look at
| | any of the newer devices and you find these same difficulties.
| |
| | |
| | | Yes, on your other point I did go into Safe Mode to remove the
| 'device'
| | | because you're right, previous experience on this ghosting anomaly
can
| be
| | | quite revealing, all taking up valuable resources.
| |
| | Yes, that's always been important. Many later errors and issues can
be
| | back-traced to these ghosts.
| |
| | |
| | | Finally, like I said when playing last night, I did remove all
network
| | | protocols, clients et al. I must admit I can't remember if I
closed
| down
| | | before re-installing them or not. Can a card's drivers be loaded
| before
| | the
| | | Network elements are put in or does the network clients/protocols
have
| to
| | be
| | | in place first?
| |
| | Okay, make sure you shutdown before resetting the network. There is
| | potentially a DUN issue [yeah we scratch our heads on this one,
dial-up,
| | huh, why would that effect a network adapter, but it IS part of the
| | network]. The card drivers can be added as soon as possible, you
should
| have
| | had the Startup/New hardware found, ask for the drivers upon
startup,
| which
| | then are supposed to install the necessary TCP/IP and other files.
| | One thing I have found, is having the CABS for 98 in
| | {drive}:\Windows\Options\CABS, seems to ease installation of most
| devices.
| | Just copy the Win98 folder and contents from the CD to that folder.
| |
| | One registry entry needs changed though, so installations look
there
| rather
| | than asking for the CDROM:
| | ---------
| | REGEDIT4
| |
| | [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup]
| | "SourcePath"="C:\\WINDOWS\\OPTIONS\\CABS\\"
| |
| | -----------
| | This can be placed into a TEXT editor [including the blank line],
saved
| as
| | option-source.reg, and merged. Modify that to your actual windows
| | directory/folder if necessary.
| | It works much better if it was done before the update process as
any
| | updated files are/were copied/placed there as well, meaning you
won't be
| | installing OLD outdated files from the CDROM.
| |
| | On installers generally:
| | Looking at a number of NEW installers, I note that they constantly
check
| for
| | "administrator rights" [something necessary for NT] and NT files,
and
| fail
| | to include the old variables for "if its not present then do"
[that's
| not
| | the actual inclusions just what was done] which the OLD cross
platform
| | installers included.
| | The cross platforms now being addressed are XP and the necessary
VISTA
| | "special" envelope/requirements.
| |
| | Let us know how it goes...
| |
| | |
| | | Right! I better speak to the other guys now. Thanks for your
help
| MEB.
| | |
| | | Cheers,
| | |
| | | Sandy.
| | --
| | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | --
| | _________
| |
| | |
| | | "MEB" wrote:
| | |
| | |
| | | Let me put both together:
| | |
| | | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | | news | | | | Hi MEB,
| | | |
| | | | Thanks for your response. I'll try to answer all your
questions.
| | | | The Belkin drivers I tried were versions 1, 2.4, 3.2, 6 & 7.
| | | | I tried installing them by their installers and directly from
| their
| | INF
| | | | files (the latter wouldn't work at all!).
| | | | I cleaned up as best I could after each time by using the
| uninstaller,
| | | | device manager to remove the device deleting the inf folders
under
| | |
| | | Did you make sure you didn't remove any you needed? I've done
that
| | before.
| | |
| | | | Windows/inf/other and physically removing the card. I must
admit
| to
| | | | forgetting to try MS cleanup utility.
| | | | It is Windows 98se and is as updated as it got prior to
support
| being
| | | removed.
| | |
| | | Good, then at least that's not part of the issue.
| | |
| | | |
| | | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | | ...
| | | | To continue...
| | | |
| | | | It's a PCChips M571 socket 7 mobo (yes I know it's ancient but
| it's
| | served
| | | | me well for many years!), other PCI cards apart form the
Belkin
| which
| | | | currently is in slot 1, is a NVidia GeForce MX400 in slot 2
and a
| | Rockwell
| | | | 56k modem (for FAX) in slot 3. There is just one ISA slot for
a
| | | Soundblaster
| | | | card.
| | | |
| | | | Hope this helps. Many thanks for your time.
| | |
| | | It does, gives a chance to check the specs out. Several
versions of
| the
| | | board [as well as several *manufacturers*]
| | | On board video and sound, no on board network.
| | | No need to explain about the age, I also have several dinosaurs
| here,
| | in
| | | fact I'm using a 440BX .board for this.
| | | The information I find suggest there were more slots, hmm.

