best LCD monitor(s) to buy - please help

"Sunny" wrote in message
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"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
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On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:13:30 -0700, "Adam" put
finger to keyboard and composed:

Not sure what's the best newsgroup for this topic so here goes ...

I'm thinking about replacing my ViewSonic P815 monitor from CRT to LCD.

I'm assuming that you will attach your monitor to a Win98 box, and I'm
also assuming that your video card is not the latest and greatest.

If so, then I'd be careful that any monitor I chose had a native
resolution that was supported by my card.

2 Days ago I replaced my wife's 19" monitor and my 21" monitor
(HitachiCM771 and Hitachi CM813)
with :
a. Samsung 22" wide screen LCD - 2243BWX, and
b. Samsung 22" wide screen LCD - T220

The 2243BWX is running WinXP with a NVIDIA MX440 at 1024x768
The T220 is running WinXP and Win98SE with a NVIDIA 8500GT at 1024x768
(also Win98SE, using a 64Mb Voodoo V5 video card (KVM switch)

The LCD screens are actually the same vertical size as the 21" CRT
monitor.

Out of the two the T220 seems better, although the stand only has a tilt
function not swivel like the 2243BWX.

The T220 has no difficulty swapping between WinXP and Win98SE computers,
as it auto adjusts each time and the 2ms response time is far better for
flight sims than the 5ms of the 2243BWX.

Actually installing the monitor driver was far easier on the Win98SE box,
as it detected "new hardware" and three mouse clicks all was finished.
(The WinXP driver had to be installed as "change monitor driver", after
the XP auto installed a plug and play monitor with no on screen
notification) :-)

Overall, so far, the T220 is brilliant IMHO.



That's great info! Thanks!

I'm finding that the pivot (rotation) feature might make more sense for
the more rectangular LCD monitors.

"Sunny" wrote in message
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"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
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On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:13:30 -0700, "Adam" put
finger to keyboard and composed:

Not sure what's the best newsgroup for this topic so here goes ...

I'm thinking about replacing my ViewSonic P815 monitor from CRT to LCD.

I'm assuming that you will attach your monitor to a Win98 box, and I'm
also assuming that your video card is not the latest and greatest.

If so, then I'd be careful that any monitor I chose had a native
resolution that was supported by my card.

2 Days ago I replaced my wife's 19" monitor and my 21" monitor
(HitachiCM771 and Hitachi CM813)
with :
a. Samsung 22" wide screen LCD - 2243BWX, and
b. Samsung 22" wide screen LCD - T220

The 2243BWX is running WinXP with a NVIDIA MX440 at 1024x768
The T220 is running WinXP and Win98SE with a NVIDIA 8500GT at 1024x768
(also Win98SE, using a 64Mb Voodoo V5 video card (KVM switch)

The LCD screens are actually the same vertical size as the 21" CRT
monitor.

Out of the two the T220 seems better, although the stand only has a tilt
function not swivel like the 2243BWX.

The T220 has no difficulty swapping between WinXP and Win98SE computers,
as it auto adjusts each time and the 2ms response time is far better for
flight sims than the 5ms of the 2243BWX.

Actually installing the monitor driver was far easier on the Win98SE box,
as it detected "new hardware" and three mouse clicks all was finished.
(The WinXP driver had to be installed as "change monitor driver", after
the XP auto installed a plug and play monitor with no on screen
notification) :-)

Overall, so far, the T220 is brilliant IMHO.



Regarding height/vertical size, I just realize that
the stand is included in the measurement.
This makes it tough to calculate which monitors will work best for
the dual monitor setup in the space that I have (~24" width is the limiting
factor).

"Adam" wrote in message
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"dadiOH" wrote in message
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Adam wrote:
"dadiOH" wrote in message
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Adam wrote:
Not sure what's the best newsgroup for this topic so here goes ...

I'm thinking about replacing my ViewSonic P815 monitor from CRT to
LCD. I'm always on the computer (working) so I need a nice setup.

So far, I've found good reviews on the following LCD monitors ...

