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Old November 19th 06, 06:19 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
CdLSRN
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 119
Default Adding new hard drive for backup

(orig. started as "MS config cleanup"

13.6 GB Ultra ATA Hard Drive, 7200 RPM
128 MB, SDRAM Memory - I added 256 for a total of 384 which I am told by Dell is the
most I can add to this 1999 (date of purchase from Dell) system.
I have Windows Second Edition which is (SE). I never heard of FE.
The Iomega Zip takes 250MB Discs. I have never backed up my whole system. (I have my
pictures backed up on six - 250mb discs.

I have a 6xMax Variable DVD-ROM Drive (Toshiba, I believe, factory installed).
I have a Pentium III MiniTowerBase with 512K Cache
I think there are open bays - It looks like it from the outside but I haven't been
inside in quite some time.
Are you sure I can exchange the DVD-ROM drive with a CD-RW??
Anyway, how do I go about adding a hard drive? and what am I looking for on these
links??


"PCR" wrote in message
...
I hesitate to acquiesce that you upgrade to the irradiation of XP! It isn't
necessarily as bad as it sounds to install a 2nd hard drive. I'm having trouble
finding specs for that model, though...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...oogle +Search
Google comes up with many for "Dell Dimension XPS T450", but when I click them-- it
rarely is there!

Best I've come is...
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/tec...379946?ie=UTF8
Did that computer come with just one 6.4 GB hard drive & a CD-ROM? There may be a
BIOS concern about how large a 2nd hard drive can be, then. And it's Win98FE-- not
SE? (I guess it could be a lot of work.)

(1) Did you see a bay inside on which to dock a 2nd hard drive?
(2) What is the capacity of the zip drive?
(3) What/how have you backed up so far?

I guess you could replace the CD-ROM with a CD-R/W.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"CdLSRN" wrote in message ...
| Dell Dimension XPS T450, Desktop. I added memory successfully....... but when I
read
| these directions below.....they might as well be in another language. This is a
| little overwhelming for a pediatric nurse. I think I'll just get a new computer.
|
|
| "PCR" wrote in message
| ...
| You could make do with the ZIP or CD-R/W. But I think, really, you should get a 2nd
| hard drive. You'll need it, anyway, at the time the current one crashes! Have you
| looked inside the box to see whether there is room for one...?...
|
| Naturally, the first consideration is whether there is room inside the
| box. (Well, actually, there undoubtedly also are external possibilities,
| but I know nothing of them.) So,
|
| (1) What is your computer & model number?
| (2) Do you have a manual to look through?
|
| My book clearly showed every screw along the way. (I had to lift out the
| power supply of my Compaq 7470 to get to the innards.) However, it is
| possible to get by without it. There will be literature with the new
| hard drive. There will be two wires to connect. One to a power connector
| on the drive. The other will either be
|
| (a) A cable going from the new drive directly to the motherboard (the
| drive will become a Secondary Master) or
|
| (b) A connector on the cable that already connects the Primary Master to
| the motherboard will plug into the new drive (the new drive is a Slave).
|
| Presuming the box is open & you have access...
|
| (1) You must get the jumpers right, acc. to a diagram on the drive. The
| new one may have a booklet, too. Different manufacturers/models have
| different positions for the jumpers to say the same thing. A jumper is a
| little, colorful, plastic covered device that will be placed over two
| pins on the hard drive. Depending upon which pins it covers, the drive
| is a Master, Slave, etc.
|
| (a) Jumper the new drive as Slave, if you will plug it to the
| cable holding the Primary Master.
| Or set it as Master, if you will connect directly to the MB
| with it's own cable.
|
| (b) The Primary Master (the one you've already got in there),
| especially if it's a Western Digital, may need to be changed to "Master
| with slave", instead of "Master alone on cable". State the name/model of
| the drive, if examining it's diagram doesn't make it clear. This drive
| may need to be removed to see it's diagram. Likely, there are four
| screws involved. Naturally, this won't apply, if the new drive is
| connected to the motherboard, using it's own cable.
|
| (c) If making a Slave, try plugging it into the free connector on
| the cable. However, some computers may require that the Master & Slave
| be in specific positions on the cable. (I believe my Slave is closest to
| the motherboard on the cable, in the middle connector.)
|
| If this is to be a Secondary Master, plug it into the free
| slot on the motherboard. Examine the connector & the pins it is plugging
| into. You will see the orientation that is required, by the parallel
| lines on the side of the connector & slot. Once sure of that, give it a
| push.
|
| (d) Plug a free 4-prong power connector into the new drive. There should be
some
| loose ones inside the box.
|
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| should things get worse after this,
| PCR
|

