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Old February 5th 06, 10:58 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
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Doesn't really matter, I suppose, if you religiously back your data up,
Joan. I guess the irresponsibility comes in failing to do either - and I
expect that one usually goes with the other. However, there are - as you
know - significant advantages to not having just one big C: drive.

You know that - assuming your problems stem from *installing* PM - it
doesn't have to be installed, but it does take longer run from DOS. It takes
long enough anyway, but from DOS takes so long a UPS would be a good idea.
In fact, I've usually preferred to delete data rather than let PM move it,
and delete the OS and just reinstall everything once the partitioning is
done. Much less risk!


Shane


"Joan Archer" wrote in message
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Hangs head in shame :-(
I'm one of those irresponsible ones, still have just the one partition.
Had a few problems with this machine at the beginning that involved
PartitionMagic so once everything was running OK never installed it again.
All the stuff in My Documents though is also on CD, keep meaning to have a
clean out when I have time :-(

For anyone reading this though I run XP not ME.
Joan




Shane wrote:

What Mike said!

Incidentally, note I added the 'once you know it is' get out.
Consider also, that these replies are meant for whoever reads them,
not just the OP, and often that means those with Restore discs which
usually only wipe C, although usually that does mean the entire
unpartitioned disk and relatively inexperienced users will restore
their OEM image, or whatever, without realising that their documents
will be deleted in the process. I think that once you appreciate the
reasons Mike and I give, it *is* irresponsible to leave data on C, at
least if it is important and particularly if you'll be advising new
users. Same as it's not irresponsible to get malware infestations as
a new user, but as an old hand that's exactly what it is!
There was another point I meant to make, but it escapes me now...

Shane





  #22  
Old February 5th 06, 11:03 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
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You're crazy too, eh?

Shane

"George Gee" wrote in message
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Looks like I sit with the 'Gals'!

Although I do back-up daily, to an external hard-drive.

George Gee



"Heather" wrote in message
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Ditto, Joanie......so let's hold our heads up high and just say there is
a "guy vs gal" way of doing things......LOL!!

XX Heather

"Joan Archer" wrote in message
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Hangs head in shame :-(
I'm one of those irresponsible ones, still have just the one partition.
Had a few problems with this machine at the beginning that involved
PartitionMagic so once everything was running OK never installed it
again. All the stuff in My Documents though is also on CD, keep meaning
to have a clean out when I have time :-(

For anyone reading this though I run XP not ME.
Joan




Shane wrote:

What Mike said!

Incidentally, note I added the 'once you know it is' get out.
Consider also, that these replies are meant for whoever reads them,
not just the OP, and often that means those with Restore discs which
usually only wipe C, although usually that does mean the entire
unpartitioned disk and relatively inexperienced users will restore
their OEM image, or whatever, without realising that their documents
will be deleted in the process. I think that once you appreciate the
reasons Mike and I give, it *is* irresponsible to leave data on C, at
least if it is important and particularly if you'll be advising new
users. Same as it's not irresponsible to get malware infestations as
a new user, but as an old hand that's exactly what it is!
There was another point I meant to make, but it escapes me now...

Shane








  #23  
Old February 5th 06, 11:25 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
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Keep it simple is my motto.
It doesn't matter where you *move* your 'My Docs/My Data' folder to,
a separate partition, a separate hard-drive, you still need to back it up!

George Gee

"Shane" wrote in message
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You're crazy too, eh?

Shane

"George Gee" wrote in message
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Looks like I sit with the 'Gals'!

Although I do back-up daily, to an external hard-drive.

George Gee



  #24  
Old February 6th 06, 12:01 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
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True. But when it takes, for example, not 20 mins, but 2 to defrag C, it
sure simplifys running Windows! No defragging temp files, large music file
collections etc etc etc, or anyway, not every time you defrag C: - which you
need do less often anyway. But you've heard all this before, haven't you
George? ;-)

Instead of thinking of partitioning as creating seperate 'drives', think of
it as applying an attribute to My Documents that prevents it being deleted
with Windows, even if you run FORMAT C: to do it.