1) (W=20.5"; H=20.5") Samsung T220 Black/Red 22" Widescreen LCD
Monitor
2) (W=20.2"; H=16.3") Dell SP2208WFP Silver 22" Widescreen LCD
Monitor


An FYI...

If you get a 21" widescreen monitor you will have more area on the
monitor but the size of things will be smaller than they are on your
21" CRT. They would be about the size they would be if you viewed
them on a 17" CRT. To get images the same size as on your 21" CRT,
you'd need a widescreen monitor that is 26"+ diagonally.

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If you mean images appear zoomed in (or resolution is lower) on
widescreen LCD monitors, then that's a good point that slipped my
mind. In that case, it might be better to go with the following ...

No, I am talking about the vertical dimension of the screen. A 21" wide
screen monitor will have a smaller vertical dimension than a 21"
non-widescreen monitor.


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Oh, yes, I'm actually comparing the dimensions right now.
CRT monitors are more square while
widescreen LCD monitors tend to be more rectangular.
But, even within widescreen LCD monitors,
the difference can be significant. For example ...

1) (W=17.43"; H=17.3") Dell UltraSharp 1908WFP 19" Widescreen LCD Monitor
2) (W=18.62"; H=17.08") Dell UltraSharp 2009W 20" Widescreen LCD Monitor
3) (W=20.13"; H=18.12") Dell UltraSharp 2208WFP 22" Widescreen LCD Monitor
4) (W=19.9"; H=14.78") Samsung 2243BWX 22" Widescreen LCD Monitor

The dimensions of the Dell widescreen LCD Monitors are
more square (which is good, I guess) than the Samsung.
I'm not sure whether the dimensions include the case enclosure or not.



- (W=19.9"; H=19.19") ViewSonic P815 21" CRT Monitor

You do not have to worry about how square or wide the monitor is, provided
that your display adapter card provides a mode that supports the monitor.
For instance, the common format of 1152x864 is 4/3 (nearly square) whilst a
display of 1280x720 is about 9/5 and distinctly rectangular. Matching the
adapter card abilities to the natural resolution of the screen is more
important than whether it's square or wide.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Adam" wrote in message
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Oh, yes, I'm actually comparing the dimensions right now.
CRT monitors are more square while
widescreen LCD monitors tend to be more rectangular.
But, even within widescreen LCD monitors,
the difference can be significant. For example ...

1) (W=17.43"; H=17.3") Dell UltraSharp 1908WFP 19" Widescreen LCD
Monitor
2) (W=18.62"; H=17.08") Dell UltraSharp 2009W 20" Widescreen LCD
Monitor
3) (W=20.13"; H=18.12") Dell UltraSharp 2208WFP 22" Widescreen LCD
Monitor
4) (W=19.9"; H=14.78") Samsung 2243BWX 22" Widescreen LCD Monitor

The dimensions of the Dell widescreen LCD Monitors are
more square (which is good, I guess) than the Samsung.
I'm not sure whether the dimensions include the case enclosure or not.

Due to space limitations (width-wise), I need to worry about
the width and height (side-to-side) of the monitor(s).


"Jeff Richards" wrote in message
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You do not have to worry about how square or wide the monitor is, provided
that your display adapter card provides a mode that supports the monitor.
For instance, the common format of 1152x864 is 4/3 (nearly square) whilst a
display of 1280x720 is about 9/5 and distinctly rectangular. Matching the
adapter card abilities to the natural resolution of the screen is more
important than whether it's square or wide.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Adam" wrote in message
...

snip

Oh, yes, I'm actually comparing the dimensions right now.
CRT monitors are more square while
widescreen LCD monitors tend to be more rectangular.
But, even within widescreen LCD monitors,
the difference can be significant. For example ...

1) (W=17.43"; H=17.3") Dell UltraSharp 1908WFP 19" Widescreen LCD
Monitor
2) (W=18.62"; H=17.08") Dell UltraSharp 2009W 20" Widescreen LCD
Monitor
3) (W=20.13"; H=18.12") Dell UltraSharp 2208WFP 22" Widescreen LCD
Monitor
4) (W=19.9"; H=14.78") Samsung 2243BWX 22" Widescreen LCD Monitor

The dimensions of the Dell widescreen LCD Monitors are
more square (which is good, I guess) than the Samsung.
I'm not sure whether the dimensions include the case enclosure or not.