Sorry, marked this for response and overlooked it. Don't get lost in the
page and links, it really isn't that difficult. The page is for general
diagnostics and information/links to other materials which might be
informative.

Post back with success or if more personal help is needed. Good luck.

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

"Sandy" wrote in message
...
| Hi MEB,
|
| Gosh! You've given me a lot to look at & explore. Give me some time to
| study all this and then I'll come back to you. Thanks.
|
| All the best,
|
| Sandy.
|
| "MEB" wrote:
|
|
|
| "Sandy" wrote in message
| ...
| | Good morning MEB and everybody else!
| |
| | OK some success. After going through the procedures we spoke about
last
| | week over the week-end, yes the NIC is now recognized properly, yes
the
| | drivers finally loaded successfully, but no, Windows says "there is a
| problem
| | with my NIC" on restart go & "run the troubleshooter"! As if I didn't
do
| | that in the first place!
| |
| | I have to say I think that this final message would rather indicate a
| faulty
| | card which may account for all the difficulties. What do you think?
| |
| | Regards, Sandy.
| |
|
| What is the EXACT error message and what is now shown in Control Panel

| Network. {NIC adapter {Belkin 54g wireless}}
|
| What you're looking for is TCP/IP set for Obtain IP automatically, no
| Gateway, no WINS, and other *INITIALLY*.
| HOWEVER, as this is part of a wireless network, the rest of the network
| must be found. RUN * winipcfg * in the Start RUN box.
| What is the address for your base unit/wireless router?
|
| Here's a general network diagnostic/setup page:
| http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/re...NETWORKING.htm
|
| --
| MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| --
| _________
|
| | "MEB" wrote:
| |
| | Okay, please keep us informed.
| |
| | --
| | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | --
| | _________
| |
| | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | ...
| | | Gosh... more stuff to think about! Thanks for that MEB. I'll
have a
| go
| | of
| | | your suggestions over the week-end and see what happens. I'll
come
| back
| | to
| | | you next week. See you then.
| | |
| | | Sandy.
| | |
| | | "MEB" wrote:
| | |
| | |
| | | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | | ...
| | | | Morning MEB (it is for me!),
| | | |
| | | | Thanks for your reply... lots of stuff for me to get my head
| round!
| | | |
| | | | The only INF files I removed were the folders listed as Belkin
&
| | Broadcom,
| | | | no others.
| | |
| | | Okay, that was important, we now can focus on other potentials.
| | |
| | | |
| | | | http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp - was
the
| | technique
| | | you
| | | | used similar to this?
| | | |
| | | | Just printed this off - useful stuff here, thanks. Yes sort
off
| in my
| | | | fumbling way trying to muddle through. There are some extra
steps
| I
| | can
| | | try
| | | | but what is really useful is I can follow through in a logical
| | sequence.
| | | | However, looking at the points between steps 15 & 16 ( I was
| having
| | | another
| | | | go last night whilst waiting for this post), I noticed the
card
| was
| | not
| | | | identified. However, I will go through Netgears' sequence now
| I've
| | got it
| | | &
| | | | see what happens.
| | |
| | | Okay, if you look through some of those other links you'll note
| that
| | has
| | | also occurred to others ... regretfully you are also "being put
| through
| | the
| | | wringer" with your card.
| | |
| | | |
| | | | Just been looking through the other links you suggested...
perhaps
| I
| | | should
| | | | be grateful I've got a Belkin & not a Linksys! General theme
| seems to
| | be
| | | | change the card. Hmmm. Not convinced - yet.
| | |
| | | Well you have to remember that 98 was designed more for phone
| access,
| | and
| | | within a network [business/commercial] which was handled by IT
or
| other
| | | "experts". And these newer adapters are not designed for 98 or
the
| older
| | | NTs. Not that the drivers would be difficult to provide, but
that
| the
| | | manufacturer's programmers rely more upon Microsoft, and of
course,
| the
| | | necessary MS certification. Moreover, the programmers can no
longer
| call
| | | Microsoft to discuss issues that might occur in Microsoft's
| un-supported
| | | OSs, so that leaves them as needing to actually know how to
program.
| | Look at
| | | any of the newer devices and you find these same difficulties.
| | |
| | | |
| | | | Yes, on your other point I did go into Safe Mode to remove the
| | 'device'
| | | | because you're right, previous experience on this ghosting
anomaly
| can
| | be
