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A Resource Hog.
Hello,
This is a question I have about my system as it presently stands. Unsure of what maybe relevant to the reader I offer this: I have an Intel Celeron II 633MHz CPU on an Asus P3V4X Motherboard (1 ISA, 6 PCI, 1 AGP, 4 DIMM). Chipset Via VT82C694X Apollo Pro 133A. RAM 384MB (SDRAM). 2 Local Disks. 14301MB (13GB Free) and 38129MB - DMA Enabled both. The latter partitioned C: 6GB (Windows)(3GB Free). D: 10GB (MT). E: 22GB (5GB Free). Before the purchase of software known as an audio file format batch converter this question did not arise. But since that purchase I realise I have a determined resource hog on my hands. Once it is up and running I am unable to use my computer for much other than the opening of folders. It is very sluggish. The program will relinquish few CPU resources. Yet my System Resources hover around 70% free This is not a question of viruses or malwares. Nor is it one of a computer already overburdened by running processes. And I am a maintenance freak. What, if anything, can I do to balance/limit the allocation of CPU Usage to this program, or alternatively replace/add system components to accomodate it. What elements comprise System Resources? Thank you. |
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Ben B had this to say: What, if anything, can I do to balance/limit the allocation of CPU Usage to this program, or alternatively replace/add system components to accomodate it. What elements comprise System Resources? In the past 25 years that I've been computing (my Dad was a geek and hence I started early) I've found that most people rant about CPU and clock cycles. Truth be told I've found greater performance lies more often in the RAM. It's my opinion (not fact by any means) that I've found that a 500 MHz PC w/512 MB of RAM will operate as well or better than a 800 MHz PC with 128 MB of RAM. I quote those numbers because those are actual system stats that I've had in the past and am able to comment on as a direct observer. A system as old as your computer means that you probably are using PC100 SDRAM and the price of this is dirt cheap. You have four slots, each will probably only support a 256 stick unfortunately, but you could consider buying some RAM if you're unable to purchase an entirely new computer at this time. Assuming that you already have a goodly amount in there (better than 64 MB would be nice to start with) I'd say trash all of them and go out and buy new sticks of a reputable brand. Make sure you get them from a dealer who's knowingly able to support that not all shipped RAM will work. Grab a free copy of a memory tester and test all the memory within your warranty period so that if it's faulty you can return it. Make sure that it's a tester that runs independant of the operating system. I try to avoid recommending specific brands of software but Google or MSN Search will certainly show you many sites that you can download this software at and places you can research before buying the RAM. Check your MOBO's stats. Maybe it will support PC133 SDRAM (which is a bit faster) and you'll be able to get that much better performance from your now dated computer. Several sites offer upgraded CPUs but, in my opinion, if you're going to update the CPU and the RAM you'd be better off heading to a generic indexing computer sales site and buying a whole new computer or a barebones system and getting a lot more bang for just a few bucks more. AMD prices are quite nice these days and the 64 bit archetecture has really proven itself in the field in my opinion. Alternatively wait for the prices on the P4s to drop and settle for a bit of sluggish behavior for the time being. Galen -- "My mind rebels at stagnation. Give me problems, give me work, give me the most abstruse cryptogram or the most intricate analysis, and I am in my own proper atmosphere. I can dispense then with artificial stimulants. But I abhor the dull routine of existence. I crave for mental exaltation." -- Sherlock Holmes |
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Hello Galen,
Thanks for the detailed response. Yes I have 384MB of PC100 SDRAM in two slots. I can't tell whether or not my mobo will support PC133 SDRAM from the stats obtained in Everest All the stas I found are mentioned in my first post. PC100 SDRAM is cheap you say. How much do you suggest I might add? Another 256MB in the third slot? Or two sticks of 128MB in slots 3 and 4? or 2 sticks of 256MB in slots 3 and 4? My other option is to buy a new computer or a barebones system. What is a barebones system, Galen? And how much RAM and what type should I be looking at? I am not into gaming so presumably a CPU of IGBHz would be OK? Thank, Galen. Ben. -----Original Message----- In , Ben B had this to say: What, if anything, can I do to balance/limit the allocation of CPU Usage to this program, or