Recovery disc re-instal: can't get past W98 logon (repost)

Below is the copy of the response to this problem from a month ago!
I've tried both solutions but still no success. This is an all usb
pc...does that help? Any further assistance would be great. Tks.

And, should Noel's correct solution not work for some reason, try a work
around by assigning a blank password in safe mode:

Blank Password: Go to control panel, network, primary network logon and
select Windows Logon. Go to control panel, passwords, user profiles and
ensure the "all user's" box is marked. If you have a password established,
go to control panel, passwords, change windows password, type the password
in the old box, leave the rest blank and OK your way out. If you have
forgotten your password, delete the .pwl file with your user name (mine is
ron.pwl); however, be aware that you will lose all passwords stored in the
...pwl file. If you do not have a password established or have deleted the
...pwl file, when the W95/98 logon screen appears at boot, type a user name
only and hit OK. If the logon screen continues to appear and you have Tweak
UI installed, go to the Paranoia tab and remove the mark from "clear last
user."


--
Regards


Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98
Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
Knowledge Base Info:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo



"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
Boot to Safe Mode
Open Device Manager
Remove ALL Keyboard and Mouse entries
Remove ALL entries in the 'Other Devices' Branch (if present)
Remove ALL error-flagged entries
Boot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall the drivers, hopefully curing
your problem

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

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"Bryan P" Bryan wrote in message
news
Gateway Neo recovery disks used to re-install W98SE. No problems with
setup.
When it gets to the password window after the instal I have no mouse or
keybd
control. It will boot in Safe Mode OK. Keybd and mouse control all OK.
So if I can have help in bypassing the Passwd window or some other fix,
that
would be great. Tks in anticipation.

What is the setting for legacy keyboard support in BIOS setup?
http://support.intel.com/support/per.../cs-011939.htm
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Bryan P" wrote in message
...
Below is the copy of the response to this problem from a month ago!
I've tried both solutions but still no success. This is an all usb
pc...does that help? Any further assistance would be great. Tks.

And, should Noel's correct solution not work for some reason, try a work
around by assigning a blank password in safe mode:

Blank Password: Go to control panel, network, primary network logon and
select Windows Logon. Go to control panel, passwords, user profiles and
ensure the "all user's" box is marked. If you have a password established,
go to control panel, passwords, change windows password, type the password
in the old box, leave the rest blank and OK your way out. If you have
forgotten your password, delete the .pwl file with your user name (mine is
ron.pwl); however, be aware that you will lose all passwords stored in the
..pwl file. If you do not have a password established or have deleted the
..pwl file, when the W95/98 logon screen appears at boot, type a user name
only and hit OK. If the logon screen continues to appear and you have
Tweak
UI installed, go to the Paranoia tab and remove the mark from "clear last
user."


--
Regards


Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98
Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
Knowledge Base Info:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo



"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
Boot to Safe Mode
Open Device Manager
Remove ALL Keyboard and Mouse entries
Remove ALL entries in the 'Other Devices' Branch (if present)
Remove ALL error-flagged entries
Boot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall the drivers, hopefully
curing
your problem

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
"Bryan P" Bryan wrote in message
news
Gateway Neo recovery disks used to re-install W98SE. No problems with
setup.
When it gets to the password window after the instal I have no mouse or
keybd
control. It will boot in Safe Mode OK. Keybd and mouse control all OK.
So if I can have help in bypassing the Passwd window or some other fix,
that
would be great. Tks in anticipation.

Jeff
Since the user has mouse/KBD access before logon, the USB must be switched
on - and Legacy only affects DOS/BIOS USB control, not Windows.

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
"Jeff Richards" wrote in message
...
What is the setting for legacy keyboard support in BIOS setup?
http://support.intel.com/support/per.../cs-011939.htm
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Bryan P" wrote in message
...
Below is the copy of the response to this problem from a month ago!
I've tried both solutions but still no success. This is an all usb
pc...does that help? Any further assistance would be great. Tks.

And, should Noel's correct solution not work for some reason, try a work
around by assigning a blank password in safe mode:

Blank Password: Go to control panel, network, primary network logon and
select Windows Logon. Go to control panel, passwords, user profiles and
ensure the "all user's" box is marked. If you have a password
established,
go to control panel, passwords, change windows password, type the
password
in the old box, leave the rest blank and OK your way out. If you have
forgotten your password, delete the .pwl file with your user name (mine
is
ron.pwl); however, be aware that you will lose all passwords stored in
the
..pwl file. If you do not have a password established or have deleted the
..pwl file, when the W95/98 logon screen appears at boot, type a user
name
only and hit OK. If the logon screen continues to appear and you have
Tweak
UI installed, go to the Paranoia tab and remove the mark from "clear last
user."


