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Morning MEB (it is for me!),
Thanks for your reply... lots of stuff for me to get my head round! The only INF files I removed were the folders listed as Belkin & Broadcom, no others. http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp - was the technique you used similar to this? Just printed this off - useful stuff here, thanks. Yes sort off in my fumbling way trying to muddle through. There are some extra steps I can try but what is really useful is I can follow through in a logical sequence. However, looking at the points between steps 15 & 16 ( I was having another go last night whilst waiting for this post), I noticed the card was not identified. However, I will go through Netgears' sequence now I've got it & see what happens. Just been looking through the other links you suggested... perhaps I should be grateful I've got a Belkin & not a Linksys! General theme seems to be change the card. Hmmm. Not convinced - yet. Yes, on your other point I did go into Safe Mode to remove the 'device' because you're right, previous experience on this ghosting anomaly can be quite revealing, all taking up valuable resources. Finally, like I said when playing last night, I did remove all network protocols, clients et al. I must admit I can't remember if I closed down before re-installing them or not. Can a card's drivers be loaded before the Network elements are put in or does the network clients/protocols have to be in place first? Right! I better speak to the other guys now. Thanks for your help MEB. Cheers, Sandy. "MEB" wrote: Let me put both together: "Sandy" wrote in message news | Hi MEB, | | Thanks for your response. I'll try to answer all your questions. | The Belkin drivers I tried were versions 1, 2.4, 3.2, 6 & 7. | I tried installing them by their installers and directly from their INF | files (the latter wouldn't work at all!). | I cleaned up as best I could after each time by using the uninstaller, | device manager to remove the device deleting the inf folders under Did you make sure you didn't remove any you needed? I've done that before. | Windows/inf/other and physically removing the card. I must admit to | forgetting to try MS cleanup utility. | It is Windows 98se and is as updated as it got prior to support being removed. Good, then at least that's not part of the issue. | "Sandy" wrote in message ... | To continue... | | It's a PCChips M571 socket 7 mobo (yes I know it's ancient but it's served | me well for many years!), other PCI cards apart form the Belkin which | currently is in slot 1, is a NVidia GeForce MX400 in slot 2 and a Rockwell | 56k modem (for FAX) in slot 3. There is just one ISA slot for a Soundblaster | card. | | Hope this helps. Many thanks for your time. It does, gives a chance to check the specs out. Several versions of the board [as well as several *manufacturers*] On board video and sound, no on board network. No need to explain about the age, I also have several dinosaurs here, in fact I'm using a 440BX .board for this. The information I find suggest there were more slots, hmm. Franc Zabkar did some extensive technical work concerning the board. Off subject anyway. As to the problem, it happens to be quite common with several net adapters and SE: http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp - was the technique you used similar to this? http://www.freelists.org/archives/pc.../msg00504.html http://forum.pcmech.com/archive/index.php/t-34610.html http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search Some have found that by merely connecting the net card to a network [or modem/router], caused the install to mysteriously work..Others found that changing the card [same] would then allow installation [like a bad card, and yes there a new defectives]. I would ask if you went into SAFE MODE and made sure that there were no ghost entries from previous attempts? Sometimes its found that going into Control Panel NETWORK and removing all entries [and of course re-setting it up after a shut down] would then allow the installation. Wait and see what Gary comes up with though before you delete the Network and start over. | | "MEB" wrote: | | Sorry, minds a little distant today... these might help if answered. | What computer are we discussing, make and model. | Are there other adapters in the configuration [card or on-board]? | | -- | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | -- | _________ | | "MEB" meb@not wrote in message | ... | | What versions did you try, and how was the installation performed [via | | installer or INF]? | | Did you clean-up after the failed installs, if not you may have an INF | | error per the different software versions. | | | | Tried to find info on Belkin but couldn't get to the site. I did find | many | | pages which claimed no issues with 98SE. Is that the OS version you are | | using and is it fully updated?. | | | | -- | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | | -- | | _________ | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | | ... | | | I'm having trouble installing the drivers for a Belkin 54g wireless | | network | | | card in 98se. I've been onto Belkin who have given me several versions | of | | | their drivers but it comes down to the same thing... "Error 1F6 Windows | | can't | | | install the driver for your device" (or similar words). Belkin say at | | this | | | point that it's a bug with Win 98 and not really their problem. Any | | ideas? | | | Thanks. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ |
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Morning Gary,
Yes, I sort of did that as I've just mentioned to MEB above, but perhaps in not such a logical sequence as I've should have done. I've posed a question to MEB and depending on his answer I'll have another go. Thanks for your help. Sandy. "Gary S. Terhune" wrote: (I've read your other stuff.) Well, I gotta admit that my favorite fix for all things network is to wipe the devices (NICs, Modem, everything in Network applet), also from the Device Manager, and start over. But you might want to stick with MEB for a while before getting so drastic. Of course, the other option is to try a different NIC. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User www.grystmill.com "Sandy" wrote in message ... Hi Gary, Thanks for helping me out on this one. It's a F5D7000ec. Now I did raise this issue of being an "ec" with Belkin because they always quote "uk" and I wondered if this was significant being in the UK as I am, but apparently not. As mentioned above to MEB, apart from the Belkin card, I do have a Rockwell telephone modem which I use for faxing and an NVidia graphics card, which completes my 3x PCI line-up. Hope it helps. All the best, Sandy "Gary S. Terhune" wrote: What is the exact model of your card? All Belkin wireless model numbers start with F5D, followed by four more digits. Do you/did you have any other network adapter cards installed? Do you currently have a telephone modem installed? Are you going to keep it? -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User www.grystmill.com "Sandy" wrote in message ... I'm having trouble installing the drivers for a Belkin 54g wireless network card in 98se. I've been onto Belkin who have given me several versions of their drivers but it comes down to the same thing... "Error 1F6 Windows can't install the driver for your device" (or similar words). Belkin say at this point that it's a bug with Win 98 and not really their problem. Any ideas? Thanks. |
