MS05-002 on 9x and ME

| Maybe YOU shouldn't be allowed to say anything at all,
| unless YOU take a mental competency test first?

That's the one!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Hugh Candlin" wrote in message
...
|
| "Bill in Co." wrote in message
| ...
| Gary S. Terhune wrote:
| If by "absurdity" you are referring to my observation regarding
the
| actual use of Explorer, I beg to differ. I deal with "real-world"
users
| all the time, and a significant majority don't know what Explorer
is
| until I show them (and add a shortcut to the QL bar.) Why do you
think
| MS hid XP's Explorer shortcut in the Accessories menu? And no,
they
| don't use My Computer much, either, if at all.
|
| Maybe those people shouldn't be allowed to have a computer!!
| They need to take a placement test!
|
| Then what? ID numbers burned into wrists?
|
| Maybe YOU shouldn't be allowed to drive a car,
| because of your choice of vehicle?
|
| Maybe YOU shouldn't be allowed to live where you do,
| because of your choice of clothes?
|
| Maybe YOU shouldn't be allowed to say anything at all,
| unless YOU take a mental competency test first?
|
| YOU should be outraged by the above rhetorical questions,
| just as many people will be by YOUR thoughlessness.
|
| What gives YOU the right to arbitrate that YOUR level
| of computer expertise exceeds an "acceptable standard",
| but that others need to PROVE that they have the right
| to learn to use their own possessions in their own home?
|
| I've stated my position. Don't expect a debate.
|
|

Hugh Candlin wrote:
"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Gary S. Terhune wrote:
If by "absurdity" you are referring to my observation regarding the
actual use of Explorer, I beg to differ. I deal with "real-world" users
all the time, and a significant majority don't know what Explorer is
until I show them (and add a shortcut to the QL bar.) Why do you think
MS hid XP's Explorer shortcut in the Accessories menu? And no, they
don't use My Computer much, either, if at all.

Maybe those people shouldn't be allowed to have a computer!!
They need to take a placement test!

Then what? ID numbers burned into wrists?

Maybe YOU shouldn't be allowed to drive a car,
because of your choice of vehicle?

Maybe YOU shouldn't be allowed to live where you do,
because of your choice of clothes?

Maybe YOU shouldn't be allowed to say anything at all,
unless YOU take a mental competency test first?

YOU should be outraged by the above rhetorical questions,
just as many people will be by YOUR thoughlessness.

What gives YOU the right to arbitrate that YOUR level
of computer expertise exceeds an "acceptable standard",
but that others need to PROVE that they have the right
to learn to use their own possessions in their own home?

I've stated my position. Don't expect a debate.

The tone of your reaction (incl the references to concentration camps) says
more about you than me. So think about that. "Don't expect a debate",
right back at ya.

He's a nasty one at times, Colorado. I think everyone knows that.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
| Hugh Candlin wrote:
| "Bill in Co." wrote in message
| ...
| Gary S. Terhune wrote:
| If by "absurdity" you are referring to my observation regarding
the
| actual use of Explorer, I beg to differ. I deal with "real-world"
users
| all the time, and a significant majority don't know what Explorer
is
| until I show them (and add a shortcut to the QL bar.) Why do you
think
| MS hid XP's Explorer shortcut in the Accessories menu? And no,
they
| don't use My Computer much, either, if at all.
|
| Maybe those people shouldn't be allowed to have a computer!!
| They need to take a placement test!
|
| Then what? ID numbers burned into wrists?
|
| Maybe YOU shouldn't be allowed to drive a car,
| because of your choice of vehicle?
|
| Maybe YOU shouldn't be allowed to live where you do,
| because of your choice of clothes?
|
| Maybe YOU shouldn't be allowed to say anything at all,
| unless YOU take a mental competency test first?
|
| YOU should be outraged by the above rhetorical questions,
| just as many people will be by YOUR thoughlessness.
|
| What gives YOU the right to arbitrate that YOUR level
| of computer expertise exceeds an "acceptable standard",
| but that others need to PROVE that they have the right
| to learn to use their own possessions in their own home?
|
| I've stated my position. Don't expect a debate.
|
| The tone of your reaction (incl the references to concentration camps)
says
| more about you than me. So think about that. "Don't expect a
debate",
| right back at ya.
|
|

Hi-ya PCR Pro,
Yeah.... I won't hold my breath for a fix though!!
I do watch this thread!!
Had a potential threat to my puter... rec'd a virus threat... a virus laden
java jar.
Was out doing a Google search, trying to help my sister, did a search on
Common Hijacker, opened a page and zap. Pc-cillin opened and halted all
Internet traffic, took 4 attempts before successful quarantine occured.
The virus was..... JAVA_BYTEVER.B
After, Trend Micro pg. for this virus opened and I read about the virus and
was taken to Microsoft Security Bulletin MS03-011, the virus exploits a
problem w/Microsoft VM, next I went to Windows Update and viewed my
installation history to make sure I had the patch for the fix to VM, I was
good.
I was SAVED, but I'm now hardly using IE, thinking about downloading
Firefox. Have you downloaded Firefox ???

