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  #11  
Old May 9th 10, 12:14 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
Noel Paton[_3_]
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Default Update - Microsoft Responds to the Evolution of Community

"98 Guy" wrote in message ...


In the meantime, MS's closure of their servers may well precipitate
a domino effect on the leeches


It's funny that you call the rest of usenet "leeches".


MS has never declared its servers as being part of Usenet - it's simply
allowed Usenet to leech posts ( it reduces bandwidth, after all), and feed
responses to its own groups.
To be part of Usenet, it would have had to acknowledged the UseNet
protocols - which it never has done, AFAIK. It would also have needed to
host other groups, which it certainly never has done.

--
Noel Paton
CrashFixPC

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
www.crashfixpc.co.uk

  #12  
Old May 9th 10, 04:05 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
98 Guy
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Default Update - Microsoft Responds to the Evolution of Community

Noel Paton wrote:

It's funny that you call the rest of usenet "leeches".


MS has never declared its servers as being part of Usenet - it's
simply allowed Usenet to leech posts ( it reduces bandwidth, after
all), and feed responses to its own groups.


To be part of Usenet, it would have had to acknowledged the UseNet
protocols - which it never has done, AFAIK. It would also have
needed to host other groups, which it certainly never has done.


In order for posts made via the Microsoft servers to appear on other
news servers world-wide, Microsoft *must* arrange for peering with other
servers. If such an arrangement was not in place, then I would not be
able to see your post on the NNTP server I use (aioe.org).

And you would not be able to see my reply to you, the one you are
reading right now, unless the peering was bi-directional. And none of
this could happen unless microsoft operated their own NNTP server, that
fully impliments usenet NNTP message transport protocals. Further more,
you can use any newsreader to access microsoft's nntp server directly,
to read and post messages.

Finally, if these posts really are "leeched" into and out of microsoft's
servers, against microsoft's desire or intentions, then explain the
following:

-------------

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/p.../nwsgrppr.mspx

Microsoft PressPass - Microsoft Announces Internet Newsgroups For
Peer-to-Peer Discussions on Microsoft Products

REDMOND, Wash., April 9, 1996 Microsoft Corp. today announced the
addition of no-charge Microsoft-sponsored NNTP newsgroups on the
Internet to its family of Information Services offerings. This new
service boosts Microsoft's Internet presence and further addresses
customer demand for one-stop information and services over the Internet.

Microsoft is investing in the newsgroups to create a community in which
customers can share technical information about Microsoft products and
technologies. Microsoft Newsgroups are scheduled to be live and
accessible to customers on April 15, 1996, via the Support area of the
Microsoft World Wide Web site (http://www.microsoft.com/support/).

"Our goal is to provide accurate and timely information that is widely
available and affordable for our customers, and the Internet newsgroups
are one more way for us to meet this goal," said Linda Glenicki, general
manager of AnswerPoint at Microsoft. "Customer discussion groups provide
a rich source of technical information, and the increasing popularity of
the Internet allows us to provide access to this information to a very
broad set of customers."

Microsoft Newsgroups on the Internet will replace Microsoft-sponsored
forums on CompuServe as of April 20. CompuServe customers can easily
link to the Microsoft support Web site and the newsgroups from the
Microsoft Connection area on CompuServe. In addition, CompuServe will
offer third-party forums on Microsoft products.

Customers currently access the Microsoft Frequently Asked Questions,
Knowledge Base, and Software Library more than 850,000 times per week on
the Internet. The addition of Microsoft Newsgroups rounds out
Microsoft's Internet offerings by providing an interactive environment
for customers to send each other messages and responses about Microsoft
products. Customers need only an NNTP-compatible newsgroup reader and
Internet access to connect to Microsoft Newsgroups at no charge
(Internet connection charges apply).

