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Hard drive larger then 120GB question
"ssome" wrote in message
. .. i'm running 3 HDs on two machines now, both with win 98SE i run the 3rd HD on the secondary cable along with the CDR; slower this way, but extra mem is worth it. use it for storage and not interactive apps. [] I thought that bit about "same cable as CDR makes it slower" was only true for IDE, not EIDE? (If not, then what _is_ the "enhancement" the E stands for?) [True IDE-only drives are years ago - I am pretty sure even CDRs have been EIDE for many years.] |
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By slower, i mean that the calls to that 3rd HD on the secondary cable will
have to wait for any CDRW function to complete before addressing the HD. CD operations are thousands of times slower than HD seeks. Another speed realization is when i went from a 266MHz machine to a 2.6 GHz machine i expected blazing speed. And, i get it for RAM and same HD operations, but when Moving data from one HD to another HD we are limited by the old transfer speed of the HDs ssome "J. P. Gilliver" wrote in message ... "ssome" wrote in message . .. i'm running 3 HDs on two machines now, both with win 98SE i run the 3rd HD on the secondary cable along with the CDR; slower this way, but extra mem is worth it. use it for storage and not interactive apps. [] I thought that bit about "same cable as CDR makes it slower" was only true for IDE, not EIDE? (If not, then what _is_ the "enhancement" the E stands for?) [True IDE-only drives are years ago - I am pretty sure even CDRs have been EIDE for many years.] |
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By slower, i mean that the calls to that 3rd HD on the secondary cable will
have to wait for any CDRW function to complete before addressing the HD. CD operations are thousands of times slower than HD seeks. Another speed realization is when i went from a 266MHz machine to a 2.6 GHz machine i expected blazing speed. And, i get it for RAM and same HD operations, but when Moving data from one HD to another HD we are limited by the old transfer speed of the HDs ssome "J. P. Gilliver" wrote in message ... "ssome" wrote in message . .. i'm running 3 HDs on two machines now, both with win 98SE i run the 3rd HD on the secondary cable along with the CDR; slower this way, but extra mem is worth it. use it for storage and not interactive apps. [] I thought that bit about "same cable as CDR makes it slower" was only true for IDE, not EIDE? (If not, then what _is_ the "enhancement" the E stands for?) [True IDE-only drives are years ago - I am pretty sure even CDRs have been EIDE for many years.] |
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Hard drive larger then 120GB question
For Windows 98SE and ME, you need a PCI controller card to use an EIDE hard
drive larger than 137GB without risking data corruption. The drivers for the controller card enable large drive support in the operating system, while the card itself provides the hardware support needed for the PC to recognize the full drive capacity. WD Lifeguard s/w and Fdisk only let me create a partition of 137 GB max. the rest of the HD goes to waste. screwed by the mfgrs again. ssome "J. P. Gilliver" wrote in message ... "ssome" wrote in message . .. i'm running 3 HDs on two machines now, both with win 98SE i run the 3rd HD on the secondary cable along with the CDR; slower this way, but extra mem is worth it. use it for storage and not interactive apps. [] I thought that bit about "same cable as CDR makes it slower" was only true for IDE, not EIDE? (If not, then what _is_ the "enhancement" the E stands for?) [True IDE-only drives are years ago - I am pretty sure even CDRs have been EIDE for many years.] |
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Hard drive larger then 120GB question
For Windows 98SE and ME, you need a PCI controller card to use an EIDE hard
drive larger than 137GB without risking data corruption. The drivers for the controller card enable large drive support in the operating system, while the card itself provides the hardware support needed for the PC to recognize the full drive capacity. WD Lifeguard s/w and Fdisk only let me create a partition of 137 GB max. the rest of the HD goes to waste. screwed by the mfgrs again. ssome "J. P. Gilliver" wrote in message ... "ssome" wrote in message . .. i'm running 3 HDs on two machines now, both with win 98SE i run the 3rd HD on the secondary cable along with the CDR; slower this way, but extra mem is worth it. use it for storage and not interactive apps. [] I thought that bit about "same cable as CDR makes it slower" was only true for IDE, not EIDE? (If not, then what _is_ the "enhancement" the E stands for?) [True IDE-only drives are years ago - I am pretty sure even CDRs have been EIDE for many years.] |
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Hard drive larger then 120GB question
"ssome" wrote in message