Star

"PCR" wrote in message
...
Well, the current outcome is...
http://cquirke.mvps.org/bexp1.htm

Cquirke has created a page for it on his site & has promised to direct
MS to view it, uh, thrice a day for the next three years & three days.
Have you seen it?


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Star" wrote in message
...
| Yes, I can tarry on, my puter will recover *completely* but takes some
time,
| and it is locked.... I see remnants of the progress bar, can't close
| windows, start button no response, etc...
|
| I *can continue* like nothing ever happened, ... all is fine until I
do
| another large delete.
|
| After recovery, I can delete a single or multiple files, no
problems... no
| delays, but mine seems to a lesser degree, ***however, note, I walk
away for
| 3-5 mins. AND the puter has recovered w/no further help on my
part***!!
|
| Did I answer what you asked, your post was confusing, PCR ???
|
| Star
|
| "PCR" wrote in message
| ...
| Yes, I see it, & here it is...
|
| Now/then the same happens to the best of us, & we probably caught
that
| missing-post disease from Brian A!
|
| | *** Fldrs w/3000 files, slow recovery. Media Catalog has over 50
| fldrs. &
| | over 3000 files.
|
| I guess that qualifies, for the problem to show up by the number of
| directories involved. Does it ever show up ==in the first place==
from
| deleting just a single huge file, NOT that I want you to try? I
know,
| once it is triggered by deleting a folder full, then deleting a
single
| file will have the delays.
|
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| should things get worse after this,
| PCR
|
| "Star" wrote in message
| ...
| | PCR,
| | I saw Glee's post and he has reproduced it. I posted a response,
he's
| | *right-on*, however, I don't see my post on my puter... this is
what I
| | posted....
| |
| | Yes Glee,
| | Your description is *right-on*, progress bar moves along and then
| zap... I
| | posted earlier. I use to re-boot, but like I mentioned in my
post....
| now,
| | I let it be and walk away. I come back in 3-5 mins. and my puter
will
| | recover and all is well again. Mine unlocks, progress bar
remnants
| remove
| | themselves and I can tarry on.
| | Star
| |
| | Do you see the above post on your puter ?? Let me know, didn't
post
| that I
| | can see and don't want to duplicate.
| |
| | See below....
| |
| | "PCR" wrote in message
| | ...
| | Absolutely, it has not been fixed! PA Bear has been in
hibernation
| too
| | long, I think! Looks like it's more disturbing to you & others
who
| | actually do have a large number of large files to move/delete.
But,
| stay
| | tuned. Who knows? Maybe cquirke will light a fire under MS's
butt!
| |
| | | hangs and the puter is unusable, initially... lock-up. I use
to do
| a
| | forced
| | | re-boot. I have learned to **WAIT** the puter needs several
| minutes
| | to
| | | recover. sometimes 3-5 mins. & I walk away. Come back, all is
| well
| | w/puter,
| | | recovery occurs!!
| |
| | Well, has no one gotten that "Low resources, close some apps"
| message
| | but me? (Well, even I didn't always get it.) Anyway, that's
| interesting.
| | After it has recovered, can you then Delete or Move small files
at
| will,
| | or will they also cause the delay? How big are the graphic
files, &
| how
| | many do you have to Delete for the problem to first show up?
| |
| | *** Fldrs w/3000 files, slow recovery. Media Catalog has over 50
| fldrs. &
| | over 3000 files. I have bigger folders, all **My Old My Documents
| fldrs,
| | from past installs using various OS's, average 200 - 400 mb.** I
| don't move
| | large bulk fldrs too ofter, but delete them from zip drive and
work
| fldr. on
| | my desktop. After, I do back-up, I delete all the files in my
work
| fldr
| | which is slow recovery.
| |
| | *** 250mb delete off Iomega zip, same problem, must wait for
recovery,
| | delete pixes using USB card reader removable drive, same thing.
| |
| | *** I don't copy/paste... I use **send-to** Iomega zip or In-CD,
that
| works,
| | no recovery required. Deleting for me is the p-i-t-a and I don't
move
| these
| | fldrs, they are all on my D partition, I just need to keep them
| back-up and
| | up-to-date!!
| |
| | Star.
| |
| | Thanks or Good Luck,
| | There may be humor in this post, and,
| | Naturally, you will not sue,
| | should things get worse after this,
| | PCR
| |
| | "Star" wrote in message
| | ...
| | | PCR Pro & All
| | | I do have IE-SP1 & ALL updates except KB891711 & I have this
| problem
| | to a
| | | *lesser* degree upon deleting lg. fldrs, it occurs whether I'm