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Morning Gary,
Yes, I sort of did that as I've just mentioned to MEB above, but perhaps in not such a logical sequence as I've should have done. I've posed a question to MEB and depending on his answer I'll have another go. Thanks for your help. Sandy. "Gary S. Terhune" wrote: (I've read your other stuff.) Well, I gotta admit that my favorite fix for all things network is to wipe the devices (NICs, Modem, everything in Network applet), also from the Device Manager, and start over. But you might want to stick with MEB for a while before getting so drastic. Of course, the other option is to try a different NIC. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User www.grystmill.com "Sandy" wrote in message ... Hi Gary, Thanks for helping me out on this one. It's a F5D7000ec. Now I did raise this issue of being an "ec" with Belkin because they always quote "uk" and I wondered if this was significant being in the UK as I am, but apparently not. As mentioned above to MEB, apart from the Belkin card, I do have a Rockwell telephone modem which I use for faxing and an NVidia graphics card, which completes my 3x PCI line-up. Hope it helps. All the best, Sandy "Gary S. Terhune" wrote: What is the exact model of your card? All Belkin wireless model numbers start with F5D, followed by four more digits. Do you/did you have any other network adapter cards installed? Do you currently have a telephone modem installed? Are you going to keep it? -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User www.grystmill.com "Sandy" wrote in message ... I'm having trouble installing the drivers for a Belkin 54g wireless network card in 98se. I've been onto Belkin who have given me several versions of their drivers but it comes down to the same thing... "Error 1F6 Windows can't install the driver for your device" (or similar words). Belkin say at this point that it's a bug with Win 98 and not really their problem. Any ideas? Thanks. |
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Hello Franc!
Nice to put a face to the name! I've come across stuff from you many times over the net as my bookmarks show! Yes I've looked at the webpage you alerted me to, seen it before. Actually it seems very much aligned to the issue with Netgear that MEB alerted me to, so yes I'll go through that and see what happens. Thanks. Sandy. "Franc Zabkar" wrote: On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 01:00:00 -0700, Sandy put finger to keyboard and composed: I'm having trouble installing the drivers for a Belkin 54g wireless network card in 98se. I've been onto Belkin who have given me several versions of their drivers but it comes down to the same thing... "Error 1F6 Windows can't install the driver for your device" (or similar words). Belkin say at this point that it's a bug with Win 98 and not really their problem. Any ideas? Thanks. FWIW, I found this: http://www.progsoc.uts.edu.au/lists/.../msg00558.html - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. |
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Hello Franc!
Nice to put a face to the name! I've come across stuff from you many times over the net as my bookmarks show! Yes I've looked at the webpage you alerted me to, seen it before. Actually it seems very much aligned to the issue with Netgear that MEB alerted me to, so yes I'll go through that and see what happens. Thanks. Sandy. "Franc Zabkar" wrote: On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 01:00:00 -0700, Sandy put finger to keyboard and composed: I'm having trouble installing the drivers for a Belkin 54g wireless network card in 98se. I've been onto Belkin who have given me several versions of their drivers but it comes down to the same thing... "Error 1F6 Windows can't install the driver for your device" (or similar words). Belkin say at this point that it's a bug with Win 98 and not really their problem. Any ideas? Thanks. FWIW, I found this: http://www.progsoc.uts.edu.au/lists/.../msg00558.html - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. |
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"Sandy" wrote in message ... | Morning MEB (it is for me!), | | Thanks for your reply... lots of stuff for me to get my head round! | | The only INF files I removed were the folders listed as Belkin & Broadcom, | no others. Okay, that was important, we now can focus on other potentials. | | http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp - was the technique you | used similar to this? | | Just printed this off - useful stuff here, thanks. Yes sort off in my | fumbling way trying to muddle through. There are some extra steps I can try | but what is really useful is I can follow through in a logical sequence. | However, looking at the points between steps 15 & 16 ( I was having another | go last night whilst waiting for this post), I noticed the card was not | identified. However, I will go through Netgears' sequence now I've got it & | see what happens. Okay, if you look through some of those other links you'll note that has also occurred to others ... regretfully you are also "being put through the wringer" with your card. | | Just been looking through the other links you suggested... perhaps I should | be grateful I've got a Belkin & not a Linksys! General theme seems to be | change the card. Hmmm. Not convinced - yet. Well you have to remember that 98 was designed more for phone access, and within a network [business/commercial] which was handled by IT or other "experts". And these newer adapters are not designed for 98 or the older NTs. Not that the drivers would be difficult to provide, but that the manufacturer's programmers rely more upon Microsoft, and of course, the necessary MS certification. Moreover, the programmers can no longer call Microsoft to discuss issues that might occur in Microsoft's un-supported OSs, so that leaves them as needing to actually know how to program. Look at any of the newer devices and you find these same difficulties. | | Yes, on your other point I did go into Safe Mode to remove the 'device' | because you're right, previous experience on this ghosting anomaly can be | quite revealing, all taking up valuable resources. Yes, that's always been important. Many later errors and issues can be back-traced to these