Microsoft MVPs (most valuable professionals) will provide technical
answers and foster the growth of the online community. Microsoft will
stay involved in Microsoft Newsgroups, monitoring responses for accuracy
and assisting MVPs as needed. The MVP program recognizes Microsoft
customers who voluntarily assist others in customer-to-customer
discussion areas. Microsoft MVPs come from a wide range of backgrounds
and professions, yet they all share one key attribute: a willingness to
give time, expertise and advice to enhance other customers' technical
skills.

"Being an MVP is a natural extension of my desire to help others solve
their computing roadblocks," said Ross Pfaff, who was recognized as an
MVP in August 1995. "Whether it's a mission-critical situation or a
home-entertainment problem, assisting fellow computer users as an MVP
allows me to give back some of what I've been given: knowledge and
satisfaction." For more information on the MVP program or how to become
an MVP, please see the About Support area of the Microsoft World Wide
Web site (http://www.microsoft.com/supportnet/).

Founded in 1975, Microsoft (NASDAQ "MSFT" ) is the worldwide leader in
software for personal computers. The company offers a wide range of
products and services for business and personal use, each designed with
the mission of making it easier and more enjoyable for people to take
advantage of the full power of personal computing every day.

Microsoft is either a registered trademark or a trademark of Microsoft
Corp. in the United States and/or other countries.
  #13  
Old May 9th 10, 04:25 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
98 Guy
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Default Update - Microsoft Responds to the Evolution of Community

Noel Paton wrote:

It would also have needed to host other groups, which it certainly
never has done.


Actually, no.

This shows just how much you know about usenet.

Anyone operating a usenet server can choose which newsgroups he will
carry on his server. It's not uncommon for smaller operators to not
carry the binary groups, for example, because of the bandwidth those
groups consume, and the hard drive space needed for decent retention.

Microsoft logically chooses to carry only the microsoft.public hierarchy
of news groups on it's NNTP server(s).

I suggest you read the following before you embarrass yourself further:

http://www.microsoft.com/communities...sgroupfaq.mspx

You can access microsoft's nntp server by pointing your news reader to
msnews.microsoft.com (207.46.248.16).
  #14  
Old May 9th 10, 06:54 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
HRH The Example John Smith
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Default Update - Microsoft Responds to the Evolution of Community

My first ROFL reply didn't make it! Ironic, really, in so many ways. So I'll
just leave this one at 'ROFL!'


TGM


"Joan Archer" wrote in message
...
So that's why 98 Guy can't leave his newsgroup, hope he's got a big enough
hanky when the time comes and he loses it g

--
Joan Archer
http://crossstitcher.webs.com/

"HRH The Example John Smith" wrote in
message ...
I'm reading this in Win7, but running (not right this very instant)
Win2.03, WFW3.11, Win95a, Win98se, WinMe, Win2k, and XP three times
(having removed Win95b, NT3.51 and NT4.0 as surplus to requirements).
Also MS-DOS 5.00 and 6.22 (though haven't put 8.00 back...yet!) and
DR-DOS 7.03.

Basically I've set it up to demonstrate something of the evolution of the
PC OS since Windows for the technically-inquisitive newbie.

Users champion a particular Windows version because that was the one they
were using when it all fell into place for them and the low-level panic
in the background was finally overcome by the relief of understanding
what they were doing. And they resisted moving on, like when old age hits
and you turn Tory overnight in terror of the unpredicatable future.

Thus the 98 groups remain viable, because they have so many shrinking
violets still pretending to be engaged in something constructive as
opposed to the circle jerk it really is.

There is nothing particularly special about 98. Believe me.

Signed

Whoever I am this week.



  #15  
Old May 9th 10, 07:02 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
HRH The Example John Smith
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Default Update - Microsoft Responds to the Evolution of Community

I think you must mean 'pop toaster'. But really the correct term is 'pop
tart'.

"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
Full-quoter and top-poaster Joan Archer wrote:

So that's why 98 Guy can't leave his newsgroup, hope he's got a
big enough hanky when the time comes and he loses it g


I guess you don't realize that the microsoft.public set of newsgroups
will continue on the world-wide usenet - even after microsoft shuts down
it's NNTP server.


