Last Rites for Win9x

Not so bad GST I will be sending you and several others an email as soon as I
get some real sit-down time. Too many friends and relatives that we haven't
seen for a couple of years.
BTW that article has been there since day 1 of the site g. It may come down
soon though since I will be redirecting to a new site (maybe even today). It's
the same organization just a new server.
--
George
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
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| Wow! I managed to miss that the first time around!
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| Hey, George. Howsit?
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| Gary S. Terhune
| MS MVP Shell/User
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| "Bindar Dundat" wrote in message
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| And let us not forget this goodie from about 2½ years ago.
| http://mvps.org/PracticallyNerded/Wi...98/98Death.htm
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| George
| "Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
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| | My own experience is that if your system can handle it easily, move to
| | WinXP. Learning the NT system on Win2K can be daunting. With XP, it's
| quite
| | a bit more idiot-proofed -- which in this case is a good thing.
| |
| | Or hobble along until Vista has the kinks worked out, then buy a
| spanking
| | new system. Myself, while I'll remain a Win98 MVP forever (God Willing)
| I
| | hope to move into Vista Support later this year, also.
| |
| | --
| | Gary S. Terhune
| | MS MVP Shell/User
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"Bindar Dundat" wrote in message


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Hey George, nice to see you around again.
I guess nearing spring everyone is coming out of the woodwork this week.
I don't see much going on at the Cafe ...where in heaven & earth have you
been s prolly really working for the cia over yonder I bet g

Rick

LMAO
You're on the mail list too. I just have to get to it. I don't even know how
much of this R&R (if you can call it that) they will let me have.
I'll be in touch
--
George
"Rick Chauvin" wrote in message
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| "Bindar Dundat" wrote in message
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| [...]
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| Hey George, nice to see you around again.
| I guess nearing spring everyone is coming out of the woodwork this week.
| I don't see much going on at the Cafe ...where in heaven & earth have you
| been s prolly really working for the cia over yonder I bet g
|
| Rick
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|

Pro vs. HE, top of my head, its much easier to manipulate as administrator
to limit more specific things in XP. User accounts are joke in HE, most
kids know routes around its very limited user limitations.
Remember the 98 or 98SE to ME upgrade major problems when ME came to market?
Similar in XP to a certain extent in some cases.
--
Jonny
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
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I wouldn't recommend the Upgrade route, either. Not even sure I've ever
tried it. But I've never liked the Upgrade route anyway, except maybe 98
to
98SE. My usual is to either copy the entire system to a folder on a new
machine, or to repartition the existing system using BING (shrunk and
moved,
not reformatted), then clean install the new system to the resulting free
space. (If there isn't enough free space to do that, another HD is called
for.)

But I would strongly suggest *not* getting XP Home Edition. Get Pro
instead.
There are certain functions missing in XP Home that I've come to find
indispensable, Remote Desktop in particular.

Here's a little considered issue (probably because it's so far-fetched):
You
can't offer Remote Assistance from anything but an XP system (and maybe
2K3
& Vista.) But you *can* pull off an RD session using any Windows system
(except 3.11, I think) and maybe even some non-Windows systems. All it
needs
is a functioning client. So, if your favorite geek happens to break his
modern XP system, and is relegated to running a 9x or any other non-XP
system, and you need his help ASAP, you'll be SOL if you have HE.

(OK, so I'm not a typical geek, sitting here surrounded by piles of
non-functioning parts, miles from most of my clients and with no
transportation -- which is OK since I'm in hermit mode.)

There are other advantages to Pro version, just can't call them to mind at
the moment.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"Jonny" wrote in message
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For those transitioning from 98/98SE/ME to XP HE, I found it more
workable
to do a clean install of XP HE. Seen some horror stories about upgrading
from prior 9X/ME to XP, loss of personal data, favorites etc. In my
case,
saved all favorites, Outlook pst, all personal files to a separate
removable
media. Don't use windows backup, XPs MS backup doesn't recognize the
98/98SE/ME MS backup file data. Simply save or copy the data. Make a
checklist so you won't forget anything. Recovery of this data was
uneventful, and painless.

