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Old January 15th 11, 03:33 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
DJW
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Default How can I fix Explorer crashing before things even get going?

I run Teatimer part of Spybot that manually asks me if I want to make
what I think are registry changes. I was trying to make my computer
more secure from some guests that I was going to let use my computer
running windows 98SE. I removed my password from my AOL dialup
connection and passwords on both fFirefox and MS Internet Explorer at
hotmail’s login to my mailbox. Teatimer asked if I wanted to make the
change(s?) and I was not thinking and said no. Since it was me making
the changes I should not have done my usually no answer when it
happens out of the blue that it says something or someone is trying to
make a change while online. I restarted the computer only to find that
it boots all the way to my desktop background photo and then I get an
error box.
The error box is titled Explorer … this program has performed an
illegal operation and will be shut down
If this problem persists, contact the program vendor. If I click close
I get a moveable arrow cursor but nothing else happens. If I click on
details in the error box it says:
Explorer caused an invalid page fault in module Explorer.exe at
0167:00401f31.
Registers:
Yada yada yada (if it will help I will add all the information it says
but it is a paragraph’s worth.
The change that Teatimer wanted to ok to make I am not sure of when
one talks about registries is it involve one or more of the three
files the User.dat, System.dat and Policy.pol. with the problem most
likely in User.dat?
If I boot into save mode the same thing happens I get to the desktop
with no icons and the error box comes up.
Please help how can I get past this problem without reinstalling the
OS?
  #2  
Old January 15th 11, 03:58 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Bill in Co
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Posts: 701
Default How can I fix Explorer crashing before things even get going?

DJW wrote:
I run Teatimer part of Spybot that manually asks me if I want to make
what I think are registry changes. I was trying to make my computer
more secure from some guests that I was going to let use my computer
running windows 98SE. I removed my password from my AOL dialup
connection and passwords on both fFirefox and MS Internet Explorer at
hotmail's login to my mailbox. Teatimer asked if I wanted to make the
change(s?) and I was not thinking and said no. Since it was me making
the changes I should not have done my usually no answer when it
happens out of the blue that it says something or someone is trying to
make a change while online. I restarted the computer only to find that
it boots all the way to my desktop background photo and then I get an
error box.
The error box is titled Explorer . this program has performed an
illegal operation and will be shut down
If this problem persists, contact the program vendor. If I click close
I get a moveable arrow cursor but nothing else happens. If I click on
details in the error box it says:
Explorer caused an invalid page fault in module Explorer.exe at
0167:00401f31.
Registers:
Yada yada yada (if it will help I will add all the information it says
but it is a paragraph's worth.
The change that Teatimer wanted to ok to make I am not sure of when
one talks about registries is it involve one or more of the three
files the User.dat, System.dat and Policy.pol. with the problem most
likely in User.dat?
If I boot into save mode the same thing happens I get to the desktop
with no icons and the error box comes up.
Please help how can I get past this problem without reinstalling the
OS?


Can you boot into DOS mode (true DOS) and run "scanreg /restore" at the DOS
prompt to restore a good previous backup? The main point being, you'd
need a clean registry cab file that predates this incident. Of course, if
it's been a week, it's probably even too late for that. Also keep in mind
that if you do this, it will remove another old registry backup, so you'd
better save some copies elsewhere beforehand.


  #3  
Old January 15th 11, 05:42 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
DJW
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Posts: 86
Default How can I fix Explorer crashing before things even get going?

On Jan 14, 8:58*pm, "Bill in Co"
wrote:
DJW wrote:
I run Teatimer part of Spybot that manually asks me if I want to make
what I think are registry changes. I was trying to make my computer
more secure from some guests that I was going to let use my computer
running windows 98SE. I removed my password from my AOL dialup
connection and *passwords on both fFirefox and MS Internet Explorer at
hotmail's login to my mailbox. Teatimer asked if I wanted to make the
change(s?) and I was not thinking and said no. Since it was me making
the changes I should not have done my usually no answer when it
happens out of the blue that it says something or someone is trying to
make a change while online. I restarted the computer only to find that
it boots all the way to my desktop background photo and then I get an
error box.
The error box is titled Explorer . this program has performed an
illegal operation and will be shut down
If this problem persists, contact the program vendor. If I click close
I get a moveable arrow cursor but nothing else happens. If I click on
details in the error box it says:
Explorer caused an invalid page fault in module Explorer.exe at
0167:00401f31.
Registers:
Yada yada yada (if it will help I will add all the information it says
but it is a paragraph's worth.
The change that Teatimer wanted to ok to make I am not sure of when
one talks about registries is it involve one or more of the three
files the User.dat, System.dat and Policy.pol. with the problem most
likely in User.dat?
If I boot into save mode the same thing happens I get to the desktop
with no icons and the error box comes up.
Please help how can I get past this problem without reinstalling the
OS?


