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AW: Can't boot win98! Sectors not found Dos error, right?
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:02:12 +0200, "Klaus Meinhard"
wrote: Dang, I also should have said that all those files I can't read when the C: partition (win98) is my system partition, I can still read just fine when I've booted to XP. That's why I'm thinking there's something fairly simple (other than restoring the data) that I could do to the c: (win98) partition that would make it good again. I thought I posted this last night. ;( Is your partition FAT16 or FAT32? What's the size of your partition? FAT32 28 gigs (see http://support.microsoft.com/kb/118335) What's the type of your partition (primary or extended)? How many partitons of which type are in your system? Cwin98) is primary and active. I have two primary partitions on the internal harddrive. There is a valid MBR. It's set up for multiboot starting at the C: partition, and related to this, C: contains a valid boot sector, valid boot.ini, valid bootsect.dos. Those files are seen and read. Other files in the C: partition are also and others aren't, even though they are all listed by DOS DIR command. (see http://support.microsoft.com/kb/69912) It _is_ a FAT partition, not NTFS? Yes, FAT32. So is the winXP partition, so I can read the files in XP when I'm in 98. And that still works. All the files I can't read or edit when I'm in the dos of win98, I can read and edit when I'm running winXP! |
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Can't boot win98! Sectors not found Dos error, right?
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:02:12 +0200, "Klaus Meinhard"
wrote: Dang, I also should have said that all those files I can't read when the C: partition (win98) is my system partition, I can still read just fine when I've booted to XP. That's why I'm thinking there's something fairly simple (other than restoring the data) that I could do to the c: (win98) partition that would make it good again. I thought I posted this last night. ;( Still no go. Third try! Is your partition FAT16 or FAT32? What's the size of your partition? FAT32 28 gigs (see http://support.microsoft.com/kb/118335) What's the type of your partition (primary or extended)? How many partitons of which type are in your system? Cwin98) is primary and active. I have two primary partitions on the internal harddrive. There is a valid MBR. It's set up for multiboot starting at the C: partition, and related to this, C: contains a valid boot sector, valid boot.ini, valid bootsect.dos. Those files are seen and read. Other files in the C: partition are also and others aren't, even though they are all listed by DOS DIR command. (see http://support.microsoft.com/kb/69912) It _is_ a FAT partition, not NTFS? Yes, FAT32. So is the winXP partition, so I can read the files in XP when I'm in 98. And that still works. All the files I can't read or edit when I'm in the dos of win98, I can read and edit when I'm running winXP! |
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Can't boot win98! Sectors not found Dos error, right?
mm wrote:
.... Well, the WD DLG software says it's healthy, that it PASSes all the SMART tests. Those tests only check the condition of the disk. They do not, and are not capable of, testing the FAT tables pointers. -- Todd Vargo (Post questions to group only. Remove "z" to email personal messages) |
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AW: Can't boot win98! Sectors not found Dos error, right?
Is your partition FAT16 or FAT32?
What's the size of your partition? FAT32 28 gigs See http://support.microsoft.com/kb/184006/en-us . especially this sector: quote The ScanDisk tool included with Microsoft Windows 95 and Microsoft Windows 98 is a 16-bit program. Such programs have a single memory block maximum allocation size of 16 MB less 64 KB. Therefore, The Windows 95 or Windows 98 ScanDisk tool cannot process volumes using the FAT32 file system that have a FAT larger than 16 MB less 64 KB in size. A FAT entry on a volume using the FAT32 file system uses 4 bytes, so ScanDisk cannot process the FAT on a volume using the FAT32 file system that defines more than 4,177,920 clusters (including the two reserved clusters). Including the FATs themselves, this works out, at the maximum of 32 KB per cluster, to a volume size of 127.53 gigabytes (GB). unquote DOS is a 16bit programm, so other plain DOS tools and DOS itself might have the same limitation. -- herzliche Grüße, Klaus Meinhard |
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AW: Can't boot win98! Sectors not found Dos error, right?