| | | | quite revealing, all taking up valuable resources.
| | |
| | | Yes, that's always been important. Many later errors and issues
can
| be
| | | back-traced to these ghosts.
| | |
| | | |
| | | | Finally, like I said when playing last night, I did remove all
| network
| | | | protocols, clients et al. I must admit I can't remember if I
| closed
| | down
| | | | before re-installing them or not. Can a card's drivers be
loaded
| | before
| | | the
| | | | Network elements are put in or does the network
clients/protocols
| have
| | to
| | | be
| | | | in place first?
| | |
| | | Okay, make sure you shutdown before resetting the network.
There is
| | | potentially a DUN issue [yeah we scratch our heads on this one,
| dial-up,
| | | huh, why would that effect a network adapter, but it IS part of
the
| | | network]. The card drivers can be added as soon as possible, you
| should
| | have
| | | had the Startup/New hardware found, ask for the drivers upon
| startup,
| | which
| | | then are supposed to install the necessary TCP/IP and other
files.
| | | One thing I have found, is having the CABS for 98 in
| | | {drive}:\Windows\Options\CABS, seems to ease installation of
most
| | devices.
| | | Just copy the Win98 folder and contents from the CD to that
folder.
| | |
| | | One registry entry needs changed though, so installations look
| there
| | rather
| | | than asking for the CDROM:
| | | ---------
| | | REGEDIT4
| | |
| | |
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup]
| | | "SourcePath"="C:\\WINDOWS\\OPTIONS\\CABS\\"
| | |
| | | -----------
| | | This can be placed into a TEXT editor [including the blank
line],
| saved
| | as
| | | option-source.reg, and merged. Modify that to your actual
windows
| | | directory/folder if necessary.
| | | It works much better if it was done before the update process
as
| any
| | | updated files are/were copied/placed there as well, meaning you
| won't be
| | | installing OLD outdated files from the CDROM.
| | |
| | | On installers generally:
| | | Looking at a number of NEW installers, I note that they
constantly
| check
| | for
| | | "administrator rights" [something necessary for NT] and NT
files,
| and
| | fail
| | | to include the old variables for "if its not present then do"
| [that's
| | not
| | | the actual inclusions just what was done] which the OLD cross
| platform
| | | installers included.
| | | The cross platforms now being addressed are XP and the
necessary
| VISTA
| | | "special" envelope/requirements.
| | |
| | | Let us know how it goes...
| | |
| | | |
| | | | Right! I better speak to the other guys now. Thanks for your
| help
| | MEB.
| | | |
| | | | Cheers,
| | | |
| | | | Sandy.
| | | --
| | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | | --
| | | _________
| | |
| | | |
| | | | "MEB" wrote:
| | | |
| | | |
| | | | Let me put both together:
| | | |
| | | | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | | | news | | | | | Hi MEB,
| | | | |
| | | | | Thanks for your response. I'll try to answer all your
| questions.
| | | | | The Belkin drivers I tried were versions 1, 2.4, 3.2, 6 &
7.
| | | | | I tried installing them by their installers and directly
from
| | their
| | | INF
| | | | | files (the latter wouldn't work at all!).
| | | | | I cleaned up as best I could after each time by using the
| | uninstaller,
| | | | | device manager to remove the device deleting the inf
folders
| under
| | | |
| | | | Did you make sure you didn't remove any you needed? I've
done
| that
| | | before.
| | | |
| | | | | Windows/inf/other and physically removing the card. I
must
| admit
| | to
| | | | | forgetting to try MS cleanup utility.
| | | | | It is Windows 98se and is as updated as it got prior to
| support
| | being
| | | | removed.
| | | |
| | | | Good, then at least that's not part of the issue.
| | | |
| | | | |
| | | | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | | | ...
| | | | | To continue...
| | | | |
| | | | | It's a PCChips M571 socket 7 mobo (yes I know it's ancient
but
| | it's
| | | served
| | | | | me well for many years!), other PCI cards apart form the
| Belkin
| | which
| | | | | currently is in slot 1, is a NVidia GeForce MX400 in slot
2
| and a
| | | Rockwell
| | | | | 56k modem (for FAX) in slot 3. There is just one ISA slot
for
| a
| | | | Soundblaster
| | | | | card.
| | | | |
| | | | | Hope this helps. Many thanks for your time.
| | | |
| | | | It does, gives a chance to check the specs out. Several
| versions of
| | the
| | | | board [as well as several *manufacturers*]
| | | | On board video and sound, no on board network.
| | | | No need to explain about the age, I also have several
dinosaurs
| | here,
| | | in
| | | | fact I'm using a 440BX .board for this.
| | | | The information I find suggest there were more slots, hmm.