Can you boot into DOS mode (true DOS) and run "scanreg /restore" at the DOS
prompt to restore a good previous backup? * * The main point being, you'd
need a clean registry cab file that predates this incident. *Of course, if
it's been a week, it's probably even too late for that. * Also keep in mind
that if you do this, it will remove another old registry backup, so you'd
better save some copies elsewhere beforehand.


Yes I can boot into dos using a 98SE startup floppy disk. Is that what
you mean. or do you mean to be able to boot DOS from the hard drive
which I have not tried. not sure how I can get a shutdown/restart box.
Been turning it off with control, alt, delete and then choosing
shutdown in the force exit app. box.
And I have restarted a ton of times trying to work out the problem.
This happened a month ago so have been using a laptop instead as my
primary computer so the date on the files would be old that I would
need to restore too. Each time I boot does it save a copy at shutdown?
And if I never boot successfully does it still save one and that
replaces the previously saved one? Not sure how it all works.
  #4  
Old January 15th 11, 10:38 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Bill in Co
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Posts: 701
Default How can I fix Explorer crashing before things even get going?

DJW wrote:
On Jan 14, 8:58 pm, "Bill in Co"
wrote:
DJW wrote:
I run Teatimer part of Spybot that manually asks me if I want to make
what I think are registry changes. I was trying to make my computer
more secure from some guests that I was going to let use my computer
running windows 98SE. I removed my password from my AOL dialup
connection and passwords on both fFirefox and MS Internet Explorer at
hotmail's login to my mailbox. Teatimer asked if I wanted to make the
change(s?) and I was not thinking and said no. Since it was me making
the changes I should not have done my usually no answer when it
happens out of the blue that it says something or someone is trying to
make a change while online. I restarted the computer only to find that
it boots all the way to my desktop background photo and then I get an
error box.
The error box is titled Explorer . this program has performed an
illegal operation and will be shut down
If this problem persists, contact the program vendor. If I click close
I get a moveable arrow cursor but nothing else happens. If I click on
details in the error box it says:
Explorer caused an invalid page fault in module Explorer.exe at
0167:00401f31.
Registers:
Yada yada yada (if it will help I will add all the information it says
but it is a paragraph's worth.
The change that Teatimer wanted to ok to make I am not sure of when
one talks about registries is it involve one or more of the three
files the User.dat, System.dat and Policy.pol. with the problem most
likely in User.dat?
If I boot into save mode the same thing happens I get to the desktop
with no icons and the error box comes up.
Please help how can I get past this problem without reinstalling the
OS?


Can you boot into DOS mode (true DOS) and run "scanreg /restore" at the
DOS
prompt to restore a good previous backup? The main point being, you'd
need a clean registry cab file that predates this incident. Of course, if
it's been a week, it's probably even too late for that. Also keep in mind
that if you do this, it will remove another old registry backup, so you'd
better save some copies elsewhere beforehand.


Yes I can boot into dos using a 98SE startup floppy disk. Is that what
you mean. or do you mean to be able to boot DOS from the hard drive
which I have not tried. not sure how I can get a shutdown/restart box.


Either way (assuming you could get to a shutdown box) - more below...

Been turning it off with control, alt, delete and then choosing
shutdown in the force exit app. box.
And I have restarted a ton of times trying to work out the problem.


If you did this over a period of several days (instead of just on one or two
days), you've probably lost the 5 daily registry backups already.