| | **deleting
| | | from my hd or removable drives on my puter**.
| | |
| | | I have a faster puter, 2 GHz... and Explorer protests all the
| time,
| | appears
| | | Explorer can't recover and I followed PCR's link here. I
issue
| the
| | delete
| | | command, dialog command box opens and after the files are
deleted,
| | Windows
| | | hangs and the puter is unusable, initially... lock-up. I use
to do
| a
| | forced
| | | re-boot. I have learned to **WAIT** the puter needs several
| minutes
| | to
| | | recover. sometimes 3-5 mins. & I walk away. Come back, all is
| well
| | w/puter,
| | | recovery occurs!!
| | |
| | | I use to run Office 2000... someone mentioned the Media
Catalog.
| I
| | took my
| | | Media Catalog too from Windows\Application Data fldr created
by
| Office
| | 2000.
| | | I have more than 3000 graphic files in that fldr. I moved all
my
| audio
| | files
| | | out however to a new fldr & organized. I spent nearly 3 mos.
| | organizing the
| | | Media Catalog that is on my D partition. I do monthly double
| back-ups
| | to
| | | Iomega zip and writing to a my CD-RW and it takes me quite
| sometime,
| | | unfortunately because of Windows lengthy recovery after
deleting
| any
| | bulk
| | | fldrs.
| | |
| | | Been doing Windows since 3.1 & have audio, video, swf, PPT,
eml,
| | picture
| | | fldrs, avid digital camera user; htmls and the problem is a
| p-i-t-a.
| | I take
| | | no chances w/my stuff, anything new is saved to my D partition
and
| is
| | also
| | | saved to a work fldr on my desktop until my double back-ups
are
| | done... when
| | | I finally delete the files in the fldr on my desktop, Windows
| | **screams**!!
| | |
| | | Posting to support the documentation of this problem and poor
| recovery
| | of
| | | Windows. I'm not surprised, that MS knows... reporting has
| occured.
| | Just
| | | not enough reporting because it has not been fixed !!
| | |
| | | Star
| | |
| | |
| | | "PCR" wrote in message
| | | ...
| | | That site says...
| | | http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm
| | | ......Quote.................
| | | Specifically, the version of Windows Explorer that comes
with IE
| 6
| | | gobbles up all of a system's available memory resources
whenever
| the
| | | user deletes a large number of files or empties the recycle
bin.
| | These
| | | resources are never given back to the system and the
| repurcussions
| | | snowball, affecting the user's ability to open programs,
open
| files,
| | | manipulate files, and view web pages.
| | | ......EOQ...................
| | |
| | | It has the ring of truth, because, in my last test/two of
it,
| there
| | | actually was a resources error message involved near the end
of
| the
| | | delete. Yet, Resource Meter appeared to be unaware of it,
still
| | showing
| | | plenty.
| | |
| | | But I needed to delete .5 GB of folders full of folders &
files,
| | before
| | | the error will occur.
| | |
| | |
| | | --
| | | Thanks or Good Luck,
| | | There may be humor in this post, and,
| | | Naturally, you will not sue,
| | | should things get worse after this,
| | | PCR
| | |
| | | "Rick Chauvin" wrote in message
| | | ...
| | | | PA Bear wrote:
| | | |
| | | | Who's Robert?
| | | |
| | | | I meant Robear ...meant no harm.
| | | |
| | | | I continue to disagree with you and ChrisQ about the
| problem.
| | While
| | | it may
| | | | be machine-related, I don't believe it's related to any
| | particular
| | | Windows
| | | | Update or IE6 SP1. If it were, we'd see many more Win98
| users
| | with
| | | the
| | | | problem.
| | | |
| | | | Okay that's fine you can disagree all you want.
| | | |
| | | | The fact is I can personally vouch for the facts that I
have
| two
| | | different
| | | | boxes in front of me right now that have the problem which
| started
| | | happening
| | | | with the first release of IE6 and absolutely the exact
same
| | problem is
| | | still
| | | | there when IE6SP1 including with Any subsequent updates
| installed
| | | after SP1
| | | | came out.
| | | |
| | | | If anyone who is in charge wants to work with me on the
| problem to
| | get
| | | | information fine, I have the goods. I do not deal with
| hearsay.
| | | |
| | | | Rick
| | | |
| | | |
| | | | ...The issue that the link
| | | | http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm
speaks
| about
| | was
| | | never
| | | | fixed and I can guarantee it's 100% immutable that the
| problem
| | does
| | | exist
| | | | for W98x.
| | | |
| | | | Have all of those suffering from this problem installed
IE6
| SP1
| | and
| | | | further, post-SP1 updates? They have been /the/ fix for