ghosts. | | Finally, like I said when playing last night, I did remove all network | protocols, clients et al. I must admit I can't remember if I closed down | before re-installing them or not. Can a card's drivers be loaded before the | Network elements are put in or does the network clients/protocols have to be | in place first? Okay, make sure you shutdown before resetting the network. There is potentially a DUN issue [yeah we scratch our heads on this one, dial-up, huh, why would that effect a network adapter, but it IS part of the network]. The card drivers can be added as soon as possible, you should have had the Startup/New hardware found, ask for the drivers upon startup, which then are supposed to install the necessary TCP/IP and other files. One thing I have found, is having the CABS for 98 in {drive}:\Windows\Options\CABS, seems to ease installation of most devices. Just copy the Win98 folder and contents from the CD to that folder. One registry entry needs changed though, so installations look there rather than asking for the CDROM: --------- REGEDIT4 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup] "SourcePath"="C:\\WINDOWS\\OPTIONS\\CABS\\" ----------- This can be placed into a TEXT editor [including the blank line], saved as option-source.reg, and merged. Modify that to your actual windows directory/folder if necessary. It works much better if it was done before the update process as any updated files are/were copied/placed there as well, meaning you won't be installing OLD outdated files from the CDROM. On installers generally: Looking at a number of NEW installers, I note that they constantly check for "administrator rights" [something necessary for NT] and NT files, and fail to include the old variables for "if its not present then do" [that's not the actual inclusions just what was done] which the OLD cross platform installers included. The cross platforms now being addressed are XP and the necessary VISTA "special" envelope/requirements. Let us know how it goes... | | Right! I better speak to the other guys now. Thanks for your help MEB. | | Cheers, | | Sandy. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ | | "MEB" wrote: | | | Let me put both together: | | "Sandy" wrote in message | news | | Hi MEB, | | | | Thanks for your response. I'll try to answer all your questions. | | The Belkin drivers I tried were versions 1, 2.4, 3.2, 6 & 7. | | I tried installing them by their installers and directly from their INF | | files (the latter wouldn't work at all!). | | I cleaned up as best I could after each time by using the uninstaller, | | device manager to remove the device deleting the inf folders under | | Did you make sure you didn't remove any you needed? I've done that before. | | | Windows/inf/other and physically removing the card. I must admit to | | forgetting to try MS cleanup utility. | | It is Windows 98se and is as updated as it got prior to support being | removed. | | Good, then at least that's not part of the issue. | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | ... | | To continue... | | | | It's a PCChips M571 socket 7 mobo (yes I know it's ancient but it's served | | me well for many years!), other PCI cards apart form the Belkin which | | currently is in slot 1, is a NVidia GeForce MX400 in slot 2 and a Rockwell | | 56k modem (for FAX) in slot 3. There is just one ISA slot for a | Soundblaster | | card. | | | | Hope this helps. Many thanks for your time. | | It does, gives a chance to check the specs out. Several versions of the | board [as well as several *manufacturers*] | On board video and sound, no on board network. | No need to explain about the age, I also have several dinosaurs here, in | fact I'm using a 440BX .board for this. | The information I find suggest there were more slots, hmm. Franc Zabkar did | some extensive technical work concerning the board. Off subject anyway. | | As to the problem, it happens to be quite common with several net adapters | and SE: | http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp - was the technique you | used similar to this? | http://www.freelists.org/archives/pc.../msg00504.html | http://forum.pcmech.com/archive/index.php/t-34610.html | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search | | Some have found that by merely connecting the net card to a network [or | modem/router], caused the install to mysteriously work..Others found that | changing the card [same] would then allow installation [like a bad card, and | yes there a new defectives]. | | I would ask if you went into SAFE MODE and made sure that there were no | ghost entries from previous attempts? | | Sometimes its found that going into Control Panel NETWORK and removing | all entries [and of course re-setting it up after a shut down] would then | allow the installation. | | Wait and see what Gary comes up with though before you delete the Network | and start over. | | | | | | "MEB" wrote: | | | | Sorry, minds a little distant today... these might help if answered. | | What computer are we discussing, make and model. | | Are there other adapters in the configuration [card or on-board]? | | | | -- | | MEB | | -- | | _________ | | | | "MEB" meb@not wrote in message | | ... | | | What versions did you try, and how was the installation performed [via | | | installer or INF]? | | | Did you clean-up after the failed installs, if not you may have an | INF | | | error per the different software versions. | | | | | | Tried to find info on Belkin but couldn't get to the site. I did find | | many | | | pages which claimed no issues with 98SE. Is that the OS version you | are | | | using and is it fully updated?. | | | | | | -- | | | MEB | | | -- | | | _________ | | | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | | | ... | | | | I'm having trouble installing the drivers for a Belkin 54g wireless | | | network | | | | card in 98se. I've been onto Belkin who have given me several | versions | | of | | | | their drivers but it comes down to the same thing... "Error 1F6 | Windows | | | can't | | | | install the driver for your device" (or similar words). Belkin say | at | | | this | | | | point that it's a bug with Win 98 and not really their problem. Any | | | ideas? | | | | Thanks. | -- | MEB |
