Will June 30 or July 11 be the end date for Windows-Update for Win-98?

Micro$oft lists June 30 as an important date for Windows 98se:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/lifecycle/default.mspx

Alternatively, July 11 2006 was listed as the support-retirement date
for IE6-SP2 for win-98se and generally for critical and hotfix updates
for win-98.

So I'm thinking that the WU site will no longer supply downloads for
win-98se in a few weeks.

See also:

http://support.microsoft.com/gp/Lifewinextndfaq

On a related topic, XP OEM and retail license availability ends
January 31, 2008, while system builder license availability ends a
year later on Jan 31, 2009. For how long after Jan 31, 2009 will
Micro$oft keep their XP license validation mechanism operating?

Its Micro$$$'s way of saying:: "ta for buying our products, now go F***
yourselves cos' we aint going to support the support you gave us."
But, please feel free to BUY our newer products, even though we will
screw you on those too in a short while.

fair statement, wouldnt you say 98guy?

Jipped


"98 Guy" wrote in message ...

Micro$oft lists June 30 as an important date for Windows 98se:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/lifecycle/default.mspx

Alternatively, July 11 2006 was listed as the support-retirement date
for IE6-SP2 for win-98se and generally for critical and hotfix updates
for win-98.

So I'm thinking that the WU site will no longer supply downloads for
win-98se in a few weeks.

See also:

http://support.microsoft.com/gp/Lifewinextndfaq

On a related topic, XP OEM and retail license availability ends
January 31, 2008, while system builder license availability ends a
year later on Jan 31, 2009. For how long after Jan 31, 2009 will
Micro$oft keep their XP license validation mechanism operating?

Where do you see ANYTHING regarding June 30, 2007 on that page?

Where do you see ANYTHING regarding Windows Update, and update availability?
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"98 Guy" wrote in message ...

Micro$oft lists June 30 as an important date for Windows 98se:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/lifecycle/default.mspx

Alternatively, July 11 2006 was listed as the support-retirement date
for IE6-SP2 for win-98se and generally for critical and hotfix updates
for win-98.

So I'm thinking that the WU site will no longer supply downloads for
win-98se in a few weeks.

See also:

http://support.microsoft.com/gp/Lifewinextndfaq

On a related topic, XP OEM and retail license availability ends
January 31, 2008, while system builder license availability ends a
year later on Jan 31, 2009. For how long after Jan 31, 2009 will
Micro$oft keep their XP license validation mechanism operating?

glee wrote:

Where do you see ANYTHING regarding June 30, 2007 on that page?

Note that I said that June 30 was an important date for Windows 98se.
I did not say that June 30, 2007 was specifically mentioned.

Where do you see ANYTHING regarding Windows Update, and update
availability?

That's the whole point of my post.

There is no mention of the time frame for WU support for Win-98.

Unless you believe that WU support for win-98 is perpetual, then I'm
speculating that the WU site will no longer function for win-98 on
either June 30 or July 11 (2007).

July 11 2007 marks the 1 year anniversary for the end of critical and
hotfix updates for win-98se. It was speculated that WU support for
win-98 would continue for another year beyond that. We are now very
close to that date.

Anyone planning to install or re-install Windows-98se in order to have
a "clean" system should do so soon in order to take advantage of the
WU facility in the event that Macro$haft withdraws win-98 support on
that date.

I shouldn't have to explain these concepts in such detail, but since
you are argumentative and like to find fault with my posts you will no
doubt fabricate some other fault or criticism in your next reply
instead of adding your own knowledge or speculation to this thread.

You are not reading the dates correctly. Those dates are for 2006 --- last
year!

WU no longer supplies new updates for Win98SE --- because there are no NEW
updates for that product being issued since last year.

....Sky

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98 Guy wrote:
Micro$oft lists June 30 as an important date for Windows 98se:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/lifecycle/default.mspx

Alternatively, July 11 2006 was listed as the support-retirement date
for IE6-SP2 for win-98se and generally for critical and hotfix updates
for win-98.

So I'm thinking that the WU site will no longer supply downloads for
win-98se in a few weeks.

See also:

http://support.microsoft.com/gp/Lifewinextndfaq

On a related topic, XP OEM and retail license availability ends
January 31, 2008, while system builder license availability ends a
year later on Jan 31, 2009. For how long after Jan 31, 2009 will
Micro$oft keep their XP license validation mechanism operating?

Sky King wrote:
You are not reading the dates correctly. Those dates are for 2006 ---
last
year!

WU no longer supplies new updates for Win98SE --- because there are no
NEW updates for that product being issued since last year.

Which is just fine, as we really don't need any (of the ones they were
supplying). Now if they had added something *meaningful*, like better USB
capability, or fixing the heap resource problem, THAT would have been
different).

Sky King wrote:

You are not reading the dates correctly. Those dates are for 2006
--- last year!

You are not understanding my point.