| "CdLSRN" wrote in message ...
| | I do not have Partitions. I do not have a CDRW. I bought my machine before they
| were
| | offered. I have a ZIP Drive. Should I buy a separate CDRW?
| |
| |
| | "PCR" wrote in message
| | ...
| | FIRST, select a good backup program, & back everything up...!...
| |
| | Once you have a functioning system, especially one close to a clean
| | install, do a full system backup. If you have multiple partitions, I
| | guess a backup is a bit more complex. It depends upon the ties between
| | the Registry & the other partitions, as to whether they must be backed
| | up concurrently. Also, if you've changed the hardware since the backup,
| | you may need to change it back before a restore.
| |
| |
http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/index.html Backup & partitioning strategy
| | http://www.acronis.com/products/trueimage/ TrueImage
| | http://www.arjsoftware.com ARJ Archiver
| | http://www.betterbackup.com/ Retrospect CD Backup
| | http://www.bootitng.com/ 's BootIt NG, has a variety of backup
| | capabilities: Copy to HDD, or Image to HDD or to CD. (TBIView, freely
| | downloadable, can retrieve individual files from an Image.)
| | Shrink/expand your partitions without data loss. Multi-boot, if you
| | dare. Free, run from floppy, but pay up as I did if satisfied. To
| | install & use beyond 30 days, $34.95.
| | http://www.cdrfaq.org/ CD R/W Backup
| | http://www.cyberiapc.com/backup.htm MyOwnBackup (MOB) (Free)
| | http://www.han-soft.com/habt.php Auto Backup (30-day free trial)
| | http://www.karenware.com/ PtReplicator (Free)
| | http://www.lifesaverbackup.com/
| | http://www.mvps.org/links.html Should have good info
| | http://www.pcmag.com/ Lots & lots of sturdy downloads. There is a $20
| | yearly charge now.
| | http://www.pcinspector.de/clone-maxx/uk/welcome.htm PC Inspector
| | http://www.powerquest.com/partitionmagic Partition Magic
| | http://www.ranish.com/part/ Ranish Partition Manager
| | http://www.simtel.net/pub/dl/58307.shtml Files Manager & other stuff
| | http://www.stompsoft.com/pc-backup/p...rceID=BUMP_301
| | http://www.thirdstar.net/thirdstar_datarecovery.htm Data recovery
| | http://www.v-com.com/product/pc_ind.html Partition Commander
| | http://www.xxcopy.com/ Yabumoto's Detailed Procedure Copy (Free)
| | http://www.zeleps.com/ Partition re-sizer (Free)
| |
| | All gathered at this site. Whichever you choose, approach it carefully
| | and verify all is well. After making a copy, run Scandisk/Defrag on it.
| | If it's an Image, use it's verify option; perhaps, restore it and do a
| | Scandisk/Defrag.
| |
| | http://www.jermar.com/wdrvbck.htm WinDrvBckup free version
| |
| | This one supposedly backs up all currently installed drivers, such
| | that they can be reinstalled. I never tried it but have seen a favorable
| | report/three-- & one (by Glee) that was so-so (or worse). SO, BETTER
| | make a full system backup, before wiping Windows.
| |
| |
| | --
| | Thanks or Good Luck,
| | There may be humor in this post, and,
| | Naturally, you will not sue,
| | should things get worse after this,
| | PCR
| |
| | "CdLSRN" wrote in message
...
| | | Can you give me step by step instructions how to do that. I am a pediatric
nurse,
| | not
| | | a computer tech. I can follow directions, if they are specific, though.
| | |
| | |
| | | "darkroommike" wrote in message
| | | ...
| | | CdLSRN wrote:
| | | Over the years I have accumulated over a hundred duplicate and triplicate
| | items
| | | and
| | | items never used or no longer on my computer in unchecked msconfig startup.
| How
| | | can I
| | | delete them?
| | |
| | |
| | | How many years?
| | |
| | | I personally backup, fdisk and format my Win98 computers every year or
| | | so, a clean start and a clean boot really make a difference in
| | | performance. If you're lazy you can use a mirror program after the
| | | first reload when you get your system "just right" and restore from your
| | | best configuration after you wipe the hard drive.
| | |
| | |
| |
| |
|
|




  #2  
Old November 19th 06, 03:01 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Bob Harris
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 92
Default Adding new hard drive for backup

Most PCs of your vintage have two IDE controllers on the motherboard, each
of which can support two IDE/ATAPI devices, such as hard drives, CD/DVD,
ZIP, etc. The floppy drive is on its own controller.

Thus, it is usually easy to add a second internal hard drive.

I did this on a Gateway (circa 1998, Pentum II 450 Mhz) with win98
(original, not SE, although that should not matter).

I purchased a retail disk upgrade from a local PC store. That box included
a bootable CD that could be used to partition and format the new drive.
Alternatively, one could use a DOS floppy that includes FDISK and FORMAT.

The only even half tricky thing is that you must be very careful not to
re-partition/re-format the existing hard drive. Assuming that the new hard
drive is a differnet size (larger), it should be very easy to distinguish
them. Alternatively, you could temporarily disconnect the original hard
drive's signal cable.

Assuming that you just want more storage space, be sure to set the jumpers
on the new drive to "slave", and attach it to the secondary position on the
IDE cable that is attached to the original hard drive. The instructions for
the disk should show jumper settings, or they should be available at the
manufacturer's support website. Do not move the attachment point for the
original hard drive, if you are adding the second disk just for more
storage. Two hard drives on one IDE cable is normal. But, avoid mixing
CD/DVD drives and hard drives on the same cable (same controller), as this
can degrade performance of the hard drive.