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"Sandy" wrote in message ... | Morning MEB (it is for me!), | | Thanks for your reply... lots of stuff for me to get my head round! | | The only INF files I removed were the folders listed as Belkin & Broadcom, | no others. Okay, that was important, we now can focus on other potentials. | | http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp - was the technique you | used similar to this? | | Just printed this off - useful stuff here, thanks. Yes sort off in my | fumbling way trying to muddle through. There are some extra steps I can try | but what is really useful is I can follow through in a logical sequence. | However, looking at the points between steps 15 & 16 ( I was having another | go last night whilst waiting for this post), I noticed the card was not | identified. However, I will go through Netgears' sequence now I've got it & | see what happens. Okay, if you look through some of those other links you'll note that has also occurred to others ... regretfully you are also "being put through the wringer" with your card. | | Just been looking through the other links you suggested... perhaps I should | be grateful I've got a Belkin & not a Linksys! General theme seems to be | change the card. Hmmm. Not convinced - yet. Well you have to remember that 98 was designed more for phone access, and within a network [business/commercial] which was handled by IT or other "experts". And these newer adapters are not designed for 98 or the older NTs. Not that the drivers would be difficult to provide, but that the manufacturer's programmers rely more upon Microsoft, and of course, the necessary MS certification. Moreover, the programmers can no longer call Microsoft to discuss issues that might occur in Microsoft's un-supported OSs, so that leaves them as needing to actually know how to program. Look at any of the newer devices and you find these same difficulties. | | Yes, on your other point I did go into Safe Mode to remove the 'device' | because you're right, previous experience on this ghosting anomaly can be | quite revealing, all taking up valuable resources. Yes, that's always been important. Many later errors and issues can be back-traced to these ghosts. | | Finally, like I said when playing last night, I did remove all network | protocols, clients et al. I must admit I can't remember if I closed down | before re-installing them or not. Can a card's drivers be loaded before the | Network elements are put in or does the network clients/protocols have to be | in place first? Okay, make sure you shutdown before resetting the network. There is potentially a DUN issue [yeah we scratch our heads on this one, dial-up, huh, why would that effect a network adapter, but it IS part of the network]. The card drivers can be added as soon as possible, you should have had the Startup/New hardware found, ask for the drivers upon startup, which then are supposed to install the necessary TCP/IP and other files. One thing I have found, is having the CABS for 98 in {drive}:\Windows\Options\CABS, seems to ease installation of most devices. Just copy the Win98 folder and contents from the CD to that folder. One registry entry needs changed though, so installations look there rather than asking for the CDROM: --------- REGEDIT4 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup] "SourcePath"="C:\\WINDOWS\\OPTIONS\\CABS\\" ----------- This can be placed into a TEXT editor [including the blank line], saved as option-source.reg, and merged. Modify that to your actual windows directory/folder if necessary. It works much better if it was done before the update process as any updated files are/were copied/placed there as well, meaning you won't be installing OLD outdated files from the CDROM. On installers generally: Looking at a number of NEW installers, I note that they constantly check for "administrator rights" [something necessary for NT] and NT files, and fail to include the old variables for "if its not present then do" [that's not the actual inclusions just what was done] which the OLD cross platform installers included. The cross platforms now being addressed are XP and the necessary VISTA "special" envelope/requirements. Let us know how it goes... | | Right! I better speak to the other guys now. Thanks for your help MEB. | | Cheers, | | Sandy. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ | | "MEB" wrote: | | | Let me put both together: | | "Sandy" wrote in message | news | | Hi MEB, | | | | Thanks for your response. I'll try to answer all your questions. | | The Belkin drivers I tried were versions 1, 2.4, 3.2, 6 & 7. | | I tried installing them by their installers and directly from their INF | | files (the latter wouldn't work at all!). | | I cleaned up as best I could after each time by using the uninstaller, | | device manager to remove the device deleting the inf folders under | | Did you make sure you didn't remove any you needed? I've done that before. | | | Windows/inf/other and physically removing the card. I must admit to | | forgetting to try MS cleanup utility. | | It is Windows 98se and is as updated as it got prior to support being | removed. | | Good, then at least that's not part of the issue. | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | ... | | To continue... | | | | It's a PCChips M571 socket 7 mobo (yes I know it's ancient but it's served | | me well for many years!), other PCI cards apart form the Belkin which | | currently is in slot 1, is a NVidia GeForce MX400 in slot 2 and a Rockwell | | 56k modem (for FAX) in slot 3. There is just one ISA slot for a | Soundblaster | | card. | | | | Hope this helps. Many thanks for your time. | | It does, gives a chance to check the specs out. Several versions of the | board [as well as several *manufacturers*] | On board video and sound, no on board network. | No need to explain about the age, I also have several dinosaurs here, in | fact I'm using a 440BX .board for this. | The information I find suggest there were more slots, hmm. Franc Zabkar did | some extensive technical work concerning the board. Off subject anyway. | | As to the problem, it happens to be quite common with several net adapters | and SE: | http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp - was the technique you | used similar to this? | http://www.freelists.org/archives/pc.../msg00504.html | http://forum.pcmech.com/archive/index.php/t-34610.html | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search | | Some have found that by merely connecting the net card to a network [or | modem/router], caused the install to mysteriously work..Others found that | changing the card [same] would then allow installation [like a bad card, and | yes there a new defectives]. | | I would ask if you went into SAFE MODE and made sure that there were no | ghost entries from previous attempts? | | Sometimes its found that going into Control Panel NETWORK and removing | all entries [and of course re-setting it up after a shut down] would then | allow the installation. | | Wait and see what Gary comes up with though before you delete the Network | and start over. | | | | | | "MEB" wrote: | | | | Sorry, minds a little distant today... these might help if answered. | | What computer are we discussing, make and model. | | Are there other adapters in the configuration [card or on-board]? | | | | -- | | MEB | | -- | | _________ | | | | "MEB" meb@not wrote in message | | ... | | | What versions did you try, and how was the installation performed [via | | | installer or INF]? | | | Did you clean-up after the failed installs, if not you may have an | INF | | | error per the different software versions. | | | | | | Tried to find info on Belkin but couldn't get to the site. I did find | | many | | | pages which claimed no issues with 98SE. Is that the OS version you | are | | | using and is it fully updated?. | | | | | | -- | | | MEB | | | -- | | | _________ | | | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | | | ... | | | | I'm having trouble installing the drivers for a Belkin 54g wireless | | | network | | | | card in 98se. I've been onto Belkin who have given me several | versions | | of | | | | their drivers but it comes down to the same thing... "Error 1F6 | Windows | | | can't | | | | install the driver for your device" (or similar words). Belkin say | at | | | this | | | | point that it's a bug with Win 98 and not really their problem. Any | | | ideas? | | | | Thanks. | -- | MEB |