This happened a month ago so have been using a laptop instead as my
primary computer so the date on the files would be old that I would
need to restore too. Each time I boot does it save a copy at shutdown?


No. Not unless it's a new day too.

And if I never boot successfully does it still save one and that
replaces the previously saved one? Not sure how it all works.


Normally a new one is created each day (assuming you turn the computer off
each nite). If you leave it on, the next time it reboots and a new day has
passed, it will create a new one. However, it normally only makes 5
backups (to correspond to 5 days worth) and then starts deleting the oldest
backup, to make room for a newer one. You can probably find some articles
on "scanreg /restore" on the net that cover it more thoroughly than I am
here, but from what you've said, it sounds unlikely you'll still have those
registry backups predating when this happened.


  #5  
Old January 16th 11, 06:09 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
DJW
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Posts: 86
Default How can I fix Explorer crashing before things even get going?

On Jan 15, 3:38*pm, "Bill in Co"
wrote:
DJW wrote:
On Jan 14, 8:58 pm, "Bill in Co"
wrote:
DJW wrote:
I run Teatimer part of Spybot that manually asks me if I want to make
what I think are registry changes. I was trying to make my computer
more secure from some guests that I was going to let use my computer
running windows 98SE. I removed my password from my AOL dialup
connection and passwords on both fFirefox and MS Internet Explorer at
hotmail's login to my mailbox. Teatimer asked if I wanted to make the
change(s?) and I was not thinking and said no. Since it was me making
the changes I should not have done my usually no answer when it
happens out of the blue that it says something or someone is trying to
make a change while online. I restarted the computer only to find that
it boots all the way to my desktop background photo and then I get an
error box.
The error box is titled Explorer . this program has performed an
illegal operation and will be shut down
If this problem persists, contact the program vendor. If I click close
I get a moveable arrow cursor but nothing else happens. If I click on
details in the error box it says:
Explorer caused an invalid page fault in module Explorer.exe at
0167:00401f31.
Registers:
Yada yada yada (if it will help I will add all the information it says
but it is a paragraph's worth.
The change that Teatimer wanted to ok to make I am not sure of when
one talks about registries is it involve one or more of the three
files the User.dat, System.dat and Policy.pol. with the problem most
likely in User.dat?
If I boot into save mode the same thing happens I get to the desktop
with no icons and the error box comes up.
Please help how can I get past this problem without reinstalling the
OS?


Can you boot into DOS mode (true DOS) and run "scanreg /restore" at the
DOS
prompt to restore a good previous backup? The main point being, you'd
need a clean registry cab file that predates this incident. Of course, if
it's been a week, it's probably even too late for that. Also keep in mind
that if you do this, it will remove another old registry backup, so you'd
better save some copies elsewhere beforehand.


Yes I can boot into dos using a 98SE startup floppy disk. Is that what
you mean. or do you mean to be able to boot DOS from the hard drive
which I have not tried. not sure how I can get a shutdown/restart box.


Either way (assuming you could get to a shutdown box) - more below...

Been turning it off with control, alt, delete and then choosing
shutdown in the force exit app. box.
And I have restarted a ton of times trying to work out the problem.


If you did this over a period of several days (instead of just on one or two
days), you've probably lost the 5 daily registry backups already.

This happened a month ago so have been using a laptop instead as my
primary computer so the date on the files would be old that I would
need to restore too. Each time I boot does it save a copy at shutdown?


No. * *Not unless it's a new day too.

And if I never boot successfully does it still save one and that
replaces the previously saved one? Not sure how it all works.


Normally a new one is created each day (assuming you turn the computer off
each nite). * If you leave it on, the next time it reboots and a new day has
passed, it will create a new one. * However, it normally only makes 5
backups (to correspond to 5 days worth) and then starts deleting the oldest
backup, to make room for a newer one. *You can probably find some articles
on "scanreg /restore" on the net that cover it more thoroughly than I am
here, but from what you've said, it sounds unlikely you'll still have those
registry backups predating when this happened.


I goggled it and it worked!
Thank you very much for your help!!!! Wish I ‘d know about it a month
or more ago. Was so simple to do. I wonder what other things are
available for OS management hidden within MS DOS and windows 98SE.
  #6  
Old January 17th 11, 02:10 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Bill in Co
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Posts: 701
Default How can I fix Explorer crashing before things even get going?