Optionally, you could "clone" the original hrad drive to the new one, which
is probably a faster drive. The CD that comes with a retail hard drive
should have that option. However, avoid "cleaning" or "erasing" the
original hard drive, until you are certain that the clone works OK. If you
do clone, then you will need to set the jumps for the new hard drive to
master and the old hard drive to slave, before booting into win98. Also,
the new master must be attached to the master position on the IDE cable, the
one that the original hard drive used to occupy. Once you are happy with
the new setup, then format the old hard drive to free up space on it, or
remove it as a sort-of backup.

As for replacing a CD/DVD reader by a CD&/or DVD writer, that is even easier
than a new hard drive. Just unplug the old one and plug in the new one.
But, be aware that win98 may request new drivers for the new optical device.
If it does, be prepared with drivers on the hard drive in some convenient
folder or on a floppy. Getting drivers from a CD won't work, until after
the new optical device itselfs works in win98. By the way, you can test the
optical device as a reader only from a DOS floppy, if it has generic support
for CD drives. Such a floppy is available free at www.bootdisk.com.

Once the optical device is recognized by win98 as a reader, it may not
function as a writer. Win98 has no intrinsic CD/DVD writing ability.
Instead, you must install third-party software to write CD/DVDs. Such
software should come with the new optical device. However, be sure that it
says it supports 98SE or 98, and not just XP/Vista. Alternatively, you
could install Nero or Easy CD Creator. But, be warned that the latest
version of those does NOT support 98.

Good luck.

"CdLSRN" wrote in message
...
(orig. started as "MS config cleanup"

13.6 GB Ultra ATA Hard Drive, 7200 RPM
128 MB, SDRAM Memory - I added 256 for a total of 384 which I am told by
Dell is the
most I can add to this 1999 (date of purchase from Dell) system.
I have Windows Second Edition which is (SE). I never heard of FE.
The Iomega Zip takes 250MB Discs. I have never backed up my whole system.
(I have my
pictures backed up on six - 250mb discs.

I have a 6xMax Variable DVD-ROM Drive (Toshiba, I believe, factory
installed).
I have a Pentium III MiniTowerBase with 512K Cache
I think there are open bays - It looks like it from the outside but I
haven't been
inside in quite some time.
Are you sure I can exchange the DVD-ROM drive with a CD-RW??
Anyway, how do I go about adding a hard drive? and what am I looking for
on these
links??


"PCR" wrote in message
...
I hesitate to acquiesce that you upgrade to the irradiation of XP! It
isn't
necessarily as bad as it sounds to install a 2nd hard drive. I'm having
trouble
finding specs for that model, though...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...oogle +Search
Google comes up with many for "Dell Dimension XPS T450", but when I click
them-- it
rarely is there!

Best I've come is...
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/tec...379946?ie=UTF8
Did that computer come with just one 6.4 GB hard drive & a CD-ROM? There
may be a
BIOS concern about how large a 2nd hard drive can be, then. And it's
Win98FE-- not
SE? (I guess it could be a lot of work.)

(1) Did you see a bay inside on which to dock a 2nd hard drive?
(2) What is the capacity of the zip drive?
(3) What/how have you backed up so far?

I guess you could replace the CD-ROM with a CD-R/W.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"CdLSRN" wrote in message
...
| Dell Dimension XPS T450, Desktop. I added memory successfully....... but
when I
read
| these directions below.....they might as well be in another language.
This is a
| little overwhelming for a pediatric nurse. I think I'll just get a new
computer.
|
|
| "PCR" wrote in message
| ...
| You could make do with the ZIP or CD-R/W. But I think, really, you
should get a 2nd
| hard drive. You'll need it, anyway, at the time the current one crashes!
Have you
| looked inside the box to see whether there is room for one...?...
|
| Naturally, the first consideration is whether there is room inside the
| box. (Well, actually, there undoubtedly also are external possibilities,
| but I know nothing of them.) So,
|
| (1) What is your computer & model number?
| (2) Do you have a manual to look through?
|
| My book clearly showed every screw along the way. (I had to lift out the
| power supply of my Compaq 7470 to get to the innards.) However, it is
| possible to get by without it. There will be literature with the new
| hard drive. There will be two wires to connect. One to a power connector
| on the drive. The other will either be
|
| (a) A cable going from the new drive directly to the motherboard (the
| drive will become a Secondary Master) or
|
| (b) A connector on the cable that already connects the Primary Master to
| the motherboard will plug into the new drive (the new drive is a Slave).
|
| Presuming the box is open & you have access...
|
| (1) You must get the jumpers right, acc. to a diagram on the drive. The
| new one may have a booklet, too. Different manufacturers/models have
| different positions for the jumpers to say the same thing. A jumper is a
| little, colorful, plastic covered device that will be placed over two
| pins on the hard drive. Depending upon which pins it covers, the drive
| is a Master, Slave, etc.
|
| (a) Jumper the new drive as Slave, if you will plug it to the
| cable holding the Primary Master.
| Or set it as Master, if you will connect directly to the MB
| with it's own cable.
|
| (b) The Primary Master (the one you've already got in there),
| especially if it's a Western Digital, may need to be changed to "Master
| with slave", instead of "Master alone on cable". State the name/model of
| the drive, if examining it's diagram doesn't make it clear. This drive
| may need to be removed to see it's diagram. Likely, there are four
| screws involved. Naturally, this won't apply, if the new drive is
| connected to the motherboard, using it's own cable.
|
| (c) If making a Slave, try plugging it into the free connector on
| the cable. However, some computers may require that the Master & Slave
| be in specific positions on the cable. (I believe my Slave is closest to
| the motherboard on the cable, in the middle connector.)
|
| If this is to be a Secondary Master, plug it into the free
| slot on the motherboard. Examine the connector & the pins it is plugging
| into. You will see the orientation that is required, by the parallel
| lines on the side of the connector & slot. Once sure of that, give it a
| push.
|
| (d) Plug a free 4-prong power connector into the new drive. There
should be
some
| loose ones inside the box.
|
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| should things get worse after this,
| PCR
|

