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  #21  
Old December 7th 07, 05:49 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
win98 fan :\)
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Default No product key (some posts not showing up on MS servers)

Thank you for the information 98 Guy, but we're loosing the question here(My
fault I started it ;( ) and Marie is helped, I hope, to discover the wonder
world of Win'98 and another pc is saved.
Lets leave it here.
Thank you all for the help and info, learning every day here

"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
Full-quoter John John wrote:

And note - Micro$oft doesn't sponsor or control this newsgroup.


Microsoft created the microsoft.* hierarchy


Probably they did. Lots of groups are or have been created by
individuals and organizations over the years.

It doesn't matter who created a given group or set of groups. If
they're propagated outside the organization that created it, then they
will have no control over what is posted, nor on what is removed.

and made it available to the Usenet.


Only usenet makes posts available to usenet. Microsoft plays no role
in making any MS group "available" to usenet. Microsoft's NNTP
servers play no special or unique role in the availability or
propagation of MS usenet groups.

Microsoft may not control what is posted or replicated on other
servers in the Usenet but it does control what is posted or
replicated on *their* servers (msnews),


The operator of any NNTP server can control or perform oversight and
removal of posts. The removal of posts on a local system almost NEVER
means that same post is also removed from other NNTP servers elsewhere
on the net.

for example, Microsoft removes spam and inappropriate posts on
their servers pretty well every day,


And I see that my post on Wed. Dec 5 (where I posted links to various
MS product keys, and specifically posted 5 win-98se product keys) was
removed or is otherwise not being shown on the ms technet interface to
this group.

Must keep someone busy at MS to censor posts like that.

Anyone who wants to see the FULL, UNCENSORED version of this thread,
should look he

http://tinyurl.com/27xre3

There are 19 posts. Only 11 are being shown on the MS server.

There is a post on Dec. 4 by Bill Watt that was removed (no idea
why). Several posts by win98_fan have also been removed.

Oddly, there is a Dec 5 post by the OP (Marie) that also doesn't show
up on the MS server, and it contains nothing that I'd consider as
censorship material, so it's not clear to me why it's not showing up
on the MS server. Maybe you can explain it.

Here is a link to the technet posts:

http://tinyurl.com/ynqp82

You'll have to expand the tree beside the "No product key" thread.

if others who run news servers "synchronize" to the Microsoft
servers these posts will also be removed on their servers,


Doubt it.

Posts that make it to the MS server (but are removed later by a
censor) would have been propagated to other servers. The vast
majority of usenet operators do not honor external message cancels, so
even if MS sent one out (which is only speculation that they do) it is
highly unlikely to be honored by the operators of other servers.



  #22  
Old December 7th 07, 07:30 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
Marie
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Posts: 9
Default No product key

For some reason my reply did not post so here goes...I have a generic
computer with a VIA KT4V Series Chipset based mainboard and a M830 series
system Board that was installed by a computer store that is no longer - My
Error Message says EXPLORER caused an invalid page fault in module
EXPLORER.EXE @ D197:00401f31. I hope this helps... Marie



"glee" wrote:

When you get an "illegal operation" error message, click the "Details" button, and
post back with the exact details *word for word*, UP TO BUT NOT INCLUDING the memory
registers.

The info you gave in your reply was incomplete. "invalid page fault - exe
0197:00401F31" is not what you saw. The message would name a particular .exe file
and would probably also name the module involved, such as "Explorer.exe caused an
invalid page fault in module kernel32.dll at 0197:00401F31" or something like that.
This is the info we need word for word as it appears in the error details, along
with exactly when the error occurs.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+


"Marie" wrote in message
...
ok guys - I am really not computer savy but I'll do my best here. After the
sign on screen I get the explorer message that program has performed illegal
operation and will be shut down. (It doesn't shut down...) I looked at the
details and it shows invalid page fault - exe 0197:00401F31 and then a whole
list of registers: EAX CS EIP EFLGS EBX SS ESP EPP ECX DS ESI FS EDX ES EDI
GS then Bytes at CS:EIP:stack dump. After I click on ok and expecting it to
shut down, it doesn't. Just get the blank green screen. If I do Cntrol Alt
Del no program shows up. If I do it again it will shut down. Please help me!

