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On Dec 21, 12:44 pm, "MEB" meb@not wrote:
EVERY critical server area is environmentally controlled, due, in part, to
the massive and diverse types of pollutants now found in common air;
that's.the air across the planet, from pole to pole.

Yes people are dropping in the street killed by this corrosive and
polluted air. Meanwhile, that same air is routinely taken into
account by responsible connector manufacturers. Even GM finally
conceded to better connectors after suffering routine computer
failures.

Using those manufacturer numbers, electronics is routinely designed
to make that corrosion - and much more - completely irrelevant. One
who designs and any tech that learned from manufacturer datasheets
would know this. Those who are trained in myth will clean contacts
with an eraser to fix electronics. Those trained in myths never
learned that all connectors are self cleaning when reseated.

MEB only posts popular myths. No facts, no numbers, no example ...
just some mythical belief that all electronics everywhere operate in
rooms that remove hydrocarbons, sulfur, and other pollutants so that
electronics do not fail. Meanwhile, cars that have no such protection
are routinely found abandoned on every road. MEB tells us this is
so ... without numbers, facts .... Junk science is alive and well
among computer assemblers who never learned basic electronic
principles, who misrepresent themselves as trained, and who use
erasers to clean contacts.

MEB posts nothing helpful for the OP and his problem. Suspects
could have been identified in but a minute using a 3.5 digit
multimeter, some basic electrical knowledge, and replies from those
who this stuff. How does the OP use an eraser on power supply
connectors? Oh. MEB posts about the completely irrelevant. While
posting without any numbers, manufacturer knowledge, or … well, this
dirty air that is killing all humans and that is magically filtered
where ever electronics exist … finally explains why all automobiles
now fail in months. Finally MEB explains the world. Junk science is
alive and well.

On Dec 21, 12:44 pm, "MEB" meb@not wrote:
EVERY critical server area is environmentally controlled, due, in part, to
the massive and diverse types of pollutants now found in common air;
that's.the air across the planet, from pole to pole.

Yes people are dropping in the street killed by this corrosive and
polluted air. Meanwhile, that same air is routinely taken into
account by responsible connector manufacturers. Even GM finally
conceded to better connectors after suffering routine computer
failures.

Using those manufacturer numbers, electronics is routinely designed
to make that corrosion - and much more - completely irrelevant. One
who designs and any tech that learned from manufacturer datasheets
would know this. Those who are trained in myth will clean contacts
with an eraser to fix electronics. Those trained in myths never
learned that all connectors are self cleaning when reseated.

MEB only posts popular myths. No facts, no numbers, no example ...
just some mythical belief that all electronics everywhere operate in
rooms that remove hydrocarbons, sulfur, and other pollutants so that
electronics do not fail. Meanwhile, cars that have no such protection
are routinely found abandoned on every road. MEB tells us this is
so ... without numbers, facts .... Junk science is alive and well
among computer assemblers who never learned basic electronic
principles, who misrepresent themselves as trained, and who use
erasers to clean contacts.

MEB posts nothing helpful for the OP and his problem. Suspects
could have been identified in but a minute using a 3.5 digit
multimeter, some basic electrical knowledge, and replies from those
who this stuff. How does the OP use an eraser on power supply
connectors? Oh. MEB posts about the completely irrelevant. While
posting without any numbers, manufacturer knowledge, or … well, this
dirty air that is killing all humans and that is magically filtered
where ever electronics exist … finally explains why all automobiles
now fail in months. Finally MEB explains the world. Junk science is
alive and well.

wrote:
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MEB posts nothing helpful for the OP and his problem. Suspects
could have been identified in but a minute using a 3.5 digit
multimeter, some basic electrical knowledge, and replies from those
who this stuff. How does the OP use an eraser on power supply
connectors? Oh. MEB posts about the completely irrelevant. While
posting without any numbers, manufacturer knowledge, or … well, this
dirty air that is killing all humans and that is magically filtered
where ever electronics exist … finally explains why all automobiles
now fail in months. Finally MEB explains the world. Junk science is
alive and well.


So is most of the advice you give which is mainly 'take it to a tech' and
spend money.
You sound like a 'brand-new' tech just out of class, but you claim to have
been doing it for many years.
You helped the OP zilch with your theories and pompousness.

PS: I had to use emery paper on the blade contact on my temperature sensor
on my Mitsubishi and than I used WD-40 to help protect that connection. It
worked and I didn't have to spend hundreds of dollars to take it to the
dealer.

wrote:
[snip]

MEB posts nothing helpful for the OP and his problem. Suspects
could have been identified in but a minute using a 3.5 digit
multimeter, some basic electrical knowledge, and replies from those
who this stuff. How does the OP use an eraser on power supply
connectors? Oh. MEB posts about the completely irrelevant. While
posting without any numbers, manufacturer knowledge, or … well, this
dirty air that is killing all humans and that is magically filtered
where ever electronics exist … finally explains why all automobiles
now fail in months. Finally MEB explains the world. Junk science is
alive and well.