Sorry, marked this for response and overlooked it. Don't get lost in the
page and links, it really isn't that difficult. The page is for general
diagnostics and information/links to other materials which might be
informative.

Post back with success or if more personal help is needed. Good luck.

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

"Sandy" wrote in message
...
| Hi MEB,
|
| Gosh! You've given me a lot to look at & explore. Give me some time to
| study all this and then I'll come back to you. Thanks.
|
| All the best,
|
| Sandy.
|
| "MEB" wrote:
|
|
|
| "Sandy" wrote in message
| ...
| | Good morning MEB and everybody else!
| |
| | OK some success. After going through the procedures we spoke about
last
| | week over the week-end, yes the NIC is now recognized properly, yes
the
| | drivers finally loaded successfully, but no, Windows says "there is a
| problem
| | with my NIC" on restart go & "run the troubleshooter"! As if I didn't
do
| | that in the first place!
| |
| | I have to say I think that this final message would rather indicate a
| faulty
| | card which may account for all the difficulties. What do you think?
| |
| | Regards, Sandy.
| |
|
| What is the EXACT error message and what is now shown in Control Panel

| Network. {NIC adapter {Belkin 54g wireless}}
|
| What you're looking for is TCP/IP set for Obtain IP automatically, no
| Gateway, no WINS, and other *INITIALLY*.
| HOWEVER, as this is part of a wireless network, the rest of the network
| must be found. RUN * winipcfg * in the Start RUN box.
| What is the address for your base unit/wireless router?
|
| Here's a general network diagnostic/setup page:
| http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/re...NETWORKING.htm
|
| --
| MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| --
| _________
|
| | "MEB" wrote:
| |
| | Okay, please keep us informed.
| |
| | --
| | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | --
| | _________
| |
| | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | ...
| | | Gosh... more stuff to think about! Thanks for that MEB. I'll
have a
| go
| | of
| | | your suggestions over the week-end and see what happens. I'll
come
| back
| | to
| | | you next week. See you then.
| | |
| | | Sandy.
| | |
| | | "MEB" wrote:
| | |
| | |
| | | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | | ...
| | | | Morning MEB (it is for me!),
| | | |
| | | | Thanks for your reply... lots of stuff for me to get my head
| round!
| | | |
| | | | The only INF files I removed were the folders listed as Belkin
&
| | Broadcom,
| | | | no others.
| | |
| | | Okay, that was important, we now can focus on other potentials.
| | |
| | | |
| | | | http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp - was
the
| | technique
| | | you
| | | | used similar to this?
| | | |
| | | | Just printed this off - useful stuff here, thanks. Yes sort
off
| in my
| | | | fumbling way trying to muddle through. There are some extra
steps
| I
| | can
| | | try
| | | | but what is really useful is I can follow through in a logical
| | sequence.
| | | | However, looking at the points between steps 15 & 16 ( I was
| having
| | | another
| | | | go last night whilst waiting for this post), I noticed the
card
| was
| | not
| | | | identified. However, I will go through Netgears' sequence now
| I've
| | got it
| | | &
| | | | see what happens.
| | |
| | | Okay, if you look through some of those other links you'll note
| that
| | has
| | | also occurred to others ... regretfully you are also "being put
| through
| | the
| | | wringer" with your card.
| | |
| | | |
| | | | Just been looking through the other links you suggested...
perhaps
| I
| | | should
| | | | be grateful I've got a Belkin & not a Linksys! General theme
| seems to
| | be
| | | | change the card. Hmmm. Not convinced - yet.
| | |
| | | Well you have to remember that 98 was designed more for phone
| access,
| | and
| | | within a network [business/commercial] which was handled by IT
or
| other
| | | "experts". And these newer adapters are not designed for 98 or
the
| older
| | | NTs. Not that the drivers would be difficult to provide, but
that
| the
| | | manufacturer's programmers rely more upon Microsoft, and of
course,
| the
| | | necessary MS certification. Moreover, the programmers can no
longer
| call
| | | Microsoft to discuss issues that might occur in Microsoft's
| un-supported
| | | OSs, so that leaves them as needing to actually know how to
program.
| | Look at
| | | any of the newer devices and you find these same difficulties.
| | |
| | | |
| | | | Yes, on your other point I did go into Safe Mode to remove the
| | 'device'
| | | | because you're right, previous experience on this ghosting
anomaly
| can
| | be