"Jeff Richards" wrote:

You probably got that setup screen because the system detected some sort of
problem and initiated a re-installation procedure, using the installation
files stored on disk. You need to identify what sort of error occurred and
whether there are still problems with the machine.

Is yours a brand name PC, such as Dell? If so, the manufacturer will have
diagnostic software available for download, or it may already be installed
on your disk, and there will be a procedure for running diagnostics to
confirm that the machine is still operating properly. If it's old enough
to be running W98 it's probably old enough to be prone to hardware problems.

The other possibility is that you somehow started the machine with a W98
installation CD in the drive. In that case you have replaced your
installation of W98 with a different version, and it is likely that not all
of the correct drivers were installed. But as Bill says, we need more
details about the error, including the point in the startup process where it
occurs and the exact wording of the message, before it's possible to take a
guess at what's happening.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Marie" wrote in message
...
Thank you soooo much...I found one that worked but now I keep getting an
error report and it shuts me down. Start up screen doesn't come up
either.
Any good words of advice on this one?





  #23  
Old December 8th 07, 05:54 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
John John
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Geez, first you say they can't control what is posted to their groups on
their servers then you say that they removed posts in the discussion
thread, make up your mind, you are a walking contradiction. See below
for more comments.

98 Guy wrote:

Full-quoter John John wrote:


And note - Micro$oft doesn't sponsor or control this newsgroup.


Microsoft created the microsoft.* hierarchy



Probably they did.


They not "Probably did" they did, period!


Lots of groups are or have been created by
individuals and organizations over the years.


What does that have to do with Microsoft? Do you think that you are
giving us a great revelation by telling us that lots of Usenet groups
have been created by others?


It doesn't matter who created a given group or set of groups. If
they're propagated outside the organization that created it, then they
will have no control over what is posted, nor on what is removed.


They will have control on what is posted directly to their servers and
to what is removed on their servers. If you want to post directly to
one of their servers and if they refuse to post it then it won't be on
the Usenet system at all! No one ever said that Microsoft controls
posts on other servers in the Usenet system.


and made it available to the Usenet.



Only usenet makes posts available to usenet. Microsoft plays no role
in making any MS group "available" to usenet.


Now you are showing more of your ignorance. Microsoft could have
decided to make their newsgroups private, they could have decided to not
make their groups available to the Usenet. Are you saying that if
Microsoft had decided to have private newsgroups that anyone could hack
their servers and make all the contents of their private groups
available on the Usenet? Do you really think that's how things work?
Microsoft (and a pile of other companies) also has private newsgroups
and these groups were not made available to the Usenet and they don't
show up on the Usenet.


Microsoft's NNTP
servers play no special or unique role in the availability or
propagation of MS usenet groups.


It does if someone is trying to originate the post from the Microsoft
servers, if Microsoft decides to not post it at all then it won't be
there for other servers to replicate it.


Microsoft may not control what is posted or replicated on other
servers in the Usenet but it does control what is posted or
replicated on *their* servers (msnews),



The operator of any NNTP server can control or perform oversight and
removal of posts. The removal of posts on a local system almost NEVER
means that same post is also removed from other NNTP servers elsewhere
on the net.


Well gee, why are you trying to first deny that they can't remove posts
and then you turn around and say that "...The operator of any NNTP
server can control..."? What is your point, if you even have one?


for example, Microsoft removes spam and inappropriate posts on
their servers pretty well every day,



And I see that my post on Wed. Dec 5 (where I posted links to various
MS product keys, and specifically posted 5 win-98se product keys) was
removed or is otherwise not being shown on the ms technet interface to
this group.


This isn't a TechNet group.


Must keep someone busy at MS to censor posts like that.


Why should they have left that on *their* servers? What gives you the
right to participate in software piracy and to then insist that
Microsoft help you do it by having their servers at your disposition for
your piracy activities? Would you be so kind and gentle as to hold the
door open for crooks at your house while you were being robbed?


There are 19 posts. Only 11 are being shown on the MS server.


Exactly, as I first said, Microsoft can, and does remove some posts from
*their* servers. That is what I said in my first reply to you, nothing
more and nothing less. If you want to keep on arguing and posting
contradictions then do as you please, it's the Usenet. If your posts
don't make it to the Microsoft servers I for one won't be crying if I
don't see them.