. .. By slower, i mean that the calls to that 3rd HD on the secondary cable will have to wait for any CDRW function to complete before addressing the HD. CD operations are thousands of times slower than HD seeks. Ah, yes, that would still be true, even with EIDE devices. Another speed realization is when i went from a 266MHz machine to a 2.6 GHz machine i expected blazing speed. And, i get it for RAM and same HD operations, but when Moving data from one HD to another HD we are limited by the old transfer speed of the HDs [] Yes; I often have to despairingly tell people that buying a faster PC won't make much difference to most of what they do, and know they don't believe me. (Especially since it _will_ appear faster to start with when it hasn't got anything on it - but they could get the same effect on their present system by starting from scratch again.) |
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Hard drive larger then 120GB question
"ssome" wrote in message
. .. By slower, i mean that the calls to that 3rd HD on the secondary cable will have to wait for any CDRW function to complete before addressing the HD. CD operations are thousands of times slower than HD seeks. Ah, yes, that would still be true, even with EIDE devices. Another speed realization is when i went from a 266MHz machine to a 2.6 GHz machine i expected blazing speed. And, i get it for RAM and same HD operations, but when Moving data from one HD to another HD we are limited by the old transfer speed of the HDs [] Yes; I often have to despairingly tell people that buying a faster PC won't make much difference to most of what they do, and know they don't believe me. (Especially since it _will_ appear faster to start with when it hasn't got anything on it - but they could get the same effect on their present system by starting from scratch again.) |
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Hard drive larger then 120GB question
"ssome" wrote in message
. .. For Windows 98SE and ME, you need a PCI controller card to use an EIDE hard drive larger than 137GB without risking data corruption. The drivers for the controller card enable large drive support in the operating system, while the card itself provides the hardware support needed for the PC to recognize the full drive capacity. Interesting, thanks. WD Lifeguard s/w and Fdisk only let me create a partition of 137 GB max. the rest of the HD goes to waste. screwed by the mfgrs again. [] (I am now wondering: is the 128G [137 if you're a drive mfr.] limit in older OSs the reason there are still quite a few _new_ 40 and 80 G drives on the market?) |
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Hard drive larger then 120GB question
"ssome" wrote in message
. .. For Windows 98SE and ME, you need a PCI controller card to use an EIDE hard drive larger than 137GB without risking data corruption. The drivers for the controller card enable large drive support in the operating system, while the card itself provides the hardware support needed for the PC to recognize the full drive capacity. Interesting, thanks. WD Lifeguard s/w and Fdisk only let me create a partition of 137 GB max. the rest of the HD goes to waste. screwed by the mfgrs again. [] (I am now wondering: is the 128G [137 if you're a drive mfr.] limit in older OSs the reason there are still quite a few _new_ 40 and 80 G drives on the market?) |
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Hard drive larger then 120GB question
"J. P. Gilliver" wrote in message ... "ssome" wrote in message . .. For Windows 98SE and ME, you need a PCI controller card to use an EIDE hard drive larger than 137GB without risking data corruption. The drivers for the controller card enable large drive support in the operating system, while the card itself provides the hardware support needed for the PC to recognize the full drive capacity. Interesting, thanks. WD Lifeguard s/w and Fdisk only let me create a partition of 137 GB max. the rest of the HD goes to waste. screwed by the mfgrs again. [] (I am now wondering: is the 128G [137 if you're a drive mfr.] limit in older OSs the reason there are still quite a few _new_ 40 and 80 G drives on the market?) ....and that 30% of all computers still run win 98 SE because it is fine for them since they are not into Gaming or Video or have 20 users on the system and that they can easily load it into their other machine and can clean reload and can add h/w and s/w to them without having to ask MSoft for permission. i bought another 512 mb of RAM (for 1 GB now) changed the system.ini file $25 and bought a Sabrent HD cntrlr PCI card $20 that i hope will see the whole 250 GB HD and allow me to partition it into 2 ea 125GB drives that will then be used by win 98 SE. i got the newer fdisk file. this will allow me to add up to 4 more HD type devices in addition to the 3 HD and one CDR i have now. Hope 120 GB drives drop in price fast. |
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