So is most of the advice you give which is mainly 'take it to a tech' and
spend money.
You sound like a 'brand-new' tech just out of class, but you claim to have
been doing it for many years.
You helped the OP zilch with your theories and pompousness.

PS: I had to use emery paper on the blade contact on my temperature sensor
on my Mitsubishi and than I used WD-40 to help protect that connection. It
worked and I didn't have to spend hundreds of dollars to take it to the
dealer.

wrote:

Yes, as stated previously, some problems such as a missing AC
noise filters will not be detected. But those are outside the
context of this discussion. Multimeter also will not detect a
stolen presidential election. That too is outside the context.
A multimeter will always locate a supply defect that causes the
system to not boot or work reliably. The meter either says the
supply is perfectly good - move on to other suspect. Or the meter
says this power supply is defective - must be replaced. Both are
definitive answers.

That is an example of Tom's usual utter nonsense. For what it's
worth, before you believe anything that "westom1" says, do an author
history search for "w_tom" (his most recent prior alias). Tom
preaches that surge protectors are useless. Tom also frequently
advises ordinary people to open up their computer while it's running
and probe around with metal multimeter leads. Nobody knows why, but
Tom searches the USENET archive for terms like "surge protector" and
"power supply" so he can jump into the group/thread to spread
hazardous advice.



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wrote:

Yes, as stated previously, some problems such as a missing AC
noise filters will not be detected. But those are outside the
context of this discussion. Multimeter also will not detect a
stolen presidential election. That too is outside the context.
A multimeter will always locate a supply defect that causes the
system to not boot or work reliably. The meter either says the
supply is perfectly good - move on to other suspect. Or the meter
says this power supply is defective - must be replaced. Both are
definitive answers.

That is an example of Tom's usual utter nonsense. For what it's
worth, before you believe anything that "westom1" says, do an author
history search for "w_tom" (his most recent prior alias). Tom
preaches that surge protectors are useless. Tom also frequently
advises ordinary people to open up their computer while it's running
and probe around with metal multimeter leads. Nobody knows why, but
Tom searches the USENET archive for terms like "surge protector" and
"power supply" so he can jump into the group/thread to spread
hazardous advice.



--
Land Skis (rough terrain skates). The first rollerblades with a big
front wheel and small trailing wheels, to help roll over obstacles
while maintaining a low stance.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/27532210@N04/3056505603

Those who believe tech sheets as absolute FACT really should see a
psychiatrist, and that generally includes MOST engineers.

These are the same group of individuals that have relied upon manufacturing
spec sheets that caused:

numerous roof collapses due to manufacturing defects [including engineering
failures] AND failure by the original engineer to properly consider span
stress and roof loads...; BILLIONS in Insurance settlements and rebuilding

bridge collapses due to failure to understand and consider environmental
impacts of salt, load stress, and environmental pollutants; AND wind and
traffic harmonic effects, among others....;

nuclear disasters causing vast environmental damage, human defects and
other; TRILLIONS in environmental cleanup and medical care;

building collapses due to reliance upon manufacturing spec sheets and poor
design; BILLIONS

aircraft crashes due to reliance upon manufacturing spec sheets and poor
designs, electrical failures, computer failures, and on and on; TRILLIONS in
Insurance settlements;

automotive disasters, such as fuel tank explosions, brake failures, steering
linkage failures, and on and on.... BILLIONS in recalls and Insurance
settlements;

and the list goes on..... all because engineers FAIL to understand the real
world, where manufacturer's CLAIMS are BARELY worth the paper they're
printed upon... and where engineers point to those same specs to cover their
own failures....
Mind you, engineers have their place, but it certainly isn't to replace
logic, fact, and sensibility.

So take your JUNK science to a forum where it MIGHT be
acceptable,,, here we live [or at least some of us do] in the REAL WORLD. We
have a brain, and a few of us actually LOOK at this world in which we live
and attempt to understand it.

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org
a Peoples' counsel

Windows diagnostics/Security/Networking:
http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm
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wrote in message
...
On Dec 21, 12:44 pm, "MEB" meb@not wrote:
EVERY critical server area is environmentally controlled, due, in part,
to
the massive and diverse types of pollutants now found in common air;
that's.the air across the planet, from pole to pole.

Yes people are dropping in the street killed by this corrosive and
polluted air. Meanwhile, that same air is routinely taken into
account by responsible connector manufacturers. Even GM finally
conceded to better connectors after suffering routine computer
failures.

Using those manufacturer numbers, electronics is routinely designed
to make that corrosion - and much more - completely irrelevant. One
who designs and any tech that learned from manufacturer datasheets
would know this. Those who are trained in myth will clean contacts
with an eraser to fix electronics. Those trained in myths never
learned that all connectors are self cleaning when reseated.