| "CdLSRN" wrote in message
...
| | I do not have Partitions. I do not have a CDRW. I bought my machine
before they
| were
| | offered. I have a ZIP Drive. Should I buy a separate CDRW?
| |
| |
| | "PCR" wrote in message
| | ...
| | FIRST, select a good backup program, & back everything up...!...
| |
| | Once you have a functioning system, especially one close to a clean
| | install, do a full system backup. If you have multiple partitions, I
| | guess a backup is a bit more complex. It depends upon the ties between
| | the Registry & the other partitions, as to whether they must be backed
| | up concurrently. Also, if you've changed the hardware since the
backup,
| | you may need to change it back before a restore.
| |
| |
http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/index.html Backup & partitioning
strategy
| | http://www.acronis.com/products/trueimage/ TrueImage
| | http://www.arjsoftware.com ARJ Archiver
| | http://www.betterbackup.com/ Retrospect CD Backup
| | http://www.bootitng.com/ 's BootIt NG, has a variety of backup
| | capabilities: Copy to HDD, or Image to HDD or to CD. (TBIView, freely
| | downloadable, can retrieve individual files from an Image.)
| | Shrink/expand your partitions without data loss. Multi-boot, if you
| | dare. Free, run from floppy, but pay up as I did if satisfied. To
| | install & use beyond 30 days, $34.95.
| | http://www.cdrfaq.org/ CD R/W Backup
| | http://www.cyberiapc.com/backup.htm MyOwnBackup (MOB) (Free)
| | http://www.han-soft.com/habt.php Auto Backup (30-day free trial)
| | http://www.karenware.com/ PtReplicator (Free)
| | http://www.lifesaverbackup.com/
| | http://www.mvps.org/links.html Should have good info
| | http://www.pcmag.com/ Lots & lots of sturdy downloads. There is a $20
| | yearly charge now.
| | http://www.pcinspector.de/clone-maxx/uk/welcome.htm PC Inspector
| | http://www.powerquest.com/partitionmagic Partition Magic
| | http://www.ranish.com/part/ Ranish Partition Manager
| | http://www.simtel.net/pub/dl/58307.shtml Files Manager & other stuff
| | http://www.stompsoft.com/pc-backup/p...rceID=BUMP_301
| | http://www.thirdstar.net/thirdstar_datarecovery.htm Data recovery
| | http://www.v-com.com/product/pc_ind.html Partition Commander
| | http://www.xxcopy.com/ Yabumoto's Detailed Procedure Copy (Free)
| | http://www.zeleps.com/ Partition re-sizer (Free)
| |
| | All gathered at this site. Whichever you choose, approach it carefully
| | and verify all is well. After making a copy, run Scandisk/Defrag on
it.
| | If it's an Image, use it's verify option; perhaps, restore it and do a
| | Scandisk/Defrag.
| |
| | http://www.jermar.com/wdrvbck.htm WinDrvBckup free version
| |
| | This one supposedly backs up all currently installed drivers, such
| | that they can be reinstalled. I never tried it but have seen a
favorable
| | report/three-- & one (by Glee) that was so-so (or worse). SO, BETTER
| | make a full system backup, before wiping Windows.
| |
| |
| | --
| | Thanks or Good Luck,
| | There may be humor in this post, and,
| | Naturally, you will not sue,
| | should things get worse after this,
| | PCR
| |
| | "CdLSRN" wrote in message
...
| | | Can you give me step by step instructions how to do that. I am a
pediatric
nurse,
| | not
| | | a computer tech. I can follow directions, if they are specific,
though.
| | |
| | |
| | | "darkroommike" wrote in message
| | | ...
| | | CdLSRN wrote:
| | | Over the years I have accumulated over a hundred duplicate and
triplicate
| | items
| | | and
| | | items never used or no longer on my computer in unchecked
msconfig startup.
| How
| | | can I
| | | delete them?
| | |
| | |
| | | How many years?
| | |
| | | I personally backup, fdisk and format my Win98 computers every
year or
| | | so, a clean start and a clean boot really make a difference in
| | | performance. If you're lazy you can use a mirror program after
the
| | | first reload when you get your system "just right" and restore
from your
| | | best configuration after you wipe the hard drive.
| | |
| | |
| |
| |
|
|






  #3  
Old November 19th 06, 03:12 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Bob Harris
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 92
Default Adding new hard drive for backup

A couple of words of caution on the size of the new hard drive:

Win98 is limited to drives no more than about 127 Gig. This was also a
limitation on the original XP, but has since been patched for XP, but not
for 98. If the hard drive is larger than 127Gig, 98 can sometimes use it,
if partitions are made that do not exceed the 127Gig boundary. Space beyond
that point can be used by some other operating system (e.g., XP, LINUX), if
you happen to have another installed on the PC.