--
Regards


Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98
Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
Knowledge Base Info:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo



"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
Boot to Safe Mode
Open Device Manager
Remove ALL Keyboard and Mouse entries
Remove ALL entries in the 'Other Devices' Branch (if present)
Remove ALL error-flagged entries
Boot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall the drivers, hopefully
curing
your problem

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
NG's
"Bryan P" Bryan wrote in message
news Gateway Neo recovery disks used to re-install W98SE. No problems with
setup.
When it gets to the password window after the instal I have no mouse or
keybd
control. It will boot in Safe Mode OK. Keybd and mouse control all OK.
So if I can have help in bypassing the Passwd window or some other fix,
that
would be great. Tks in anticipation.

We are all assuming that OP had legacy support enabled for the install. We
do not know whether or not the user has retained the legacy setting for the
boot. If not, and if Windows is assuming that the keyboard is configured as
it was for the install, then the boot will fail.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
Jeff
Since the user has mouse/KBD access before logon, the USB must be switched
on - and Legacy only affects DOS/BIOS USB control, not Windows.

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
"Jeff Richards" wrote in message
...
What is the setting for legacy keyboard support in BIOS setup?
http://support.intel.com/support/per.../cs-011939.htm
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Bryan P" wrote in message
...
Below is the copy of the response to this problem from a month ago!
I've tried both solutions but still no success. This is an all usb
pc...does that help? Any further assistance would be great. Tks.

And, should Noel's correct solution not work for some reason, try a work
around by assigning a blank password in safe mode:

Blank Password: Go to control panel, network, primary network logon and
select Windows Logon. Go to control panel, passwords, user profiles and
ensure the "all user's" box is marked. If you have a password
established,
go to control panel, passwords, change windows password, type the
password
in the old box, leave the rest blank and OK your way out. If you have
forgotten your password, delete the .pwl file with your user name (mine
is
ron.pwl); however, be aware that you will lose all passwords stored in
the
..pwl file. If you do not have a password established or have deleted
the
..pwl file, when the W95/98 logon screen appears at boot, type a user
name
only and hit OK. If the logon screen continues to appear and you have
Tweak
UI installed, go to the Paranoia tab and remove the mark from "clear
last
user."


--
Regards


Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98
Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
Knowledge Base Info:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo



"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
Boot to Safe Mode
Open Device Manager
Remove ALL Keyboard and Mouse entries
Remove ALL entries in the 'Other Devices' Branch (if present)
Remove ALL error-flagged entries
Boot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall the drivers, hopefully
curing
your problem

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
NG's
"Bryan P" Bryan wrote in message
news Gateway Neo recovery disks used to re-install W98SE. No problems with
setup.
When it gets to the password window after the instal I have no mouse
or
keybd
control. It will boot in Safe Mode OK. Keybd and mouse control all OK.
So if I can have help in bypassing the Passwd window or some other
fix,
that
would be great. Tks in anticipation.

No it won't - USB is detected and drivers are loaded in the default
configuration, and as such are not dependent on the Legacy settings -
besides which he's uninstalled/reinstalled the mouse and keyboard in this
configuration.

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
"Jeff Richards" wrote in message
...
We are all assuming that OP had legacy support enabled for the install. We
do not know whether or not the user has retained the legacy setting for
the boot. If not, and if Windows is assuming that the keyboard is
configured as it was for the install, then the boot will fail.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
Jeff
Since the user has mouse/KBD access before logon, the USB must be
switched on - and Legacy only affects DOS/BIOS USB control, not Windows.

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
"Jeff Richards" wrote in message
...
What is the setting for legacy keyboard support in BIOS setup?
http://support.intel.com/support/per.../cs-011939.htm
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Bryan P" wrote in message
...
Below is the copy of the response to this problem from a month ago!
I've tried both solutions but still no success. This is an all usb
pc...does that help? Any further assistance would be great. Tks.

And, should Noel's correct solution not work for some reason, try a
work
around by assigning a blank password in safe mode:

Blank Password: Go to control panel, network, primary network logon and
select Windows Logon. Go to control panel, passwords, user profiles and
ensure the "all user's" box is marked. If you have a password
established,
go to control panel, passwords, change windows password, type the
password
in the old box, leave the rest blank and OK your way out. If you have
forgotten your password, delete the .pwl file with your user name (mine
is
ron.pwl); however, be aware that you will lose all passwords stored in
the
..pwl file. If you do not have a password established or have deleted
the
..pwl file, when the W95/98 logon screen appears at boot, type a user
name
only and hit OK. If the logon screen continues to appear and you have
Tweak
UI installed, go to the Paranoia tab and remove the mark from "clear
last
user."