MEB only posts popular myths. No facts, no numbers, no example ...
just some mythical belief that all electronics everywhere operate in
rooms that remove hydrocarbons, sulfur, and other pollutants so that
electronics do not fail. Meanwhile, cars that have no such protection
are routinely found abandoned on every road. MEB tells us this is
so ... without numbers, facts .... Junk science is alive and well
among computer assemblers who never learned basic electronic
principles, who misrepresent themselves as trained, and who use
erasers to clean contacts.

MEB posts nothing helpful for the OP and his problem. Suspects
could have been identified in but a minute using a 3.5 digit
multimeter, some basic electrical knowledge, and replies from those
who this stuff. How does the OP use an eraser on power supply
connectors? Oh. MEB posts about the completely irrelevant. While
posting without any numbers, manufacturer knowledge, or … well, this
dirty air that is killing all humans and that is magically filtered
where ever electronics exist … finally explains why all automobiles
now fail in months. Finally MEB explains the world. Junk science is
alive and well.

Those who believe tech sheets as absolute FACT really should see a
psychiatrist, and that generally includes MOST engineers.

These are the same group of individuals that have relied upon manufacturing
spec sheets that caused:

numerous roof collapses due to manufacturing defects [including engineering
failures] AND failure by the original engineer to properly consider span
stress and roof loads...; BILLIONS in Insurance settlements and rebuilding

bridge collapses due to failure to understand and consider environmental
impacts of salt, load stress, and environmental pollutants; AND wind and
traffic harmonic effects, among others....;

nuclear disasters causing vast environmental damage, human defects and
other; TRILLIONS in environmental cleanup and medical care;

building collapses due to reliance upon manufacturing spec sheets and poor
design; BILLIONS

aircraft crashes due to reliance upon manufacturing spec sheets and poor
designs, electrical failures, computer failures, and on and on; TRILLIONS in
Insurance settlements;

automotive disasters, such as fuel tank explosions, brake failures, steering
linkage failures, and on and on.... BILLIONS in recalls and Insurance
settlements;

and the list goes on..... all because engineers FAIL to understand the real
world, where manufacturer's CLAIMS are BARELY worth the paper they're
printed upon... and where engineers point to those same specs to cover their
own failures....
Mind you, engineers have their place, but it certainly isn't to replace
logic, fact, and sensibility.

So take your JUNK science to a forum where it MIGHT be
acceptable,,, here we live [or at least some of us do] in the REAL WORLD. We
have a brain, and a few of us actually LOOK at this world in which we live
and attempt to understand it.

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org
a Peoples' counsel

Windows diagnostics/Security/Networking:
http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm
_ _
~~
wrote in message
...
On Dec 21, 12:44 pm, "MEB" meb@not wrote:
EVERY critical server area is environmentally controlled, due, in part,
to
the massive and diverse types of pollutants now found in common air;
that's.the air across the planet, from pole to pole.

Yes people are dropping in the street killed by this corrosive and
polluted air. Meanwhile, that same air is routinely taken into
account by responsible connector manufacturers. Even GM finally
conceded to better connectors after suffering routine computer
failures.

Using those manufacturer numbers, electronics is routinely designed
to make that corrosion - and much more - completely irrelevant. One
who designs and any tech that learned from manufacturer datasheets
would know this. Those who are trained in myth will clean contacts
with an eraser to fix electronics. Those trained in myths never
learned that all connectors are self cleaning when reseated.

MEB only posts popular myths. No facts, no numbers, no example ...
just some mythical belief that all electronics everywhere operate in
rooms that remove hydrocarbons, sulfur, and other pollutants so that
electronics do not fail. Meanwhile, cars that have no such protection
are routinely found abandoned on every road. MEB tells us this is
so ... without numbers, facts .... Junk science is alive and well
among computer assemblers who never learned basic electronic
principles, who misrepresent themselves as trained, and who use
erasers to clean contacts.

MEB posts nothing helpful for the OP and his problem. Suspects
could have been identified in but a minute using a 3.5 digit
multimeter, some basic electrical knowledge, and replies from those
who this stuff. How does the OP use an eraser on power supply
connectors? Oh. MEB posts about the completely irrelevant. While
posting without any numbers, manufacturer knowledge, or … well, this
dirty air that is killing all humans and that is magically filtered
where ever electronics exist … finally explains why all automobiles
now fail in months. Finally MEB explains the world. Junk science is
alive and well.

Oh forgot to include these:

Let's NOT forget the unknown TRILLIONS lost due to such simple things as
o-ring failures, electrical failures, and other on rockets and other space
equipment... these have caused some substantial disasters and loss of life
as well.

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org
a Peoples' counsel

Windows diagnostics/Security/Networking:
http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm
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Oh forgot to include these:

Let's NOT forget the unknown TRILLIONS lost due to such simple things as
o-ring failures, electrical failures, and other on rockets and other space
equipment... these have caused some substantial disasters and loss of life
as well.

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org
a Peoples' counsel

Windows diagnostics/Security/Networking:
http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm
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~~