On Fri, 26 Sep 2008 09:10:44 +1000, "Sunny"
put finger to keyboard and composed:


"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
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On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:13:30 -0700, "Adam" put
finger to keyboard and composed:

Not sure what's the best newsgroup for this topic so here goes ...

I'm thinking about replacing my ViewSonic P815 monitor from CRT to LCD.

I'm assuming that you will attach your monitor to a Win98 box, and I'm
also assuming that your video card is not the latest and greatest.

If so, then I'd be careful that any monitor I chose had a native
resolution that was supported by my card.

2 Days ago I replaced my wife's 19" monitor and my 21" monitor
(HitachiCM771 and Hitachi CM813)
with :
a. Samsung 22" wide screen LCD - 2243BWX, and
b. Samsung 22" wide screen LCD - T220

The 2243BWX is running WinXP with a NVIDIA MX440 at 1024x768
The T220 is running WinXP and Win98SE with a NVIDIA 8500GT at 1024x768
(also Win98SE, using a 64Mb Voodoo V5 video card (KVM switch)

Both monitors have a 1680x1050 native resolution, ie an aspect ratio
of 16:10. However, your card's aspect ratio is 4:3, ie 16:12.

It seems to me that you are missing out on a lot. For one thing, I
don't believe you can take advantage of XP's ClearType at non-native
resolutions.

Secondly, if your image is filling the screen, then the monitor must
be stretching the horizontal. This means that human figures would look
shorter and fatter.

- Franc Zabkar
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Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

I bought a new LCD monitor not very long ago because the screen size on my
old CRT Optiquest Monitor kept getting smaller and smaller because it was
wearing out. I am happy with my current monitor and it is a Viewsonic
monitor with a VGA connection. I was also considering a Samsung monitor but
decided not to go with DVI even though my graphics card could support it. I
currently use an ATI Radeon 9800 XT graphics card which I find to be really
awesome and do not want to change it until I have to in the future.
Fortunately, most of the games coming out require ATI Radeon 9500 or better
since ATI continues to support their graphics cards that are Radeon 9500 and
better for games. I know Nvidia is the current leader but ever since the
failed update from a 3dfx graphics card to an Nvidia G-Force and then the
successful update from the 3dfx graphics card to the ATI Radeon card, I have
been an ATI fan and have found their customer service to be helpful to me as
well as their backwards compatibility. The thing is that I like Intel CPU's
better than AMD CPU's so I find the only way to keep me happy is to have a
fully customized machine that I suggest to everyone who enjoys working with
their computers(s).

"Adam" wrote:


"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
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On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:13:30 -0700, "Adam" put
finger to keyboard and composed:

Not sure what's the best newsgroup for this topic so here goes ...

I'm thinking about replacing my ViewSonic P815 monitor from CRT to LCD.

I'm assuming that you will attach your monitor to a Win98 box, and I'm
also assuming that your video card is not the latest and greatest.

If so, then I'd be careful that any monitor I chose had a native
resolution that was supported by my card.

- Franc Zabkar
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Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.


I have the following video card ...
- ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128 MB 256-bit DDR 8x AGP

It should work fine with the dual LCD monitor setup, right?

BTW, in case you're wondering why I'm thinking about
replacing my beloved ViewSonic P815 CRT monitor,
the bulky size (depth-wise) pushes the monitor too far forward or
too close, which is causing me to have nearsighted vision and
destroying my farsighted vision.

"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
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On Fri, 26 Sep 2008 09:10:44 +1000, "Sunny"
put finger to keyboard and composed:


"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
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On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:13:30 -0700, "Adam" put
finger to keyboard and composed:

Not sure what's the best newsgroup for this topic so here goes ...

I'm thinking about replacing my ViewSonic P815 monitor from CRT to
LCD.