Don't forget some 3rd party windows applications won't work in XP. Some
3rd
party drivers on a previous OS may screw up the XP upgrade install (this
is
overlooked alot). Some PCs don't have the oomph or marginal at best. MS
is
pretty thorough on there recommendations on an upgrade to XP, including
their software engine that checks your PC for a possible upgrade. But,
is
not perfect. An optional dual boot possible in the upgrade may help the
transition. Think twice, 3 or 4 times before moving.
--
Jonny

Boy do I!

Yeah, for the minor price difference, I think Pro is well worth it.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"Jonny" wrote in message
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Pro vs. HE, top of my head, its much easier to manipulate as administrator
to limit more specific things in XP. User accounts are joke in HE, most
kids know routes around its very limited user limitations.
Remember the 98 or 98SE to ME upgrade major problems when ME came to
market?
Similar in XP to a certain extent in some cases.
--
Jonny

"Rick Chauvin" wrote in message ...
| "Bindar Dundat" wrote in message
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| [...]
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| Hey George, nice to see you around again.
| I guess nearing spring everyone is coming out of the woodwork this week.

Odd! Every groundhog I know went back to sleep! But these are all waking up!

Bindar Dundat wrote:
And let us not forget this goodie from about 2½ years ago.
http://mvps.org/PracticallyNerded/Wi...98/98Death.htm

I liked the article but I still wonder why Microsoft released ME if it
wanted to keep the 9x operating systems going. ME was annoying since it
removed easy access to MS-DOS. I still am not sure what ME offered that
98SE did not besides automatic updates and system restore. I always was
under the impression that the reason Microsoft released ME was to help
move users to the NT (New Technology) operating systems. (aka 2000 and
XP) AFAIK, there are no Microsoft cordless keyboards for 98SE but you
can buy a cordless Logitech keyboard for 98SE. I hope someone here can
explain to me why Microsoft released ME if they were planning to keep
the 9x operating systems going. Finally, it does not surprise me that
IBM and others would want to force people to dumb terminals that they
would rent from them as the article states. Have a nice day!

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
Boy do I!

Yeah, for the minor price difference, I think Pro is well worth it.

I use XP Pro and 98SE in a dual-boot. I remember about 10 months ago
when my XP Pro system was hacked. The XP Pro. side was broken into and
then data started to be erased. The strange thing was that the XP Pro
side was broken into but the hacker(s) were unable to break into the
98SE side of my system. I was using the XP firewall as well as the
complete EZ Armor on my XP Pro side and Zone Alarm Pro. on the 98SE
side. ZA Pro got many high-rated hits but it was not broken into.
Perhaps this just goes to show that Zone Alarm Pro. was a better
firewall or possibly my settings were not restricted enough in XP Pro.
In addition maybe it was because I understood 98SE much better than XP
Pro. but I still am grateful that my 98SE side which had my important
data on it held while the XP Pro. side which had nothing really
important on it was the one to crumble. Just my two cents for what it
is worth.

Jonny wrote:
Pro vs. HE, top of my head, its much easier to manipulate as administrator
to limit more specific things in XP. User accounts are joke in HE, most
kids know routes around its very limited user limitations.
Remember the 98 or 98SE to ME upgrade major problems when ME came to market?
Similar in XP to a certain extent in some cases.

I wonder whether Microsoft wanted to eliminate the 9x code since it
would be easier for Microsoft to focus on the NT (New Technology) code.

On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 02:27:23 -0700, Dan wrote:

Jonny wrote:
Pro vs. HE, top of my head, its much easier to manipulate as administrator
to limit more specific things in XP. User accounts are joke in HE, most
kids know routes around its very limited user limitations.
Remember the 98 or 98SE to ME upgrade major problems when ME came to market?
Similar in XP to a certain extent in some cases.

I wonder whether Microsoft wanted to eliminate the 9x code since it
would be easier for Microsoft to focus on the NT (New Technology) code.

Without wanting to start a conspiracy thread, I suggest it was part of their
long time plan to finally bury DOS.