DJW wrote:
On Jan 15, 3:38 pm, "Bill in Co"
wrote:
DJW wrote:
On Jan 14, 8:58 pm, "Bill in Co"
wrote:
DJW wrote:
I run Teatimer part of Spybot that manually asks me if I want to make
what I think are registry changes. I was trying to make my computer
more secure from some guests that I was going to let use my computer
running windows 98SE. I removed my password from my AOL dialup
connection and passwords on both fFirefox and MS Internet Explorer at
hotmail's login to my mailbox. Teatimer asked if I wanted to make the
change(s?) and I was not thinking and said no. Since it was me making
the changes I should not have done my usually no answer when it
happens out of the blue that it says something or someone is trying to
make a change while online. I restarted the computer only to find that
it boots all the way to my desktop background photo and then I get an
error box.
The error box is titled Explorer . this program has performed an
illegal operation and will be shut down
If this problem persists, contact the program vendor. If I click close
I get a moveable arrow cursor but nothing else happens. If I click on
details in the error box it says:
Explorer caused an invalid page fault in module Explorer.exe at
0167:00401f31.
Registers:
Yada yada yada (if it will help I will add all the information it says
but it is a paragraph's worth.
The change that Teatimer wanted to ok to make I am not sure of when
one talks about registries is it involve one or more of the three
files the User.dat, System.dat and Policy.pol. with the problem most
likely in User.dat?
If I boot into save mode the same thing happens I get to the desktop
with no icons and the error box comes up.
Please help how can I get past this problem without reinstalling the
OS?


Can you boot into DOS mode (true DOS) and run "scanreg /restore" at the
DOS
prompt to restore a good previous backup? The main point being, you'd
need a clean registry cab file that predates this incident. Of course,
if
it's been a week, it's probably even too late for that. Also keep in
mind
that if you do this, it will remove another old registry backup, so
you'd
better save some copies elsewhere beforehand.


Yes I can boot into dos using a 98SE startup floppy disk. Is that what
you mean. or do you mean to be able to boot DOS from the hard drive
which I have not tried. not sure how I can get a shutdown/restart box.


Either way (assuming you could get to a shutdown box) - more below...

Been turning it off with control, alt, delete and then choosing
shutdown in the force exit app. box.
And I have restarted a ton of times trying to work out the problem.


If you did this over a period of several days (instead of just on one or
two
days), you've probably lost the 5 daily registry backups already.

This happened a month ago so have been using a laptop instead as my
primary computer so the date on the files would be old that I would
need to restore too. Each time I boot does it save a copy at shutdown?


No. Not unless it's a new day too.

And if I never boot successfully does it still save one and that
replaces the previously saved one? Not sure how it all works.


Normally a new one is created each day (assuming you turn the computer
off
each nite). If you leave it on, the next time it reboots and a new day
has
passed, it will create a new one. However, it normally only makes 5
backups (to correspond to 5 days worth) and then starts deleting the
oldest
backup, to make room for a newer one. You can probably find some articles
on "scanreg /restore" on the net that cover it more thoroughly than I am
here, but from what you've said, it sounds unlikely you'll still have
those
registry backups predating when this happened.


I goggled it and it worked!
Thank you very much for your help!!!! Wish I 'd know about it a month
or more ago. Was so simple to do. I wonder what other things are
available for OS management hidden within MS DOS and windows 98SE.


Glad to hear it worked! Evidently you did have some good old registry
backup file to use!

I think the "scanreg/ restore" feature is the best feature of Win98 for
getting out of a deep hole (and being able to boot into true DOS mode). You
just have to keep in mind its limitations, and the fact that it normally
only keeps 5 backups, corresponding to each day of the week (assuming you
turn off your computer each nite).

As for "OS management", in general, I'd just advise you to stay away from
using "registry cleaners", and instead rely on using the registry backups if
a problem develops, keeping in mind its limited time frame.


  #7  
Old January 30th 11, 02:15 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
webster72n
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"DJW" wrote in message
...

