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#21
February 17th 06, 04:51 PM
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ETrust Firewall is a version of ZA. My bet is that our settings or your
surfing/email habits let a nasty through, and once they're in it takes heroic effort to get them out again. -- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User "Dan" wrote in message ... Gary S. Terhune wrote: Boy do I! Yeah, for the minor price difference, I think Pro is well worth it. I use XP Pro and 98SE in a dual-boot. I remember about 10 months ago when my XP Pro system was hacked. The XP Pro. side was broken into and then data started to be erased. The strange thing was that the XP Pro side was broken into but the hacker(s) were unable to break into the 98SE side of my system. I was using the XP firewall as well as the complete EZ Armor on my XP Pro side and Zone Alarm Pro. on the 98SE side. ZA Pro got many high-rated hits but it was not broken into. Perhaps this just goes to show that Zone Alarm Pro. was a better firewall or possibly my settings were not restricted enough in XP Pro. In addition maybe it was because I understood 98SE much better than XP Pro. but I still am grateful that my 98SE side which had my important data on it held while the XP Pro. side which had nothing really important on it was the one to crumble. Just my two cents for what it is worth. 
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#22
February 17th 06, 06:18 PM
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Gary,
I show 22 since the release of the Security Update CD(Feb.2004). Listed: KB833989 KB896688 KB904706 Virt.Mach.816093 KB873374 KB888113 KB891711 KB891781 KB896358 OUT.EXP.KB837009 NET.FRAME. 1.1 IE NAV.SOUND 319303 IDE HARD DRIVE MAP DRIVE SHUTDOWN Q260067 EURO CONVERSION TOOL KB840315 - CONTAINS MULTI UPDATES Q832894 KB889253 KB896727 KB905915 KB908519 WMP9-KB885492 This is what my 2 machines need. It may be different for various machines taking in consideration of possibly driver updates. "Gary S. Terhune" wrote: Quite a few since the CD was released, particularly if you've kept up with IE updates, WMP updates, maybe a couple of others. Maybe a dozen or more. If I have to do a clean install this weekend, which may be the case, I'll find out. My routine is to install 98SE, then run the SecUp CD, then head for Windows Updates. -- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User wrote in message ups.com... Out of curiousity, how many security updates did Microsoft actually produce for Win98 in recent years? Gary S. Terhune wrote: I assume someone already posted this at least once. But just in case... Gary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User (MS Official Announcement and FAQs) Effective June 30, 2006, support for Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition and Windows Me (and their related components) will end. After this date, incident support, security updates and Custom Support Agreement will no longer be available to the public. Visit http://www.microsoft.com/windows/sup...ofsupport.mspx for details. [...]
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#23
February 17th 06, 07:06 PM
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I'll be doing that install today or tomorrow, and I'll check, too.
Also going to see if I can determine the answer to that other question about what 98 Gold Updates are subsumed into 98SE, but that's a trickier question. There's a difference between incorporating an update and replacing the mudule that needed updating in the first place, probably with an even better result. Haven't let myself start thinking seriously about it yet, since I'm sure it will make my already shaky mental faculties start trembling. -- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User "poatt" wrote in message ... Gary, I show 22 since the release of the Security Update CD(Feb.2004). Listed: KB833989 KB896688 KB904706 Virt.Mach.816093 KB873374 KB888113 KB891711 KB891781 KB896358 OUT.EXP.KB837009 NET.FRAME. 1.1 IE NAV.SOUND 319303 IDE HARD DRIVE MAP DRIVE SHUTDOWN Q260067 EURO CONVERSION TOOL KB840315 - CONTAINS MULTI UPDATES Q832894 KB889253 KB896727 KB905915 KB908519 WMP9-KB885492 This is what my 2 machines need. It may be different for various machines taking in consideration of possibly driver updates. "Gary S. Terhune" wrote: Quite a few since the CD was released, particularly if you've kept up with IE updates, WMP updates, maybe a couple of others. Maybe a dozen or more. If I have to do a clean install this weekend, which may be the case, I'll find out. My routine is to install 98SE, then run the SecUp CD, then head for Windows Updates. -- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User wrote in message ups.com... Out of curiousity, how many security updates did Microsoft actually produce for Win98 in recent years? Gary S. Terhune wrote: I assume someone already posted this at least once. But just in case... Gary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User (MS Official Announcement and FAQs) Effective June 30, 2006, support for Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition and Windows Me (and their related components) will end. After this date, incident support, security updates and Custom Support Agreement will no longer be available to the public. Visit http://www.microsoft.com/windows/sup...ofsupport.mspx for details. [...]