Anyone planning to install / re-install 98 better do it soon if they
intend to use WU to bring their installation up to date with all
updates and patches.

WU no longer supplies new updates for Win98SE

If you were to install 98 on a system today, are you saying that you
wouldn't then go to WU?

98 Guy" wrote in message ...
glee wrote:

Where do you see ANYTHING regarding June 30, 2007 on that page?

Note that I said that June 30 was an important date for Windows 98se.
I did not say that June 30, 2007 was specifically mentioned.

Where do you see ANYTHING regarding Windows Update, and update
availability?

That's the whole point of my post.

There is no mention of the time frame for WU support for Win-98.

Unless you believe that WU support for win-98 is perpetual, then I'm
speculating that the WU site will no longer function for win-98 on
either June 30 or July 11 (2007).

July 11 2007 marks the 1 year anniversary for the end of critical and
hotfix updates for win-98se. It was speculated that WU support for
win-98 would continue for another year beyond that. We are now very
close to that date.

Anyone planning to install or re-install Windows-98se in order to have
a "clean" system should do so soon in order to take advantage of the
WU facility in the event that Macro$haft withdraws win-98 support on
that date.

I shouldn't have to explain these concepts in such detail, but since
you are argumentative and like to find fault with my posts you will no
doubt fabricate some other fault or criticism in your next reply
instead of adding your own knowledge or speculation to this thread.

You're hallucinating again, 98Guy. I don't look to find fault in your posts, and
have in the past agreed with you a number of times on specific issues, and said so.
We "argued" in only one thread, in which you wanted to discuss the intricacies of
NNTP, thus hijacking the original content and purpose of that thread. I have never
fabricated anyhting in response to your posts, or anyone elses; the only
argumentative voice here is clearly yours.

In this thread you are posting pure speculation based on no clear evidence, and I
suggest to you that referring to Microsoft as Macro$haft is both childish and an
apparent attempt to provoke argument rather than honestly seek information on the
subject.

I have not seen or heard any info from MS or my contacts there regarding any plans
for Win98 access to Windows Update changing in the near future. Since Win98 uses
version 4 of WU, I suspect that at some point that version may be retired, but I
have seen no info regarding that, and certainly nothing in the links you gave even
remotely suggest a date, though you seem to infer one.

June 30 is only one week away, and I very much doubt WU would be pulled without
notice in that time.

I am contacting my lead at Microsoft to see if there is any concrete plan one way or
the other regarding the "time limitations" for Win98 access to WU, though since it
is the weekend, I may not hear anything before Monday. I work
weekends.....apparently the folks at Microsoft do not.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
Sky King wrote:

You are not reading the dates correctly. Those dates are for 2006
--- last year!

You are not understanding my point.

Anyone planning to install / re-install 98 better do it soon if they
intend to use WU to bring their installation up to date with all
updates and patches.


There is absolutely nothing to indicate that this is any more urgent this
week than it was last week or six months ago or on any other date. MS could
pull the plug whenever they want, but there's no reason to imagine that they
will. In any case, the updates are available from other sources. You are
creating a concern where there is no reason for any.

WU no longer supplies new updates for Win98SE

If you were to install 98 on a system today, are you saying that you
wouldn't then go to WU?

Sky King is not saying any such thing, and there's no reason to read that
implication into the post. MS hasn't created any new updates for W98SE for
a long time now, but the old ones are just as useful as they always were.
(which is, after all, why you were worried in the first place).

Jeff Richards wrote:

Anyone planning to install / re-install 98 better do it soon if
they intend to use WU to bring their installation up to date
with all updates and patches.


There is absolutely nothing to indicate that this is any more
urgent this week than it was last week or six months ago or on
any other date.

If (or when) MS pulls win-98 off WU, it will most certainly do it on
June 30 or July 11. The only question is, which year? Will it be
this year? I think the odds are better than 50:50 it will be this
year.

MS could pull the plug whenever they want, but there's no reason
to imagine that they will.

So you believe that MS will keep win-98 on WU perpetually? I think
that's more absurd than speculating it will be pulled on it's support
anniversary date of July 11.

In any case, the updates are available from other sources.

Some may be comfortable with those other sources, some may not. Some
may find the WU mechanism more attractive, stable, easy, fast,
complete, trustworthy, etc. There is no garantee those other sources
will still be available over time.

You are creating a concern where there is no reason for any.

I think there is a very real issue that MS will at some point pull 98
off WU. We already know that some aspect of WU is broken when
accessed by win-98 systems, and there doesn't seem to be any effort by
MS to fix it. MS likes to do things on schedules, especially support,
and the 1-year anniversary for the end of critical updates for
win-98se was July 11, 2006.

MS hasn't created any new updates for W98SE for a long time
now,

That is not the issue. If one wants to obtain all the updates that
WERE ever issued since 98se was released, then WU is practically
always the place where most users get them.