But, the PC's BIOS may be even more limited. There was once a BIOS limit of
about 32Gig. Be sure to check that your PC does not have that limit. If it
does, then plan on a new hard drive no larger than about 30 Gig. (Note that
some 40Gig drives offer a jumper feature to limit their effective capacity
to 30 Gig.) OR, install a PCI-ATA/100 adapter card and connect the new
drive to that. Such a card fits in a standard PCI slot, assuming that you
have one available. It usually has one or two IDE controllers, which are
capable of up to two IDE/ATAPI devices each, for a total of 4 disks and/or
CD/DVD, ZIP, etc. The advantage of such a card is that it contains its own
BIOS, and any modern card will support beyond 127Gig. But, you will still
be limited by 98's hard drive size limitations.

"CdLSRN" wrote in message
...
(orig. started as "MS config cleanup"

13.6 GB Ultra ATA Hard Drive, 7200 RPM
128 MB, SDRAM Memory - I added 256 for a total of 384 which I am told by
Dell is the
most I can add to this 1999 (date of purchase from Dell) system.
I have Windows Second Edition which is (SE). I never heard of FE.
The Iomega Zip takes 250MB Discs. I have never backed up my whole system.
(I have my
pictures backed up on six - 250mb discs.

I have a 6xMax Variable DVD-ROM Drive (Toshiba, I believe, factory
installed).
I have a Pentium III MiniTowerBase with 512K Cache
I think there are open bays - It looks like it from the outside but I
haven't been
inside in quite some time.
Are you sure I can exchange the DVD-ROM drive with a CD-RW??
Anyway, how do I go about adding a hard drive? and what am I looking for
on these
links??


"PCR" wrote in message
...
I hesitate to acquiesce that you upgrade to the irradiation of XP! It
isn't
necessarily as bad as it sounds to install a 2nd hard drive. I'm having
trouble
finding specs for that model, though...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...oogle +Search
Google comes up with many for "Dell Dimension XPS T450", but when I click
them-- it
rarely is there!

Best I've come is...
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/tec...379946?ie=UTF8
Did that computer come with just one 6.4 GB hard drive & a CD-ROM? There
may be a
BIOS concern about how large a 2nd hard drive can be, then. And it's
Win98FE-- not
SE? (I guess it could be a lot of work.)

(1) Did you see a bay inside on which to dock a 2nd hard drive?
(2) What is the capacity of the zip drive?
(3) What/how have you backed up so far?

I guess you could replace the CD-ROM with a CD-R/W.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"CdLSRN" wrote in message
...
| Dell Dimension XPS T450, Desktop. I added memory successfully....... but
when I
read
| these directions below.....they might as well be in another language.
This is a
| little overwhelming for a pediatric nurse. I think I'll just get a new
computer.
|
|
| "PCR" wrote in message
| ...
| You could make do with the ZIP or CD-R/W. But I think, really, you
should get a 2nd
| hard drive. You'll need it, anyway, at the time the current one crashes!
Have you
| looked inside the box to see whether there is room for one...?...
|
| Naturally, the first consideration is whether there is room inside the
| box. (Well, actually, there undoubtedly also are external possibilities,
| but I know nothing of them.) So,
|
| (1) What is your computer & model number?
| (2) Do you have a manual to look through?
|
| My book clearly showed every screw along the way. (I had to lift out the
| power supply of my Compaq 7470 to get to the innards.) However, it is
| possible to get by without it. There will be literature with the new
| hard drive. There will be two wires to connect. One to a power connector
| on the drive. The other will either be
|
| (a) A cable going from the new drive directly to the motherboard (the
| drive will become a Secondary Master) or
|
| (b) A connector on the cable that already connects the Primary Master to
| the motherboard will plug into the new drive (the new drive is a Slave).
|
| Presuming the box is open & you have access...
|
| (1) You must get the jumpers right, acc. to a diagram on the drive. The
| new one may have a booklet, too. Different manufacturers/models have
| different positions for the jumpers to say the same thing. A jumper is a
| little, colorful, plastic covered device that will be placed over two
| pins on the hard drive. Depending upon which pins it covers, the drive
| is a Master, Slave, etc.
|
| (a) Jumper the new drive as Slave, if you will plug it to the
| cable holding the Primary Master.
| Or set it as Master, if you will connect directly to the MB
| with it's own cable.
|
| (b) The Primary Master (the one you've already got in there),
| especially if it's a Western Digital, may need to be changed to "Master
| with slave", instead of "Master alone on cable". State the name/model of
| the drive, if examining it's diagram doesn't make it clear. This drive
| may need to be removed to see it's diagram. Likely, there are four
| screws involved. Naturally, this won't apply, if the new drive is
| connected to the motherboard, using it's own cable.
|
| (c) If making a Slave, try plugging it into the free connector on
| the cable. However, some computers may require that the Master & Slave
| be in specific positions on the cable. (I believe my Slave is closest to
| the motherboard on the cable, in the middle connector.)
|
| If this is to be a Secondary Master, plug it into the free
| slot on the motherboard. Examine the connector & the pins it is plugging
| into. You will see the orientation that is required, by the parallel
| lines on the side of the connector & slot. Once sure of that, give it a
| push.
|
| (d) Plug a free 4-prong power connector into the new drive. There
should be
some
| loose ones inside the box.
|
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| should things get worse after this,
| PCR
|