Klaus Meinhard wrote:
quote The ScanDisk tool included with Microsoft Windows 95 and Microsoft Windows 98 is a 16-bit program. Such programs have a single memory block maximum allocation size of 16 MB less 64 KB. Therefore, The Windows 95 or Windows 98 ScanDisk tool cannot process volumes using the FAT32 file system that have a FAT larger than 16 MB less 64 KB in size. A FAT entry on a volume using the FAT32 file system uses 4 bytes, so ScanDisk cannot process the FAT on a volume using the FAT32 file system that defines more than 4,177,920 clusters (including the two reserved clusters). Including the FATs themselves, this works out, at the maximum of 32 KB per cluster, to a volume size of 127.53 gigabytes (GB). unquote I have been aware of that Micro**** KB article for several years, and the information it contains is an absolute LIE. I have myself created large fat32 partitions (larger than 127 gb, and in some cases up to 700 gb) with up to 120 MILLION clusters and DOS scandisk can process those FAT's with no trouble (but it can take many hours, even 1 or 2 days of continuous processing if doing a surface scan). If booting directly into DOS to run scandisk, you must make sure that himem.sys is in your config.sys, because contrary to what microsoft says above, scandisk will use extended memory if it's available via himem.sys. If it's not, scandisk will throw up a message advising you to use himem.sys. As long as your motherboard is LBA-48 aware (which means - if your motherboard was made in 2002 or later) then DOS is fully compatible with very large hard drives and volumes - far exceeding 128 gb in size. Windows 98/me is not compatible with drives larger than 128 gb because of it's protected mode driver (ESDI_506.PDR). But that only applies to IDE drives. SATA drives don't have that limitation, so Win-9x/me systems with SATA controllers and drivers can be used with very large SATA hard drives (the largest I've tested was 750 gb). DOS fdisk is compable with drives up to 512 gb (there are other fdisk programs that can exceed that). DOS format.com is compatible with volumes up to 1024 gb (1 tb) in size. |
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AW: AW: Can't boot win98! Sectors not found Dos error, right?
Hi, "98 Guy",
your words relate to mm's problem in what way? -- Best Regards, * Klaus Meinhard * www.4dos.info I have been aware of that Micro**** KB article for several years, and the information it contains is an absolute LIE. I have myself created large fat32 partitions (larger than 127 gb, and in some cases up to 700 gb) with up to 120 MILLION clusters and DOS scandisk can process those FAT's with no trouble (but it can take many hours, even 1 or 2 days of continuous processing if doing a surface scan). If booting directly into DOS to run scandisk, you must make sure that himem.sys is in your config.sys, because contrary to what microsoft says above, scandisk will use extended memory if it's available via himem.sys. If it's not, scandisk will throw up a message advising you to use himem.sys. As long as your motherboard is LBA-48 aware (which means - if your motherboard was made in 2002 or later) then DOS is fully compatible with very large hard drives and volumes - far exceeding 128 gb in size. Windows 98/me is not compatible with drives larger than 128 gb because of it's protected mode driver (ESDI_506.PDR). But that only applies to IDE drives. SATA drives don't have that limitation, so Win-9x/me systems with SATA controllers and drivers can be used with very large SATA hard drives (the largest I've tested was 750 gb). DOS fdisk is compable with drives up to 512 gb (there are other fdisk programs that can exceed that). DOS format.com is compatible with volumes up to 1024 gb (1 tb) in size. |
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AW: AW: Can't boot win98! Sectors not found Dos error, right?
Klaus Meinhard top-poasted and unnecessarily full-quoted:
Hi, "98 Guy", your words relate to mm's problem in what way? My words relate to what you posted, which was the Micro**** KB article about FAT having a 16-mb size limitation. That's what I was responding to, and because I properly quoted and bottom-posted my response, it should have been obvious. If the KB article about FAT size does not relate to mm's problem, then why did *you* post it? |
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AW: AW: AW: Can't boot win98! Sectors not found Dos error, right?
98 Guy wrote:
My words relate to what you posted, which was the Micro**** KB article about FAT having a 16-mb size limitation. That's what I was responding to, and because I properly quoted and bottom-posted my response, it should have been obvious. My response to mm's problem (where some files cannot be read in Win98, but are okay in XP) pointed out that some of the plain DOS progs in Win98 might have some problems with FAT32 on partitions greater than 16 GB. I said nothing about FAT (which one?) having any limitations, especially not the 16mb (!) one you inserted. You should learn the definition of FAT, DOS, Mega- and GigaBytes and probably a few things more. Name-slinging and playing nntp-police may be the prerogative of the mindless young. But I don't have to read this or answer it. So don't bother to reply, since I won't see it any more. -- Best Regards, * Klaus Meinhard * www.4dos.info |
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AW: AW: Can't boot win98! Sectors not found Dos error, right?
"Klaus Meinhard" wrote in message
... My response to mm's problem (where some files cannot be read in Win98, but are okay in XP) pointed out that some of the plain DOS progs in Win98 might have some problems with FAT32 on partitions greater than 16 GB. I said nothing about FAT (which one?) having any limitations, especially not the 16mb (!) one you inserted. You should learn the definition of FAT, DOS, Mega- and GigaBytes and probably a few things more. Just in case anybody's interested: http://download.microsoft.com/downlo...LocFileSys.doc |
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AW: AW: Can't boot win98! Sectors not found Dos error, right?
Good Info
"FromTheRafters" erratic @nomail.afraid.org wrote in message ... "Klaus Meinhard" wrote in message ... My response to mm's problem (where some files cannot be read in Win98, but are okay in XP) pointed out that some of the plain DOS progs in Win98 might have some problems with FAT32 on partitions greater than 16 GB. I said nothing about FAT (which one?) having any limitations, especially not the 16mb (!) one you inserted. You should learn the definition of FAT, DOS, Mega- and GigaBytes and probably a few things more. Just in case anybody's interested: http://download.microsoft.com/downlo...LocFileSys.doc |
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