On Jan 15, 3:38 pm, "Bill in Co"
wrote:
DJW wrote:
On Jan 14, 8:58 pm, "Bill in Co"
wrote:
DJW wrote:
I run Teatimer part of Spybot that manually asks me if I want to make
what I think are registry changes. I was trying to make my computer
more secure from some guests that I was going to let use my computer
running windows 98SE. I removed my password from my AOL dialup
connection and passwords on both fFirefox and MS Internet Explorer at
hotmail's login to my mailbox. Teatimer asked if I wanted to make the
change(s?) and I was not thinking and said no. Since it was me making
the changes I should not have done my usually no answer when it
happens out of the blue that it says something or someone is trying to
make a change while online. I restarted the computer only to find that
it boots all the way to my desktop background photo and then I get an
error box.
The error box is titled Explorer . this program has performed an
illegal operation and will be shut down
If this problem persists, contact the program vendor. If I click close
I get a moveable arrow cursor but nothing else happens. If I click on
details in the error box it says:
Explorer caused an invalid page fault in module Explorer.exe at
0167:00401f31.
Registers:
Yada yada yada (if it will help I will add all the information it says
but it is a paragraph's worth.
The change that Teatimer wanted to ok to make I am not sure of when
one talks about registries is it involve one or more of the three
files the User.dat, System.dat and Policy.pol. with the problem most
likely in User.dat?
If I boot into save mode the same thing happens I get to the desktop
with no icons and the error box comes up.
Please help how can I get past this problem without reinstalling the
OS?


Can you boot into DOS mode (true DOS) and run "scanreg /restore" at the
DOS
prompt to restore a good previous backup? The main point being, you'd
need a clean registry cab file that predates this incident. Of course,
if
it's been a week, it's probably even too late for that. Also keep in
mind
that if you do this, it will remove another old registry backup, so
you'd
better save some copies elsewhere beforehand.


Yes I can boot into dos using a 98SE startup floppy disk. Is that what
you mean. or do you mean to be able to boot DOS from the hard drive
which I have not tried. not sure how I can get a shutdown/restart box.


Either way (assuming you could get to a shutdown box) - more below...

Been turning it off with control, alt, delete and then choosing
shutdown in the force exit app. box.
And I have restarted a ton of times trying to work out the problem.


If you did this over a period of several days (instead of just on one or
two
days), you've probably lost the 5 daily registry backups already.

This happened a month ago so have been using a laptop instead as my
primary computer so the date on the files would be old that I would
need to restore too. Each time I boot does it save a copy at shutdown?


No. Not unless it's a new day too.

And if I never boot successfully does it still save one and that
replaces the previously saved one? Not sure how it all works.


Normally a new one is created each day (assuming you turn the computer off
each nite). If you leave it on, the next time it reboots and a new day
has
passed, it will create a new one. However, it normally only makes 5
backups (to correspond to 5 days worth) and then starts deleting the
oldest
backup, to make room for a newer one. You can probably find some articles
on "scanreg /restore" on the net that cover it more thoroughly than I am
here, but from what you've said, it sounds unlikely you'll still have
those
registry backups predating when this happened.


I goggled it and it worked!
Thank you very much for your help!!!! Wish I ‘d know about it a month
or more ago. Was so simple to do. I wonder what other things are
available for OS management hidden within MS DOS and windows 98SE.

You may want to disable your TeaTimer in order to prevent this
from happening again.

Harry.

  #8  
Old January 30th 11, 08:31 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
J. P. Gilliver (John)
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Default How can I fix Explorer crashing before things even get going?

In message , webster72n
writes:
[]
I goggled it and it worked!
Thank you very much for your help!!!! Wish I ‘d know about it a month
or more ago. Was so simple to do. I wonder what other things are
available for OS management hidden within MS DOS and windows 98SE.

You may want to disable your TeaTimer in order to prevent this
from happening again.

Harry.


Or use ERU/ERD (which came with Windows 95 - not sure it's on a '98 CD),
which allows you to save a registry (and other files, about a dozen
altogether) to wherever you like, and it won't get overwritten - and
also saves (in the same place) a - DOS-runnable - utility that restores
them.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur". ("Anything is more impressive if
you say it in Latin")
 




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