| "CdLSRN" wrote in message
...
| | I do not have Partitions. I do not have a CDRW. I bought my machine
before they
| were
| | offered. I have a ZIP Drive. Should I buy a separate CDRW?
| |
| |
| | "PCR" wrote in message
| | ...
| | FIRST, select a good backup program, & back everything up...!...
| |
| | Once you have a functioning system, especially one close to a clean
| | install, do a full system backup. If you have multiple partitions, I
| | guess a backup is a bit more complex. It depends upon the ties between
| | the Registry & the other partitions, as to whether they must be backed
| | up concurrently. Also, if you've changed the hardware since the
backup,
| | you may need to change it back before a restore.
| |
| |
http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/index.html Backup & partitioning
strategy
| | http://www.acronis.com/products/trueimage/ TrueImage
| | http://www.arjsoftware.com ARJ Archiver
| | http://www.betterbackup.com/ Retrospect CD Backup
| | http://www.bootitng.com/ 's BootIt NG, has a variety of backup
| | capabilities: Copy to HDD, or Image to HDD or to CD. (TBIView, freely
| | downloadable, can retrieve individual files from an Image.)
| | Shrink/expand your partitions without data loss. Multi-boot, if you
| | dare. Free, run from floppy, but pay up as I did if satisfied. To
| | install & use beyond 30 days, $34.95.
| | http://www.cdrfaq.org/ CD R/W Backup
| | http://www.cyberiapc.com/backup.htm MyOwnBackup (MOB) (Free)
| | http://www.han-soft.com/habt.php Auto Backup (30-day free trial)
| | http://www.karenware.com/ PtReplicator (Free)
| | http://www.lifesaverbackup.com/
| | http://www.mvps.org/links.html Should have good info
| | http://www.pcmag.com/ Lots & lots of sturdy downloads. There is a $20
| | yearly charge now.
| | http://www.pcinspector.de/clone-maxx/uk/welcome.htm PC Inspector
| | http://www.powerquest.com/partitionmagic Partition Magic
| | http://www.ranish.com/part/ Ranish Partition Manager
| | http://www.simtel.net/pub/dl/58307.shtml Files Manager & other stuff
| | http://www.stompsoft.com/pc-backup/p...rceID=BUMP_301
| | http://www.thirdstar.net/thirdstar_datarecovery.htm Data recovery
| | http://www.v-com.com/product/pc_ind.html Partition Commander
| | http://www.xxcopy.com/ Yabumoto's Detailed Procedure Copy (Free)
| | http://www.zeleps.com/ Partition re-sizer (Free)
| |
| | All gathered at this site. Whichever you choose, approach it carefully
| | and verify all is well. After making a copy, run Scandisk/Defrag on
it.
| | If it's an Image, use it's verify option; perhaps, restore it and do a
| | Scandisk/Defrag.
| |
| | http://www.jermar.com/wdrvbck.htm WinDrvBckup free version
| |
| | This one supposedly backs up all currently installed drivers, such
| | that they can be reinstalled. I never tried it but have seen a
favorable
| | report/three-- & one (by Glee) that was so-so (or worse). SO, BETTER
| | make a full system backup, before wiping Windows.
| |
| |
| | --
| | Thanks or Good Luck,
| | There may be humor in this post, and,
| | Naturally, you will not sue,
| | should things get worse after this,
| | PCR
| |
| | "CdLSRN" wrote in message
...
| | | Can you give me step by step instructions how to do that. I am a
pediatric
nurse,
| | not
| | | a computer tech. I can follow directions, if they are specific,
though.
| | |
| | |
| | | "darkroommike" wrote in message
| | | ...
| | | CdLSRN wrote:
| | | Over the years I have accumulated over a hundred duplicate and
triplicate
| | items
| | | and
| | | items never used or no longer on my computer in unchecked
msconfig startup.
| How
| | | can I
| | | delete them?
| | |
| | |
| | | How many years?
| | |
| | | I personally backup, fdisk and format my Win98 computers every
year or
| | | so, a clean start and a clean boot really make a difference in
| | | performance. If you're lazy you can use a mirror program after
the
| | | first reload when you get your system "just right" and restore
from your
| | | best configuration after you wipe the hard drive.
| | |
| | |
| |
| |
|
|






  #4  
Old November 19th 06, 09:05 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
PCR
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Posts: 4,396
Default Adding new hard drive for backup

Bob Harris seems to have provided good info on adding a hard drive, & I
hope he sticks around. I guess it's best to stay under 127 GB, or you'd
have to add an IDE Adapter card to hold the drive. I have already
supplied a description of my own experience. It isn't impossible to do,
but it could go easy or hard. I'm pretty sure I had to fiddle thrice,
before it all would work.