the
| | vast
| | | majority
| | | | of Win98 users.
| | | | --
| | | | ~PA Bear
| | | |
| | | | Rick Chauvin wrote:
| | | | PA Bear wrote:
| | | | X-Posting to Win95 and WinME NGs eliminated.
| | | |
| | | | Rick, I don't think MS05-002/KB891711 has anything to
do
| with
| | the
| | | issue
| | | | about which you post.
| | | |
| | | | Hi Robert,
| | | | You have totally misunderstood my post. I'm sorry you
did.
| | | | Of course we all knowMS05-002/KB891711 has nothing to
do
| with
| | the
| | | link I
| | | | gave.
http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm
| | | |
| | | | As I said I took this extra opportunity to tag onto
Jerry
| | Bryant
| | | MCSE,
| | | | MCDBA post to express to the MS coders about another
| important
| | | issue that
| | | | is of great importance for 9x to get fixed - besides
what
| the
| | OP is
| | | about.
| | | | I apologize for tagging onto it, but felt it was
important
| | enough.
| | | |
| | | | (As you know, my position is that IE6 with SP1
installed
| has
| | | | fixed your issue for the vast majority of Win98
users.)
| | | |
| | | | Again here too Robert I have no idea what you are
referring
| to,
| | but
| | | surely
| | | | you are mistaken here of what we are talking about
which
| has
| | been
| | | well
| | | | confirmed in this 9x newsgroup a hundred times over the
| last 2
| | | years;
| | | | thousands of times elsewhere. The issue that the link
| | | | http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm
speaks
| about
| | was
| | | never
| | | | fixed and I can guarantee it's 100% immutable that the
| problem
| | does
| | | exist
| | | | for W98x. I would of not stuck my neck out to make my
post
| if
| | it
| | | wasn't.
| | | | I guess you don't know me.
| | | |
| | | | The problem is old news but for heavens sake Robert
earlier
| | just
| | | today
| | | | even your own Extremely capable MVP Chris Quirke
(cquirke)
| is
| | | onboard
| | | | with this issue and actually uses 9x to know. Listen
up:
| | | |
| | | |
| | | | Rick
| | | |
| | | |
| | | | --
| | | | ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
| | | | MS MVP-Windows (Shell, IE/OE) & Security
| | | |
| | | | Mastering Newsgroups in Outlook Express
| | | |
| | |
| |
|
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/...ewsgroups.mspx
| | | |
| | | | Rick Chauvin wrote:
| | | | Jerry Bryant,
| | | |
| | | | I do appreciate MS re-working this 891711 issue.
Thank
| you
| | to
| | | MS.
| | | |
| | | | Let me take this opportunity to ask you to pass
this
| along
| | as
| | | well in
| | | | high hopes this problem will be addressed once and
for
| all.
| | | It's a
| | | | big problem for 9x users and I can't imagine it's
| anything
| | but
| | | | embarrassing for MS to leave this bug the way it
is. We
| | even
| | | have
| | | | people making webpages talking about and trying to
help
| | people
| | | get
| | | | around the problem.
| | | | Please show this link to whomever is in charge as
it
| | outlines
| | | the
| | | | problem I'm speaking of pretty well, which has been
| talked
| | | about in
| | | | the 9x group for 2 years now, and so please ask
them to
| | finally
| | | fix
| | | | what the problem is, please, thank you.
| | | |
| | | | http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm
| | | |
| | | | Rick
| | | |
| | | |
| | | | Jerry Bryant [MSFT] wrote:
| | | | Microsoft has received reports about issues with
| KB891711
| | on
| | | | Windows 98, Windows 98 SE and Windows ME. At
this
| point,
| | we
| | | have
| | | | been able to confirm these reports and are
currently
| | working
| | | on a
| | | | resolution.
| | | |
| | | | Please note that by uninstalling the current
update,
| the
| | | machine
| | | | will return to a vulnerable state. At this
point, we
| are
| | | currently
| | | | not aware of customer's being exploited by way of
the
| | | vulnerability
| | | | fixed in MS05-002 on Windows 98, Windows 98 SE
and
| | Windows
| | | ME. If
| | | | you need additional assistance regarding this
update,
| | please
| | | | contact +1 (866) PCSAFETY. When calling, please
| indicate
| | that
| | | you
| | | | are having issues with a security update. --
| | | | Regards,
| | | |
| | | | Jerry Bryant - MCSE, MCDBA
| | | | Microsoft IT Communities
| | | |
| | | | Get Secure! www.microsoft.com/security
| | | |
| | | |
| | | | This posting is provided "AS IS" with no
warranties,
| and
| | | confers no
| | | | rights.
| | | |
| | | |
| | | |
| | | |
| | | |
| | |
| | |
| | |
| | |
| |
| |
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|
|