alternatively replace/add system components to accomodate it. What elements comprise System Resources? In the past 25 years that I've been computing (my Dad was a geek and hence I started early) I've found that most people rant about CPU and clock cycles. Truth be told I've found greater performance lies more often in the RAM. It's my opinion (not fact by any means) that I've found that a 500 MHz PC w/512 MB of RAM will operate as well or better than a 800 MHz PC with 128 MB of RAM. I quote those numbers because those are actual system stats that I've had in the past and am able to comment on as a direct observer. A system as old as your computer means that you probably are using PC100 SDRAM and the price of this is dirt cheap. You have four slots, each will probably only support a 256 stick unfortunately, but you could consider buying some RAM if you're unable to purchase an entirely new computer at this time. Assuming that you already have a goodly amount in there (better than 64 MB would be nice to start with) I'd say trash all of them and go out and buy new sticks of a reputable brand. Make sure you get them from a dealer who's knowingly able to support that not all shipped RAM will work. Grab a free copy of a memory tester and test all the memory within your warranty period so that if it's faulty you can return it. Make sure that it's a tester that runs independant of the operating system. I try to avoid recommending specific brands of software but Google or MSN Search will certainly show you many sites that you can download this software at and places you can research before buying the RAM. Check your MOBO's stats. Maybe it will support PC133 SDRAM (which is a bit faster) and you'll be able to get that much better performance from your now dated computer. Several sites offer upgraded CPUs but, in my opinion, if you're going to update the CPU and the RAM you'd be better off heading to a generic indexing computer sales site and buying a whole new computer or a barebones system and getting a lot more bang for just a few bucks more. AMD prices are quite nice these days and the 64 bit archetecture has really proven itself in the field in my opinion. Alternatively wait for the prices on the P4s to drop and settle for a bit of sluggish behavior for the time being. Galen -- "My mind rebels at stagnation. Give me problems, give me work, give me the most abstruse cryptogram or the most intricate analysis, and I am in my own proper atmosphere. I can dispense then with artificial stimulants. But I abhor the dull routine of existence. I crave for mental exaltation." -- Sherlock Holmes . |
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Ben
Notwithstanding Galen's comments - which are *very* valid!....... My recommendation when buying a new PC is "'Go for the 'best' you can afford" The definition of 'best' is very much in the eye of the beholder!!!! Your current system is admirably capable of running ME - but may experience problems with XP because of hardware incompatibilities. There is no doubt that if you're considering spending a fair amount of time online, then XP is the better system to go for - and is more usable with modern applications (many of which require XP as a baseline) Barebones systems frequently mean one thing to a user, and another to a supplier!! - In my own definition, it's the main Box of the system, without the Keyboard, mouse, and monitor - and should not include an Operating System. Some manufacturers include the OS, some don't include the case! Check the specifications carefully before you purchase. For your system running ME, I don't think there's much point in upgrading the RAM beyond where it is currently - it's likely to be OTT WRT actual usage, unless you're printing large graphics files, or editing graphics. Strangely, SDRAM PC100 is actually becoming MORE expensive again - presumably because less people are buying it, while even fewer are making it! For any new system, if you're going to run XP, then use at least 512MB RAM (of whatever kind the motherboard takes) - at least then you will be starting up on the right footing! For ME, then you can safely drop that to 256MB (or even further, to 128MB, if money is tight) -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Ben B" wrote in message ... Hello Galen, Thanks for the detailed response. Yes I have 384MB of PC100 SDRAM in two slots. I can't tell whether or not my mobo will support PC133 SDRAM from the stats obtained in Everest All the stas I found are mentioned in my first post. PC100 SDRAM is cheap you say. How much do you suggest I might add? Another 256MB in the third slot? Or two sticks of 128MB in slots 3 and 4? or 2 sticks of 256MB in slots 3 and 4? My other option is to buy a new computer or a barebones system. What is a barebones system, Galen? And how much RAM and what type should I be looking at? I am not into gaming so presumably