| | | | quite revealing, all taking up valuable resources.
| | |
| | | Yes, that's always been important. Many later errors and issues
can
| be
| | | back-traced to these ghosts.
| | |
| | | |
| | | | Finally, like I said when playing last night, I did remove all
| network
| | | | protocols, clients et al. I must admit I can't remember if I
| closed
| | down
| | | | before re-installing them or not. Can a card's drivers be
loaded
| | before
| | | the
| | | | Network elements are put in or does the network
clients/protocols
| have
| | to
| | | be
| | | | in place first?
| | |
| | | Okay, make sure you shutdown before resetting the network.
There is
| | | potentially a DUN issue [yeah we scratch our heads on this one,
| dial-up,
| | | huh, why would that effect a network adapter, but it IS part of
the
| | | network]. The card drivers can be added as soon as possible, you
| should
| | have
| | | had the Startup/New hardware found, ask for the drivers upon
| startup,
| | which
| | | then are supposed to install the necessary TCP/IP and other
files.
| | | One thing I have found, is having the CABS for 98 in
| | | {drive}:\Windows\Options\CABS, seems to ease installation of
most
| | devices.
| | | Just copy the Win98 folder and contents from the CD to that
folder.
| | |
| | | One registry entry needs changed though, so installations look
| there
| | rather
| | | than asking for the CDROM:
| | | ---------
| | | REGEDIT4
| | |
| | |
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup]
| | | "SourcePath"="C:\\WINDOWS\\OPTIONS\\CABS\\"
| | |
| | | -----------
| | | This can be placed into a TEXT editor [including the blank
line],
| saved
| | as
| | | option-source.reg, and merged. Modify that to your actual
windows
| | | directory/folder if necessary.
| | | It works much better if it was done before the update process
as
| any
| | | updated files are/were copied/placed there as well, meaning you
| won't be
| | | installing OLD outdated files from the CDROM.
| | |
| | | On installers generally:
| | | Looking at a number of NEW installers, I note that they
constantly
| check
| | for
| | | "administrator rights" [something necessary for NT] and NT
files,
| and
| | fail
| | | to include the old variables for "if its not present then do"
| [that's
| | not
| | | the actual inclusions just what was done] which the OLD cross
| platform
| | | installers included.
| | | The cross platforms now being addressed are XP and the
necessary
| VISTA
| | | "special" envelope/requirements.
| | |
| | | Let us know how it goes...
| | |
| | | |
| | | | Right! I better speak to the other guys now. Thanks for your
| help
| | MEB.
| | | |
| | | | Cheers,
| | | |
| | | | Sandy.
| | | --
| | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | | --
| | | _________
| | |
| | | |
| | | | "MEB" wrote:
| | | |
| | | |
| | | | Let me put both together:
| | | |
| | | | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | | | news | | | | | Hi MEB,
| | | | |
| | | | | Thanks for your response. I'll try to answer all your
| questions.
| | | | | The Belkin drivers I tried were versions 1, 2.4, 3.2, 6 &
7.
| | | | | I tried installing them by their installers and directly
from
| | their
| | | INF
| | | | | files (the latter wouldn't work at all!).
| | | | | I cleaned up as best I could after each time by using the
| | uninstaller,
| | | | | device manager to remove the device deleting the inf
folders
| under
| | | |
| | | | Did you make sure you didn't remove any you needed? I've
done
| that
| | | before.
| | | |
| | | | | Windows/inf/other and physically removing the card. I
must
| admit
| | to
| | | | | forgetting to try MS cleanup utility.
| | | | | It is Windows 98se and is as updated as it got prior to
| support
| | being
| | | | removed.
| | | |
| | | | Good, then at least that's not part of the issue.
| | | |
| | | | |
| | | | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | | | ...
| | | | | To continue...
| | | | |
| | | | | It's a PCChips M571 socket 7 mobo (yes I know it's ancient
but
| | it's
| | | served
| | | | | me well for many years!), other PCI cards apart form the
| Belkin
| | which
| | | | | currently is in slot 1, is a NVidia GeForce MX400 in slot
2
| and a
| | | Rockwell
| | | | | 56k modem (for FAX) in slot 3. There is just one ISA slot
for
| a
| | | | Soundblaster
| | | | | card.
| | | | |
| | | | | Hope this helps. Many thanks for your time.
| | | |
| | | | It does, gives a chance to check the specs out. Several
| versions of
| | the
| | | | board [as well as several *manufacturers*]
| | | | On board video and sound, no on board network.
| | | | No need to explain about the age, I also have several
dinosaurs
| | here,
| | | in
| | | | fact I'm using a 440BX .board for this.
| | | | The information I find suggest there were more slots, hmm.