Oddly, there is a Dec 5 post by the OP (Marie) that also doesn't show
up on the MS server, and it contains nothing that I'd consider as
censorship material, so it's not clear to me why it's not showing up
on the MS server. Maybe you can explain it.

Here is a link to the technet posts:

http://tinyurl.com/ynqp82


That is not a link to TechNet groups. It appears plainly enough to me
that you don't know what TechNet is or that you are incorrectly using
the name to describe something else.


if others who run news servers "synchronize" to the Microsoft
servers these posts will also be removed on their servers,



Doubt it.


More silliness, I see that you don't know what "synchronization" means.


Posts that make it to the MS server (but are removed later by a
censor) would have been propagated to other servers.


No one said otherwise, but the whole point is that if you are trying to
post directly to a msnews Microsoft server and if (for any reason
whatsoever) the post doesn't even make it to the groups to begin with
then it won't be on the Usenet anywhere. Of course if you post to a non
Microsoft server then the post will be on whatever server that wants to
have it, but that doesn't mean that Microsoft has to accept the post or
replicate it on their servers, and the fact that Microsoft *does*
control what is on their servers and that they can and do at times
remove posts has been clearly demonstrated in this thread. Which brings
us back to your initial statement and the one that I first commented on:

And note - Micro$oft doesn't sponsor or control this newsgroup.


Microsoft created the group, Microsoft hosts the group on their servers
and Microsoft can remove anything it pleases on *their* servers. No one
ever said that they (Microsoft) control other servers owned by others in
the Usenet system. What others do with their servers is their business,
not Microsoft's, and vice-versa.

John
  #24  
Old December 8th 07, 07:45 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
Marie
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Posts: 9
Default No product key (some posts not showing up on MS servers)


HELLLLPPPP!!!! You guys lost me in this interchange. Where are we with the
answer to my last post???? Where I explained my computer and the error
message? Do I have to bring this to a fix-it guy???? Or will I be able to
do it myself with your help. Remember - I'm a stay-at-home grandma with
limited expertise!
Marie



"John John" wrote:

Geez, first you say they can't control what is posted to their groups on
their servers then you say that they removed posts in the discussion
thread, make up your mind, you are a walking contradiction. See below
for more comments.

98 Guy wrote:

Full-quoter John John wrote:


And note - Micro$oft doesn't sponsor or control this newsgroup.

Microsoft created the microsoft.* hierarchy



Probably they did.


They not "Probably did" they did, period!


Lots of groups are or have been created by
individuals and organizations over the years.


What does that have to do with Microsoft? Do you think that you are
giving us a great revelation by telling us that lots of Usenet groups
have been created by others?


It doesn't matter who created a given group or set of groups. If
they're propagated outside the organization that created it, then they
will have no control over what is posted, nor on what is removed.


They will have control on what is posted directly to their servers and
to what is removed on their servers. If you want to post directly to
one of their servers and if they refuse to post it then it won't be on
the Usenet system at all! No one ever said that Microsoft controls
posts on other servers in the Usenet system.


and made it available to the Usenet.



Only usenet makes posts available to usenet. Microsoft plays no role
in making any MS group "available" to usenet.


Now you are showing more of your ignorance. Microsoft could have
decided to make their newsgroups private, they could have decided to not
make their groups available to the Usenet. Are you saying that if
Microsoft had decided to have private newsgroups that anyone could hack
their servers and make all the contents of their private groups
available on the Usenet? Do you really think that's how things work?
Microsoft (and a pile of other companies) also has private newsgroups
and these groups were not made available to the Usenet and they don't
show up on the Usenet.


Microsoft's NNTP
servers play no special or unique role in the availability or
propagation of MS usenet groups.


It does if someone is trying to originate the post from the Microsoft
servers, if Microsoft decides to not post it at all then it won't be
there for other servers to replicate it.


Microsoft may not control what is posted or replicated on other
servers in the Usenet but it does control what is posted or
replicated on *their* servers (msnews),



The operator of any NNTP server can control or perform oversight and
removal of posts. The removal of posts on a local system almost NEVER
means that same post is also removed from other NNTP servers elsewhere
on the net.