a CPU of IGBHz would be OK? Thank, Galen. Ben. -----Original Message----- In , Ben B had this to say: What, if anything, can I do to balance/limit the allocation of CPU Usage to this program, or alternatively replace/add system components to accomodate it. What elements comprise System Resources? In the past 25 years that I've been computing (my Dad was a geek and hence I started early) I've found that most people rant about CPU and clock cycles. Truth be told I've found greater performance lies more often in the RAM. It's my opinion (not fact by any means) that I've found that a 500 MHz PC w/512 MB of RAM will operate as well or better than a 800 MHz PC with 128 MB of RAM. I quote those numbers because those are actual system stats that I've had in the past and am able to comment on as a direct observer. A system as old as your computer means that you probably are using PC100 SDRAM and the price of this is dirt cheap. You have four slots, each will probably only support a 256 stick unfortunately, but you could consider buying some RAM if you're unable to purchase an entirely new computer at this time. Assuming that you already have a goodly amount in there (better than 64 MB would be nice to start with) I'd say trash all of them and go out and buy new sticks of a reputable brand. Make sure you get them from a dealer who's knowingly able to support that not all shipped RAM will work. Grab a free copy of a memory tester and test all the memory within your warranty period so that if it's faulty you can return it. Make sure that it's a tester that runs independant of the operating system. I try to avoid recommending specific brands of software but Google or MSN Search will certainly show you many sites that you can download this software at and places you can research before buying the RAM. Check your MOBO's stats. Maybe it will support PC133 SDRAM (which is a bit faster) and you'll be able to get that much better performance from your now dated computer. Several sites offer upgraded CPUs but, in my opinion, if you're going to update the CPU and the RAM you'd be better off heading to a generic indexing computer sales site and buying a whole new computer or a barebones system and getting a lot more bang for just a few bucks more. AMD prices are quite nice these days and the 64 bit archetecture has really proven itself in the field in my opinion. Alternatively wait for the prices on the P4s to drop and settle for a bit of sluggish behavior for the time being. Galen -- "My mind rebels at stagnation. Give me problems, give me work, give me the most abstruse cryptogram or the most intricate analysis, and I am in my own proper atmosphere. I can dispense then with artificial stimulants. But I abhor the dull routine of existence. I crave for mental exaltation." -- Sherlock Holmes . |
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per the OP's post, is there a way of assigning a low execution priority
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Hello Noel,
The software which has brought me to this parlous state of doubting is Awave Audio by FMJ-Software. http://www.fmjsoft.com/ This software doesn't require XP as a baseline since I see Win95 referred to and also since it handles conversions admirably - except that when employing it I must take a walk! That one exception aside I am fully satisfied with what I have. Computerwise. Am I correct, Noel, in thinking this (based on what yourself and Galen have said) which seems to be: A new computer with XP, loads of RAM and hardware to match would, were I to run Awave Audio, allow me to continue using the computer in other ways? And further, that if I insist on continuing to use the system/computer I presently have, it inevitably means that this software's dominance (the take-a-walk Ben syndrome) will continue, and there is nothing I can do (with what I have) to change that? Have I understood, Noel? If so, why is it that my system resources hover at 70% whilst my CPU Usage is in the red (Process Explorer). Can I assume the 70% means 30% in use? Which leads me to my last question, which was and is, what are the names of the 'components' comprising 'System Resources'? It is a lovely day here, Noel, on Vancouver Island. Spect it's raining where you are! Cheers,VBG Ben. P.S. Whatis "OTT WRT actual"? -----Original Message----- Ben Notwithstanding Galen's comments - which are *very* valid!....... My recommendation when buying a new PC is "'Go for the 'best' you can afford" The definition of 'best' is very much in the eye of the beholder!!!! Your current system is admirably capable of running ME - but may experience problems with XP because of hardware incompatibilities. There is no doubt that if you're considering spending a fair amount of time online, then XP is the better system to go for - and is more usable with modern applications (many of which require XP as a baseline) Barebones