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Gosh... more stuff to think about! Thanks for that MEB. I'll have a go of
your suggestions over the week-end and see what happens. I'll come back to you next week. See you then. Sandy. "MEB" wrote: "Sandy" wrote in message ... | Morning MEB (it is for me!), | | Thanks for your reply... lots of stuff for me to get my head round! | | The only INF files I removed were the folders listed as Belkin & Broadcom, | no others. Okay, that was important, we now can focus on other potentials. | | http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp - was the technique you | used similar to this? | | Just printed this off - useful stuff here, thanks. Yes sort off in my | fumbling way trying to muddle through. There are some extra steps I can try | but what is really useful is I can follow through in a logical sequence. | However, looking at the points between steps 15 & 16 ( I was having another | go last night whilst waiting for this post), I noticed the card was not | identified. However, I will go through Netgears' sequence now I've got it & | see what happens. Okay, if you look through some of those other links you'll note that has also occurred to others ... regretfully you are also "being put through the wringer" with your card. | | Just been looking through the other links you suggested... perhaps I should | be grateful I've got a Belkin & not a Linksys! General theme seems to be | change the card. Hmmm. Not convinced - yet. Well you have to remember that 98 was designed more for phone access, and within a network [business/commercial] which was handled by IT or other "experts". And these newer adapters are not designed for 98 or the older NTs. Not that the drivers would be difficult to provide, but that the manufacturer's programmers rely more upon Microsoft, and of course, the necessary MS certification. Moreover, the programmers can no longer call Microsoft to discuss issues that might occur in Microsoft's un-supported OSs, so that leaves them as needing to actually know how to program. Look at any of the newer devices and you find these same difficulties. | | Yes, on your other point I did go into Safe Mode to remove the 'device' | because you're right, previous experience on this ghosting anomaly can be | quite revealing, all taking up valuable resources. Yes, that's always been important. Many later errors and issues can be back-traced to these ghosts. | | Finally, like I said when playing last night, I did remove all network | protocols, clients et al. I must admit I can't remember if I closed down | before re-installing them or not. Can a card's drivers be loaded before the | Network elements are put in or does the network clients/protocols have to be | in place first? Okay, make sure you shutdown before resetting the network. There is potentially a DUN issue [yeah we scratch our heads on this one, dial-up, huh, why would that effect a network adapter, but it IS part of the network]. The card drivers can be added as soon as possible, you should have had the Startup/New hardware found, ask for the drivers upon startup, which then are supposed to install the necessary TCP/IP and other files. One thing I have found, is having the CABS for 98 in {drive}:\Windows\Options\CABS, seems to ease installation of most devices. Just copy the Win98 folder and contents from the CD to that folder. One registry entry needs changed though, so installations look there rather than asking for the CDROM: --------- REGEDIT4 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup] "SourcePath"="C:\\WINDOWS\\OPTIONS\\CABS\\" ----------- This can be placed into a TEXT editor [including the blank line], saved as option-source.reg, and merged. Modify that to your actual windows directory/folder if necessary. It works much better if it was done before the update process as any updated files are/were copied/placed there as well, meaning you won't be installing OLD outdated files from the CDROM. On installers generally: Looking at a number of NEW installers, I note that they constantly check for "administrator rights" [something necessary for NT] and NT files, and fail to include the old variables for "if its not present then do" [that's not the actual inclusions just what was done] which the OLD cross platform installers included. The cross platforms now being addressed are XP and the necessary VISTA "special" envelope/requirements. Let us know how it goes... | | Right! I better speak to the other guys now. Thanks for your help MEB. | | Cheers, | | Sandy. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ | | "MEB" wrote: | | | Let me put both together: | | "Sandy" wrote in message | news | | Hi MEB, | | | | Thanks for your response. I'll try to answer all your questions. | | The Belkin drivers I tried were versions 1, 2.4, 3.2, 6 & 7. | | I tried installing them by their installers and directly from their INF | | files (the latter wouldn't work at all!). | | I cleaned up as best I could after each time by using the uninstaller, | | device manager to remove the device deleting the inf folders under | | Did you make sure you didn't remove any you needed? I've done that before. | | | Windows/inf/other and physically removing the card. I must admit to | | forgetting to try MS cleanup utility. | | It is Windows 98se and is as updated as it got prior to support being | removed. | | Good, then at least that's not part of the issue. | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | ... | | To continue... | | | | It's a PCChips M571 socket 7 mobo (yes I know it's ancient but it's served | | me well for many years!), other PCI cards apart form the Belkin which | | currently is in slot 1, is a NVidia GeForce MX400 in slot 2 and a Rockwell | | 56k modem (for FAX) in slot 3. There is just one ISA slot for a | Soundblaster | | card. | | | | Hope this helps. Many thanks for your time. | | It does, gives a chance to check the specs out. Several versions of the | board [as well as several *manufacturers*] | On board video and sound, no