Well gee, why are you trying to first deny that they can't remove posts
and then you turn around and say that "...The operator of any NNTP
server can control..."? What is your point, if you even have one?


for example, Microsoft removes spam and inappropriate posts on
their servers pretty well every day,



And I see that my post on Wed. Dec 5 (where I posted links to various
MS product keys, and specifically posted 5 win-98se product keys) was
removed or is otherwise not being shown on the ms technet interface to
this group.


This isn't a TechNet group.


Must keep someone busy at MS to censor posts like that.


Why should they have left that on *their* servers? What gives you the
right to participate in software piracy and to then insist that
Microsoft help you do it by having their servers at your disposition for
your piracy activities? Would you be so kind and gentle as to hold the
door open for crooks at your house while you were being robbed?


There are 19 posts. Only 11 are being shown on the MS server.


Exactly, as I first said, Microsoft can, and does remove some posts from
*their* servers. That is what I said in my first reply to you, nothing
more and nothing less. If you want to keep on arguing and posting
contradictions then do as you please, it's the Usenet. If your posts
don't make it to the Microsoft servers I for one won't be crying if I
don't see them.


Oddly, there is a Dec 5 post by the OP (Marie) that also doesn't show
up on the MS server, and it contains nothing that I'd consider as
censorship material, so it's not clear to me why it's not showing up
on the MS server. Maybe you can explain it.

Here is a link to the technet posts:

http://tinyurl.com/ynqp82


That is not a link to TechNet groups. It appears plainly enough to me
that you don't know what TechNet is or that you are incorrectly using
the name to describe something else.


if others who run news servers "synchronize" to the Microsoft
servers these posts will also be removed on their servers,



Doubt it.


More silliness, I see that you don't know what "synchronization" means.


Posts that make it to the MS server (but are removed later by a
censor) would have been propagated to other servers.


No one said otherwise, but the whole point is that if you are trying to
post directly to a msnews Microsoft server and if (for any reason
whatsoever) the post doesn't even make it to the groups to begin with
then it won't be on the Usenet anywhere. Of course if you post to a non
Microsoft server then the post will be on whatever server that wants to
have it, but that doesn't mean that Microsoft has to accept the post or
replicate it on their servers, and the fact that Microsoft *does*
control what is on their servers and that they can and do at times
remove posts has been clearly demonstrated in this thread. Which brings
us back to your initial statement and the one that I first commented on:

And note - Micro$oft doesn't sponsor or control this newsgroup.


Microsoft created the group, Microsoft hosts the group on their servers
and Microsoft can remove anything it pleases on *their* servers. No one
ever said that they (Microsoft) control other servers owned by others in
the Usenet system. What others do with their servers is their business,
not Microsoft's, and vice-versa.

John

  #25  
Old December 8th 07, 08:52 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
glee
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Posts: 2,458
Default No product key

"Marie" wrote in message
news

HELLLLPPPP!!!! You guys lost me in this interchange. Where are we with the
answer to my last post???? Where I explained my computer and the error
message? Do I have to bring this to a fix-it guy???? Or will I be able to
do it myself with your help. Remember - I'm a stay-at-home grandma with
limited expertise!
Marie


I posted links for you to use to start troubleshooting the error you are getting,
two days ago. You may not have seen the post, so I will give them to you again:

Explorer Caused an Invalid Page Fault in Module...
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/191609

http://www.colba.net/~hlebo49/errexp...RREXPLORER.EXE

--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+


  #26  
Old December 8th 07, 09:32 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
Ben Myers
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Posts: 356
Default No product key (some posts not showing up on MS servers)

"Marie" wrote in message news
HELLLLPPPP!!!! You guys lost me in this interchange. Where are we with the
answer to my last post???? Where I explained my computer and the error
message? Do I have to bring this to a fix-it guy???? Or will I be able to
do it myself with your help. Remember - I'm a stay-at-home grandma with
limited expertise!
Marie


If you found a key that works and now have a different problem, please
repost with the new problem, including any error messages.