systems frequently mean one thing to a user, and another to a supplier!! - In my own definition, it's the main Box of the system, without the Keyboard, mouse, and monitor - and should not include an Operating System. Some manufacturers include the OS, some don't include the case! Check the specifications carefully before you purchase. For your system running ME, I don't think there's much point in upgrading the RAM beyond where it is currently - it's likely to be OTT WRT actual usage, unless you're printing large graphics files, or editing graphics. Strangely, SDRAM PC100 is actually becoming MORE expensive again - presumably because less people are buying it, while even fewer are making it! For any new system, if you're going to run XP, then use at least 512MB RAM (of whatever kind the motherboard takes) - at least then you will be starting up on the right footing! For ME, then you can safely drop that to 256MB (or even further, to 128MB, if money is tight) -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Ben B" wrote in message ... Hello Galen, Thanks for the detailed response. Yes I have 384MB of PC100 SDRAM in two slots. I can't tell whether or not my mobo will support PC133 SDRAM from the stats obtained in Everest All the stas I found are mentioned in my first post. PC100 SDRAM is cheap you say. How much do you suggest I might add? Another 256MB in the third slot? Or two sticks of 128MB in slots 3 and 4? or 2 sticks of 256MB in slots 3 and 4? My other option is to buy a new computer or a barebones system. What is a barebones system, Galen? And how much RAM and what type should I be looking at? I am not into gaming so presumably a CPU of IGBHz would be OK? Thank, Galen. Ben. -----Original Message----- In , Ben B had this to say: What, if anything, can I do to balance/limit the allocation of CPU Usage to this program, or alternatively replace/add system components to accomodate it. What elements comprise System Resources? In the past 25 years that I've been computing (my Dad was a geek and hence I started early) I've found that most people rant about CPU and clock cycles. Truth be told I've found greater performance lies more often in the RAM. It's my opinion (not fact by any means) that I've found that a 500 MHz PC w/512 MB of RAM will operate as well or better than a 800 MHz PC with 128 MB of RAM. I quote those numbers because those are actual system stats that I've had in the past and am able to comment on as a direct observer. A system as old as your computer means that you probably are using PC100 SDRAM and the price of this is dirt cheap. You have four slots, each will probably only support a 256 stick unfortunately, but you could consider buying some RAM if you're unable to purchase an entirely new computer at this time. Assuming that you already have a goodly amount in there (better than 64 MB would be nice to start with) I'd say trash all of them and go out and buy new sticks of a reputable brand. Make sure you get them from a dealer who's knowingly able to support that not all shipped RAM will work. Grab a free copy of a memory tester and test all the memory within your warranty period so that if it's faulty you can return it. Make sure that it's a tester that runs independant of the operating system. I try to avoid recommending specific brands of software but Google or MSN Search will certainly show you many sites that you can download this software at and places you can research before buying the RAM. Check your MOBO's stats. Maybe it will support PC133 SDRAM (which is a bit faster) and you'll be able to get that much better performance from your now dated computer. Several sites offer upgraded CPUs but, in my opinion, if you're going to update the CPU and the RAM you'd be better off heading to a generic indexing computer sales site and buying a whole new computer or a barebones system and getting a lot more bang for just a few bucks more. AMD prices are quite nice these days and the 64 bit archetecture has really proven itself in the field in my opinion. Alternatively wait for the prices on the P4s to drop and settle for a bit of sluggish behavior for the time being. Galen -- "My mind rebels at stagnation. Give me problems, give me work, give me the most abstruse cryptogram or the most intricate analysis, and I am in my own proper atmosphere. I can dispense then with artificial stimulants. But I abhor the dull routine of existence. I crave for mental exaltation." -- Sherlock Holmes . . |