Hello MEB,

I've had some time to examine your webpage, lots of useful stuff on
networking and problems with, but I didn't find much on troubleshooting
adapter installation. But to answer your last questions about the EXACT
error message, this happens on boot-up and/or restart: Windows Networking
window pops up...
"Your network adapter Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter (0001) is not
working properly. You may need to set it up again. For more information,
see the Network Troubleshooter in Windows Help".

You also asked what is listed in Control PanelNetworks:
Client for Microsoft Networks
Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
Dial-Up Adapter
TCP/IP-Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
TCP/IP-Dial-Up Adapter
and...
Primary Network Logon: Windows Logon.

There's no problems with the modem/router as 3 other remote computers in my
network connect to it OK. Have we come to the end of the road?

Cheers, Sandy.

"MEB" wrote:

Sorry, marked this for response and overlooked it. Don't get lost in the
page and links, it really isn't that difficult. The page is for general
diagnostics and information/links to other materials which might be
informative.

Post back with success or if more personal help is needed. Good luck.

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

"Sandy" wrote in message
...
| Hi MEB,
|
| Gosh! You've given me a lot to look at & explore. Give me some time to
| study all this and then I'll come back to you. Thanks.
|
| All the best,
|
| Sandy.
|
| "MEB" wrote:
|
|
|
| "Sandy" wrote in message
| ...
| | Good morning MEB and everybody else!
| |
| | OK some success. After going through the procedures we spoke about
last
| | week over the week-end, yes the NIC is now recognized properly, yes
the
| | drivers finally loaded successfully, but no, Windows says "there is a
| problem
| | with my NIC" on restart go & "run the troubleshooter"! As if I didn't
do
| | that in the first place!
| |
| | I have to say I think that this final message would rather indicate a
| faulty
| | card which may account for all the difficulties. What do you think?
| |
| | Regards, Sandy.
| |
|
| What is the EXACT error message and what is now shown in Control Panel