--
Regards


Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98
Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
Knowledge Base Info:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo



"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
Boot to Safe Mode
Open Device Manager
Remove ALL Keyboard and Mouse entries
Remove ALL entries in the 'Other Devices' Branch (if present)
Remove ALL error-flagged entries
Boot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall the drivers, hopefully
curing
your problem

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
NG's
"Bryan P" Bryan wrote in message
news Gateway Neo recovery disks used to re-install W98SE. No problems with
setup.
When it gets to the password window after the instal I have no mouse
or
keybd
control. It will boot in Safe Mode OK. Keybd and mouse control all
OK.
So if I can have help in bypassing the Passwd window or some other
fix,
that
would be great. Tks in anticipation.

I've read your responses. Tks. I haven't checked BIOS yet (it's a neighbour's
PC), but reading the Intel link provided by Jeff, I can do all the things it
says may not work if there is a legacy prob. Also even though I've removed
all refs to keyboard and mouse in device manager (in safe mode) I've still
got control if I boot in safe mode again, and of course I can't re-install
that hardware in safe mode. And also re-installing from scratch with the
recovery disk still gives the same problem.
But I will check that legacy is enabled in BIOS.

"Noel Paton" wrote:

No it won't - USB is detected and drivers are loaded in the default
configuration, and as such are not dependent on the Legacy settings -
besides which he's uninstalled/reinstalled the mouse and keyboard in this
configuration.

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
"Jeff Richards" wrote in message
...
We are all assuming that OP had legacy support enabled for the install. We
do not know whether or not the user has retained the legacy setting for
the boot. If not, and if Windows is assuming that the keyboard is
configured as it was for the install, then the boot will fail.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
Jeff
Since the user has mouse/KBD access before logon, the USB must be
switched on - and Legacy only affects DOS/BIOS USB control, not Windows.

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
"Jeff Richards" wrote in message
...
What is the setting for legacy keyboard support in BIOS setup?
http://support.intel.com/support/per.../cs-011939.htm
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Bryan P" wrote in message
...
Below is the copy of the response to this problem from a month ago!
I've tried both solutions but still no success. This is an all usb
pc...does that help? Any further assistance would be great. Tks.

And, should Noel's correct solution not work for some reason, try a
work
around by assigning a blank password in safe mode:

Blank Password: Go to control panel, network, primary network logon and
select Windows Logon. Go to control panel, passwords, user profiles and
ensure the "all user's" box is marked. If you have a password
established,
go to control panel, passwords, change windows password, type the
password
in the old box, leave the rest blank and OK your way out. If you have
forgotten your password, delete the .pwl file with your user name (mine
is
ron.pwl); however, be aware that you will lose all passwords stored in
the
..pwl file. If you do not have a password established or have deleted
the
..pwl file, when the W95/98 logon screen appears at boot, type a user
name
only and hit OK. If the logon screen continues to appear and you have
Tweak
UI installed, go to the Paranoia tab and remove the mark from "clear
last
user."


--
Regards


Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98
Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
Knowledge Base Info:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo



"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
Boot to Safe Mode
Open Device Manager
Remove ALL Keyboard and Mouse entries
Remove ALL entries in the 'Other Devices' Branch (if present)
Remove ALL error-flagged entries
Boot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall the drivers, hopefully
curing
your problem

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
NG's
"Bryan P" Bryan wrote in message
news Gateway Neo recovery disks used to re-install W98SE. No problems with
setup.
When it gets to the password window after the instal I have no mouse
or
keybd
control. It will boot in Safe Mode OK. Keybd and mouse control all
OK.
So if I can have help in bypassing the Passwd window or some other
fix,
that
would be great. Tks in anticipation.

If you have run through the Intel tests then I would agree it's not likely a
legacy support issue.

Do you know that USB is working on this machine? Is USB getting loaded in
safe mode, and can you test it?
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Bryan P" wrote in message
...
I've read your responses. Tks. I haven't checked BIOS yet (it's a
neighbour's
PC), but reading the Intel link provided by Jeff, I can do all the things
it
says may not work if there is a legacy prob. Also even though I've removed
all refs to keyboard and mouse in device manager (in safe mode) I've still
got control if I boot in safe mode again, and of course I can't re-install
that hardware in safe mode. And also re-installing from scratch with the
recovery disk still gives the same problem.
But I will check that legacy is enabled in BIOS.