Ben
  #27  
Old December 9th 07, 07:11 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
Marie
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 9
Default No product key


How do I go about typing in those links? My screen is blank - nothing! -
Very frustrating!



"glee" wrote:

"Marie" wrote in message
news

HELLLLPPPP!!!! You guys lost me in this interchange. Where are we with the
answer to my last post???? Where I explained my computer and the error
message? Do I have to bring this to a fix-it guy???? Or will I be able to
do it myself with your help. Remember - I'm a stay-at-home grandma with
limited expertise!
Marie


I posted links for you to use to start troubleshooting the error you are getting,
two days ago. You may not have seen the post, so I will give them to you again:

Explorer Caused an Invalid Page Fault in Module...
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/191609

http://www.colba.net/~hlebo49/errexp...RREXPLORER.EXE

--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+



  #28  
Old December 9th 07, 07:57 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
win98 fan :\)
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Posts: 16
Default No product key

What I was afraid off, sorry my fault, I took the wrong turn somewhere.
As you are sending this, you have another computer to go online with.
Start explorer there and type in the link(s) that Glen gave you.

The first one ends with cybermedia.com and gives: Error: Access is Denied.
[[[How come Glen? ]]]

And the second one gives this as a solution:
Windows 98
1. Restart Windows 98, press and hold CTRL, and then choose Command
Prompt Only from the Startup menu.
2. At the command prompt, type the following command, and then press
ENTER
ren drive:\windows\system\shdocvw.dll shdocvw.old
where drive is the drive letter on which the Windows folder is
located, and windows is the name of the folder in which Windows is
installed. For example:
ren c:\windows\system\shdocvw.dll shdocvw.old
NOTE: This procedure assumes you do not have a Shdocvw.old file
already located on your hard disk. If this file already exists, use a file
name extension that is not currently in use.
3. Extract the Shdocvw.dll file from the correct media source to the
Windows\System folder. For information about how to do so, see the following
article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:
129605 (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/129605/EN-US/) How to Extract
Original Compressed Windows Files
NOTE: If you are unable to access your CD-ROM drive at a command
prompt, you need to load the real-mode CD-ROM driver and real-mode Microsoft
CD-ROM Extensions driver (Mscdex.exe), in your Config.sys and Autoexec.bat
files. For more information, please see the following article in the
Microsoft Knowledge Base:
135174 (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/135174/EN-US/) Cannot Access
CD-ROM Drive from MS-DOS Mode or Command Prompt
4. Restart your computer.




"Marie" wrote in message
...

How do I go about typing in those links? My screen is blank - nothing! -
Very frustrating!




I posted links for you to use to start troubleshooting the error you are
getting,
two days ago. You may not have seen the post, so I will give them to you
again:

Explorer Caused an Invalid Page Fault in Module...
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/191609

http://www.colba.net/~hlebo49/errexp...RREXPLORER.EXE

--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+



  #29  
Old December 9th 07, 10:51 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
98 Guy
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Posts: 2,951
Default No product key

Marie wrote:

How do I go about typing in those links? My screen is blank
- nothing! -
Very frustrating!


Marie:

Please note that because you are reading and posting these messages on
Microsoft's own server, you are not seeing all the posts because
someone here (most likey an MVP) is alerting microsoft to some posts,
and they are being removed.

So you are reading a censored version of this newsgroup.

If you follow this google-group link:

http://tinyurl.com/2ra347

you will be able to read the full, uncensored thread. There you will
see some posts that will give you the information you are asking for.
Look particularly at post #20.
  #30  
Old December 9th 07, 11:59 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
glee
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Posts: 2,458
Default No product key

"win98 fan " wrote in message ...
What I was afraid off, sorry my fault, I took the wrong turn somewhere.
As you are sending this, you have another computer to go online with.
Start explorer there and type in the link(s) that Glen gave you.

The first one ends with cybermedia.com and gives: Error: Access is Denied.
[[[How come Glen? ]]]
snip

Explorer Caused an Invalid Page Fault in Module...
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/191609

http://www.colba.net/~hlebo49/errexp...RREXPLORER.EXE


cybermedia.com? What are you talking about?
This is the first link I gave:
Explorer Caused an Invalid Page Fault in Module...
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/191609
It goes to the MS KB article described.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+

 




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