I'm assuming that you will attach your monitor to a Win98 box, and I'm
also assuming that your video card is not the latest and greatest.

If so, then I'd be careful that any monitor I chose had a native
resolution that was supported by my card.

2 Days ago I replaced my wife's 19" monitor and my 21" monitor
(HitachiCM771 and Hitachi CM813)
with :
a. Samsung 22" wide screen LCD - 2243BWX, and
b. Samsung 22" wide screen LCD - T220

The 2243BWX is running WinXP with a NVIDIA MX440 at 1024x768
The T220 is running WinXP and Win98SE with a NVIDIA 8500GT at 1024x768
(also Win98SE, using a 64Mb Voodoo V5 video card (KVM switch)

Both monitors have a 1680x1050 native resolution, ie an aspect ratio
of 16:10. However, your card's aspect ratio is 4:3, ie 16:12.

It seems to me that you are missing out on a lot. For one thing, I
don't believe you can take advantage of XP's ClearType at non-native
resolutions.

Secondly, if your image is filling the screen, then the monitor must
be stretching the horizontal. This means that human figures would look
shorter and fatter.

I had a quick try at 1680 x 1050, didn't bother adjusting the "window" to
fit the screen, when it looked like I needed a magnifying glass to read
anything :-)

The Win98SE Flight Sims I play use 600 x 800 (a couple use 640 x ?) and
are actually Win95/DOS etc.

Have kept away from LCD monitors so far, because they were not fast
enough, however the 2ms Samsung seems OK.

Typing is as clear as the old monitor, and the "stretching is not really
apparent to my (old) eyes :-)

"Adam" wrote in message
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- (W=19.9"; H=19.19") ViewSonic P815 21" CRT Monitor

Just went out and measured the old 21" monitor
Hitachi CM813 :
Dimensions : W 19" x H 20.5"
Screen : W 16" x H 12"
Samsung T220 :
Dimensions : W 20.5" x H 17.5"
Screen : W 18.7" x H 11.5"

The big difference is 5" deep instead of 19" and a vast drop in weight
:-)

640x480 ? for the games, Sunny

"Sunny" wrote:


"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
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On Fri, 26 Sep 2008 09:10:44 +1000, "Sunny"
put finger to keyboard and composed:


"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
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On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:13:30 -0700, "Adam" put
finger to keyboard and composed:

Not sure what's the best newsgroup for this topic so here goes ...

I'm thinking about replacing my ViewSonic P815 monitor from CRT to
LCD.

I'm assuming that you will attach your monitor to a Win98 box, and I'm
also assuming that your video card is not the latest and greatest.

If so, then I'd be careful that any monitor I chose had a native
resolution that was supported by my card.

2 Days ago I replaced my wife's 19" monitor and my 21" monitor
(HitachiCM771 and Hitachi CM813)
with :
a. Samsung 22" wide screen LCD - 2243BWX, and
b. Samsung 22" wide screen LCD - T220

The 2243BWX is running WinXP with a NVIDIA MX440 at 1024x768
The T220 is running WinXP and Win98SE with a NVIDIA 8500GT at 1024x768
(also Win98SE, using a 64Mb Voodoo V5 video card (KVM switch)

Both monitors have a 1680x1050 native resolution, ie an aspect ratio
of 16:10. However, your card's aspect ratio is 4:3, ie 16:12.

It seems to me that you are missing out on a lot. For one thing, I
don't believe you can take advantage of XP's ClearType at non-native
resolutions.

Secondly, if your image is filling the screen, then the monitor must
be stretching the horizontal. This means that human figures would look
shorter and fatter.

I had a quick try at 1680 x 1050, didn't bother adjusting the "window" to
fit the screen, when it looked like I needed a magnifying glass to read
anything :-)

The Win98SE Flight Sims I play use 600 x 800 (a couple use 640 x ?) and
are actually Win95/DOS etc.

Have kept away from LCD monitors so far, because they were not fast
enough, however the 2ms Samsung seems OK.

Typing is as clear as the old monitor, and the "stretching is not really
apparent to my (old) eyes :-)