Open the box (you've been in there before), & tell us what you see
regarding the IDE data cables (flat & gray) that hold the hard drive,
Iomega Zip, & the DVD-ROM Drive. Best would be that the hard drive is
currently alone on its cable, & that you see an empty bay into which to
install the 2nd hard drive. Then, you'd be able to put the new one onto
that cable as a slave in the free cable slot per my detailed
instructions— without needing to move any of the others. Drivers may get
ornery, if you need to move one of the others off the cable that holds
the current hard drive & onto the other. Those instructions can be
clarified further— once we know what it looks like inside your box.

| 13.6 GB Ultra ATA Hard Drive, 7200 RPM

Do you know what manufacturer & model?

| Are you sure I can exchange the DVD-ROM drive with a CD-RW??

Your Iomega Zip is bigger & better than a CD-R/W. I only hope it doesn't
complicate this process of adding a 2nd hard drive, though. I hope it
doesn't have to be moved, & I hope its software won't be confused by the
addition too. I have no experience with it, but only suspicions.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"CdLSRN" wrote in message
...
| (orig. started as "MS config cleanup"
|
| 13.6 GB Ultra ATA Hard Drive, 7200 RPM
| 128 MB, SDRAM Memory - I added 256 for a total of 384 which I am told
by Dell is the
| most I can add to this 1999 (date of purchase from Dell) system.
| I have Windows Second Edition which is (SE). I never heard of FE.
| The Iomega Zip takes 250MB Discs. I have never backed up my whole
system. (I have my
| pictures backed up on six - 250mb discs.
|
| I have a 6xMax Variable DVD-ROM Drive (Toshiba, I believe, factory
installed).
| I have a Pentium III MiniTowerBase with 512K Cache
| I think there are open bays - It looks like it from the outside but I
haven't been
| inside in quite some time.
| Are you sure I can exchange the DVD-ROM drive with a CD-RW??
| Anyway, how do I go about adding a hard drive? and what am I looking
for on these
| links??
|
|
| "PCR" wrote in message
| ...
| I hesitate to acquiesce that you upgrade to the irradiation of XP! It
isn't
| necessarily as bad as it sounds to install a 2nd hard drive. I'm
having trouble
| finding specs for that model, though...
|
|
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...oogle +Search
| Google comes up with many for "Dell Dimension XPS T450", but when I
click them-- it
| rarely is there!
|
| Best I've come is...
|
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/tec...379946?ie=UTF8
| Did that computer come with just one 6.4 GB hard drive & a CD-ROM?
There may be a
| BIOS concern about how large a 2nd hard drive can be, then. And it's
Win98FE-- not
| SE? (I guess it could be a lot of work.)
|
| (1) Did you see a bay inside on which to dock a 2nd hard drive?
| (2) What is the capacity of the zip drive?
| (3) What/how have you backed up so far?
|
| I guess you could replace the CD-ROM with a CD-R/W.
|
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| should things get worse after this,
| PCR
|
| "CdLSRN" wrote in message
...
| | Dell Dimension XPS T450, Desktop. I added memory successfully.......
but when I
| read
| | these directions below.....they might as well be in another
language. This is a
| | little overwhelming for a pediatric nurse. I think I'll just get a
new computer.
| |
| |
| | "PCR" wrote in message
| | ...
| | You could make do with the ZIP or CD-R/W. But I think, really, you
should get a 2nd
| | hard drive. You'll need it, anyway, at the time the current one
crashes! Have you
| | looked inside the box to see whether there is room for one...?...
| |
| | Naturally, the first consideration is whether there is room inside
the
| | box. (Well, actually, there undoubtedly also are external
possibilities,
| | but I know nothing of them.) So,
| |
| | (1) What is your computer & model number?
| | (2) Do you have a manual to look through?
| |
| | My book clearly showed every screw along the way. (I had to lift out
the
| | power supply of my Compaq 7470 to get to the innards.) However, it
is
| | possible to get by without it. There will be literature with the new
| | hard drive. There will be two wires to connect. One to a power
connector
| | on the drive. The other will either be
| |
| | (a) A cable going from the new drive directly to the motherboard
(the
| | drive will become a Secondary Master) or
| |
| | (b) A connector on the cable that already connects the Primary
Master to
| | the motherboard will plug into the new drive (the new drive is a
Slave).
| |
| | Presuming the box is open & you have access...
| |
| | (1) You must get the jumpers right, acc. to a diagram on the drive.
The
| | new one may have a booklet, too. Different manufacturers/models have
| | different positions for the jumpers to say the same thing. A jumper
is a
| | little, colorful, plastic covered device that will be placed over
two
| | pins on the hard drive. Depending upon which pins it covers, the
drive
| | is a Master, Slave, etc.
| |
| | (a) Jumper the new drive as Slave, if you will plug it to the
| | cable holding the Primary Master.
| | Or set it as Master, if you will connect directly to the
MB
| | with it's own cable.
| |
| | (b) The Primary Master (the one you've already got in there),
| | especially if it's a Western Digital, may need to be changed to
"Master
| | with slave", instead of "Master alone on cable". State the
name/model of
| | the drive, if examining it's diagram doesn't make it clear. This
drive
| | may need to be removed to see it's diagram. Likely, there are four
| | screws involved. Naturally, this won't apply, if the new drive is
| | connected to the motherboard, using it's own cable.
| |
| | (c) If making a Slave, try plugging it into the free connector
on
| | the cable. However, some computers may require that the Master &
Slave
| | be in specific positions on the cable. (I believe my Slave is
closest to
| | the motherboard on the cable, in the middle connector.)
| |
| | If this is to be a Secondary Master, plug it into the free
| | slot on the motherboard. Examine the connector & the pins it is
plugging
| | into. You will see the orientation that is required, by the parallel
| | lines on the side of the connector & slot. Once sure of that, give
it a
| | push.
| |
| | (d) Plug a free 4-prong power connector into the new drive.
There should be
| some
| | loose ones inside the box.
| |
| |
| | --
| | Thanks or Good Luck,
| | There may be humor in this post, and,
| | Naturally, you will not sue,
| | should things get worse after this,
| | PCR
| |