on board network. | No need to explain about the age, I also have several dinosaurs here, in | fact I'm using a 440BX .board for this. | The information I find suggest there were more slots, hmm. Franc Zabkar did | some extensive technical work concerning the board. Off subject anyway. | | As to the problem, it happens to be quite common with several net adapters | and SE: | http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp - was the technique you | used similar to this? | http://www.freelists.org/archives/pc.../msg00504.html | http://forum.pcmech.com/archive/index.php/t-34610.html | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search | | Some have found that by merely connecting the net card to a network [or | modem/router], caused the install to mysteriously work..Others found that | changing the card [same] would then allow installation [like a bad card, and | yes there a new defectives]. | | I would ask if you went into SAFE MODE and made sure that there were no | ghost entries from previous attempts? | | Sometimes its found that going into Control Panel NETWORK and removing | all entries [and of course re-setting it up after a shut down] would then | allow the installation. | | Wait and see what Gary comes up with though before you delete the Network | and start over. | | | | | | "MEB" wrote: | | | | Sorry, minds a little distant today... these might help if answered. | | What computer are we discussing, make and model. | | Are there other adapters in the configuration [card or on-board]? | | | | -- | | MEB | | -- | | _________ | | | | "MEB" meb@not wrote in message | | ... | | | What versions did you try, and how was the installation performed [via | | | installer or INF]? | | | Did you clean-up after the failed installs, if not you may have an | INF | | | error per the different software versions. | | | | | | Tried to find info on Belkin but couldn't get to the site. I did find | | many | | | pages which claimed no issues with 98SE. Is that the OS version you | are | | | using and is it fully updated?. | | | | | | -- | | | MEB | | | -- | | | _________ | | | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | | | ... | | | | I'm having trouble installing the drivers for a Belkin 54g wireless | | | network | | | | card in 98se. I've been onto Belkin who have given me several | versions | | of | | | | their drivers but it comes down to the same thing... "Error 1F6 | Windows | | | can't | | | | install the driver for your device" (or similar words). Belkin say | at | | | this | | | | point that it's a bug with Win 98 and not really their problem. Any | | | ideas? | | | | Thanks. | -- | MEB |
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Gosh... more stuff to think about! Thanks for that MEB. I'll have a go of
your suggestions over the week-end and see what happens. I'll come back to you next week. See you then. Sandy. "MEB" wrote: "Sandy" wrote in message ... | Morning MEB (it is for me!), | | Thanks for your reply... lots of stuff for me to get my head round! | | The only INF files I removed were the folders listed as Belkin & Broadcom, | no others. Okay, that was important, we now can focus on other potentials. | | http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp - was the technique you | used similar to this? | | Just printed this off - useful stuff here, thanks. Yes sort off in my | fumbling way trying to muddle through. There are some extra steps I can try | but what is really useful is I can follow through in a logical sequence. | However, looking at the points between steps 15 & 16 ( I was having another | go last night whilst waiting for this post), I noticed the card was not | identified. However, I will go through Netgears' sequence now I've got it & | see what happens. Okay, if you look through some of those other links you'll note that has also occurred to others ... regretfully you are also "being put through the wringer" with your card. | | Just been looking through the other links you suggested... perhaps I should | be grateful I've got a Belkin & not a Linksys! General theme seems to be | change the card. Hmmm. Not convinced - yet. Well you have to remember that 98 was designed more for phone access, and within a network [business/commercial] which was handled by IT or other "experts". And these newer adapters are not designed for 98 or the older NTs. Not that the drivers would be difficult to provide, but that the manufacturer's programmers rely more upon Microsoft, and of course, the necessary MS certification. Moreover, the programmers can no longer call Microsoft to discuss issues that might occur in Microsoft's un-supported OSs, so that leaves them as needing to actually know how to program. Look at any of the newer devices and you find these same difficulties. | | Yes, on your other point I did go into Safe Mode to remove the 'device' | because you're right, previous experience on this ghosting anomaly can be | quite revealing, all taking up valuable resources. Yes, that's always been important. Many later errors and issues can be back-traced to these ghosts. | | Finally, like I said when playing last night, I did remove all network | protocols, clients et al. I must admit I can't remember if I closed down | before re-installing them or not. Can a card's drivers be loaded before the | Network elements are put in or does the network clients/protocols have to be | in place first? Okay, make sure you shutdown before resetting the network. There is potentially a DUN issue [yeah we scratch our heads on this one, dial-up, huh, why would that effect a network adapter, but it IS part of the network]. The card drivers can be added as soon as possible, you should have had the Startup/New hardware found, ask for the drivers upon startup, which then are supposed to install the necessary TCP/IP and other files. One thing I have found, is having the CABS for 98 in {drive}:\Windows\Options\CABS, seems to ease installation of most devices. Just copy the Win98 folder and contents from the CD to that folder. One registry entry needs changed though, so installations look there rather than asking for the CDROM: --------- REGEDIT4 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup] "SourcePath"="C:\\WINDOWS\\OPTIONS\\CABS\\" ----------- This can be placed into a TEXT editor [including the blank line], saved as option-source.reg, and merged. Modify that to your actual windows directory/folder if necessary. It works much better if it was done before the update process as any updated files are/were copied/placed there as well, meaning you won't be installing OLD outdated files from the CDROM. On installers generally: Looking at a number of NEW installers, I note that they constantly check for "administrator rights" [something necessary for NT] and NT files, and fail to include the old variables for "if its not present then do" [that's not the actual inclusions just what was done] which the OLD cross platform installers included. The cross platforms now being addressed are XP and the necessary VISTA "special" envelope/requirements. Let us know how it goes... | | Right! I better speak to the other guys now. Thanks for your help MEB. | | Cheers, | | Sandy. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ | | "MEB" wrote: | | | Let me put both together: | | "Sandy" wrote in message | news | | Hi MEB, | | | | Thanks for your response. I'll try to answer all your questions. | | The Belkin drivers I tried were versions 1, 2.4, 3.2, 6 & 7. | | I tried installing them by their installers and directly from their INF | | files (the latter wouldn't work at all!). | | I cleaned up as best I could after each time by using the uninstaller, | | device manager to remove the device deleting the inf folders under | | Did you make sure you didn't remove any you needed? I've done that before. | | | Windows/inf/other and physically removing the card. I must admit to | | forgetting to try MS cleanup utility. | | It is Windows 98se and is as updated as it got prior to support being | removed. | | Good, then at least that's not part of the issue. | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | ... | | To continue... | | | | It's a PCChips M571 socket 7 mobo (yes I know it's ancient but it's served | | me well for many years!), other PCI cards apart form the Belkin which | | currently is in slot 1, is a NVidia GeForce MX400 in slot 2 and a Rockwell | | 56k modem (for FAX) in slot 3. There is just one ISA slot for a | Soundblaster | | card. | | | | Hope this helps. Many thanks for your time. | | It does, gives a chance to check the specs out. Several versions of the | board [as well as several *manufacturers*] | On board video and sound, no on board network. | No need to explain about the age, I also have several dinosaurs here, in | fact I'm using a 440BX .board for this. | The information I find suggest there were more slots, hmm. Franc Zabkar did | some extensive technical work concerning the board. Off subject anyway. | | As to the problem, it happens to be quite common with several net adapters | and SE: | http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp - was the technique you | used similar to this? | http://www.freelists.org/archives/pc.../msg00504.html | http://forum.pcmech.com/archive/index.php/t-34610.html | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search | | Some have found that by merely connecting the net card to a network [or | modem/router], caused the install to mysteriously work..Others found that | changing the card [same] would then allow installation [like a bad card, and | yes there a new defectives]. | | I would ask if you went into SAFE MODE and made sure that there were no | ghost entries from previous attempts? | | Sometimes its found that going into Control Panel NETWORK and removing | all entries [and of course re-setting it up after a shut down] would then | allow the installation. | | Wait and see what Gary comes up with though before you delete the Network | and start over. | | | | | | "MEB" wrote: | | | | Sorry, minds a little distant today... these might help if answered. | | What computer are we discussing, make and model. | | Are there other adapters in the configuration [card or on-board]? | | | | -- | | MEB | | -- | | _________ | | | | "MEB" meb@not wrote in message | | ... | | | What versions did you try, and how was the installation performed [via | | | installer or INF]? | | | Did you clean-up after the failed installs, if not you may have an | INF | | | error per the different software versions. | | | | | | Tried to find info on Belkin but couldn't get to the site. I did find | | many | | | pages which claimed no issues with 98SE. Is that the OS version you | are | | | using and is it fully updated?. | | | | | | -- | | | MEB | | | -- | | | _________ | | | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | | | ... | | | | I'm having trouble installing the drivers for a Belkin 54g wireless | | | network | | | | card in 98se. I've been onto Belkin who have given me several | versions | | of | | | | their drivers but it comes down to the same thing... "Error 1F6 | Windows | | | can't | | | | install the driver for your device" (or similar words). Belkin say | at | | | this | | | | point that it's a bug with Win 98 and not really their problem. Any | | | ideas? | | | | Thanks. | -- | MEB |
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Okay, please keep us informed.
-- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ "Sandy" wrote in message ... | Gosh... more stuff to think about! Thanks for that MEB. I'll have a go of | your suggestions over the week-end and see what happens. I'll come back to | you next week. See you then. | | Sandy. | | "MEB" wrote: | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | ... | | Morning MEB (it is for me!), | | | | Thanks for your reply... lots of stuff for me to get my head round! | | | | The only INF files I removed were the folders listed as Belkin & Broadcom, | | no others. | | Okay, that was important, we now can focus on other potentials. | | | | | http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp - was the technique | you | | used similar to this? | | | | Just printed this off - useful stuff here, thanks. Yes sort off in my | | fumbling way trying to muddle through. There are some extra steps I can | try | | but what is really useful is I can follow through in a logical sequence. | | However, looking at the points between steps 15 & 16 ( I was having | another | | go last night whilst waiting for this post), I noticed the card was not | | identified. However, I will go through Netgears' sequence now I've got it | & | | see what happens. | | Okay, if you look through some of those other links you'll note that has | also occurred to others ... regretfully you are also "being put through the | wringer" with your card. | | | | | Just been looking through the other links you suggested... perhaps I | should | | be grateful I've got a Belkin & not a Linksys! General theme seems to be | | change the card. Hmmm. Not convinced - yet. | | Well you have to remember that 98 was designed more for phone access, and | within a network [business/commercial] which was handled by IT or other | "experts". And these newer adapters are not designed for 98 or the older | NTs. Not that the drivers would be difficult to provide, but that the | manufacturer's programmers rely more upon Microsoft, and of course, the | necessary MS certification. Moreover, the programmers can no longer call | Microsoft to discuss issues that might occur in Microsoft's un-supported | OSs, so that leaves them as needing to actually know how to program. Look at | any of the newer devices and you find these same difficulties. | | | | | Yes, on your other point I did go into Safe Mode to remove the 'device' | | because you're right, previous experience on this