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#25
February 17th 06, 08:00 PM
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I am checking out the one PCR listed. But it looks like it is for XP.
I may have missed an update to Netframework 1.1. So there may be 23 or if PCR is right ...24. "Gary S. Terhune" wrote: I'll be doing that install today or tomorrow, and I'll check, too. Also going to see if I can determine the answer to that other question about what 98 Gold Updates are subsumed into 98SE, but that's a trickier question. There's a difference between incorporating an update and replacing the mudule that needed updating in the first place, probably with an even better result. Haven't let myself start thinking seriously about it yet, since I'm sure it will make my already shaky mental faculties start trembling. -- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User "poatt" wrote in message ... Gary, I show 22 since the release of the Security Update CD(Feb.2004). Listed: KB833989 KB896688 KB904706 Virt.Mach.816093 KB873374 KB888113 KB891711 KB891781 KB896358 OUT.EXP.KB837009 NET.FRAME. 1.1 IE NAV.SOUND 319303 IDE HARD DRIVE MAP DRIVE SHUTDOWN Q260067 EURO CONVERSION TOOL KB840315 - CONTAINS MULTI UPDATES Q832894 KB889253 KB896727 KB905915 KB908519 WMP9-KB885492 This is what my 2 machines need. It may be different for various machines taking in consideration of possibly driver updates. "Gary S. Terhune" wrote: Quite a few since the CD was released, particularly if you've kept up with IE updates, WMP updates, maybe a couple of others. Maybe a dozen or more. If I have to do a clean install this weekend, which may be the case, I'll find out. My routine is to install 98SE, then run the SecUp CD, then head for Windows Updates. -- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User wrote in message ups.com... Out of curiousity, how many security updates did Microsoft actually produce for Win98 in recent years? Gary S. Terhune wrote: I assume someone already posted this at least once. But just in case... Gary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User (MS Official Announcement and FAQs) Effective June 30, 2006, support for Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition and Windows Me (and their related components) will end. After this date, incident support, security updates and Custom Support Agreement will no longer be available to the public. Visit http://www.microsoft.com/windows/sup...ofsupport.mspx for details. [...]
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#26
February 17th 06, 08:09 PM
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I don't think I ever installed that (911565). It may be that I do not have
WMP7 or 9 installed. I just went to update site and it did not show it. Only "no updates needed at this time". I read the link you posted but I did not see where it was for 98SE. Thanks for the "Headsup" though. "PCR" wrote: Here's a new critical, poatt, as of 2/14... http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../MS06-005.mspx Microsoft Security Bulletin MS06-005 Vulnerability in Windows Media Player Could Allow Remote Code Execution (911565) -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, should things get worse after this, PCR "poatt" wrote in message ... | Gary, | I show 22 since the release of the Security Update CD(Feb.2004). | Listed: | | KB833989 | KB896688 | KB904706 | Virt.Mach.816093 | KB873374 | KB888113 | KB891711 | KB891781 | KB896358 | OUT.EXP.KB837009 | NET.FRAME. 1.1 | IE NAV.SOUND 319303 | IDE HARD DRIVE | MAP DRIVE SHUTDOWN Q260067 | EURO CONVERSION TOOL | KB840315 - CONTAINS MULTI UPDATES | Q832894 | KB889253 | KB896727 | KB905915 | KB908519 | WMP9-KB885492 | | This is what my 2 machines need. It may be different for various machines | taking in consideration of possibly driver updates. | | "Gary S. Terhune" wrote: | | Quite a few since the CD was released, particularly if you've kept up with | IE updates, WMP updates, maybe a couple of others. Maybe a dozen or more. If | I have to do a clean install this weekend, which may be the case, I'll find | out. My routine is to install 98SE, then run the SecUp CD, then head for | Windows Updates. | | -- | Gary S. Terhune | MS MVP Shell/User | | wrote in message | ups.com... | Out of curiousity, how many security updates did Microsoft actually | produce for Win98 in recent years? | | | Gary S. Terhune wrote: | I assume someone already posted this at least once. But just in case... | | Gary S. Terhune | MS MVP Shell/User | | (MS Official Announcement and FAQs) | | Effective June 30, 2006, support for Windows 98, Windows 98 Second | Edition and Windows Me (and their related components) will end. After | this date, incident support, security updates and Custom Support | Agreement will no longer be available to the public. Visit | http://www.microsoft.com/windows/sup...ofsupport.mspx for details. | [...] | | | |
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#27
February 17th 06, 08:54 PM
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I doubt it would be offered if you hadn't installed WMP. But didn't you list... WMP9-KB885492..? I'm certainly NOT XP, & the site offered it to me. It was also at the Catalog. What do you see at this Registry key...?...