| | "CdLSRN" wrote in message
...
| | | I do not have Partitions. I do not have a CDRW. I bought my
machine before they
| | were
| | | offered. I have a ZIP Drive. Should I buy a separate CDRW?
| | |
| | |
| | | "PCR" wrote in message
| | | ...
| | | FIRST, select a good backup program, & back everything up...!...
| | |
| | | Once you have a functioning system, especially one close to a
clean
| | | install, do a full system backup. If you have multiple partitions,
I
| | | guess a backup is a bit more complex. It depends upon the ties
between
| | | the Registry & the other partitions, as to whether they must be
backed
| | | up concurrently. Also, if you've changed the hardware since the
backup,
| | | you may need to change it back before a restore.
| | |
| | |
http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/index.html Backup & partitioning
strategy
| | | http://www.acronis.com/products/trueimage/ TrueImage
| | | http://www.arjsoftware.com ARJ Archiver
| | | http://www.betterbackup.com/ Retrospect CD Backup
| | | http://www.bootitng.com/ 's BootIt NG, has a variety of backup
| | | capabilities: Copy to HDD, or Image to HDD or to CD. (TBIView,
freely
| | | downloadable, can retrieve individual files from an Image.)
| | | Shrink/expand your partitions without data loss. Multi-boot, if
you
| | | dare. Free, run from floppy, but pay up as I did if satisfied. To
| | | install & use beyond 30 days, $34.95.
| | | http://www.cdrfaq.org/ CD R/W Backup
| | | http://www.cyberiapc.com/backup.htm MyOwnBackup (MOB) (Free)
| | | http://www.han-soft.com/habt.php Auto Backup (30-day free trial)
| | | http://www.karenware.com/ PtReplicator (Free)
| | | http://www.lifesaverbackup.com/
| | | http://www.mvps.org/links.html Should have good info
| | | http://www.pcmag.com/ Lots & lots of sturdy downloads. There is a
$20
| | | yearly charge now.
| | | http://www.pcinspector.de/clone-maxx/uk/welcome.htm PC Inspector
| | | http://www.powerquest.com/partitionmagic Partition Magic
| | | http://www.ranish.com/part/ Ranish Partition Manager
| | | http://www.simtel.net/pub/dl/58307.shtml Files Manager & other
stuff
| | |
http://www.stompsoft.com/pc-backup/p...rceID=BUMP_301
| | | http://www.thirdstar.net/thirdstar_datarecovery.htm Data recovery
| | | http://www.v-com.com/product/pc_ind.html Partition Commander
| | | http://www.xxcopy.com/ Yabumoto's Detailed Procedure Copy (Free)
| | | http://www.zeleps.com/ Partition re-sizer (Free)
| | |
| | | All gathered at this site. Whichever you choose, approach it
carefully
| | | and verify all is well. After making a copy, run Scandisk/Defrag
on it.
| | | If it's an Image, use it's verify option; perhaps, restore it and
do a
| | | Scandisk/Defrag.
| | |
| | | http://www.jermar.com/wdrvbck.htm WinDrvBckup free version
| | |
| | | This one supposedly backs up all currently installed drivers, such
| | | that they can be reinstalled. I never tried it but have seen a
favorable
| | | report/three-- & one (by Glee) that was so-so (or worse). SO,
BETTER
| | | make a full system backup, before wiping Windows.
| | |
| | |
| | | --
| | | Thanks or Good Luck,
| | | There may be humor in this post, and,
| | | Naturally, you will not sue,
| | | should things get worse after this,
| | | PCR
| | |
| | | "CdLSRN" wrote in message
| ...
| | | | Can you give me step by step instructions how to do that. I am a
pediatric
| nurse,
| | | not
| | | | a computer tech. I can follow directions, if they are specific,
though.
| | | |
| | | |
| | | | "darkroommike" wrote in message
| | | | ...
| | | | CdLSRN wrote:
| | | | Over the years I have accumulated over a hundred duplicate
and triplicate
| | | items
| | | | and
| | | | items never used or no longer on my computer in unchecked
msconfig startup.
| | How
| | | | can I
| | | | delete them?
| | | |
| | | |
| | | | How many years?
| | | |
| | | | I personally backup, fdisk and format my Win98 computers every
year or
| | | | so, a clean start and a clean boot really make a difference in
| | | | performance. If you're lazy you can use a mirror program
after the
| | | | first reload when you get your system "just right" and restore
from your
| | | | best configuration after you wipe the hard drive.
| | | |
| | | |
| | |
| | |
| |
| |
|
|
|
|


 




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