| Network. {NIC adapter {Belkin 54g wireless}}
|
| What you're looking for is TCP/IP set for Obtain IP automatically, no
| Gateway, no WINS, and other *INITIALLY*.
| HOWEVER, as this is part of a wireless network, the rest of the network
| must be found. RUN * winipcfg * in the Start RUN box.
| What is the address for your base unit/wireless router?
|
| Here's a general network diagnostic/setup page:
| http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/re...NETWORKING.htm
|
| --
| MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| --
| _________
|
| | "MEB" wrote:
| |
| | Okay, please keep us informed.
| |
| | --
| | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | --
| | _________
| |
| | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | ...
| | | Gosh... more stuff to think about! Thanks for that MEB. I'll
have a
| go
| | of
| | | your suggestions over the week-end and see what happens. I'll
come
| back
| | to
| | | you next week. See you then.
| | |
| | | Sandy.
| | |
| | | "MEB" wrote:
| | |
| | |
| | | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | | ...
| | | | Morning MEB (it is for me!),
| | | |
| | | | Thanks for your reply... lots of stuff for me to get my head
| round!
| | | |
| | | | The only INF files I removed were the folders listed as Belkin
&
| | Broadcom,
| | | | no others.
| | |
| | | Okay, that was important, we now can focus on other potentials.
| | |
| | | |
| | | | http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp - was
the
| | technique
| | | you
| | | | used similar to this?
| | | |
| | | | Just printed this off - useful stuff here, thanks. Yes sort
off
| in my
| | | | fumbling way trying to muddle through. There are some extra
steps
| I
| | can
| | | try
| | | | but what is really useful is I can follow through in a logical
| | sequence.
| | | | However, looking at the points between steps 15 & 16 ( I was
| having
| | | another
| | | | go last night whilst waiting for this post), I noticed the
card
| was
| | not
| | | | identified. However, I will go through Netgears' sequence now
| I've
| | got it
| | | &
| | | | see what happens.
| | |
| | | Okay, if you look through some of those other links you'll note
| that
| | has
| | | also occurred to others ... regretfully you are also "being put
| through
| | the
| | | wringer" with your card.
| | |
| | | |
| | | | Just been looking through the other links you suggested...
perhaps
| I
| | | should
| | | | be grateful I've got a Belkin & not a Linksys! General theme
| seems to
| | be
| | | | change the card. Hmmm. Not convinced - yet.
| | |
| | | Well you have to remember that 98 was designed more for phone
| access,
| | and
| | | within a network [business/commercial] which was handled by IT
or
| other
| | | "experts". And these newer adapters are not designed for 98 or
the
| older
| | | NTs. Not that the drivers would be difficult to provide, but
that
| the
| | | manufacturer's programmers rely more upon Microsoft, and of
course,
| the
| | | necessary MS certification. Moreover, the programmers can no
longer
| call
| | | Microsoft to discuss issues that might occur in Microsoft's
| un-supported
| | | OSs, so that leaves them as needing to actually know how to
program.
| | Look at
| | | any of the newer devices and you find these same difficulties.
| | |
| | | |
| | | | Yes, on your other point I did go into Safe Mode to remove the
| | 'device'
| | | | because you're right, previous experience on this ghosting
anomaly
| can
| | be
| | | | quite revealing, all taking up valuable resources.
| | |
| | | Yes, that's always been important. Many later errors and issues
can
| be
| | | back-traced to these ghosts.
| | |
| | | |
| | | | Finally, like I said when playing last night, I did remove all
| network
| | | | protocols, clients et al. I must admit I can't remember if I
| closed
| | down
| | | | before re-installing them or not. Can a card's drivers be
loaded
| | before
| | | the
| | | | Network elements are put in or does the network
clients/protocols
| have
| | to
| | | be
| | | | in place first?
| | |
| | | Okay, make sure you shutdown before resetting the network.
There is
| | | potentially a DUN issue [yeah we scratch our heads on this one,
| dial-up,
| | | huh, why would that effect a network adapter, but it IS part of
the
| | | network]. The card drivers can be added as soon as possible, you
| should
| | have
| | | had the Startup/New hardware found, ask for the drivers upon
| startup,
| | which
| | | then are supposed to install the necessary TCP/IP and other
files.
| | | One thing I have found, is having the CABS for 98 in
| | | {drive}:\Windows\Options\CABS, seems to ease installation of
most
| | devices.
| | | Just copy the Win98 folder and contents from the CD to that
folder.
| | |
| | | One registry entry needs changed though, so installations look
| there
| | rather
| | | than asking for the CDROM:
| | | ---------
| | | REGEDIT4
| | |
| | |
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup]
| | | "SourcePath"="C:\\WINDOWS\\OPTIONS\\CABS\\"
| | |
| | | -----------
| | | This can be placed into a TEXT editor [including the blank
line],
| saved
| | as
| | | option-source.reg, and merged. Modify that to your actual
windows
| | | directory/folder if necessary.
| | | It works much better if it was done before the update process
as
| any
| | | updated files are/were copied/placed there as well, meaning you
| won't be
| | | installing OLD outdated files from the CDROM.
| | |
| | | On installers generally:
| | | Looking at a number of NEW installers, I note that they
constantly
| check
| | for
| | | "administrator rights" [something necessary for NT] and NT
files,
| and
| | fail
| | | to include the old variables for "if its not present then do"
| [that's
| | not
| | | the actual inclusions just what was done] which the OLD cross
| platform
| | | installers included.
| | | The cross platforms now being addressed are XP and the
necessary
| VISTA
| | | "special" envelope/requirements.
| | |
| | | Let us know how it goes...
| | |
| | | |
| | | | Right! I better speak to the other guys now. Thanks for your
| help
| | MEB.
| | | |
| | | | Cheers,
| | | |
| | | | Sandy.
| | | --
| | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | | --
| | | _________
| | |
| | | |
| | | | "MEB" wrote:
| | | |
| | | |
| | | | Let me put both together:
| | | |
| | | | "Sandy" wrote in message
| | | | news