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got it in one - raining now, although it looked very nice outside earlier! OTT='Over The Top' WRT= 'With Respect To' There's no good reason your system shouldn't run Awave fine. There's no real way to distinguish System Resource usage outside of the tools you're already using - and 70% free (30%in use) is a goodly amount. To check whether more RAM may be needed is fairly simple. Use System Monitor to look at the 'Swapfile in Use' during typical usage of the PC - if the value exceeds around 20MB, then more RAM may help. There are some programs that no matter how you set them up will appear to use every CPU cycle available (I have one running here). What that probably means is that the programmer was lazy, and is using the program to continually poll various states within the PC, rather than looking for the correct way to do this. Frequently this has no bad effect on 'normal running' - but sometimes it can effectively cripple the PC. I suggest that, since you've apparently paid for Awave, you use their support and ask them " It's likely that upgradin to XP (however good the hardware) will carry the same liability, unless the programmer has simply goofed on a Win9x API. -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Ben B" wrote in message ... Hello Noel, The software which has brought me to this parlous state of doubting is Awave Audio by FMJ-Software. http://www.fmjsoft.com/ This software doesn't require XP as a baseline since I see Win95 referred to and also since it handles conversions admirably - except that when employing it I must take a walk! That one exception aside I am fully satisfied with what I have. Computerwise. Am I correct, Noel, in thinking this (based on what yourself and Galen have said) which seems to be: A new computer with XP, loads of RAM and hardware to match would, were I to run Awave Audio, allow me to continue using the computer in other ways? And further, that if I insist on continuing to use the system/computer I presently have, it inevitably means that this software's dominance (the take-a-walk Ben syndrome) will continue, and there is nothing I can do (with what I have) to change that? Have I understood, Noel? If so, why is it that my system resources hover at 70% whilst my CPU Usage is in the red (Process Explorer). Can I assume the 70% means 30% in use? Which leads me to my last question, which was and is, what are the names of the 'components' comprising 'System Resources'? It is a lovely day here, Noel, on Vancouver Island. Spect it's raining where you are! Cheers,VBG Ben. P.S. Whatis "OTT WRT actual"? -----Original Message----- Ben Notwithstanding Galen's comments - which are *very* valid!....... My recommendation when buying a new PC is "'Go for the 'best' you can afford" The definition of 'best' is very much in the eye of the beholder!!!! Your current system is admirably capable of running ME - but may experience problems with XP because of hardware incompatibilities. There is no doubt that if you're considering spending a fair amount of time online, then XP is the better system to go for - and is more usable with modern applications (many of which require XP as a baseline) Barebones systems frequently mean one thing to a user, and another to a supplier!! - In my own definition, it's the main Box of the system, without the Keyboard, mouse, and monitor - and should not include an Operating System. Some manufacturers include the OS, some don't include the case! Check the specifications carefully before you purchase. For your system running ME, I don't think there's much point in upgrading the RAM beyond where it is currently - it's likely to be OTT WRT actual usage, unless you're printing large graphics files, or editing graphics. Strangely, SDRAM PC100 is actually becoming MORE expensive again - presumably because less people are buying it, while even fewer are making it! For any new system, if you're going to run XP, then use at least 512MB RAM (of whatever kind the motherboard takes) - at least then you will be starting up on the right footing! For ME, then you can safely drop that to 256MB (or even further, to 128MB, if money is tight) -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Ben B" wrote in message ... Hello Galen, Thanks for the detailed response. Yes I have 384MB of PC100 SDRAM in two slots. I can't tell whether or not my mobo will support PC133 SDRAM from the stats obtained in Everest All the stas I found are mentioned in my first post. PC100 SDRAM is cheap you say. How much do you suggest I might add? Another 256MB in the third slot? Or two sticks of 128MB in slots 3 and 4? or 2 sticks of 256MB in slots 3 and 4? My other option is to buy a new computer or a barebones system. What is a barebones system, Galen? And how much RAM and what type should I be looking at? I am not into gaming so presumably a CPU of IGBHz would be OK? Thank, Galen. Ben. -----Original Message----- In , Ben B had this to say: What, if anything, can I do to balance/limit the allocation of CPU Usage to this program, or alternatively replace/add system components to accomodate it. What elements comprise System Resources? In the past 25 years that I've been computing (my Dad was a geek and hence I started early) I've found that most people rant about CPU and