I am holding my breath for 10 seconds at a time every ten hours, owing
to the rare yet encouraging hit & run visit of MSFT personage... uh,
Bryant, it was... over Kb891711. After all, there was a song a while
back about lightning striking twice, &, now, cquirke has made it plain
to MS there are many affected.

Yikes, JAVA_BYTEVER.B! Sounds like Pc-cillin did a fine job, I'm glad to
hear. I've never been told by McAfee that a virus tried to infect me. I
know McAfee works, because it passes all four of those Eicar tests...
http://www.eicar.org/anti_virus_test_file.htm
Of course, I'm not a traveling man. But certainly a ton of junk has come
into my Inbox, which, actually I rarely open, but just delete.

I'm ALMOST tempted to ask you what the site was that had the thing. If
ever you decide to post it on your own, be sure to muss it so it won't
work w/o fiddling. I'm not asking, though!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Star" wrote in message
...
| Hi-ya PCR Pro,
| Yeah.... I won't hold my breath for a fix though!!
| I do watch this thread!!
| Had a potential threat to my puter... rec'd a virus threat... a virus
laden
| java jar.
| Was out doing a Google search, trying to help my sister, did a search
on
| Common Hijacker, opened a page and zap. Pc-cillin opened and halted
all
| Internet traffic, took 4 attempts before successful quarantine
occured.
| The virus was..... JAVA_BYTEVER.B
| After, Trend Micro pg. for this virus opened and I read about the
virus and
| was taken to Microsoft Security Bulletin MS03-011, the virus exploits
a
| problem w/Microsoft VM, next I went to Windows Update and viewed my
| installation history to make sure I had the patch for the fix to VM, I
was
| good.
| I was SAVED, but I'm now hardly using IE, thinking about downloading
| Firefox. Have you downloaded Firefox ???
|
| Star
|
| "PCR" wrote in message
| ...
| Well, the current outcome is...
| http://cquirke.mvps.org/bexp1.htm
|
| Cquirke has created a page for it on his site & has promised to
direct
| MS to view it, uh, thrice a day for the next three years & three
days.
| Have you seen it?
|
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| should things get worse after this,
| PCR
|
| "Star" wrote in message
| ...
| | Yes, I can tarry on, my puter will recover *completely* but takes
some
| time,
| | and it is locked.... I see remnants of the progress bar, can't
close
| | windows, start button no response, etc...
| |
| | I *can continue* like nothing ever happened, ... all is fine until
I
| do
| | another large delete.
| |
| | After recovery, I can delete a single or multiple files, no
| problems... no
| | delays, but mine seems to a lesser degree, ***however, note, I
walk
| away for
| | 3-5 mins. AND the puter has recovered w/no further help on my
| part***!!
| |
| | Did I answer what you asked, your post was confusing, PCR ???
| |
| | Star
| |
| | "PCR" wrote in message
| | ...
| | Yes, I see it, & here it is...
| |
| | Now/then the same happens to the best of us, & we probably
caught
| that
| | missing-post disease from Brian A!
| |
| | | *** Fldrs w/3000 files, slow recovery. Media Catalog has over
50
| | fldrs. &
| | | over 3000 files.
| |
| | I guess that qualifies, for the problem to show up by the number
of
| | directories involved. Does it ever show up ==in the first
place==
| from
| | deleting just a single huge file, NOT that I want you to try? I
| know,
| | once it is triggered by deleting a folder full, then deleting a
| single
| | file will have the delays.
| |
| |
| | --
| | Thanks or Good Luck,
| | There may be humor in this post, and,
| | Naturally, you will not sue,
| | should things get worse after this,
| | PCR
| |
| | "Star" wrote in message
| | ...
| | | PCR,
| | | I saw Glee's post and he has reproduced it. I posted a
response,
| he's
| | | *right-on*, however, I don't see my post on my puter... this
is
| what I
| | | posted....
| | |
| | | Yes Glee,
| | | Your description is *right-on*, progress bar moves along and
then
| | zap... I
| | | posted earlier. I use to re-boot, but like I mentioned in my
| post....
| | now,
| | | I let it be and walk away. I come back in 3-5 mins. and my
puter
| will
| | | recover and all is well again. Mine unlocks, progress bar