Which isn't quite the same as 'acid queen'. But then you never did acid, did
you.

Walter Konkrite

  #16  
Old May 9th 10, 09:55 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
Noel Paton[_3_]
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Default Update - Microsoft Responds to the Evolution of Community

"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
usual drivel

I suggest that you learn to read lawyerese, since you obviously have
problems with English
There is a world of difference between "made it available to anyone on the
Usenet." and actually being 'part of Usenet'.
Subtle - but definitely there (but then subtlety was never in your
vocabulary , was it?).


--
Noel Paton
CrashFixPC

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
www.crashfixpc.co.uk

  #17  
Old May 9th 10, 01:52 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
98 Guy
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Default Update - Microsoft Responds to the Evolution of Community

Noel Paton wrote:

I suggest that you learn to read lawyerese


I suggest you quote specific statements that I make and refute them
directly, instead of sweeping them under the carpet.

To be part of Usenet, it would have had to acknowledged the UseNet
protocols - which it never has done, AFAIK. It would also have
needed to host other groups, which it certainly never has done.


In order for posts made via the Microsoft servers to appear on other
news servers world-wide, Microsoft *must* arrange for peering with other
servers. If such an arrangement was not in place, then I would not be
able to see your post on the NNTP server I use (aioe.org).

And you would not be able to see my reply to you, the one you are
reading right now, unless the peering was bi-directional. And none of
this could happen unless microsoft operated their own NNTP server, that
fully impliments usenet NNTP message transport protocals. Further more,
you can use any newsreader to access microsoft's nntp server directly,
to read and post messages.

It would also have needed to host other groups, which it certainly
never has done.


Anyone operating a usenet server can choose which newsgroups he will
carry on his server. It's not uncommon for smaller operators to not
carry the binary groups, for example, because of the bandwidth those
groups consume, and the hard drive space needed for decent retention.
  #18  
Old May 9th 10, 04:05 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
Noel Paton[_3_]
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Posts: 229
Default Update - Microsoft Responds to the Evolution of Community

"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
Noel Paton wrote:

I suggest that you learn to read lawyerese


I suggest you quote specific statements that I make and refute them
directly, instead of sweeping them under the carpet.



- which is EXACTLY what you just did.

I only have so much breath to waste on morons - you just exhausted it for a
month or two.

--
Noel Paton
CrashFixPC

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
www.crashfixpc.co.uk

  #19  
Old May 9th 10, 11:10 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
Heather[_3_]
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Are you calling our Joanie a *tart*??? Gasp!!

Figgeroni

"HRH The Example John Smith" wrote in message
...
I think you must mean 'pop toaster'. But really the correct term is 'pop
tart'.

"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
Full-quoter and top-poaster Joan Archer wrote:

So that's why 98 Guy can't leave his newsgroup, hope he's got a
big enough hanky when the time comes and he loses it g


I guess you don't realize that the microsoft.public set of newsgroups
will continue on the world-wide usenet - even after microsoft shuts down
it's NNTP server.


Which isn't quite the same as 'acid queen'. But then you never did acid,
did you.

Walter Konkrite



  #20  
Old May 10th 10, 02:04 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
HRH The Example John Smith
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Default Update - Microsoft Responds to the Evolution of Community

You know what they say Figgs 'if the cap fits, pop it in the toaster and see
if it flys!'

"Heather" wrote in message
...
Are you calling our Joanie a *tart*??? Gasp!!

Figgeroni

"HRH The Example John Smith" wrote in
message ...
I think you must mean 'pop toaster'. But really the correct term is 'pop
tart'.

"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
Full-quoter and top-poaster Joan Archer wrote:

So that's why 98 Guy can't leave his newsgroup, hope he's got a
big enough hanky when the time comes and he loses it g

I guess you don't realize that the microsoft.public set of newsgroups
will continue on the world-wide usenet - even after microsoft shuts down
it's NNTP server.


Which isn't quite the same as 'acid queen'. But then you never did acid,
did you.

Walter Konkrite



 




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