Shane


"George Gee" wrote in message
...
Keep it simple is my motto.
It doesn't matter where you *move* your 'My Docs/My Data' folder to,
a separate partition, a separate hard-drive, you still need to back it up!

George Gee

"Shane" wrote in message
...

You're crazy too, eh?

Shane

"George Gee" wrote in message
...



Looks like I sit with the 'Gals'!

Although I do back-up daily, to an external hard-drive.

George Gee





  #25  
Old February 6th 06, 12:13 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
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lol It wasn't anything to do with installing the program in fact on the
other machine which Kelly has now I used it because I was dual booting
between XP and ME.

This was all to do with when I first had this one which came pre-installed
with XP, Noel knows all the problems I had with it at that time which is
why I went with the format and clean install my own copy of XP and never
bothered installing PM, I have a version 8 boxed edition of it and I think
it is the version before it was bought out by you know who g

I tend to keep this machine pretty lean I only keep ng postings for about
two days before getting rid if I find any good posts they get copied to
their own folder same with emails.
Joan

Shane wrote:
Doesn't really matter, I suppose, if you religiously back your data
up, Joan. I guess the irresponsibility comes in failing to do either
- and I expect that one usually goes with the other. However, there
are - as you know - significant advantages to not having just one big
C: drive.
You know that - assuming your problems stem from *installing* PM - it
doesn't have to be installed, but it does take longer run from DOS.
It takes long enough anyway, but from DOS takes so long a UPS would
be a good idea. In fact, I've usually preferred to delete data rather
than let PM move it, and delete the OS and just reinstall everything
once the partitioning is done. Much less risk!


Shane



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Old February 6th 06, 03:27 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
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"Mike M" wrote in message
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Old Geezer wrote:

That's a new one on me. Why is not moving those things
"irresponsible"?


Because leaving them in the default locations means any Trojan or malware
you have the misfortune to acquire will find them more easily than if
relocated elsewhere.
--
Mike Maltby


Thanks, Mike. Actually these things presumably aren't applicable to my WinME
machine since I keep it offline. (It has NEVER been online, just to avoid
the dangers you mention.) Of course they would apply to my WinXP system,
which I'm using now, but I think I have this pretty well protected by McAfee
firewall and antivirus. In addition I usually disable the cable modem
(Motorola SURFboard, has a button on top for this purpose) if I'm going to
be away from the computer for more than a few minutes. Soon I'll be adding a
router which as I understand it will add another layer of protection via the
hardware firewall. Doesn't all that keep me safe from assorted malware?

O.G.


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Old February 6th 06, 03:55 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
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"Mike M" wrote in message
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[ . . . ]
In addition by keeping the system partition "lean and mean" defrags for
example are much quicker to complete and have less of the restart problems
experienced by many with large single partition systems. Further by
relocating ones data on a second partition or drive makes reinstalling an
OS far less of a problem in the event of major problems and ensures little
or no loss of data. Similarly far less space is required to back up the
system partition which means it may just get done a little more frequently
than otherwise. :-)


Thanks again, those are really good points. I've often thought about
partitioning in connection with that first item, the faster defrags, but
this only occurs to me when I've already started the long inefficient defrag
and then I forget about it until next time. ;-)

What sort of restart problems? Do I understand you correctly, that this
means restart problems following a defrag? I don't recall having had
anything like that.

Yes, I can see that having a smaller system partition to back up makes a lot
of sense. As for reinstalling the OS though, I may be missing something
here. I have a lot of programs installed, and reinstalling the OS means
losing the original registry, doesn't it? While I realize the registry
itself can be backed up, isn't a reason for reinstalling likely to include
something wrong *in* the registry, or at least an accumulation of useless
junk there? I'll admit to being seriously out of my depth when it comes to
the registry, and it's something I mean to learn more about.

O.G.


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Old February 6th 06, 04:06 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
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What sort of restart problems?

Where defrag continually restarts due to something having changed a file
on the partition being defragged and then bombing out because this has
happened ten times.

As for reinstalling the OS though, I may be
missing something here. I have a lot of programs installed, and
reinstalling the OS means losing the original registry, doesn't it?