| remnants
| | remove
| | | themselves and I can tarry on.
| | | Star
| | |
| | | Do you see the above post on your puter ?? Let me know,
didn't
| post
| | that I
| | | can see and don't want to duplicate.
| | |
| | | See below....
| | |
| | | "PCR" wrote in message
| | | ...
| | | Absolutely, it has not been fixed! PA Bear has been in
| hibernation
| | too
| | | long, I think! Looks like it's more disturbing to you &
others
| who
| | | actually do have a large number of large files to
move/delete.
| But,
| | stay
| | | tuned. Who knows? Maybe cquirke will light a fire under MS's
| butt!
| | |
| | | | hangs and the puter is unusable, initially... lock-up. I
use
| to do
| | a
| | | forced
| | | | re-boot. I have learned to **WAIT** the puter needs
several
| | minutes
| | | to
| | | | recover. sometimes 3-5 mins. & I walk away. Come back,
all is
| | well
| | | w/puter,
| | | | recovery occurs!!
| | |
| | | Well, has no one gotten that "Low resources, close some
apps"
| | message
| | | but me? (Well, even I didn't always get it.) Anyway, that's
| | interesting.
| | | After it has recovered, can you then Delete or Move small
files
| at
| | will,
| | | or will they also cause the delay? How big are the graphic
| files, &
| | how
| | | many do you have to Delete for the problem to first show up?
| | |
| | | *** Fldrs w/3000 files, slow recovery. Media Catalog has over
50
| | fldrs. &
| | | over 3000 files. I have bigger folders, all **My Old My
Documents
| | fldrs,
| | | from past installs using various OS's, average 200 - 400 mb.**
I
| | don't move
| | | large bulk fldrs too ofter, but delete them from zip drive and
| work
| | fldr. on
| | | my desktop. After, I do back-up, I delete all the files in my
| work
| | fldr
| | | which is slow recovery.
| | |
| | | *** 250mb delete off Iomega zip, same problem, must wait for
| recovery,
| | | delete pixes using USB card reader removable drive, same
thing.
| | |
| | | *** I don't copy/paste... I use **send-to** Iomega zip or
In-CD,
| that
| | works,
| | | no recovery required. Deleting for me is the p-i-t-a and I
don't
| move
| | these
| | | fldrs, they are all on my D partition, I just need to keep
them
| | back-up and
| | | up-to-date!!
| | |
| | | Star.
| | |
| | | Thanks or Good Luck,
| | | There may be humor in this post, and,
| | | Naturally, you will not sue,
| | | should things get worse after this,
| | | PCR
| | |
| | | "Star" wrote in message
| | | ...
| | | | PCR Pro & All
| | | | I do have IE-SP1 & ALL updates except KB891711 & I have
this
| | problem
| | | to a
| | | | *lesser* degree upon deleting lg. fldrs, it occurs whether
I'm
| | | **deleting
| | | | from my hd or removable drives on my puter**.
| | | |
| | | | I have a faster puter, 2 GHz... and Explorer protests all
the
| | time,
| | | appears
| | | | Explorer can't recover and I followed PCR's link here. I
| issue
| | the
| | | delete
| | | | command, dialog command box opens and after the files are
| deleted,
| | | Windows
| | | | hangs and the puter is unusable, initially... lock-up. I
use
| to do
| | a
| | | forced
| | | | re-boot. I have learned to **WAIT** the puter needs
several
| | minutes
| | | to
| | | | recover. sometimes 3-5 mins. & I walk away. Come back,
all is
| | well
| | | w/puter,
| | | | recovery occurs!!
| | | |
| | | | I use to run Office 2000... someone mentioned the Media
| Catalog.
| | I
| | | took my
| | | | Media Catalog too from Windows\Application Data fldr
created
| by
| | Office
| | | 2000.
| | | | I have more than 3000 graphic files in that fldr. I moved
all
| my
| | audio
| | | files
| | | | out however to a new fldr & organized. I spent nearly 3
mos.
| | | organizing the
| | | | Media Catalog that is on my D partition. I do monthly
double
| | back-ups
| | | to
| | | | Iomega zip and writing to a my CD-RW and it takes me quite
| | sometime,
| | | | unfortunately because of Windows lengthy recovery after
| deleting
| | any
| | | bulk
| | | | fldrs.
| | | |
| | | | Been doing Windows since 3.1 & have audio, video, swf,
PPT,
| eml,
| | | picture
| | | | fldrs, avid digital camera user; htmls and the problem is
a
| | p-i-t-a.
| | | I take
| | | | no chances w/my stuff, anything new is saved to my D