ghosting anomaly can be | | quite revealing, all taking up valuable resources. | | Yes, that's always been important. Many later errors and issues can be | back-traced to these ghosts. | | | | | Finally, like I said when playing last night, I did remove all network | | protocols, clients et al. I must admit I can't remember if I closed down | | before re-installing them or not. Can a card's drivers be loaded before | the | | Network elements are put in or does the network clients/protocols have to | be | | in place first? | | Okay, make sure you shutdown before resetting the network. There is | potentially a DUN issue [yeah we scratch our heads on this one, dial-up, | huh, why would that effect a network adapter, but it IS part of the | network]. The card drivers can be added as soon as possible, you should have | had the Startup/New hardware found, ask for the drivers upon startup, which | then are supposed to install the necessary TCP/IP and other files. | One thing I have found, is having the CABS for 98 in | {drive}:\Windows\Options\CABS, seems to ease installation of most devices. | Just copy the Win98 folder and contents from the CD to that folder. | | One registry entry needs changed though, so installations look there rather | than asking for the CDROM: | --------- | REGEDIT4 | | [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup] | "SourcePath"="C:\\WINDOWS\\OPTIONS\\CABS\\" | | ----------- | This can be placed into a TEXT editor [including the blank line], saved as | option-source.reg, and merged. Modify that to your actual windows | directory/folder if necessary. | It works much better if it was done before the update process as any | updated files are/were copied/placed there as well, meaning you won't be | installing OLD outdated files from the CDROM. | | On installers generally: | Looking at a number of NEW installers, I note that they constantly check for | "administrator rights" [something necessary for NT] and NT files, and fail | to include the old variables for "if its not present then do" [that's not | the actual inclusions just what was done] which the OLD cross platform | installers included. | The cross platforms now being addressed are XP and the necessary VISTA | "special" envelope/requirements. | | Let us know how it goes... | | | | | Right! I better speak to the other guys now. Thanks for your help MEB. | | | | Cheers, | | | | Sandy. | -- | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | -- | _________ | | | | | "MEB" wrote: | | | | | | Let me put both together: | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | | news | | | Hi MEB, | | | | | | Thanks for your response. I'll try to answer all your questions. | | | The Belkin drivers I tried were versions 1, 2.4, 3.2, 6 & 7. | | | I tried installing them by their installers and directly from their | INF | | | files (the latter wouldn't work at all!). | | | I cleaned up as best I could after each time by using the uninstaller, | | | device manager to remove the device deleting the inf folders under | | | | Did you make sure you didn't remove any you needed? I've done that | before. | | | | | Windows/inf/other and physically removing the card. I must admit to | | | forgetting to try MS cleanup utility. | | | It is Windows 98se and is as updated as it got prior to support being | | removed. | | | | Good, then at least that's not part of the issue. | | | | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | | ... | | | To continue... | | | | | | It's a PCChips M571 socket 7 mobo (yes I know it's ancient but it's | served | | | me well for many years!), other PCI cards apart form the Belkin which | | | currently is in slot 1, is a NVidia GeForce MX400 in slot 2 and a | Rockwell | | | 56k modem (for FAX) in slot 3. There is just one ISA slot for a | | Soundblaster | | | card. | | | | | | Hope this helps. Many thanks for your time. | | | | It does, gives a chance to check the specs out. Several versions of the | | board [as well as several *manufacturers*] | | On board video and sound, no on board network. | | No need to explain about the age, I also have several dinosaurs here, | in | | fact I'm using a 440BX .board for this. | | The information I find suggest there were more slots, hmm. Franc Zabkar | did | | some extensive technical work concerning the board. Off subject anyway. | | | | As to the problem, it happens to be quite common with several net | adapters | | and SE: | | http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp - was the technique | you | | used similar to this? | | http://www.freelists.org/archives/pc.../msg00504.html | | http://forum.pcmech.com/archive/index.php/t-34610.html | | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search | | | | Some have found that by merely connecting the net card to a network [or | | modem/router], caused the install to mysteriously work..Others found | that | | changing the card [same] would then allow installation [like a bad card, | and | | yes there a new defectives]. | | | | I would ask if you went into SAFE MODE and made sure that there were no | | ghost entries from previous attempts? | | | | Sometimes its found that going into Control Panel NETWORK and | removing | | all entries [and of course re-setting it up after a shut down] would | then | | allow the installation. | | | | Wait and see what Gary comes up with though before you delete the | Network | | and start over. | | | | | | | | | | "MEB" wrote: | | | | | | Sorry, minds a little distant today... these might help if | answered. | | | What computer are we discussing, make and model. | | | Are there other adapters in the configuration [card or on-board]? | | | | | | -- | | | MEB | | | -- | | | _________ | | | | | | "MEB" meb@not wrote in message | | | ... | | | | What versions did you try, and how was the installation performed | [via | | | | installer or INF]? | | | | Did you clean-up after the failed installs, if not you may have | an | | INF | | | | error per the different software versions. | | | | | | | | Tried to find info on Belkin but couldn't get to the site. I did | find | | | many | | | | pages which claimed no issues with 98SE. Is that the OS version | you | | are | | | | using and is it fully updated?. | | | | | | | | -- | | | | MEB | | | | -- | | | | _________ | | | | | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | | | | ... | | | | | I'm having trouble installing the drivers for a Belkin 54g | wireless | | | | network | | | | | card in 98se. I've been onto Belkin who have given me several | | versions | | | of | | | | | their drivers but it comes down to the same thing... "Error 1F6 | | Windows | | | | can't | | | | | install the driver for your device" (or similar words). Belkin | say | | at | | | | this | | | | | point that it's a bug with Win 98 and not really their problem. | Any | | | | ideas? | | | | | Thanks. | | -- | | MEB | | | | | |
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