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Updates\Wind ows Media Player] [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Updates\Wind ows Media Player\wm308567] "Description"="Windows Media Update Q308567" ....snip [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Updates\Wind ows Media Player\wm320920] "Description"="Windows Media Update 320920" ....snip [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Updates\Wind ows Media Player\wm819639] "Description"="Windows Media Update 819639" ....snip [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Updates\Wind ows Media Player\KB837272] "Description"="Windows Media Update 837272" ....snip [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Updates\Wind ows Media Player\wm885492] "Description"="Windows Media Update 885492" ....snip [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Updates\Wind ows Media Player\KB911565] "Description"="Windows Media Update 911565" ....snip -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, should things get worse after this, PCR "poatt" wrote in message ... | I don't think I ever installed that (911565). It may be that I do not have | WMP7 or 9 installed. I just went to update site and it did not show it. Only | "no updates needed at this time". I read the link you posted but I did not | see where it was for 98SE. | Thanks for the "Headsup" though. | | "PCR" wrote: | | Here's a new critical, poatt, as of 2/14... | | http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../MS06-005.mspx | Microsoft Security Bulletin MS06-005 | Vulnerability in Windows Media Player Could Allow Remote Code Execution (911565) | | | -- | Thanks or Good Luck, | There may be humor in this post, and, | Naturally, you will not sue, | should things get worse after this, | PCR | | "poatt" wrote in message ... | | Gary, | | I show 22 since the release of the Security Update CD(Feb.2004). | | Listed: | | | | KB833989 | | KB896688 | | KB904706 | | Virt.Mach.816093 | | KB873374 | | KB888113 | | KB891711 | | KB891781 | | KB896358 | | OUT.EXP.KB837009 | | NET.FRAME. 1.1 | | IE NAV.SOUND 319303 | | IDE HARD DRIVE | | MAP DRIVE SHUTDOWN Q260067 | | EURO CONVERSION TOOL | | KB840315 - CONTAINS MULTI UPDATES | | Q832894 | | KB889253 | | KB896727 | | KB905915 | | KB908519 | | WMP9-KB885492 | | | | This is what my 2 machines need. It may be different for various machines | | taking in consideration of possibly driver updates. | | | | "Gary S. Terhune" wrote: | | | | Quite a few since the CD was released, particularly if you've kept up with | | IE updates, WMP updates, maybe a couple of others. Maybe a dozen or more. If | | I have to do a clean install this weekend, which may be the case, I'll find | | out. My routine is to install 98SE, then run the SecUp CD, then head for | | Windows Updates. | | | | -- | | Gary S. Terhune | | MS MVP Shell/User | | | | wrote in message | | ups.com... | | Out of curiousity, how many security updates did Microsoft actually | | produce for Win98 in recent years? | | | | | | Gary S. Terhune wrote: | | I assume someone already posted this at least once. But just in case... | | | | Gary S. Terhune | | MS MVP Shell/User | | | | (MS Official Announcement and FAQs) | | | | Effective June 30, 2006, support for Windows 98, Windows 98 Second | | Edition and Windows Me (and their related components) will end. After | | this date, incident support, security updates and Custom Support | | Agreement will no longer be available to the public. Visit | | http://www.microsoft.com/windows/sup...ofsupport.mspx for details. | | [...] | | | | | | | | |
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#28
February 17th 06, 11:05 PM
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Gary S. Terhune wrote:
ETrust Firewall is a version of ZA. My bet is that our settings or your surfing/email habits let a nasty through, and once they're in it takes heroic effort to get them out again. Yeah, I think you are right.
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#29
February 17th 06, 11:07 PM
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budgie wrote:
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 02:27:23 -0700, Dan wrote: Jonny wrote: Pro vs. HE, top of my head, its much easier to manipulate as administrator to limit more specific things in XP. User accounts are joke in HE, most kids know routes around its very limited user limitations. Remember the 98 or 98SE to ME upgrade major problems when ME came to market? Similar in XP to a certain extent in some cases. I wonder whether Microsoft wanted to eliminate the 9x code since it would be easier for Microsoft to focus on the NT (New Technology) code. Without wanting to start a conspiracy thread, I suggest it was part of their long time plan to finally bury DOS. Exactly. :-o
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#30
February 17th 06, 11:11 PM
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PCR wrote:
Here's a new critical, poatt, as of 2/14... http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../MS06-005.mspx Microsoft Security Bulletin MS06-005 Vulnerability in Windows Media Player Could Allow Remote Code Execution (911565) I got that critical update too, PCR. :
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