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  #1  
Old March 12th 05, 10:03 PM
Dan
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Default What's the deal with MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) and Windows 98?

According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that has as of now
not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this critical update
because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to compromise
all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have not been
updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be a maximum of
3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is connected to the
Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running because I am
sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but this is a
temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while on-line. If
programs are not responding then discover why. People you need this CRITICAL
PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the patch because
of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet cable, USB cable
or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do not do this
and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for your system
to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although I know a lot
about security on computers and weak access points and could probably do it
without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with keeping the
U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try and get one
small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the terriorists and
finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can help you with
your computer problems. Have a nice day!

"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
:
: If you don't know what I'm talking about, look he
:
: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../MS05-002.mspx
:
: If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week)
: gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost
: certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the background.
: It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any such update
: or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of simply
: replacing an existing file).
:
: Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is critical
: for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply deactivating
: it (via msconfig).
:
: Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and KB891711.EXE?
:
: Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe mode to
: properly install it) ?
:
: Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
:
: Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???


  #2  
Old March 13th 05, 05:06 AM
Ivan Bútora
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Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to install it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these updates in general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on the other hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this patch is far greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in mind that there have been several updates this year considered "important" for Windows 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed out, the difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so significant in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably *is* vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure all the time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not having this one patch installed.

And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running WITHOUT anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I would run a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing found other than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is being aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet.

Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but what I do know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this manner, without informing the users of the potential caveats, and apparently without testing in dial-up systems, etc.



"Dan" wrote in message ...
According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that has as of now
not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this critical update
because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to compromise
all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have not been
updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be a maximum of
3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is connected to the
Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running because I am
sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but this is a
temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while on-line. If
programs are not responding then discover why. People you need this CRITICAL
PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the patch because
of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet cable, USB cable
or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do not do this
and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for your system
to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although I know a lot
about security on computers and weak access points and could probably do it
without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with keeping the
U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try and get one
small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the terriorists and
finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can help you with
your computer problems. Have a nice day!

"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
:
: If you don't know what I'm talking about, look he
:
: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../MS05-002.mspx
:
: If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week)
: gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost
: certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the background.
: It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any such update
: or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of simply
: replacing an existing file).
:
: Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is critical
: for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply deactivating
: it (via msconfig).
:
: Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and KB891711.EXE?
:
: Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe mode to
: properly install it) ?
:
: Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
:
: Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???


  #3  
Old March 13th 05, 05:17 AM
Ivan Bútora
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I meant since September 2003...

"Ivan Bútora" wrote in message ...
Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to install it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these updates in general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on the other hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this patch is far greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in mind that there have been several updates this year considered "important" for Windows 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed out, the difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so significant in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably *is* vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure all the time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not having this one patch installed.

And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running WITHOUT anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I would run a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing found other than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is being aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet.

Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but what I do know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this manner, without informing the users of the potential caveats, and apparently without testing in dial-up systems, etc.



"Dan" wrote in message ...
According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that has as of now
not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this critical update
because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to compromise
all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have not been
updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be a maximum of
3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is connected to the
Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running because I am
sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but this is a
temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while on-line. If
programs are not responding then discover why. People you need this CRITICAL
PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the patch because
of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet cable, USB cable
or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do not do this
and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for your system
to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although I know a lot
about security on computers and weak access points and could probably do it
without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with keeping the
U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try and get one
small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the terriorists and
finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can help you with
your computer problems. Have a nice day!

"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
:
: If you don't know what I'm talking about, look he
:
: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../MS05-002.mspx
:
: If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week)
: gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost
: certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the background.
: It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any such update
: or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of simply
: replacing an existing file).
:
: Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is critical
: for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply deactivating
: it (via msconfig).
:
: Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and KB891711.EXE?
:
: Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe mode to
: properly install it) ?
:
: Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
:
: Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???


  #4  
Old March 13th 05, 05:24 AM
SFB - KB3MM
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Whata's the downside of this update?

"Ivan Bútora" wrote in message
...
Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to install

it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these updates in
general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on the other
hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the
inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this patch is far
greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in mind that
there have been several updates this year considered "important" for Windows
98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed out, the
difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so significant
in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably *is*
vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure all the
time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not having this
one patch installed.

And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running WITHOUT

anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I would run
a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing found other
than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is being
aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet.

Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but what I do

know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this manner,
without informing the users of the potential caveats, and apparently without
testing in dial-up systems, etc.



"Dan" wrote in message

...
According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that has as

of now
not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this critical

update
because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to

compromise
all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have not

been
updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be a

maximum of
3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is connected to the
Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running because I

am
sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but this is

a
temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while on-line.

If
programs are not responding then discover why. People you need this

CRITICAL
PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the patch

because
of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet cable, USB

cable
or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do not do

this
and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for your

system
to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although I know a

lot
about security on computers and weak access points and could probably do

it
without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with keeping the
U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try and get

one
small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the

terriorists and
finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can help you

with
your computer problems. Have a nice day!