You have two assumptions - USB is getting detected properly, and USB drivers
are loading properly.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
No it won't - USB is detected and drivers are loaded in the default
configuration, and as such are not dependent on the Legacy settings -
besides which he's uninstalled/reinstalled the mouse and keyboard in this
configuration.

Jeff -
THE KEYBOARD AND MOUSE BOTH WORK IN SAFE MODE!!!
therefore the USB works - but there is some factor inhibiting its effective
use in normal mode.
Please read what the poster has written, rather than attempting to support
incorrect assumptions

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
"Jeff Richards" wrote in message
...
You have two assumptions - USB is getting detected properly, and USB
drivers are loading properly.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
No it won't - USB is detected and drivers are loaded in the default
configuration, and as such are not dependent on the Legacy settings -
besides which he's uninstalled/reinstalled the mouse and keyboard in this
configuration.

I can only think that the driver files themselves have been corrupted, and
that you need to force a new driver set into the system.
I suggest that you download updated drivers from the manufacturer's website,
and install them (hopefully, you'll be able to do so while in Safe Mode),
and then reboot. to normal mode where the system should detect the updated
drivers and fix itself - if not, then reboot to safe mode, and remove the
devices as before, and reboot again.


--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
"Bryan P" wrote in message
...
I've read your responses. Tks. I haven't checked BIOS yet (it's a
neighbour's
PC), but reading the Intel link provided by Jeff, I can do all the things
it
says may not work if there is a legacy prob. Also even though I've removed
all refs to keyboard and mouse in device manager (in safe mode) I've still
got control if I boot in safe mode again, and of course I can't re-install
that hardware in safe mode. And also re-installing from scratch with the
recovery disk still gives the same problem.
But I will check that legacy is enabled in BIOS.

"Noel Paton" wrote:

No it won't - USB is detected and drivers are loaded in the default
configuration, and as such are not dependent on the Legacy settings -
besides which he's uninstalled/reinstalled the mouse and keyboard in this
configuration.

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
"Jeff Richards" wrote in message
...
We are all assuming that OP had legacy support enabled for the install.
We
do not know whether or not the user has retained the legacy setting for
the boot. If not, and if Windows is assuming that the keyboard is
configured as it was for the install, then the boot will fail.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
Jeff
Since the user has mouse/KBD access before logon, the USB must be
switched on - and Legacy only affects DOS/BIOS USB control, not
Windows.

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
NG's
"Jeff Richards" wrote in message
...
What is the setting for legacy keyboard support in BIOS setup?
http://support.intel.com/support/per.../cs-011939.htm
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Bryan P" wrote in message
...
Below is the copy of the response to this problem from a month ago!
I've tried both solutions but still no success. This is an all usb
pc...does that help? Any further assistance would be great. Tks.

And, should Noel's correct solution not work for some reason, try a
work
around by assigning a blank password in safe mode:

Blank Password: Go to control panel, network, primary network logon
and
select Windows Logon. Go to control panel, passwords, user profiles
and
ensure the "all user's" box is marked. If you have a password
established,
go to control panel, passwords, change windows password, type the
password
in the old box, leave the rest blank and OK your way out. If you
have
forgotten your password, delete the .pwl file with your user name
(mine
is
ron.pwl); however, be aware that you will lose all passwords stored
in
the
..pwl file. If you do not have a password established or have
deleted
the
..pwl file, when the W95/98 logon screen appears at boot, type a
user
name
only and hit OK. If the logon screen continues to appear and you
have
Tweak
UI installed, go to the Paranoia tab and remove the mark from "clear
last
user."


--
Regards


Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98
Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
Knowledge Base Info:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo



"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
Boot to Safe Mode
Open Device Manager
Remove ALL Keyboard and Mouse entries
Remove ALL entries in the 'Other Devices' Branch (if present)
Remove ALL error-flagged entries
Boot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall the drivers, hopefully
curing
your problem

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages
to
NG's
"Bryan P" Bryan wrote in message
news Gateway Neo recovery disks used to re-install W98SE. No problems
with
setup.
When it gets to the password window after the instal I have no
mouse
or
keybd
control. It will boot in Safe Mode OK. Keybd and mouse control all
OK.
So if I can have help in bypassing the Passwd window or some other
fix,
that
would be great. Tks in anticipation.