partition
| and
| | is
| | | also
| | | | saved to a work fldr on my desktop until my double
back-ups
| are
| | | done... when
| | | | I finally delete the files in the fldr on my desktop,
Windows
| | | **screams**!!
| | | |
| | | | Posting to support the documentation of this problem and
poor
| | recovery
| | | of
| | | | Windows. I'm not surprised, that MS knows... reporting has
| | occured.
| | | Just
| | | | not enough reporting because it has not been fixed !!
| | | |
| | | | Star
| | | |
| | | |
| | | | "PCR" wrote in message
| | | | ...
| | | | That site says...
| | | | http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm
| | | | ......Quote.................
| | | | Specifically, the version of Windows Explorer that comes
| with IE
| | 6
| | | | gobbles up all of a system's available memory resources
| whenever
| | the
| | | | user deletes a large number of files or empties the
recycle
| bin.
| | | These
| | | | resources are never given back to the system and the
| | repurcussions
| | | | snowball, affecting the user's ability to open programs,
| open
| | files,
| | | | manipulate files, and view web pages.
| | | | ......EOQ...................
| | | |
| | | | It has the ring of truth, because, in my last test/two
of
| it,
| | there
| | | | actually was a resources error message involved near the
end
| of
| | the
| | | | delete. Yet, Resource Meter appeared to be unaware of
it,
| still
| | | showing
| | | | plenty.
| | | |
| | | | But I needed to delete .5 GB of folders full of folders
&
| files,
| | | before
| | | | the error will occur.
| | | |
| | | |
| | | | --
| | | | Thanks or Good Luck,
| | | | There may be humor in this post, and,
| | | | Naturally, you will not sue,
| | | | should things get worse after this,
| | | | PCR
| | | |
| | | | "Rick Chauvin" wrote in message
| | | | ...
| | | | | PA Bear wrote:
| | | | |
| | | | | Who's Robert?
| | | | |
| | | | | I meant Robear ...meant no harm.
| | | | |
| | | | | I continue to disagree with you and ChrisQ about the
| | problem.
| | | While
| | | | it may
| | | | | be machine-related, I don't believe it's related to
any
| | | particular
| | | | Windows
| | | | | Update or IE6 SP1. If it were, we'd see many more
Win98
| | users
| | | with
| | | | the
| | | | | problem.
| | | | |
| | | | | Okay that's fine you can disagree all you want.
| | | | |
| | | | | The fact is I can personally vouch for the facts that
I
| have
| | two
| | | | different
| | | | | boxes in front of me right now that have the problem
which
| | started
| | | | happening
| | | | | with the first release of IE6 and absolutely the exact
| same
| | | problem is
| | | | still
| | | | | there when IE6SP1 including with Any subsequent
updates
| | installed
| | | | after SP1
| | | | | came out.
| | | | |
| | | | | If anyone who is in charge wants to work with me on
the
| | problem to
| | | get
| | | | | information fine, I have the goods. I do not deal with
| | hearsay.
| | | | |
| | | | | Rick
| | | | |
| | | | |
| | | | | ...The issue that the link
| | | | | http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm
| speaks
| | about
| | | was
| | | | never
| | | | | fixed and I can guarantee it's 100% immutable that
the
| | problem
| | | does
| | | | exist
| | | | | for W98x.
| | | | |
| | | | | Have all of those suffering from this problem
installed
| IE6
| | SP1
| | | and
| | | | | further, post-SP1 updates? They have been /the/ fix
for
| the
| | | vast
| | | | majority
| | | | | of Win98 users.
| | | | | --
| | | | | ~PA Bear
| | | | |
| | | | | Rick Chauvin wrote:
| | | | | PA Bear wrote:
| | | | | X-Posting to Win95 and WinME NGs eliminated.
| | | | |
| | | | | Rick, I don't think MS05-002/KB891711 has
anything to
| do
| | with
| | | the
| | | | issue
| | | | | about which you post.
| | | | |
| | | | | Hi Robert,
| | | | | You have totally misunderstood my post. I'm sorry
you
| did.
| | | | | Of course we all knowMS05-002/KB891711 has nothing
to
| do
| | with
| | | the
| | | | link I
| | | | | gave.
| http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm
| | | | |
| | | | | As I said I took this extra opportunity to tag onto
| Jerry
| | | Bryant
| | | | MCSE,
| | | | | MCDBA post to express to the MS coders about