I don't understand your point here. Reinstall means just that, OS and
applications so yes the registry will be rebuilt. However with a suitably
backed up system partition it is far easier to simply restore the backup.
For example I use BootIt NG and image my OS partitions weekly, for Win Me
each is less than 2GB and for XP around 3.5GB. If I have problems I
simply restore the appropriate backed up image, all without the loss of
any volatile data. So much so that I have rarely if ever reinstalled an
OS and apps on one of my production boxes, instead if I have problems I
just restore an image, either a recent image or occasionally one made
shortly after the initial install although in the latter case normally
only to check out an idea after which I then re-load a more recent image.
--
Mike Maltby



Old Geezer wrote:

Thanks again, those are really good points. I've often thought about
partitioning in connection with that first item, the faster defrags,
but this only occurs to me when I've already started the long
inefficient defrag and then I forget about it until next time. ;-)

What sort of restart problems? Do I understand you correctly, that
this means restart problems following a defrag? I don't recall having
had anything like that.

Yes, I can see that having a smaller system partition to back up
makes a lot of sense. As for reinstalling the OS though, I may be
missing something here. I have a lot of programs installed, and
reinstalling the OS means losing the original registry, doesn't it?
While I realize the registry itself can be backed up, isn't a reason
for reinstalling likely to include something wrong *in* the registry,
or at least an accumulation of useless junk there? I'll admit to
being seriously out of my depth when it comes to the registry, and
it's something I mean to learn more about.
O.G.


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Old February 6th 06, 05:37 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
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Shame you didn't do the partitioning before re-installing, Joan. More of a
shame that new computers with pre-installed systems aren't already
partitioned. Why they aren't, Christ knows!

The point I feel I have to make is that, even when a user does back up
without fail, while not gaining large quantities of important data that can
ill afford to be lost before the *next* backup, partitioning should still be
recommended to others - because most people either do *not* backup
religiously, and/or they have data that is very valuable indeed, for
instance business-related, or maybe pictures of a recently-deceased loved
one. Most people don't even seem to be aware that they *can* lose this data.
The potential anguish is such that the sensible recommendation must be to
prepare for the possibility of C: being wiped out. Backing up one's data
(and verifying it's integrity!) before partitioning, eliminates any risk
from the process so - if you stand to lose what you would protect if you
could - there's no reason not to partition.

The disk-operation efficiency arguments for moving folders to different
drives are perfectly valid, but increasing data security is the clincher, I
reckon.

Shane



"Joan Archer" wrote in message
...
lol It wasn't anything to do with installing the program in fact on the
other machine which Kelly has now I used it because I was dual booting
between XP and ME.

This was all to do with when I first had this one which came pre-installed
with XP, Noel knows all the problems I had with it at that time which is
why I went with the format and clean install my own copy of XP and never
bothered installing PM, I have a version 8 boxed edition of it and I think
it is the version before it was bought out by you know who g

I tend to keep this machine pretty lean I only keep ng postings for about
two days before getting rid if I find any good posts they get copied to
their own folder same with emails.
Joan

Shane wrote:
Doesn't really matter, I suppose, if you religiously back your data
up, Joan. I guess the irresponsibility comes in failing to do either
- and I expect that one usually goes with the other. However, there
are - as you know - significant advantages to not having just one big
C: drive.
You know that - assuming your problems stem from *installing* PM - it
doesn't have to be installed, but it does take longer run from DOS.
It takes long enough anyway, but from DOS takes so long a UPS would
be a good idea. In fact, I've usually preferred to delete data rather
than let PM move it, and delete the OS and just reinstall everything
once the partitioning is done. Much less risk!


Shane





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Old February 6th 06, 09:17 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
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"Shane" wrote in message
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Shame you didn't do the partitioning before re-installing, Joan.


ISRT making much the same comment at the time, Shane!


It's worth noting that at one time most IBM's were partitioned - but the D:
partition was not pointed to by any of the inbuilt software, and so the 10GB
C: partition filled rather rapidly - leaving a 10-30GB D: partition totally
empty!!

--
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