clock cycles. Truth be told I've found greater performance lies more often in the RAM. It's my opinion (not fact by any means) that I've found that a 500 MHz PC w/512 MB of RAM will operate as well or better than a 800 MHz PC with 128 MB of RAM. I quote those numbers because those are actual system stats that I've had in the past and am able to comment on as a direct observer. A system as old as your computer means that you probably are using PC100 SDRAM and the price of this is dirt cheap. You have four slots, each will probably only support a 256 stick unfortunately, but you could consider buying some RAM if you're unable to purchase an entirely new computer at this time. Assuming that you already have a goodly amount in there (better than 64 MB would be nice to start with) I'd say trash all of them and go out and buy new sticks of a reputable brand. Make sure you get them from a dealer who's knowingly able to support that not all shipped RAM will work. Grab a free copy of a memory tester and test all the memory within your warranty period so that if it's faulty you can return it. Make sure that it's a tester that runs independant of the operating system. I try to avoid recommending specific brands of software but Google or MSN Search will certainly show you many sites that you can download this software at and places you can research before buying the RAM. Check your MOBO's stats. Maybe it will support PC133 SDRAM (which is a bit faster) and you'll be able to get that much better performance from your now dated computer. Several sites offer upgraded CPUs but, in my opinion, if you're going to update the CPU and the RAM you'd be better off heading to a generic indexing computer sales site and buying a whole new computer or a barebones system and getting a lot more bang for just a few bucks more. AMD prices are quite nice these days and the 64 bit archetecture has really proven itself in the field in my opinion. Alternatively wait for the prices on the P4s to drop and settle for a bit of sluggish behavior for the time being. Galen -- "My mind rebels at stagnation. Give me problems, give me work, give me the most abstruse cryptogram or the most intricate analysis, and I am in my own proper atmosphere. I can dispense then with artificial stimulants. But I abhor the dull routine of existence. I crave for mental exaltation." -- Sherlock Holmes . . |
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Hello Rick,
I have just been exploring that issue in Process Explorer and found under Process the Set Priority option. I have changed the Normal to Idle. And here I am with Awave Audio doing its thing and several other things going on. Cheers, Rick. P.S. What is that saying about minds and thinking alike? -----Original Message----- per the OP's post, is there a way of assigning a low execution priority to an application ? Rick . |
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Well your finding that there *is* a mechanism in place (I musta missed
it last time I went through PE) will help me get some stuff done, too. Rick "fools seldom differ" ? "great minds have better things to do with their time than think" ? "A skunk aslump on a stump... the skunk thought the stump stunk, the stump thought the skunk stunk" ? Ben B wrote: Hello Rick, I have just been exploring that issue in Process Explorer and found under Process the Set Priority option. I have changed the Normal to Idle. And here I am with Awave Audio doing its thing and several other things going on. Cheers, Rick. P.S. What is that saying about minds and thinking alike? -----Original Message----- per the OP's post, is there a way of assigning a low execution priority to an application ? Rick . |
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Hello Rick,
Good to be in touch once again. I remember you and your help. Love those gems of wisdom blow your siggy. It has made a huge difference - the Idle setting. I have more stuff up and running just to convince myself this is really happening. And it is. Take care, Rick. -----Original Message----- Well your finding that there *is* a mechanism in place (I musta missed it last time I went through PE) will help me get some stuff done, too. Rick "fools seldom differ" ? "great minds have better things to do with their time than think" ? "A skunk aslump on a stump... the skunk thought the stump stunk, the stump thought the skunk stunk" ? Ben B wrote: Hello Rick, I have just been exploring that issue in Process Explorer and found under Process the Set Priority option. I have changed the Normal to Idle. And here I am with Awave Audio doing its thing and several other things going on. Cheers, Rick. P.S. What is that saying about minds and thinking alike? -----Original Message----- per the OP's post, is there a way of assigning a low execution priority to an application ? Rick . . |
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