another
| | important
| | | | issue that
| | | | | is of great importance for 9x to get fixed -
besides
| what
| | the
| | | OP is
| | | | about.
| | | | | I apologize for tagging onto it, but felt it was
| important
| | | enough.
| | | | |
| | | | | (As you know, my position is that IE6 with SP1
| installed
| | has
| | | | | fixed your issue for the vast majority of Win98
| users.)
| | | | |
| | | | | Again here too Robert I have no idea what you are
| referring
| | to,
| | | but
| | | | surely
| | | | | you are mistaken here of what we are talking about
| which
| | has
| | | been
| | | | well
| | | | | confirmed in this 9x newsgroup a hundred times over
the
| | last 2
| | | | years;
| | | | | thousands of times elsewhere. The issue that the
link
| | | | | http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm
| speaks
| | about
| | | was
| | | | never
| | | | | fixed and I can guarantee it's 100% immutable that
the
| | problem
| | | does
| | | | exist
| | | | | for W98x. I would of not stuck my neck out to make
my
| post
| | if
| | | it
| | | | wasn't.
| | | | | I guess you don't know me.
| | | | |
| | | | | The problem is old news but for heavens sake Robert
| earlier
| | | just
| | | | today
| | | | | even your own Extremely capable MVP Chris Quirke
| (cquirke)
| | is
| | | | onboard
| | | | | with this issue and actually uses 9x to know.
Listen
| up:
| | | | |
| | | | |
| | | | | Rick
| | | | |
| | | | |
| | | | | --
| | | | | ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
| | | | | MS MVP-Windows (Shell, IE/OE) & Security
| | | | |
| | | | | Mastering Newsgroups in Outlook Express
| | | | |
| | | |
| | |
| |
|
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/...ewsgroups.mspx
| | | | |
| | | | | Rick Chauvin wrote:
| | | | | Jerry Bryant,
| | | | |
| | | | | I do appreciate MS re-working this 891711
issue.
| Thank
| | you
| | | to
| | | | MS.
| | | | |
| | | | | Let me take this opportunity to ask you to pass
| this
| | along
| | | as
| | | | well in
| | | | | high hopes this problem will be addressed once
and
| for
| | all.
| | | | It's a
| | | | | big problem for 9x users and I can't imagine
it's
| | anything
| | | but
| | | | | embarrassing for MS to leave this bug the way
it
| is. We
| | | even
| | | | have
| | | | | people making webpages talking about and trying
to
| help
| | | people
| | | | get
| | | | | around the problem.
| | | | | Please show this link to whomever is in charge
as
| it
| | | outlines
| | | | the
| | | | | problem I'm speaking of pretty well, which has
been
| | talked
| | | | about in
| | | | | the 9x group for 2 years now, and so please ask
| them to
| | | finally
| | | | fix
| | | | | what the problem is, please, thank you.
| | | | |
| | | | |
http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm
| | | | |
| | | | | Rick
| | | | |
| | | | |
| | | | | Jerry Bryant [MSFT] wrote:
| | | | | Microsoft has received reports about issues
with
| | KB891711
| | | on
| | | | | Windows 98, Windows 98 SE and Windows ME. At
| this
| | point,
| | | we
| | | | have
| | | | | been able to confirm these reports and are
| currently
| | | working
| | | | on a
| | | | | resolution.
| | | | |
| | | | | Please note that by uninstalling the current
| update,
| | the
| | | | machine
| | | | | will return to a vulnerable state. At this
| point, we
| | are
| | | | currently
| | | | | not aware of customer's being exploited by
way of
| the
| | | | vulnerability
| | | | | fixed in MS05-002 on Windows 98, Windows 98
SE
| and
| | | Windows
| | | | ME. If
| | | | | you need additional assistance regarding this
| update,
| | | please
| | | | | contact +1 (866) PCSAFETY. When calling,
please
| | indicate
| | | that
| | | | you
| | | | | are having issues with a security update. --
| | | | | Regards,
| | | | |
| | | | | Jerry Bryant - MCSE, MCDBA
| | | | | Microsoft IT Communities
| | | | |
| | | | | Get Secure! www.microsoft.com/security
| | | | |
| | | | |
| | | | | This posting is provided "AS IS" with no
| warranties,
| | and
| | | | confers no
| | | | | rights.
| | | | |
| | | | |
| | | | |
| | | | |
| | | | |
| | | |
| | | |
| | | |
| | | |
| | |
| | |
| | |
| | |
| | |
| |
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
|
|