"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
:
: If you don't know what I'm talking about, look he
:
: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../MS05-002.mspx
:
: If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week)
: gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost
: certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the background.
: It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any such update
: or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of simply
: replacing an existing file).
:
: Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is critical
: for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply deactivating
: it (via msconfig).
:
: Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and KB891711.EXE?
:
: Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe mode to
: properly install it) ?
:
: Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
:
: Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???



  #5  
Old March 13th 05, 05:39 AM
John John
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SFB - KB3MM wrote:

Whata's the downside of this update?


Run's a service in the background. Or so I've heard.

John
  #6  
Old March 13th 05, 05:43 AM
Ivan Bútora
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Look through some of the recent threats in win98.gen_discussion...

"SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message ...
Whata's the downside of this update?

"Ivan Bútora" wrote in message
...
Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to install

it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these updates in
general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on the other
hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the
inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this patch is far
greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in mind that
there have been several updates this year considered "important" for Windows
98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed out, the
difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so significant
in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably *is*
vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure all the
time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not having this
one patch installed.

And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running WITHOUT

anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I would run
a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing found other
than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is being
aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet.

Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but what I do

know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this manner,
without informing the users of the potential caveats, and apparently without
testing in dial-up systems, etc.



"Dan" wrote in message

...
According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that has as

of now
not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this critical

update
because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to

compromise
all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have not

been
updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be a

maximum of
3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is connected to the
Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running because I

am
sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but this is

a
temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while on-line.

If
programs are not responding then discover why. People you need this

CRITICAL
PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the patch

because
of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet cable, USB

cable
or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do not do

this
and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for your

system
to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although I know a

lot
about security on computers and weak access points and could probably do

it
without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with keeping the
U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try and get

one
small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the

terriorists and
finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can help you

with
your computer problems. Have a nice day!

"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
:
: If you don't know what I'm talking about, look he
:
: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../MS05-002.mspx
:
: If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week)
: gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost
: certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the background.
: It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any such update
: or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of simply
: replacing an existing file).
:
: Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is critical
: for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply deactivating
: it (via msconfig).
:
: Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and KB891711.EXE?
:
: Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe mode to
: properly install it) ?
:
: Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
:
: Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???



  #7  
Old March 13th 05, 05:50 AM
Dan
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Sure Ivan, the patch was not released in the best manner by Microsoft but I
still give Microsoft credit for finally patching the vulnerability. If you
or anyone else want to leave your machine unpatched without this critical
update then don't come complaining to me later on if someone connects to your
computer and/or network because you were unpatched and makes all kinds of
changes. Remember, 98, 98SE and ME are in final support stage and last
support will be elimated on 9x machines after 30 June 2006. Sure on-line
articles and stuff will still be available but there will be no more critical
updates unless something radical changes at Microsoft. Remember, Microsoft
has insisted on choosing the NT line and I feel that decision is flawed and I
have tried to change them as best as I can but the hope for the future seems
to belong to Linux, Apple, Google, Mozilla and other open-source companies.
Have a nice night!

"Ivan Bútora" wrote in message
...
: Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to install it
on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these updates in
general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on the other
hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the
inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this patch is far
greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in mind that
there have been several updates this year considered "important" for Windows
98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed out, the
difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so significant
in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably *is*
vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure all the
time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not having this
one patch installed.
:
: And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running WITHOUT
anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I would run
a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing found other
than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is being
aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet.
:
: Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but what I do
know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this manner,
without informing the users of the potential caveats, and apparently without
testing in dial-up systems, etc.
:
:
:
: "Dan" wrote in message
...
: According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that has as of
now
: not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this critical
update
: because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to
compromise
: all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have not been
: updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be a
maximum of
: 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is connected to the
: Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running because I am
: sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but this is
a
: temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while on-line.
If
: programs are not responding then discover why. People you need this
CRITICAL
: PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the patch
because
: of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet cable, USB
cable
: or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do not do
this
: and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for your
system
: to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although I know a
lot
: about security on computers and weak access points and could probably do
it
: without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with keeping the
: U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try and get
one
: small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the terriorists
and
: finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can help you
with
: your computer problems. Have a nice day!
:
: "98 Guy" wrote in message ...
: :
: : If you don't know what I'm talking about, look he
: :
: : http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../MS05-002.mspx
: :
: : If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week)
: : gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost
: : certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the background.
: : It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any such update
: : or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of simply
: : replacing an existing file).
: :
: : Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is critical
: : for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply deactivating
: : it (via msconfig).
: :
: : Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and KB891711.EXE?
: :
: : Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe mode to
: : properly install it) ?
: :
: : Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
: :
: : Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???
:
:


  #8  
Old March 13th 05, 05:52 AM
Dan
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Read the discussion boards and you will see that it is causing havoc with
some user's machines and associated software and/or hardware. For some of
the users baddies are definately involved but definately not with all the
users.

"SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message
...
: Whata's the downside of this update?
:
: "Ivan Bútora" wrote in message
: ...
: Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to install
: it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these updates in
: general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on the other
: hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the
: inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this patch is far
: greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in mind
that
: there have been several updates this year considered "important" for
Windows
: 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed out, the
: difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so
significant
: in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably *is*
: vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure all the
: time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not having this
: one patch installed.
:
: And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running WITHOUT
: anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I would
run
: a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing found
other
: than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is being
: aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet.
:
: Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but what I do
: know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this manner,
: without informing the users of the potential caveats, and apparently
without
: testing in dial-up systems, etc.
:
:
:
: "Dan" wrote in message
: ...
: According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that has as
: of now
: not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this critical
: update
: because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to
: compromise
: all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have not
: been
: updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be a
: maximum of
: 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is connected to
the
: Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running because I
: am
: sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but this
is
: a
: temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while on-line.
: If
: programs are not responding then discover why. People you need this
: CRITICAL
: PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the patch
: because
: of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet cable, USB
: cable
: or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do not do
: this
: and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for your
: system
: to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although I know
a
: lot
: about security on computers and weak access points and could probably
do
: it
: without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with keeping
the
: U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try and
get
: one
: small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the
: terriorists and
: finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can help you
: with
: your computer problems. Have a nice day!
:
: "98 Guy" wrote in message
...
: :
: : If you don't know what I'm talking about, look he
: :
: : http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../MS05-002.mspx
: :
: : If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week)
: : gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost
: : certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the background.
: : It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any such
update
: : or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of simply
: : replacing an existing file).
: :
: : Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is critical
: : for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply
deactivating
: : it (via msconfig).
: :
: : Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and KB891711.EXE?
: :
: : Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe mode to
: : properly install it) ?
: :
: : Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
: :
: : Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???
:
:
:


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Old March 13th 05, 06:37 AM
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OK, Just looked with TaskInfo 2003:
KB891711.exe is indeed running and consuming 0.04% of the CPU.

It was started by MPREXE.EXE

It has 464 KB in memory with 0KB in use for data.

It has 488 KB in memory with 0KB in use for code.

"John John" wrote in message
...
SFB - KB3MM wrote:

Whata's the downside of this update?


Run's a service in the background. Or so I've heard.

John


  #10  
Old March 13th 05, 06:39 AM
SFB - KB3MM
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Apple is open source now? Hard to believe.

"Dan" wrote in message
...
Sure Ivan, the patch was not released in the best manner by Microsoft but

I
still give Microsoft credit for finally patching the vulnerability. If

you
or anyone else want to leave your machine unpatched without this critical
update then don't come complaining to me later on if someone connects to

your
computer and/or network because you were unpatched and makes all kinds of
changes. Remember, 98, 98SE and ME are in final support stage and last
support will be elimated on 9x machines after 30 June 2006. Sure on-line
articles and stuff will still be available but there will be no more

critical
updates unless something radical changes at Microsoft. Remember,

Microsoft
has insisted on choosing the NT line and I feel that decision is flawed

and I
have tried to change them as best as I can but the hope for the future

seems
to belong to Linux, Apple, Google, Mozilla and other open-source

companies.
Have a nice night!

"Ivan Bútora" wrote in message
...
: Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to install

it
on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these updates in
general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on the

other
hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the
inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this patch is far
greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in mind

that
there have been several updates this year considered "important" for

Windows
98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed out, the
difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so

significant
in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably *is*
vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure all the
time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not having

this
one patch installed.
:
: And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running WITHOUT
anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I would

run
a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing found

other
than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is being
aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet.
:
: Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but what I do
know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this manner,
without informing the users of the potential caveats, and apparently

without
testing in dial-up systems, etc.
:
:
:
: "Dan" wrote in message
...
: According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that has as

of
now
: not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this critical
update
: because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to
compromise
: all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have not

been
: updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be a
maximum of
: 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is connected to

the
: Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running because I

am
: sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but this

is
a
: temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while on-line.
If
: programs are not responding then discover why. People you need this
CRITICAL
: PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the patch
because
: of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet cable,

USB
cable
: or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do not do
this
: and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for your
system
: to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although I know

a
lot
: about security on computers and weak access points and could probably

do
it
: without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with keeping

the
: U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try and

get
one
: small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the

terriorists
and
: finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can help you
with
: your computer problems. Have a nice day!
:
: "98 Guy" wrote in message

...
: :
: : If you don't know what I'm talking about, look he
: :
: : http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../MS05-002.mspx
: :
: : If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week)
: : gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost
: : certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the

background.
: : It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any such

update
: : or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of simply
: : replacing an existing file).
: :
: : Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is critical
: : for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply

deactivating
: : it (via msconfig).
: :
: : Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and KB891711.EXE?
: :
: : Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe mode to
: : properly install it) ?
: :
: : Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
: :
: : Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???
:
:



 




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